US claims Iranian missile accidentally downed Ukrainian jet

According to the US it wasn’t an unfortunate coincidence that a jet crashed in Iran just after a missile attack on US bases in Iraq. They claim a Iranian missile accidentally brought the Ukrainian plane down, killing 176 people.

But a news post making the claim may have been taken down.

RNZ:  Iran ‘mistakenly shot down Ukraine jet’ – US media

US officials say they believe the Ukrainian International Airlines Boeing 737-800 was hit by a missile, CBS says.

Ukraine earlier said it was examining whether a missile strike brought down the aircraft – but Iran ruled this out.

The crash came just hours after Iran carried out missile strikes on two airbases housing US forces in Iraq.

CBS News quoting US intelligence said a satellite detected infrared “blips” of two missile launches, followed by another blip of an explosion.

More to come…

CBS News – Special Report: U.S. officials believe Iran shot down Ukrainian passenger jet

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More will no doubt be reported during our day.

If the report is accurate (it sounds feasible) it demonstrates that in war zones accidental and civilian deaths are unfortunately a real risk. I think that flying anywhere near Iran or Iraq is best avoided, especially right now.

Meanwhile U.S., Iran ease conflict fears but threats keep crisis rolling

Iran spurned the U.S. president’s call for a new nuclear pact and its commanders threatened more attacks as the Middle East remained on edge following the U.S. killing of an Iranian general and Tehran’s retaliatory missile strikes.

Concern the war-scarred region was primed for a wider conflict eased after U.S President Donald Trump refrained from ordering more military action and Iran’s foreign minister diplomat said missile strikes “concluded” Tehran’s response.

But each side’s next move in their protracted shadow war was uncertain. Iranian generals resumed their habitual barrage of warnings to Washington and Trump said new sanctions were being imposed, as his Democratic rivals criticized his handling of the crisis.

Also:

  • Trump says he has approved increased U.S. sanctions on Iran
    “It’s already been done. We’ve increased them. They were very severe, but now it’s increased substantially,” Trump told reporters at the White House. “I just approved it a little while ago with Treasury.

  • Pelosi does not believe Soleimani strike made the U.S. safer
    “I do not believe in terms of what is in the public domain that they have made the country safer by what they did,” she said at her weekly news conference, hours before the House is due to vote on a war powers resolution intended to prevent Trump from waging war against Iran without congressional approval.

 

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  1. David

     /  10th January 2020

    You have to wonder why the airport was open for flights while missiles were being flung around. Sirens wailing, missiles whooshing, an unknown response from the people who brought us “shock and awe” and its the middle of the night…I dont think I would have boarded to be honest.
    What do you think the demand is for a flight between Tehran and Ukraine is.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  10th January 2020

      Apparently it was the cheapest Iran – Canada route for international students who couldn’t transit the US.

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  2. Gezza

     /  10th January 2020

    The US has every incentive to claim it was accidentally shot down & Iran has every incentive to deny it.

    Trump has already told reporters he has his suspicions, implying he believes the reports to be true.

    The reporting on this is patchy – Reuters & CBS are referring to unnamed US officials & seem to be the sources cited by other news outlets. So far I gather the Pentagon has declined to comment officially.

    I gather the crash occured after the Iranian missile launch had taken place, when it was likely the Iranian military was on hair-trigger alert anticipating an immediate US retaliation. Unfortunately the likelihood this is what happened has been a distinct possibility from the outset.

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    • Gezza

       /  10th January 2020

      The BBC is citing separate reports by CBS & Newsweek:
      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51055219

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      • Duker

         /  10th January 2020

        Cluster fuck news … where they cite previous vague or unsubstantiated stories.
        You are very prone to being on the roller coaster of facts which are changed in few days by quoting these things

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        • Gezza

           /  10th January 2020

          I’m skeptical about all of the reporting & everything said by everyone at the moment. It bothers me that the few intelligence sources referred to are unnamed leakers, & not official sources who’ve released checkable evidence. But it also bothers me that the crash even occurred at the time & in the circumstances that it did. What are the odds a 737-800 with an engine fire that onboard systems should cope with & that crews are trained to fly & land on one engine would go down in flames like this after Iran has just launched a missile strike on Iraqi bases with US troops?

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          • Duker

             /  10th January 2020

            Yes . I realise and appreciate that. Theres a certain type of US acolyte that takes in all the BS with a certain fervor.. some are well known here…they are supposed to follow a libertarian bent but just love big government run by Trump.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  10th January 2020

              Are you trying to say I was right again, duker?

    • Blazer

       /  10th January 2020

      I would not expect Trump to imply in a situation like this.

      I would expect him to be very blunt.

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  3. Gezza

     /  10th January 2020

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says Canada has received intelligence indicating an Iranian missile shot down the Ukraine International Airlines flight full of Canadians that crashed near Tehran Wednesday, killing all 176 on board.

    “We have intelligence from multiple sources including our allies and our own intelligence: the evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by an Iranian surface-to-air missile,” he told reporters in Ottawa Thursday.

    “This may well have been unintentional,” he added.

    Mr. Trudeau said this information “reinforces the need for a thorough investigation into this matter.”
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/us-politics/article-ukraine-plane-shot-down-by-iranian-missile-trudeau-says/

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  4. NOEL

     /  10th January 2020

    I though there was a claim that a defence missile system whose radar very briefly lit up around that time. Probably picked up by a US system. Extrapolated by the media to a shoot down.
    I’ll wait for the Canadian report.

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    • Duker

       /  10th January 2020

      Wont be a ‘canadian’ report . The place where the crash occurred -when on land-does the formal report, often in concert with the country of the airline which is Ukraine

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  5. Duker

     /  10th January 2020

    Missiles leave a visible burning trail from the rocket motor…we have video of the plane coming down but no reports of a rocket launch from people in the area. At that altitude to hit a plane it would be visible to many in the night sky.
    Another alternative is a Chechen terrorist attack using smaller shoulder launched missiles – not so visible. Back in November Ukraine arrested a Chechen who was a so called ISIS ‘Deputy Minister of War’ who was living in Kiev ( he was tracked down by CIA). That would be the connection to the Ukrainian airliner ‘chosen’.
    The other option is this is a disinformation from the US – its in their interests to spread malicious rumors- if it was really a US GE engine issue on a Boeing plane.

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    • David

       /  10th January 2020

      It was shot down in Tehran so probably a bit of a hike for a Chechen rebel. There appears to be a video now of the missile, very few seem to be in doubt it was a stuff up by the Iranians..or.. the conspiracy theorists might suggest the Iranians shot the plane down and were hoping to blame it on Trump.
      So far the Iranians have 176 dead from accidentally shooting down a plane and another 60 odd trampled at the show funeral, probably we should stop worrying about these muppets starting WW3 but perhaps should renew efforts to halt their nuclear program just in case they accidentally bury the ME under a mushroom cloud. Total circus.

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      • Duker

         /  10th January 2020

        “It was shot down in Tehran so probably a bit of a hike for a Chechen rebel.”

        Chechens are muslims, some have deep connections to ISIS , which is Irans enemy too
        Georgians of Chechen ethnicity were amoung the top commanders of ISIS. Chechens and ISIS would have access to shoulder launched ex Russian missiles.

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    • Pink David

       /  10th January 2020

      “its in their interests to spread malicious rumors- if it was really a US GE engine issue on a Boeing plane.”

      How is that in US interest?

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      • Duker

         /  10th January 2020

        Boeing is in big troubles over its 737 with one version grounded. They need diversion away from possible faults in a plane
        . Its unlikely its a Boeing issue , more the GE engine and of course the quality of maintenance. Even Air NZ had a period of poor maintenance under Briefly ownership/control when things fell off in flight.
        The mere fact that Trump is making hay out of it, indicates they are using it for their own interests.

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        • Pink David

           /  10th January 2020

          “They need diversion away from possible faults in a plane”

          There are hundreds of 737 flying over the US. If there are possible faults with the plane causing them to crash it is in the US’s interest to discover this and deal with it.

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          • Duker

             /  10th January 2020

            Really ? Crashes out the 737 happen all the time outside Europe and North America, causes are pilot error and maintenance. US or Boeing cant really do anything about those either.
            The Max is a different matter, Boeing doesnt need the publicity after its slack design and certification process.

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    • Gezza

       /  10th January 2020

      The video David refers to is shown in this article. Nobody reporting it seems to have identified the source yet.

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7870409/Video-appears-surface-air-missile-hitting-Ukrainian-plane-moments-crashed.html

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      • Gezza

         /  10th January 2020

        Full video now also shown here on Stuff.co: it appears to be a longer version of the same video shown previously of the plane going down & crashing. The apparent missile strike is right at the beginning. Best watched full screen.

        https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/118699540/ukraine-investigators-considering-possibility-missile-brought-down-passenger-plane-in-iran

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        • Gezza

           /  10th January 2020

          NB: I say “appears to be – but it’s a simple matter to put different video clips together in one movie. That may have been done here.

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          • Gezza

             /  10th January 2020

            Yeah … looks like 2 or 3 different video clips at least.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  10th January 2020

              The first video I saw on the night it happened was reportedly filmed by a student. It showed a light moving across the sky until it suddenly flared in the distance and within a few seconds hit the ground in a huge fireball.

            • Gezza

               /  10th January 2020

              Was it this one? Embedded in a stuff story yesterday. A longer clip than any I’ve seen before. Those others we’re seeing could be edited – this one seems less likely to be.

            • Gezza

               /  10th January 2020

              Yes, it looks like only the last 7-8 seconds of that 34 second clip have been spliced into Stuff’s video sequence above.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  10th January 2020

              Yes it was that one but I didn’t notice then the faint trace of a missile coming up from the right to the midair explosion. If that’s unedited and genuine its conclusive.

            • Gezza

               /  10th January 2020

              I’m not sure that that last light at the right is a missile: It could be a plane, there were others still flying. Stuff’s 3rd video in their sequence has audio, they’re obviously looking for it, with only a shaky glimpse at the end of the burning airliner & the crash explosion. The audio has 2 echoing explosions ;1 at the start & another 5 or 6 seconds later, followed by a final loud retort at about 29 or 30 seconds in, which follows a few secs after the video vision of the crash explosion & seems consistent with their apparent distance.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  10th January 2020

          That could be a searchlight. One 35km away from where I lived was seen moving across the sky. It looked like a UFO because the beam wasn’t visible. No one could work out what it was. It proved to be a spotlight or searchlight or whatever they are called at a sportsfield.

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  6. Pink David

     /  10th January 2020

    Rumor is it was an SA-15 missile that took it down.

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  7. duperez

     /  10th January 2020

    On Thursday RNZ had some ‘aviation expert’ on who talked from his experience about possibilities and the likelihood of a sudden catastrophic explosion. According to him some failure in one engine would not cause what he had seen in footage. The suddenness and degree of the incident meant there was no reaction time at all for the flight staff. In a ‘normal’ mechanical failure there would have been. He considered the most likely scenario was a missile or some device on board the plane.

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    • Duker

       /  10th January 2020

      Missile hit on one engine isnt a big problem at low altitude either . The plane can fly on one engine.
      Plenty of examples of engine failure ,while on ground, leading to major blaze

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  10th January 2020

        Give it up, duker. The whole world now knows it was shot down except you.

        No doubt those in Iran below a high rank with direct knowledge of culpability have now been quietly and permanently silenced.

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  8. Corky

     /  10th January 2020

    Now some media are blaming Trump for the airliner allegedly being shot down. They believe Trumps actions ultimately lead to this situation. If we want to continue this line of logic, we can blame everything on everybody. Interesting how the thought processes of liberal media works.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  10th January 2020

      I was wondering how long that would take when I made my first comment about it. And they’ll blame him for the 50 odd crushed in the crowd mourning Soleimani too.

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    • Duker

       /  11th January 2020

      Have you seen the ‘thought process’ of the right wing media/commentators ….thats right thats where you get your ideas from like a trumpanzee that you are.
      Remmeber all the outrage when Obama drew a red line and then refused to act, Trump drew a red line on retaliation and then refused to act. Yet the Trumpanzees love it

      Now Guiliani is claiming that impeachment is unconstitutional and it all should go away as ‘its only crimes against the constitution’ and surely the Supreme court can rule it as invalid…or something

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  11th January 2020

        Trump drew a red line and Iran stayed inside it. Trump killed 5 enemies, Iran killed 232 of its own. Score to date: Trump 237, Iran and Left 0. Better watch out for those red lines, eh?

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        • Duker

           /  11th January 2020

          Red line isnt about ‘counting ‘. The idea that the missile barrage doesnt count is trumpanzee arithmetic. The US intell had a good idea that day was the when retaliation would happen ,and then their satellites picked up the missile launches Iran had forewarned the Iraqi government by about an hour, ( which US would have heard about as well)so that at the bases , the troops were in protection bunkers. Even US military say its not design by Iran there were no casualties.
          There really wasnt any choice the US had but not take this further, as they are completely exposed right along Irans borders.
          Trump was just virtue signalling about retaliation and now ‘winning the game’

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  11th January 2020

            Actually, score was imprecise. Should be:

            Trump 5
            Iran -232
            Left 0

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            • Duker

               /  11th January 2020

              I have a list of 52 sites that were supposed to be hit HARD….
              What about that number…?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  11th January 2020

              That’s waiting for the next round, duker. But Khamanei is worried that one of them is his bunker.

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  10. Gezza

     /  11th January 2020

    AlJazeera TV: Breaking News
    Iran has admitted on Iranian State TV that it unintentionally shot down the Ukraninian airliner, that it was a mistake, due to human error, & that the Revolutionary Guard has been asked to explain to the Iranian public what happened.

    Waiting for other sources to confirm.

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  11. Pink David

     /  12th January 2020

    Shooting down this airliner may very well bring down the regime. Interesting times..

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