Open Forum – 11 January

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  1. Corky

     /  11th January 2020

    Quiet on the gun buy-back front. It will be interesting to observe the first law abiding gun owner hauled before the courts to ultimately become a martyr. This government has much to answer for. And they will at the next election. I predict many Labour cronies will throw the towel in and leave politics to embed themselves in some woke quango that pays handsomely out of the government coffers.

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    • Duker

       /  11th January 2020

      How can you be law abiding when the possession of a rifle with magazine capacity of 10 or more is illegal.
      The law abiding gun owners were the 50,000 or so who were part of the buyback , as well as the 4000 or so who had their rifles modified at government expense.
      With the other law changes the police can now easily track the gun owners who were buying guns privately and on selling to the gangs and crims, as there was no records kept previously.
      As for MPs leaving …. its been the Nats including Amy Adams and her coterie of supporters who leaving the sinking ship

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      • Ray

         /  11th January 2020

        Today’s ODT reports that a senior Dunedin policeman faces court for amongst other things possession of a Ruger rifle while not having a license.
        It will be interesting to see what he gets,

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      • NOEL

         /  11th January 2020

        Was wondering if those Mitre 10 plastic pipe and end cap sales that increased markedly when the law was changed will be dug up and the contents quietly disposed of?

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        • Corky

           /  11th January 2020

          The sooner they are dug up the better, Noel. I’m guessing in their haste to hide their guns many owners may have forgotten to add silica gel packs to absorb moisture. Still a better way than the old way of coating a gun in grease and wrapping oilskin around it.

          I wonder if worst comes to worst, the police will check gun owners properties with portable ground sonars and metal detectors? Nothing would surprise me.

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          • Duker

             /  11th January 2020

            No they wont. The people with banned guns would be the ‘break the law when they can ‘ type . Speeding, drink driving, domestic violence, no hunting license etc. Not big crimes but far far from ‘law abiding’ …. Corky probably has a trail of convictions over his long life , maybe even unpaid debts too boot.

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          • Corky

             /  11th January 2020

            ”The people with banned guns would be the ‘break the law when they can ‘ type”

            Shows how little you know about law abiding gun owners.

            ”Speeding, drink driving, domestic violence, no hunting license etc. Not big crimes but far far from ‘law abiding’ ”

            Those are big crimes to me. They should be punished severely. But they aren’t. Law abiding gun owners are.

            ”Corky probably has a trail of convictions over his long life , maybe even unpaid debts too boot.”

            Freudian slip coupled with projection….it always catches a Lefty out.

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            • Duke

               /  11th January 2020

              Diverting by you …. give us a number so we can judge your law abiding-ness.
              Its you that has long had this fascination with the phrase ‘law abiding’- but of course you arent … dont need Freud to tell us that.

      • Corky

         /  11th January 2020

        ”How can you be law abiding when the possession of a rifle with magazine capacity of 10 or more is illegal”

        That’s where we part company, both intellectually and morally.

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        • Duker

           /  11th January 2020

          Thats the law now. All bolt action , lever action and semi automatics .22 and up with capacity to fit a large magazine more than 10 are banned with heavy penalties. It was voted for by all Mps bar 1.
          Virtue signalling your moral superiority are you. All guns , except air pistols, have been long been regulated in NZ , so absence of intellect to claim otherwise. This isnt the US where the Supreme Court says only small hand guns are a ‘right to own’.

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          • Corky

             /  11th January 2020

            ”Virtue signalling your moral superiority are you?’

            You have a penchant to not understand what is written..to twist comments to your liking. As a Lefty you should know morality is in the eye of the beholder.

            I said:

            ”That’s where we part company, both intellectually and morally.”

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          • Corky

             /  11th January 2020

            Might pay to have another look at airguns.

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  2. “I have concluded that, if the Senate issues a subpoena for my testimony, I am prepared to testify”.

    http://www.boltonpac.com/2020/01/statement-of-john-r-bolton/

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  3. Iran was targeting four US embassies, says Trump

    Iran was planning attacks on four US embassies when its top general was killed, President Donald Trump says.

    When asked what threat led to last Friday’s US drone strike, he told Fox News: “I can reveal that I believe it probably would’ve been four embassies.”

    But Democrats given intelligence briefings on the fatal strike say they have seen no evidence of embassy plots.

    What evidence is there?
    Mr Trump referred to the US embassy protests as evidence of an imminent Iranian plot. However, those protests had ended by the time the US launched a drone attack on Soleimani’s motorcade at the Baghdad airport.

    House Armed Services committee chairman Adam Smith, a Democrat, said there was “no evidence” of a future Iranian bombing attack on a US embassy presented during a classified White House briefing given to lawmakers on Wednesday.

    “Nobody that I’ve talked to in any setting, and I’ve talked to quite a few people in the White House, has said that,” he told Politico.

    “It has been communicated to me that there weren’t specific targets, that the intel that we had did not cite specific targets, just more of a broad thing,” he said.

    “So if the president had evidence of the specific target, that has not been communicated to us.”

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51068560

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    • duperez

       /  11th January 2020

      When Trump said, “I can reveal that I believe it probably would’ve been four embassies” was there the same certainty in his voice, the same steadfastness of demeanour and deportment we got with all the Weapons of Mass Destruction announcements?

      When he said those words did they travel through the same paths which brought us the famous “Fake News” decrees as well as the multitudinous example of patent falsehoods?

      For all the efforts we hear about in constructing their constitution, what it could achieve, it’s intent and it’s sanctity, there seem to be no sections or amendments specifically covering in modern parlance some of the possibilities.

      Like: “What if a child with serious deficiencies gets to be President and surrounds himself with war-mongers and f’wits.”

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      • Pink David

         /  11th January 2020

        “What if a child with serious deficiencies gets to be President and surrounds himself with war-mongers and f’wits.”

        Hillary didn’t win.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  11th January 2020

      Really hoping this useless Government will do something to make NZ richer instead of poorer. Second best option is they do nothing until they can be kicked out.

      Achievements to date: higher rents, higher house prices, more homeless, more child poverty, worse healthcare, worse education, more crime.

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      • duperez

         /  11th January 2020

        Of course they will be kicked out. It wouldn’t be for there being higher rents and higher house prices would it? Surely under every administration there have been higher rents and higher prices.

        I’m sure that challenges could be made about the other claims too. From October 2017 to January 2020 there is ‘worse education.’ Please tell us more about that one.

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          • duperez

             /  11th January 2020

            Thanks. At least you weren’t just plucking a comment out of the air, you were basing your view on stuff in the media. Stuff which demands a, “Yes, but what does it mean?’ sort of approach.

            Start with the secondary school evidence. In 2015 the PISA exercise tested 15 year olds in 2018. Are you seriously suggesting that “this useless Government” is the cause of less than ideal results in that test? Kids who started school in 2007-08 who were advantaged by the great National Standards regime underperformed in tests less than a year into the reign of the new lot?

            University rankings? The Times Higher Education scale has Auckland not in the top 200 while the QS ranking has Auckland at 85. Up or down places as an indicator the wheels are falling off or well attached and turning? I see the Times one already has its 2020 list up with Auckland 179th. Is that down to the current Government?

            The measures are arbitrary. QS says its rankings are ‘based on objective and robust indicators to rank’ like 10% of ranking points are on “Quality of Faculty, measured by the number of academics who have won major international awards, prizes, and medals. One person in Auckland wins an award and the quality of the university shoots up and we all pat ourselves on the back? And the next year no-one does and we say a ‘useless Government’ is responsible for ‘worse education.’

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  11th January 2020

              Ok on the Times update tho last year the uni said the problem was insufficient funding and would continue. Maybe Brexit fever has hit Europe worse since. The OECD secondary rankings have been trending down for some time.

      • Blazer

         /  11th January 2020

        9 years of neglect and borrowing to deal with Al.
        Prior admin growth/properity =all smoke and mirrors.Hopeless.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  11th January 2020

          9 years of bitching and sniping from the Left followed by abject failure when Winston put them in.power.

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          • Duker

             /  11th January 2020

            National was put in power by it’s troika of poodles, Dunne, Seymour and the Maori party.

            Since MMP , no party has had an outright majority , it seems it’s news to you.
            And before you start , in Australia Labour is the ‘largest party’ …if you want to go there. Even UK has had governments which haven’t included the largest party. Even before MMP national on occasion was the government despite not having the largest number of votes.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  11th January 2020

              Don’t be embarrassed, Duker. Only Key had the balls to rule out working with Winston. Better people than Jacinda tried and failed.

          • Blazer

             /  11th January 2020

            as you know [deleted] had 3 years to reform the RMA..and couldn’t be..arsed..sorry about that Chief!

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  11th January 2020

              You are just a Lefty robot spouting exactly the same nonsense every time your button is pressed, B.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  13th January 2020

              Press Button B and a shower of ? comes out….

    • Corky

       /  11th January 2020

      ”Some very interesting figures here that show people on benefits aren’t frittering their money away.”

      Let’s forget about beanies for a moment and go upmarket to the middleclass. If beanies aren’t fritting their money away, then the middleclass with their generally better education and
      knowledge of how the world operates should on average be better economic managers than beanies.

      It ain’t so. Middle Class card debt is rife. Mortgage sales and bankruptcy common. Middle Class folk moving to poorer areas as they slide down the ladder is common.

      Yet we are to believe beanies aren’t frittering away their money? The majority of beanies I know; and I know many, don’t have a clue about budgeting. They are of the`firm belief money was made for spending

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  11th January 2020

        Mortgagee sales went down in numbers last decade, with 2018 having 249.

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        • Blazer

           /  15th January 2020

          they changed the way they deal with them.
          The banks used to have bulk mortgagee sales,then realised they sent the wrong message.
          Refinancing where possible and dealing with them on an individual basis resulted in lower stats.

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  11th January 2020

    WOW PG you are TRULY the voice of FREE SPEECH,COUGH COUGH

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  6. Duker

     /  11th January 2020

    Terrorism police list Extinction Rebellion as extremist ideology

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/10/xr-extinction-rebellion-listed-extremist-ideology-police-prevent-scheme-guidance
    “The climate emergency campaign group was included in a 12-page guide produced by counter-terrorism police in the south-east titled Safeguarding young people and adults from ideological extremism,”

    No surprise there

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    • Corky

       /  11th January 2020

      Finally, some official body that realises these people are nutters. These types are protesting in Aussie at the moment while their country burns. Not for them raising money; helping burnt animals and supporting bone tired fireman.

      Never let raging bushfires get in the way of a good protest, huh?

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  7. Corky

     /  11th January 2020

    Fush shop owner both a hypocrite and virtue signaller. This received fair comment on talkback with callers split roughly 50/50.

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/fish-and-chip-shop-owner-disappointed-watties-offensive-ad-campaign

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  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  12th January 2020

    I was right about the RG losing a power struggle. People and students mass anger in Irsn. Telegraph reports (paywalled):

    The surging anger over the crash and the days of false denials comes at a sensitive moment in Iran and just weeks after the regime’s forces killed hundreds of civilians while crushing nationwide protests.

    Ayatollah Ali Khamenei tried to distance himself from blame
    Ayatollah Ali Khamenei tried to distance himself from blame CREDIT: IRANIAN SUPREME LEADER PRESS OFFICE / HANDOUT/ANADOLU AGENCY VIA GETTY IMAGES
    Khamenei quickly insisted he was not responsible for misleading the public about the real cause of the Ukraine crash and moved to place the blame on the military in an attempt to shield himself from responsibility.

    “As soon as the supreme leader was informed of the catastrophic mistake” he ordered the truth to be “made known to the people explicitly and honestly,” the semi-official Fars news agency reported.

    In an official statement on his website, he ordered the military to address “shortcomings” and expressed “sincere condolences” but stopped short of apologising for the crash.

    There were indications that the relatively moderate circle around Hassan Rouhani, Iran’s president, was also seizing the moment to push blame towards its hardline rivals inside the Revolutionary Guard.

    Hesamedin Ashena, an advisor to Mr Rouhani, said the Revolutionary Guard had “cheated” the public by denying its involvement in Wednesday’s disaster.

    “What they regarded as news was a lie. What they regarded as a lie was actually the news,” he said. “May god save us from cover ups.”

    The anger directed towards the Revolutionary Guard marked a sharp reversal from earlier in the week, when an estimated million people turned out to the public funeral of Qassim Soleimani, one of the force’s top leaders, and many celebrated Iran’s missile barrage against the US.

    General Amir Ali Hajizadeh, the same commander who triumphantly took credit for the missile attack on US forces in Iraq on Wednesday, appeared looking forlorn in front of state television cameras yesterday to take responsibility for his men’s mistake.

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    • Gezza

       /  12th January 2020

      Al Jazeera tv reports that a vigil by students outside a university in Tehran has turned into an angry protest with students chanting anti-government slogans like “IRGC out, out”, & even calling for Khamenei to resign.

      Some Iranians have reportedly also taken to social media, furious that they were lied to for two days because that General who appeared on tv to take responsibility for the mistake said he had informed his superiors on in the immediate aftermath on Wednesday of what had happened.

      It remains to be seen how extensive the protests become & how long this sentiment is allowed to be expressed, but it must be causing major ructions within the government.

      A Ukrainian security official reported on the BBC website says in a video that it was obvious from the wreckage seen by their investigators on the ground that a missile had exploded below the cockpit & probably killed the crew. It was impossible for any cover up to succeed.

      https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-51077352/iran-plane-crash-missile-struck-underneath-cockpit-ukraine

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      • Gezza

         /  12th January 2020

        AlJazeera & other news outlets say that Iranian police dispersed the students who were protesting in Tehran. The Iranian Fars news agency said the protesting students chanted “destructive” and “radical” slogans.

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        • Gezza

           /  12th January 2020

          The UK’s ambassador has been arrested in Tehran, but was later released.

          “Macaire was said to have been one of a number of individuals held on suspicion of organising, provoking and directing radical actions.

          It is understood that Macaire had been attending what had been billed as a vigil for the victims of the crash. However the event quickly turned into a demonstration at which point Macaire left.

          It was as he was returning to the British embassy that he was arrested – although it is not clear who he was held by.”

          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/11/british-ambassador-arrested-at-demonstration-in-tehran-reports

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      • Duker

         /  12th January 2020

        ” furious that they were lied to for two days”

        Please ..no one creates a demonstration over being lied to by the government over a plane crash …or anything.
        A minister of roads had previously said that it was scientifically impossible for it to be a missile shootdown… as though he would know anything.

        As for the Ambassador , maybe he was there with the crowds for a contact with with an agent ..just the thing when there is any confusion, but not what you would think an Ambassador would stoop to.

        As for the Ambassador’s bio
        https://www.gov.uk/government/people/rob-macaire
        “Prior to joining the FCO, Rob worked at the Ministry of Defence and also recently worked in the private sector as Director of Government/Public Affairs and Political Risk at BG Group plc. ”
        Red flags for undercover and or MI6 work

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        • Pink David

           /  13th January 2020

          “Red flags for undercover and or MI6 work”

          You really are a regular Inspector Clouseau.

          Did you also know he spent a lot of time on the Orient Express, and we all know what that means…

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          • Duker

             /  13th January 2020

            hehehe…you really dont know much about how security agencies work, an embassy is ground zero for a countries spying work. While US embassy in NZ can reliy on reliable sources like David Farrar to pass on ‘truth and gossip’, -he wouldnt be the only one here- not so easy in Teheran where the hangman awaits any loose lips

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  9. Blazer

     /  12th January 2020

    ‘“What they regarded as news was a lie. What they regarded as a lie was actually the news,” he said. “May god save us from cover ups.”

    Doonald’s operating manual must have fallen into…their hands!

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  10. Alan Wilkinson

     /  12th January 2020

    Another interesting article in the Telegraph, also paywalled, about Cummings wanting to stimulate UK R&D radically:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/01/11/welcome-dominic-cummings-dream-factory-failure-can-pave-way/

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  11. Zedd

     /  12th January 2020

    ‘Ex Machina’ (preview)

    I watched this on MaoriTV last evening, echoes of I-Robot; man being surpassed by ‘Ms A.I.’

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  12. Corky

     /  13th January 2020

    As long as the only life found in our solar system is microscopic we will be alright. Anything with two protuberances for standing on will cause mass panic on earth. Religious folk,
    pompous scientists, atheists and people who have only ever thought about what sports fixture is on Saturday we be running around like headless chooks.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12299751

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12298451&&ref=recommended

    But should we be afraid??!

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  13. Corky

     /  13th January 2020

    While religious education is to become an ‘opt-in’ activity at states schools, the states official religion – climate change – will not. Yes, climate scammers are ready to indoctrinate kids with quack science and worthless activities. Apparently the government believes many children are ANXIOUS over climate change and how it may affect them. No kids aren’t. The lower socio economic groups don’t know what climate change is. And the wealth are too intelligent to believe this bs. Only the angsty middclass are worried. Little Bree and Chase have no doubt been around mum and dad too long.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/118703882/climate-change-education-resource-to-be-in-schools-in-2020

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  13th January 2020

      Depressing isn’t it? This nonsense will certainly do more harm than good for these kids – and their gullible teachers.

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    • Corky

       /  13th January 2020

      James Shaw was put to the sword of RIGHTEOUSNESS by Sean Plunket over this issue. Poor James was owned. He seemed confused over sea level rises, contradicting himself on a couple of occasions. What a difference a non woke journalist makes to an interview.

      Peter Williams is also back. Mikey soon to follow. Then the final push to get this Marxist government out of our lives will begin.

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      • Corky

         /  13th January 2020

        TV1 talking up climate changed and linking it to Aussie bush fires and gleefully reporting Scomo is having a change of heart about the CC scam.

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        • Zedd

           /  14th January 2020

          what CC scam ?

          oh; the one in your & MrTs imagination… “WAKE UP corky.. your dreaming again !” :/

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      • Blazer

         /  14th January 2020

        Sean [deleted incorrect name] is desperate to stay employed.
        That is quite clear by his transmogrification to wannabe right wing shock jock.

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        • Corky

           /  14th January 2020

          You obviously didn’t hear him when he was with with ZB. Anyway you shouldn’t be worried about Sean…what you need to worry about is this climate change scam coming to an end. Boy, we are going to have some fun with scammers like poor of Zedd above.

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        • Blazer

           /  15th January 2020

          typo…

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  14. Alan Wilkinson

     /  14th January 2020

    The ME is a mess because national boundaries don’t match sectarian boundaries. Iran has been exploiting that:
    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/01/12/iran-middle-eastern-problem-soleimani-figured-out-097350
    The author’s belief that the US can still somehow nation build despite that seems a triumph of hope over experience.

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  15. Alan Wilkinson

     /  15th January 2020

    Our far worse than useless Government continues to make housing more unaffordable and unobtainable every day:
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/01/jacinda_said_theyd_solve_homelessness_in_four_weeks.html

    This is what happens when you elect know-nothing, know-it-all, big mouths to govern a country.

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