Communists and socialists in New Zealand

In the 1970s and 1980s socialism in New Zealand was much more prominent than it is now, especially through links to unions and unionists.

Have socialist ideals fizzled out? Not entirely, some activists promote something similar – somehow getting rid of capitalism and replacing our financial and political systems with something like socialism. But with previously communist countries USSR and China now embracing a lot of capitalism the socialist ideals are more low key and fringe.

Someone at Reddit was Wanting to know about communism in NZ

Does anyone have any links or info for any current communist or socialist parties in NZ ? I’ve done a bit of a search online but keep just finding info about defunct parties and terrible NZ herald articles. Anything specific to the Otago area would be amazing.

One unappreciated response:

I’ll tell you for $15

Another probably wasn’t very helpful:

Both of our major parties have been infiltrated by the Communist Party of China and we are in the process of becoming their puppet state.

Why not start by joining one of those parties?

It was pointed out that the Communist Party of China (if there is such a thing) mustn’t be very socialist these days.

There were some more helpful suggestions:

The International Socialists in Dunedin are pretty active right? Give them a yell. They like protesting.

Also:

Organise Aotearoa aren’t a parliamentary party but are probably one of the more active groups having only just kicked off last year. They do have a Dunedin branch too. Active on social media with their links at the bottom of the page, their twitter follows a lot of their members who are mostly very chatty.

The New Communist Party of Aotearoa is also a thing that exists as of last year but I’m not so familiar with them.

Organise Aotearoa (modern socialist groups seem to avoid using socialist names) explains their aims:

Organise Aotearoa is a new movement for liberation and socialism. We believe that the current political and economic system is rotten to the core. This system is killing our planet, creating massive inequalities, and undermining the tino rangatiratanga of Māori.

I don’t think the tino rangatiratanga of Māori is particularly socialist. Rangatira relates to chieftainship.

If we want to live in a truly just, fair, and democratic world, we need to do things differently. We need a system that puts people and the environment before corporations and their profits. We are fighting for socialism because we need a system that shares wealth and prosperity among all people.

We cannot simply rely on politicians in Parliament to do what’s best for us. Time after time, politicians have made promises and failed to deliver. Even worse, most politicians don’t even try.

It’s hard to see how any meaningful changes will be made to our political system without doing it through Parliament. This is no sign of any popular inclination for revolution in Aotearoa.

And it would probably have major difficulties dealing with the Treaty of Waitangi.

History has shown us that people in power only make the changes we actually need when everyday people get organised and demand them.

That’s why Organise Aotearoa wants to do politics differently. We’re committed to doing politics in a way that enables all of us to transform our living conditions together. We want to build the power of ordinary working people so that our collective needs, desires, dreams, and aspirations can’t be ignored. Together, we can make Aotearoa a more equal and democratic place, where everyone can thrive.

“Ordinary working people” is far from everyone, and it is claimed that socialism tends to discourage people from being working people.

Also r/kiwisocialists “has a list of groups around the country”:

A place for socialists, communists and anarchists to discuss current events and organise within Aotearoa.

But it’s not exactly reaching the masses:

157 Comrades

Communism hasn’t been able to prove it is a workable alternative – it has largely been a big failure – so socialist activism is a fringe idealist activity.

Socialist groups had some connections with the Mana Party (also called the Mana Movement) but that flopped when joining forces with a big capitalist Kim Dotcom and fizzling.

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32 Comments

  1. Blazer

     /  20th January 2020

    Black and White Communism/Socialism is the same as Black and White Capitalism=it does not exist!

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    • There’s a difference though – there are actually still people and groups who promote something like black and white Communism/Socialism (usually by other names these days).

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      • Blazer

         /  20th January 2020

        plenty of people who promote Capitalism,yet would be hard pressed to explain it and where it exists in a remotely pure form.
        Can you?

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        • Capitalism has never existed in anything like a pure form – but I don’t know of anyone who promotes it in a pure form, in contrast to socialism idealists who seem to think pure socialism would somehow fix all the world problems.

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        • Corky

           /  20th January 2020

          George Reisman will explain things in simple terms that you will understand, Blazer.
          But…are you prepared to have you sacred cows…put out to pasture?

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          • Blazer

             /  20th January 2020

            Reisman always makes the case for laissez -faire Capitalism,all good in theory…but it does not …exist anywhere.

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        • Zedd

           /  20th January 2020

          Blzr… Capitalism: ‘Law of the jungle’ same thing; survival of the fittest/GREEDIEST. Grab everything you can & shove everyone else out of the way 😦
          enuf sed

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          • Corky

             /  20th January 2020

            Do you grow your own food, Zedd? I hope so. If not, stay away from the supermarket. That way you won’t be a hypocrite.

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            • Zedd

               /  20th January 2020

              wot-a-load-o-CRAP !

            • Corky

               /  20th January 2020

              ”wot-a-load-o-CRAP !”

              ”Capitalism: ‘Law of the jungle’ same thing; survival of the fittest/GREEDIEST. Grab everything you can & shove everyone else out of the way .”

              I agree.

            • said before.. say it again ‘corky’.. golly GEE you talk some total drivel.. & you think Im ‘on the bong’ too much, what the hell are you on ?

            • Corky

               /  20th January 2020

              Astaxanthin. It puts your stem cells on steroids. Regenerates you.
              New Zealand produces some of the best product in the world, in Nelson.

              Now here’s the clincher…it can cross the blood/ brain barrier and spark those dormant brain cells. Try it…you may then be able to keep up with me. 😃

              https://www.astasupreme.co.nz/about-astaxanthin

  2. duperez

     /  20th January 2020

    Communism is alive and well in New Zealand. Its strongest domicile is in the heads of those who have Ardern as the ‘Commie Princess’ intent on turning New Zealand into a communist dictatorship.

    Ironically, in specifying what Ardren hasn’t done that they claim she said she would, they don’t refer to the lack of improvement in mental health services.

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  3. Corky

     /  20th January 2020

    “Ordinary working people” is far from everyone, and it is claimed that socialism tends to discourage people from being working people.”

    It also goes against the human desire for ownership and self expression.

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    • Blazer

       /  20th January 2020

      debt slavery and adherence to the status quo….some form of..self expression…indeed.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  20th January 2020

        Not really. I own my house outright, so won’t be paying rent to a landlord or landlady for life.

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    • Corky

       /  20th January 2020

      Lurchy, you would have been listening to Peter this morning. Massive support coming in for David. He’s on a roll?

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      • lurcher1948

         /  20th January 2020

        Corky, David Seymour is a leech attached to National Party, the Hon Paul Goldsmith might make a run to remove the dole bludger been given a tempory life,and have Epson as his own, i would, Seymour the party of one, MAGA make act go away…forever
        PS Peter Williams is sounding more stupid than usual, yawn climate change, and dumb OLD knuckle dragging old white wingers, who respond
        _PG i LIVE….please post

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  20th January 2020

          David Seymour is not a leech; he works very hard and puts in very long hours. I know him quite well and have done since he was a twinkle in ACT’s eye and I have a lot of respect for him. If you know how hard he worked and the hours he works, you would not call him a leech.

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          • Blazer

             /  21st January 2020

            works hard doing what exactly?

            Mostly known for DWTS….and was no good at that…either.

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  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  20th January 2020

    Free money is always popular. The label it comes under is irrelevant.

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  5. NOEL

     /  20th January 2020

    “It was pointed out that the Communist Party of China (if there is such a thing) mustn’t be very socialist these days”.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2011/01/03/5-myths-about-the-chinese-communist-party/

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  6. Communism when it reaches its zenith results in death, imprisonment and mass human rights violations. Cases to point to Stalinism, Maos china, modern day China, North Korea. Capitalism is broken but socialism isn’t the key at all, it’s something newer and better than both of these things. Aided by AI hopefully we can find the answer

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  20th January 2020

      I own and have read Marx’s Communist Manifesto. It sounds all right in theory, but doesn’t take human nature into account. Of course, anyone reading it now is benefitting from hindsight.

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  7. Zedd

     /  20th January 2020

    If it wasn’t for some level of ‘socialism’ in much of the western world, there would be NO social welfare system or social housing etc.
    methinks, if the Natl party/Act thought they could, get away with.. they would promote this zero-tolerance to the ‘social safety-net’ in Aotearoa/NZ too

    Its interesting that the most infamous fascist dictator (nnm) of the 20th Century, called his party ‘National SOCIALIST workers party’.
    BUT: Fascism is often seen as the extreme Right; Capitalism to the max
    ‘go figure.. ‘ ? :/

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    • Pink David

       /  20th January 2020

      The Nazi’s had no interest in capitalism, that was the realm of the Jews.

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      • Zedd

         /  20th January 2020

        ‘The Nazi’s had no interest in capitalism,’ sez Pink D

        What about the reported statement ‘Today Germany.. tomorrow the WORLD !!’

        btw: I think MrT has his head in a similar space :/

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