Open Forum – 27 January

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  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  27th January 2020

    TDS outbreak rampant in Welly. Phil Quin reveals possible genetic susceptibility:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/119041107/why-kiwis-are-hooked-on-donald-trump-and-the-us-election

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    • duperez

       /  27th January 2020

      I was a little surprised Phil Quin didn’t go into the background detail of how his mum’s feelings about Trump were based on the specific knowledge she has.

      On some New Zealand sites I’ve so much detailed information about things like what some guy said on to some other guy on August 23rd in some town in Russia and what happened two days later in an exchange in Washington … And what it all meant.

      The hundreds, maybe thousands of Americans running round for years trying to uncover who did what, when, with whom and what happened next have spent their time looking in the wrong places. The USA, Ukraine, Russia, internet? Hell, they should all have got on planes and headed down here.

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  2. Corky

     /  27th January 2020

    All you really need to know about TDS and why it’s happening. I listened to a radio interview the other day, and the first thing the host said regarding Trump was: ”he really needs to go,,surely?”

    Some not so good tidings for our government in that piece.

    I also see in the photo young Neve knows Peeni Henare is destined for the scrap heap at the next election.😃

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    • Duker

       /  27th January 2020

      It baffles me too, we have TV news with 2 minute loooong segments , when the detail goes way over the top of the head of locals. Thats way too much info for people who dont get a vote in US election.
      Every night now before the news starts in the Dukey household ( not HRH) we have a look
      which which means NO we dont want to watch Trumps impeachment , Weinsteins trial, Meghan everything, so its a switch over to Mysteries at the Museum which in a quirky way is far more informative than what is fed up as news.

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      • David

         /  27th January 2020

        I gave up the TV news some years ago, feel better for it too and dont think I have missed anything.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  27th January 2020

          I feel guilty if I don’t, as my late husband was very well informed about politics and other things and I am so used to watching the news that it’s hard to imagine not doing so although I don’t have his background information about many things.

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          • David

             /  27th January 2020

            I used to think so too but I now go looking for news rather than having some producer from TV telling me what I should and shouldnt know and how I should think about something.
            You know the news isnt going to tell you anything positive about the US at the moment, that they will very rarely criticize pharmac, Brexit is terrible, Merkel is wonderful and on and on and on. Trump just signed off paid parental leave, first time ever in the US. There is a positive side to Brexit and Europe is in awful shape. Merkel voted against gay marriage a few years ago.
            Its often the stuff they dont report on that is newsworthy, just news that doesnt fit the narrative.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  29th January 2020

              They don’t criticise Pharmac but do show both sides about why drugs are not being subsidised.

              The other things are shown objectively; I haven’t seen Brexit denounced and Merkel praised. We just see what’s happening and hear different opinions

              Paid parental leave (well, parental leave, anyway) has been in existence in the US for some time, but it’s at the whim of fhe employer and isn’t very generous as I remember. Nor is their annual leave generally as good as it is elsewhere.

  3. Alan Wilkinson

     /  27th January 2020

    Another weekend of road deaths and, around here at least, awful driving from tourists. Four instances we’ve seen of just stopping suddenly in stupid places. In the middle of an intersection, on a blind bend, in the middle of a straight road, doing a u-turn in a campervan immediately below a blind bend/hill. How do these people get to have a licence?

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  4. Corky

     /  27th January 2020

    I’m sorry minister. You have no choice. Either benefit rates increase, or your government is shown the door. Maori and Welfare…the toxic duo waiting to take Labour out.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/01/social-development-minister-carmel-sepuloni-not-ruling-out-benefit-increase.html

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  5. David

     /  27th January 2020

    I really hope Ardern is going to stump up 45 million of taxpayers dosh, call it a loan to Auckland Council, and hand it to Fletchers so they can give their land back to a handful of Maori protesters. Please please please do it

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    • Corky

       /  27th January 2020

      Fingers crossed, Dave. I wonder where Winston will sit in all of this? Simon need do nothing ..just STFU! The voters are quite capable of making their own judgement calls.

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  27th January 2020

    The RIGHT are wimps….
    The ancient boomer called Peter Williams, on Radio Magic hates NEVE our lovely Prime MinisterJacinda Arderns daughter because she was at Ratana HE WENT ON AND ON about the young child, even comrade Simon Bridges wasn’t singing his tune when interviewed.some RIGHTWING oldies upset me…thick as a bricks,oldie nasties…

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  27th January 2020

      Go on, Lurch, bite him! You know you want to.

      But why do you upset yourself listening to and reading people you know you hate? You could be quite safe and happily bored listening to National Radio?

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      • Corky

         /  27th January 2020

        Lefties, especially old ones like Lurchy, know the real action is always on the RIGHT. We make our own luck and fate.. they subconsciously want some of the action. That’s why they listen.

        The alternative is listening to some Green Doomer on National Socialist Radio saying
        ”keey oh ra, Good morning..the was the call of the Tui..and now for the news. President Trump has stopped his motorcade outside McDonald’s to take a leak in violation of White House protocols.”

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    • David

       /  27th January 2020

      The prodigal daughter hidden from view, with the exception of the press gallery thereby ensuring good coverage of Mum just in case they are denied future private visitation rights and dinner party boasting points.
      Its election year let us all bask in the wonderment and vote accordingly.

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  7. Time for the Senate to call witnesses in Trump’s impeachment trial.

    John Bolton should be first, given his first-hand knowledge of Trump’s efforts to get a quid pro quo with a foreign government in order to sway the 2020 presidential election.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  27th January 2020

      You are doomed to disappointment I fear, Ishmael. Looks more like wrapping up quickly this week with party votes accusing and acquitting. Trump has increased his support by a percent or two via this charade so a losing gambit for the Dems.

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    • duperez

       /  27th January 2020

      It’s early in the year but already in 2020 I’ve learned that it’s silly to hear evidence from people involved in a situation when there is an inquiry or trial. 🙃

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  27th January 2020

        Evidence. Is irrelevant when the charge is not a crime and the accusers merely believe shouting will make it one.

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        • duperez

           /  27th January 2020

          Call it ‘information’ then rather than evidence. There is a case or situation where judgements have to be made where it would be eminently sensible to know the facts.

          It all must be kosher for it to be happening under certain rules and protocols or it wouldn’t be happening. The niceties of whether it is a crime will probably be determined by experts in their law.

          If the amount of shouting is the decisive factor they may as well knock it on the head now and Trump can celebrate victory being tweet.

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  8. Pink David

     /  27th January 2020

    Sweden is struggling with gangs and bomb attacks, no less than 257 last year and they are already off to a bigger year. For a people with a reputation for being peaceful, they really have change!

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/25/bombs-blood-feuds-malmo-explosions-rocking-swedens-cities

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  27th January 2020

      The number of bomb crimes includes the ones where explosions have been found and nothing’s happened.

      They seem to have real gang problems.

      No doubt there will be delight from those who will excitedly blame it on immigrants, although these were not mentioned in the article.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  27th January 2020

        The article skipped delicately and obviously deliberately around that issue (didn’t name any of the convicted criminals) but there were several giveaways:
        accusing prime minister Stefan Löfven of “refusing even to admit the connection between failed integration and growing gang criminality”

        “Then we can solve everything between us in the family when the time is right, inshallah.”

        “If we compare ourselves to cities in Germany with the same ethnic population, there are huge differences,”

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        • Pink David

           /  27th January 2020

          “Then we can solve everything between us in the family when the time is right, inshallah.”

          Inshallah is a Swedish word that means “please don’t blow up my family”. It is in frequent use due the Swedes long history of blood feuds and using explosives to deal with minor disputes, rather than trusting the police.

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      • Pink David

         /  27th January 2020

        “No doubt there will be delight from those who will excitedly blame it on immigrants, although these were not mentioned in the article.”

        Quite right, there is almost no mention of immigrants in the article. The cause of the sudden need for Swedes to blow each other up is ‘a mystery’.

        “The mystery remains as to why explosions are so prevalent in Sweden’s cities, where crime rates are otherwise relatively low………Sigfridsson said. “We are trying to get academics to look at why Sweden is the way it is.””

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  27th January 2020

          Everything is a mystery to those who will not see.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  28th January 2020

            Unless the criminals are identified, speculation is pointless.

            The article was pointless.

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  9. Corky

     /  28th January 2020

    ”The suspected gang leader was not in the end convicted for the murder, which the prosecutor claimed was in revenge for divorcing his sister. ”

    What more needs to be said? Let’s hope Kitty has finally learnt something- ”when it quacks like at duck…it’s generally not a hedgehog.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  28th January 2020

      That doesn’t alter the fact that the article, for whatever reason, didn’t say who the gang members were. Nor did it name names.

      Not all gang members are Muslim. Do you think that the Mongrel Mob and Black Power or the US gangs are ? Not all European gangs are, either. There have been gangs there for a very long time.Have you heard of the Krays ?

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    • Corky

       /  28th January 2020

      Kitty asked if I had heard of the Krays. Yep, I have. But I doubt the Krays would give some Geeza a kicking for divorcing their sister. However, I know who does get upset over such things. It’s part of their religion. As I said, I hope she can learn from people who have tried to put her RIGHT on this issue. We must never tout our ego on the shoulders of ignorance.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  28th January 2020

        Don’t you believe it. The Krays didn’t stick at much. I would suggest that you read about the gangs of the era before you hold forth about them. It’s ‘geezer’, by the way; it’s not a person’s name. They’d have done a lot more than give someone ‘a kicking’. Why do you think that the Krays had life sentences and died in prison ?

        You forgot 2/3 of the duck cliche. It goes on to say that if it swims like a duck and walks or looks like a duck, then it is a duck. By your logic, if it makes a bang like a gun, it is a gun. But it could be a backfiring car or a firework. One item is too small a sample to prove anything.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  28th January 2020

          Among other things, the Krays were into arson,extortion, bank robbery and murder, but their reign of terror meant that people were afraid to talk. I can’t remember whether the ensuing GBH was called a smacking or a spanking, but it was very severe and brutal.

          Ron Kray ended his days in Broadmoor because he was judged to be criminally insane.

          I don’t know if their gang was classed as one of the notorious razor gangs.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  28th January 2020

            No, from the sound of it, they were earlier. But the name should tell even Corky what they were known for.

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      • Corky

         /  28th January 2020

        ”Geeza”

        ”A Word used to describe a male, independent of race or creed, a bit like bloke. Used more so in the south of England (i.e London) can be used in both a friendly and aggressive manner.”

        Yep, I think the Krays were from London. Kitty needs to understand ( and accept) I know way more than her.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  29th January 2020

          I don’t think that the Krays were from London, I know it; they were in the East End. They ran nightclubs and were quite trendy at one time, associating with well known people. How can you imagine that ‘thinking that they were from London’ shows that you know more than the details I gave about them ? There were three of them, Charlie being the oldest and the other two were twins. They came from Chingford, as I remember it. And no, I didn’t have to google all that; I know a fair bit about English history.

          The word is ‘geezer’, geeza is a misspelling, and as it’s not someone’s name, it doesn’t begin with a capital G.

          The idea that you know more that I do is ludicrous Your two SC subjects or whatever it was shows that. You haven’t been to university and I’d be prepared to make a bet that your only language is a limited version of English and that you haven’t travelled outside NZ.

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  10. Zedd

     /  28th January 2020

    i hear on Dem-now (Indep USA radio) that there were 34 SERIOUS injuries of USA service personell, at the recent Iranian bombing.. unlike the official ‘Fake news’ that it was just colateral damage & ‘a few headaches’ (MrTs words.. reportedly).. more attempts at ‘creating reality’ by MrT & co.

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  11. also: the founder of a USA ‘Pill mill’ (Big Pharma) was sentenced to 4.5 years for using unlawful practice to persuade GP doctors to prescribe Fentanyl (Opiate – super strength – many 1000s ODs/deaths)
    He reportedly paid for ‘lap-dancers’ at medical conferences/(public events) to turn them to his ‘proposals’/agenda

    & they call we ‘stoners’ : Crims. “WTF !” 😦

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  28th January 2020

      NZ is too small for people to get away with that, and as our drugs are done by Pharmac. there would be little point in trying. I imagine.

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      • Zedd

         /  28th January 2020

        ai tautoko to whakaaro kitty 🙂

        we have enuf trouble with WEED.. or so they keep reminding us !

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      • Zedd

         /  28th January 2020

        oR demanding we accept.. 19/9/20 Election 2020 Ref. day (x 2).. be there !

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  12. Corky

     /  28th January 2020

    The election has been called for Sept 19th. I think the PM should have gone earlier with the afterglow of the budget still fresh in the minds of many. So, she seems confident.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  28th January 2020

      Seems very early to me. About as early as she could go without being called on it as afraid to see out her term. Most elections are in November by my recollection.

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      • Corky

         /  29th January 2020

        It’s early in the classical sense. But not the strategic sense. This government with a tsunami of problems chasing its back runs at big risk the further they stray from the buttress of the budget in my opinion. Of course that premise is based on the government staying true to the socialist doctrine of spend…spend…spend.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  29th January 2020

        Alan, the last election was on September 17; this surprised me, I thought it was later than that. The date being the same as Women’s Suffrage is unlikely to be coincidence.

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        • Duker

           /  29th January 2020

          Once you have a September election the 3 yr rule means you can’t push it back to November as you run out of time to have it done and dusted with the formal returning of writs etc.

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    • Zedd

       /  28th January 2020

      TRUMP isnt on the menu.. surely you dont care about NZ in 2020 ‘corky’

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  13. Corky

     /  29th January 2020

    President Trumpy does something.. again!

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51288218

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    • Zedd

       /  29th January 2020

      who really cares.. about his delusions of grandeur.. ‘corky’

      I heard on Al_Jz, he has announced his ‘Grand Plan’ for Palestine.. oh dear.. more B-S

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      • Corky

         /  29th January 2020

        Apparently the Palestinians do. But who cares about them? I don’t.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  29th January 2020

          Why bother to post the link, then ?

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        • Corky

           /  29th January 2020

          Apparently I’m a mind reader who knows how Zedd will comment. Of course my comment was about President Trumpy…not Palestinians.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  29th January 2020

            If you say so…

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          • Corky

             /  29th January 2020

            ”President Trumpy does something.. again!

            https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51288218

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            • Blazer

               /  29th January 2020

              a nothing in fact…a construct WITHOUT Palestinian input cobbled together by one impeached leader and another facing fraud and corruption..charges.

            • Corky

               /  29th January 2020

              Why in the hell would you want Palestinians involved? Honestly, even their Muslim brothers hold them at arms length. They are nothing but trouble..and immoral in my opinion. What type of prick puts a military command centre in the middle of a school?

  14. Corky

     /  29th January 2020

    No shit Sherlock. One News has their penny drop. The penny is yet to drop for people wearing face masks.

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/coronavirus-could-come-catastrophic-cost-new-zealands-economy

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  15. Corky

     /  30th January 2020

    Heard an interesting interview on tallback interview with Sir John Key yesterday.

    He could have, if he wanted, had a security detail for the rest of his life. He chose not to. But sometimes he has no choice. If the security services decide he needs protection for whatever reason that is provided. He said he has only been accosted twice..once by a drunk; the other by someone who yelled at him ”still on the tit” as he attended a collar and tie affair to raise money for charity ( no doubt a hate filled Lefty). He said most of the time people just ignore him. That’s a great thing..the NZ way.

    Another issue he related was being bought up in a State House. What I didn’t know was that his mother and father ran businesses before his father died. On accountants advice and a little thought, she decided she couldn’t run the businesses and sold to pay off her debts.

    The way the Left carries on one would think they lived in a state house from day one.

    However, things are now way better for Sir JK. He played golf with Obama over the Xmas break while enjoying the tropical climes of Hawaii. He would love to meet Tiger Woods.

    The things you learn on talkback.😃✔

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    • Blazer

       /  31st January 2020

      its the right who push the lived in a state house back story!

      It is supposed to be a heroic against the odds fable of aspiration and achievement.

      From state house to forex gambler,to P.M to knighted …hood.

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      • Corky

         /  31st January 2020

        Depends on your point of view. What I take from it was Key’s family didn’t make a state house their first port of call. They also did not expect it as a RIGHT to be able to live in a state house for the rest of their lives.

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        • Blazer

           /  31st January 2020

          as if you have psychic powers!

          [Deleted incorrect name] certainly set about selling off state houses as fast as he…could.

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          • Corky

             /  31st January 2020

            Psychic Powers…no, that power is going into getting rid of this government. All you need to do is watch your ilk being interviewed on TV re housing. The differences in mindsets then become apparent.

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  16. Alan Wilkinson

     /  30th January 2020

    This is a rare readable analysis of why Trump from a Lefty journalist. He mightn’t understand the right but he does understand the media and how Trump has played it.

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  17. Corky

     /  31st January 2020

    Phil Goff can’t escape his socialist roots. Hey, Phil!! We aren’t a communist state. Property owners still have some RIGHTS…but dwindling by the day. Like rust, a socialist never sleeps.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12304723

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