Open Forum – 4 February

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  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  4th February 2020

    Winston’s political business, touting influence:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12305743

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    • Gerrit

       /  4th February 2020

      Be interesting to see Peters bluster his way around this one.

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      • Blazer

         /  4th February 2020

        Chump change compared to what National receive.

        Dr Jiang…what a great fundraiser.

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        • Gerrit

           /  4th February 2020

          Chump change compared with what Labour receive

          Donghua Liu…what a great fundraiser.

          $150K for Labour.

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          • Blazer

             /  4th February 2020

            fake news.

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            • Duker

               /  4th February 2020

              “$150K for Labour.”
              That was a fake story spread by Key himself- in his usual way to political reporters who never used Keys name with those sort of stories
              The $150k unravelled to be less than $100K which included a ‘boat trip on the Yangtze’ and an ‘estimated cost’
              https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11281460
              “Liu says his earlier signed statement on the wine auction was “capable of two meanings”
              “said dinner and a boat trip on the Yangtze River in 2007 with a group including Rick Barker, the Minister for Internal Affairs at the time, which Liu estimated to cost between $50,000 to $60,000.”
              That was said to be rubbish as the Boast cruise was Chinese Concrete company and Barker just ‘tagged along’

              Typical national party back room dirty tricks….nothing has changed except JLR will be on the election circuit this year….and boy will he have stories to tell!

      • Duker

         /  4th February 2020

        “Be interesting to see Peters bluster his way around this one.”

        Its the same story about the NZF Foundation and an insider releasing the donors names and amounts that we had before Xmas.
        You will find the same process with Labour and National , people contributing right up to the $15000 non disclosure limit.
        Is rich people giving to political parties news ? They could well be giving elsewhere as well to cover their bets.
        Remember party officials come knocking asking for money, only a few are already political enough to give money unasked.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  4th February 2020

      The best part was all the legal disclaimers we are not implying that X split up his donations to avoid being publicly identified. Yeah, right.

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      • Duker

         /  4th February 2020

        You do realise that’s what happened , exactly happened with the donations investigated by SFO, why they would do so without prompting from someone else isn’t a mystery. Since Bridges was the person who fronted the real donor, will he testify in court that it wasn’t his idea to do so.

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  2. artcroft

     /  4th February 2020

    The foundations he hasn’t been forced to reveal are even worse.

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    • Blazer

       /  4th February 2020

      the secret ones that…only you know…about!Bol.

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      • Duker

         /  4th February 2020

        Each National MP has his own ‘Cabinet Club’ which is a fund raiser for the MP and to meet its quota of money for HQ

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  3. Barbara McKenzie

     /  4th February 2020

    It’s a serious worry that more New Zealanders aren’t concerned about the Climate Change Curriculum, designed for children from the age of 10. The programme is more than just child exploitation – it is the most cynical child abuse.

    That many claims are at best hotly disputed is not the main issue – in the past ideas taught in schools have often subsequently been shown to be false. There are more serious problems.

    The purpose of the programme is clearly to create an army of youthful activists to lobby for the government’s climate policies. The subject of climate change is taught as religion rather than as an academic subject, with no room for dissent on the part of students, who are taught to see dissenters as heretics. Almost from the beginning the children are encouraged to respond emotionally rather than objectively, to feel fear and anger, which will then impel them to take action.

    The programme consciously threatens children’s psychological well being, endangers their physical health by suggesting a serious dietary change, and via the role models presented to them, encourages them to neglect their education and to take actions that may lead to criminal conviction.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  4th February 2020

      I think that it may not be as bad as that; I certainly hope so.

      I have read about people whose children have what amounts to panic attacks in shops when they see plastic…having driven there in cars made of and probably fuelled with fossil fuel, and who are unlikely not to own phones, computers, televisions….biros, hairbrushes, combs….

      I am a vegetarian and do everything I can to reduce waste, but don’t imagine that my being vegetarian will affect the climate.

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    • Corky

       /  4th February 2020

      I agree BM. Dietary change suggestions for veganism can have dire consequences for the health of young developing minds. Meat provides a range of nutrients that are easily digested by the body compared to plant based products bodies have to work overtime to digest and convert to usable compounds. I also don’t like the way cultisms develops around vegetarianism and veganism. Some of these folk think they are morally superior to meat eaters.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  4th February 2020

        Name five who think that.

        Most do it for health or aesthetic reasons. Not everyone wants to eat dead animals and consume their blood, fat and organs like stomachs, urine filters (kidneys), gut (sausage skins), brains and tongues. Or eat their skins and feet.

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      • Barbara McKenzie

         /  4th February 2020

        Modern evangelical veganism is funded by Bill Gates, and people like Al Gore invest in fake meat (fake meat – why would you …?), ie it’s promoted by those behind climatism. There is a lot of intellectual dishonesty associated with evangelical veganism – the adherents shift from one plank to another: the bogus claims about CO2 and methane, to nutrition,to caring for animals, shifting tack as soon as each claim is debunked. But as you say, moral high ground is very big – we should all die to save the planet. You can spot the cultists a mile off – see above.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  4th February 2020

          Who are the cultists ?

          I don’t eat meat because I went off the idea of eating animals. It was a personal decision. I don’t need to justify it to anyone.

          I reduce, reuse, recycle etc etc for the sake of the environment generally, but am not one of the hypocrites who totally condemn plastic and fossil fuels but still use computers, phones and other things made of it, I am 100% in favour of cutting the unnecessary use of plastic, but we are unlikely to go back to the days of wooden phones and radios, eyeglasses made of real glass, cars made of 100% metal or none at all.

          Greta Thunberg uses things made of fossil fuels, like the yacht she made such mileage of using (and whose pilots flew across the Atlantic to sail it back for her so that she wouldn’t have to fly)

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  4th February 2020

            She uses computers made of fossil fuels as a means of spreading her demands that the world stops producing fossil fuels…just as Robyn Malcolm condemns mining of metals, while she’s festooned with metal jewellery and/or wearing a leather jacket with large zips all over it.

            I saw protestors with placards which were painted cardboard. This would be all right if it wasn’t for the fact that the paint would make the card useless for recycling. It would contaminate an entire batch. If the card was buried, the paint would pollute the ground.

            ‘Do as I say, not as I do ? ‘

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          • Barbara McKenzie

             /  4th February 2020

            Kitty, vegetarians have been around quite a long time, vegans are a more modern phenomenon (even Jains eat dairy products), but presumably there are long-standing vegans for whom it is a very personal position, nothing to do with the Gates/Rockefeller climate crusade. Why did you have to go into bat for cultist vegans who are just towing the corporate line with all your hostile stuff about how “not everyone wants to eat dead animals and consume their blood, fat and organs like stomachs, urine filters (kidneys), gut (sausage skins), brains and tongues. Or eat their skins and feet”?

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  6th February 2020

              Why is making a factual list of things that people eat ‘hostile’ ? Or towing the corporate line ? Which corporate line ? I am not a cultist vegan or a vegan, and I resent being told that I am ‘going into bat’ for them when I give a simple list of what meat-eaters eat. I didn’t use any emotive language or even any adjectives.

              Meat DOES contain blood, so anyone eating meat is eating blood (one reason for my stopping doing so, I am revolted by the idea). Tripe is a cow’s stomach lining. Kidneys filter urine in all animals. Sausage skins are made from guts, or were (and probably still are) Brains and tongues are sold and eaten. Pork crackling is skin and fat, and chickens are eaten with the skin on. Pigs’ trotters are pigs’ feet.

              These are facts. They are not my inventions. If people want to eat these things, knowing what they are, that’s up to them.

              You must know that meat has blood and that people eat brains and tongues.

    • duperez

       /  4th February 2020

      The purpose is clearly to create an army of lobbyists? I wish I’d been there when the discussion started. “Hey, let’s create an army of lobbyists.”

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  4. Gerrit

     /  4th February 2020

    One has to wonder if Bridges knew about the latest reveal from the Herald and made a preemptive strike to distance National from Peters.

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    • Blazer

       /  4th February 2020

      this won’t hurt …Peters.

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      • Gerrit

         /  4th February 2020

        We will see…might hurt Labour by association. No money to help reduce poverty but plenty for the regional splashes by the Peters party to satisfy Peters contributors. Mind you they may be miffed that Peters has not delivered the all weather horse racing track by now..

        Waitangi day is going to be so interesting. Flying dildos time?

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        • Duker

           /  4th February 2020

          You can lead horses to water but you cant make them drink….
          Its a long term plan not a instant fix..
          If you think a single answer will fix ‘poverty’ do let us know your secret
          The Racing Clubs and TAB got poker machine licences thanks to National, thats a nice little money earner that isnt subject to local council control like every one else

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          • Gerrit

             /  4th February 2020

            Yes I have a single answer to fix poverty. Stop paying the politicians to skirt around the issue. Pay them on performance.

            Ardern on $500K has made no attempt to reduce poverty numbers and as such why does she retain her $500K?

            No fix, no pay. Same with every other policy promise. No new houses? No pay. No new trees planted? No pay. Immigration numbers not reduced, No pay.

            The politicians are our employees and as such we should deduct their wages for low or null performance.

            Simple.

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            • Blazer

               /  4th February 2020

              funny how you never raised this for 9 years of National cronyism.

            • Funny how you make accusations that you have no way of supporting. When I don’t have time to waste responding to crap like this I’ll just bin.

            • Blazer

               /  5th February 2020

              I can support them alright.
              Exhibit number one…high country pastoral legislation….cui bono?

              Over to you and your selective invective.

        • duperez

           /  6th February 2020

          It is easy to challenge the ‘no money to help reduce poverty’ comment and set it up for you to say you can’t give evidence of money not being spent because none is being spent.

          I can’t prove that there is money being spent on reducing poverty. There weren’t little stalls along the 750km of I travelled along in the past few days with signs saying ‘Reducing poverty handouts’ or headlines in the papers about bureaucrats and governmental social agencies in different places around the country doing things towards reducing poverty.

          Because of that some will say nothing is being done because they can’t see the actions in front of them. Others expect that things are being done and have confidence things are happening in direct and non-direct ways towards reducing poverty.

          Your contention along with the bits about Ardern making no attempt to reduce poverty and suggesting politicians are being paid to skirt around the issue are facile nonsense.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  6th February 2020

            It would be nice if the Left thought the best way to reduce poverty was to increase productivity instead of making endless laws and regulations to reduce it.

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    • Duker

       /  4th February 2020

      “has to wonder if Bridges knew about the latest reveal from the Herald ‘

      Its a RNZ story they ‘stole’ – Guyon Espiner has been rabbiting on about this same issue since early December, but held over titibits during the Xmas quiet period .

      I dont know how Espiner came to have the party documents arrive in his hands , but maybe they were like Nicky Hager they just turned up one day with no return address?
      My ‘theory’ is that The National party operatives or a PR company made contact with NZF President who was forced to resign over ‘harrassment’ in the office and after a ‘few cups of tea’ the documents were forthcoming and then they just needed a ‘news source’ to publicise them. And the old dirty politics charade starts all over again where national party hides its links to ‘opposition research’ dirty tricks information they have been gathering. Thats my theory anyway based on the party previous history and the reality Espiner isnt a ‘go out and get the news from a source’ sort of reporter.

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      • artcroft

         /  4th February 2020

        Turned up one day with no return address. Sounds like Winnie desscribing all this undeclared cash in his foundation. All perfectly legit I’m sure

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        • Duker

           /  4th February 2020

          Its a loophole , a related entity like a Foundation doesnt have to declare squat.
          It should however so the National Foundation ( that we know about) and its string of Regional party entities controlled by the local party bosses should all be declared. Wasnt so long ago the partys “Northern Foundation’ was a registered poker machine ‘charity’ which had party political purposes as one of its aims. It only existed like that as John Banks owned a string of pubs to run the machines. Thats all been tightened up now and couldnt happen is bare knuckle but Im sure the Northern Foundation still exists as a private trust

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  5. Corky

     /  4th February 2020

    The club who signed Folau are staggered by the social media blacklash. Two points:

    1- Is this club’s hierarchy thick?
    2- Why didn’t they tell social media to fugg off ?

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12305829

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  4th February 2020

      For someone who has sneered so much at people who get their news from ‘MSM’ and not talkback radio, you quote the papers and other mainstream news an awful lot.

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    • Corky

       /  4th February 2020

      Yep. talkback radio puts out good hard copy. Just marvellous for print media. Of course
      judicious use of any media isn’t a problem for those who don’t go looking for problems.😎

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  4th February 2020

        You could record and transcribe it you think it’s superior to the usual press, and you have often sneered at people who don’t get most of their information from it but rely on ‘MSM’ rather than Mike Hosking et al.

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  4th February 2020

    Comrade Simon Bridges doesn’t trust Winston Peters, Bridges lives in La La land
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/simon-bridges-rejects-claim-he-met-with-china-s-head-of-secret-police.html
    And Simon has a bridge for sale for a broken up donation(send in $14999, parcels,and never lies

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    • Corky

       /  4th February 2020

      Watched Winston at Waitangi, along with his sidekick, Jonesy. What a picky prat. He didn’t want to stand next to Simon! So we now know all that bluster from Winston about not being worried about a ‘no deal’ with National is just bs. I also note Willie Jackson is looking more feral by the day. The best present for New Zealand would be to have this motley crew kicked to the curb for good. This Waitangi dribble is something National shouldn’t be part of.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  4th February 2020

        All the Aucklanders driving around BOI with their flags flying. Brought their cops with them.

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  7. Zedd

     /  5th February 2020

    It has become blatantly clear, that the Reps. (USA) think ‘MrT can do no wrong’ By effectively dismissing the Impeachment case, without allowing witness testimony or further evidence to be presented. HOW BIZAARE !

    Im guessing that his statement on Intl. media ‘I could go out on 5th Ave. & shoot someone & get away with it !’ is also no worth worrying about either.. ho hum

    >Be afraid.. be very afraid USA; shadows of MrH, behind MrT 😦

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  5th February 2020

      I have a feeling that he didn’t actually say that.

      But people still voted for a man who said that sex with disturbed young women was the best because they had issues with their fathers. He was then old enough to be the grandfather of these girls. He went on to talk about Lindsay Lohan’s body, including the freckles on her chest. UGH. He’s a dirty old man.

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      • Zedd

         /  5th February 2020

        sorry Kitty; I dont have link.. but, it was ‘reported’ in the media

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  5th February 2020

          My mistake, he did. I must have thought it was in the fake Newsweek (?) article.

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    • Pink David

       /  6th February 2020

      “By effectively dismissing the Impeachment case, without allowing witness testimony or further evidence to be presented. ”

      Would you please care to explain why they decided to impeach when there was a need for more evidence and witness testimony?

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  8. Duker

     /  5th February 2020

    Remember this ? The 2012 Iowa Caucuses for the Republican party . Yes that was the one that stuffed up the vote count.
    Romney was named the winner and then went on to win New Hampshire just after.

    Except after New Hampshire it was announced due to a ‘mix up’ Rick Santorum was actually the winner in Iowa. Sort of certain it was Rick but couldnt be sure so just ‘declared him winner’ …at midnight…on a Friday … about 3 weeks after the vote..
    Rick who you might say !
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/04/iowa-second-caucus-debacle-eight-years/

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  9. Corky

     /  5th February 2020

    Conservative Christian woman deals to a ‘self confessed liberal Christian Woman.’ I like it when Conservatives stick to the bible. Unlike liberals who believe the bible can be interpreted as supporting the gay lifestyle..it can’t. If you are a Christian you must believe all of the bible.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/02/homophobic-us-voter-asks-for-vote-back-after-realising-her-chosen-candidate-is-a-gay-man.html

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