Open Forum – 7 February

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  1. lurcher1948

     /  7th February 2020

    Great news the nasty Katie Hopkins has been suspended on twitter, now they need to turn their eyes towards “the real Donald Trump”hes a nasty childish human being who uses babyish phrases to describe opponents

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  7th February 2020

      Are you on Twitter or have you been suspended, Lurch?

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      • lurcher1948

         /  7th February 2020

        Why Alan?

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  7th February 2020

          Just curious, Lurch, knowing the trouble you have getting published here.

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          • lurcher1948

             /  7th February 2020

            One day PG will raise the great firewall of Dunedin and you will full enjoyment of me educating you righties ,from your mistakes

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  7th February 2020

              I think we will survive it, Lurch. I just fear for the rest of the world.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  7th February 2020

      I can’t believe that it’s taken so long for Twitter to remove the vile KH.

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    • Corky

       /  8th February 2020

      Katie used to ask questions gutless media would not. Remember her dealing to that mayor over Muslim issues? No, of course you don’t…you are [deleted]

      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/04/i-think-it-was-overdone-katie-hopkins-criticises-jacinda-ardern-for-putting-muslims-first.html

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  9th February 2020

        Katie Hopkins famously mocked a cancer victim’s appearance.

        She made absurd claims about Muslims being in the majority in the UK and said that a Muslim man could be seen in photos of the fire at Notre Dame which she blamed on Muslims as I remember. A lie on both counts. She blames the Mayor of London for the number of knife attacks, if that’s what you mean by the mayor and Muslim issues.

        She’s a racist, bigoted liar who is called the most hated woman in the UK. Even Twitter has barred her now

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  9th February 2020

          She was sacked from her radio job for wanting a ‘final solution’ to the Muslims of the UK. This was, in effect, calling for genocide; the Holocaust was called ‘the final solution’ and everyone knows it.

          If it’s gutless not to be like this, then gutlessness is a good thing. Most people would call it decency.

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      • Corky

         /  9th February 2020

        [Deleted.] Kitty will need to back her claims up.

        1- Mock a cancer victims appearance?
        2-Muslim man in photo regarding Notre Dame fire?
        3- Blaming mayor for knife attacks?

        Here’s the interview with the mayor. You will then understand why I support Katie Hopkins and not some poster who has problems understanding issues at a deeper level. In fact it’s a major failing of her ilk.

        No chance of twisting this interview to fit your ‘pet bias.’

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  9th February 2020

          She was among the first to say that the Notre Dame fire was caused by Muslims and tweeted (or said) that she saw a Muslim man in footage of the site, which was arrant nonsense; no one was there except firemen.

          The cancer victim was Linda Nolan who was told to put her ‘floppy boobs away’ and had her ‘fat arm’ mocked. She had had a mastectomy and the ‘fat arm’ was caused by lymphedema. Her sister Coleen was furious and when she was on a show with Hopkins told her so.

          Trump was delighted with her criticism of Sadiq Khan (she said that he should go, he was useless and that since he’d been mayor London had become known as Stab-city)

          All these things are easily found online. Her own words are on record.

          I won’t bother with the video; who wants to see that harridan spitting her usual bigoted bile, which is what it is overwhelmingly likely to be ? She’s old news now.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  9th February 2020

            There are far more reliable sources for the issues facing Molenbeek-St-Jean than an old interview with a well-known bigot & has-been. I prefer to use them.

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        • Corky

           /  9th February 2020

          The abuse came in a Celebrity Big Brother reality TV show. What do you expect? The abuse had nothing to do with Linda having had cancer. In fact I wonder if Katie knew?
          That Katie was called big nose; horse face and looking like Princess Anne of course
          can be forgotten. If you can’t stand the heat in the kitchen, turn the stove off.

          No link to a Muslim man causing the fire or being shown in picture footage according to Katie

          I have yet to see where she accused Sadiq Khan of being responsible for the spate of knife attacks. She criticized him for it happening on his watch.

          Please don’t bother with the video. It was just proof I have put online to show how the
          Left like to misrepresent facts.

          Of course the video is either factually correct or not. Well, you can’t argue with the mayor admitting she was at fault. She is even trying to sue Katie…Lol!

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  2. Maggy Wassilieff

     /  7th February 2020

    A male Paradise Duck has set up camp at my back door stop. He’s unfazed by the cats and has been drinking at their outside water bucket.

    He first appeared last week after the 38C day and spent time under the garden sprinklers I turned on early next morning. He spent the rest of the day on one of our lawns then took off that evening.

    Now he’s back… but doesn’t want to be down on the lawns or in the bushes…he seems to want to be up with us.

    Each year we get 3-15 mallards down around our little pond and they hang around for winter-spring, then take off, but they never shown any inclination to spend time up around the house.

    I was wondering if any one else has a pet Parry?

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    • We get parries on our (quite large) lawn occasionally, and more often up the paddock. And they often fly over (I live on an active flight path up/down the Otago harbour).

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    • Corky

       /  7th February 2020

      Yep, we had one come up from the river. He/she would fight my American Bulldogg, Scrotus, for his food. For some weird reason Scrotus and this duck seemed to get on. But, boy can these birds crap. That was becoming quite a problem. Unfortunately a relative shot the duck for reason unknown.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  7th February 2020

      Most unfortunate; they are protected except for some regulated hunting. Not that being protected means that they are safe from the trigger-happy.

      The odd one appears at the lake or stream near me.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  7th February 2020

        They are very beautiful and I can’t imagine why anyone would shoot such a lovely creature. Even if they were not protected, it would be a cruel and pointless act to kill a harmless bird.

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  3. lurcher1948

     /  7th February 2020

    No one has bought this up, WHO HATES HOKI, the Chinese are not taking our real fish…heading to the tip,SELL IT TO NZ CUSTOMERS,NAH
    WHO LOVES CRAYFISH, now dumped in the ocean live or where ever YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BUY A CRAYFISH IN NZ, sell to NZs NAH
    BEEF BEEF who likes the crap us plebes have to buy off the POOR rich prick farmers, RUBISH remember the poor farmers sell us the crap that the world rejects,will we get the rejects,NAH
    LAMB the poor farmers will dump before selling to Countdown or who ever, FUCK THE poor FISHERS OR FARMERS OR ORCHERDISTS,WHO DONT GIVE A FUCK, YOU WOULD DUMP before you sell to the New Zealanders who support you,US NEW ZEALANDERS, i suppose you get an insurance payout and polluting NZ isn’t a concern, DUMP DUMP

    I feel the presence of the great firewall of Dunedin, never to be posted [If you keep niggling about this then that’s what will happen, they will automatically go to trash. PG]

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    • lurcher1948

       /  7th February 2020

      Fair enough PG but i, feel suppressed sometimes, but PG cheers…its YOUR blog, its sad when the debate rages,im tired of the kicks in the head by the righties Laughing when i cannot respond, im your blogs posting joke, But i try to bring balance, im not a lefty But i hate knuckle dragger righties,living the trump dream

      [On occasions (as I have done this morning) I delete comments that attack you or try to provoke you knowing you have limited opportunity to respond. I do what I think is fair to both sides, but also ask you and others to respect the intent of this blog to keep comments at a decent standard, and to not resort to petty bickering nor abusing. PG]

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    • Conspiratoor

       /  7th February 2020

      Lurch, there appears to be a message in here struggling to break free. Does it go something along the lines ‘locals play second fiddle to foreigners when it comes to almost anything that can be flogged off be it land, housing, baby food, milk products, water, fish, crayfish, meat, wood or whatever’.

      This is the reality of the global marketplace and free trade agreements my dear old thing. The only thing that has changed in recent years is the resurgence of asia as a global powerhouse and insatiable market for almost everything including our IP and intelligence network. Our sovereignty is being sold down the dunny by gutless politicians on all sides and this is not going to change so you may as well get used to it

      You don’t appear to be a god fearing man lurch but it seems the only politician who is calling this is Brian Tamaki.. Perhaps you should join the flock. Cheers,c

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  7th February 2020

    Thanks PG, that was a decent explanation

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  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  7th February 2020

    This says it all:

    If given the chance, the House may pursue partisan impeachment again. We simply cannot let that happen. Impeachment must be taken seriously.

    Our Founding Fathers feared that impeachment would be used as a partisan tool by partisan actors. In Federalist No. 65, Alexander Hamilton warned that “in many cases (impeachment) will connect itself with the preexisting factions and will enlist all their animosities, partialities, influence and interest on one side or on the other.”

    In the impeachment of President Donald Trump, their fears have been realized.

    I believe it’s time to raise the simple majority threshold in the House of Representatives to approve impeachment articles and send them to the Senate for trial.

    Thursday, I’m introducing a constitutional amendment that would require a supermajority vote of three-fifths in the House to impeach a public official. Our country should never again suffer through the kind of partisan charade that has consumed Washington over the past several months.

    I believe this amendment adheres to the true purpose and intention of the impeachment process laid out in our constitution.

    Opportunistic politicians must be kept in check
    It was paramount to the founding of our country that a process be created to address monarchic abuses, like those we had just fought a revolution to free ourselves from. But with that process comes the possibility that partisan factions will use impeachment as a tool of the majority, rather than as a last resort against tyrants.

    We all remember House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s statement last March: “Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path, because it divides the country.”

    Yet when the final vote in the House came to impeach President Trump, not a single Republican voted to approve the articles. In fact, it was only the opposition to the impeachment charade that received bipartisan support in the House.

    Hamilton went on to say in Federalist No. 65 that “in such cases, there will always be the greatest danger that the decision will be regulated more by the comparative strength of parties than by the real demonstrations of innocence or guilt.”

    To address these concerns, the Founders put the Senate, the deliberative body that George Washington was said to have called the saucer that cools the tea of state, in charge of an impeachment trial and created a higher threshold — a two-thirds majority — to convict a president of impeachable offenses.

    But Pelosi’s impeachment circus has shown that bad-faith partisans will use the impeachment process as a tool to hurt their political opponents, no matter the outcome of the Senate trial. It’s a dangerous precedent. House majorities have no reason to prove — or even attempt to prove — their case if their goal is to simply use impeachment as a political attack against the president.

    The abuse of today’s politicians couldn’t have been predicted
    The genius of our Founders cannot be overstated. But even they could not foresee the partisan hackery of a House speaker like Nancy Pelosi.

    She handed out commemorative pens and fist-bumped Bill Maher on his HBO show after the House vote to approve the impeachment articles, a day she laughably called “a sad day.” In a further display of statesmanship Tuesday, the speaker made a public showing of physically ripping up a printed copy of the president’s State of the Union speech on national television.

    She bragged that no matter what happened in the Senate trial, Donald Trump has been “impeached for life,” while her counterpart in the Senate, Chuck Schumer, said that “the acquittal will have no value.”

    It still makes a point: Even if the Senate does not remove Donald Trump, this impeachment is far from a mistake

    The fact of the matter is, Democrats hate Donald Trump and have been working to impeach him since Day One of his administration. They don’t care what the charges are. They don’t care what the Senate does. They don’t care that the American people elected him president in 2016 in an Electoral College landslide. This is nothing but a political attack.

    It’s wrong, and the process needs to change.

    It should be harder — much harder — for either political party to take the process our Founders created as a last resort against a tyrannical leader and use it instead as a tool for the tyranny of a political majority.

    Rick Scott is a Republican senator from Florida.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/02/06/nancy-pelosi-house-representatives-impeachment-power-trump-verdict-constitution-column/4670903002/

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    • duperez

       /  7th February 2020

      Since Pelosi doesn’t want to be first to go honourable and ethical and non-partisan what chance Scott finds someone from his party to lead the way? How about him?

      Let’s jump in the time machine, go back a couple of weeks and have an action replay. Scott can make a grand announcement: “We are going to hear from witnesses who have direct evidential information about the impeachment charges.”

      No? Because it is just a ‘political attack?’ No President should face any charges because any would be a political attack?

      Public officials need to be protected from partisan attacks? He’s so upset he’s introducing a constitutional amendment about impeaching public officials. The country should never again suffer through the kind of partisan charade that has consumed Washington over the past several months he says. Maybe it could be called the Yovanovitch amendment.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  7th February 2020

        I presume his amendment would protect all public officials from the impeachment process. However the US system empowers its administration to make political appointments and ambassadorships are amongst those frequently turned over when the administration changes. Yovanovitch has no cause for complaint.

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        • duperez

           /  8th February 2020

          Contemplate a public servant (just saying that will have some spewing or becoming enraged) simply went about their job for years, doing whatever was expected then did an ordinary something which upset Winston Peters.

          He blasts them in the media, makes nasty implications and accusations about them in tweets and broadcasts his antipathy about them to the world.

          What would happen? In New Zealand granted a handful of his supporters would jump on board and have a go at his target. Mostly though Peters would be attacked, smacked down in response and reaction. The onset would be fierce.

          If Yovanovitch has no cause for complaint it’s because the vast population in her country includes the expected range of intellect, millions with their own sense of propriety, millions of bar-room brawling mentality neanderthals and many millions who want or have become used to an anything goes environment. And simply accept that. Yovanovitch has no cause for complaint because that’s her country, that’s how things go. That’s how it’s done. Now. (As an aside, it’s a weird, suspicious sounding name. Do you think she’s a spy? I heard her family came from Russia.)

          I’m trying to visualise other presidents maligning public servants.

          What happens here if a minister here chucks a public servant under the bus, even a mini bus, with any sort of slight? For personal pique.

          However your comment has prompted me to rethink Scott’s amendment and the power of using it as a reminder of present times. Let’s honour President Trump. He’d kill on 5th Ave (metaphorically) to have his name etched in statutes.

          Call it the Yovanovitch-Trump Amendment. I bags tell him.😊

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  8th February 2020

            Imagine for a nanosecond what Winston would do if an ex ambassador attacked him publicly in an attempt to get him sacked. I doubt the attacks on him would be half as savage as the Left’s equivalent attacks on Trump. But you can fantasise otherwise.

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            • Duker

               /  8th February 2020

              If she did attack Trump publicly she should have resigned first, without doubt.
              She didnt attack him publicly before she was removed from her job, after 33 yrs in State department.

            • duperez

               /  8th February 2020

              First I have to fantasise about her attacking him publicly in an attempt to get him sacked. The transmission gets a little fuzzy around her bad-mouthing the President around Parnas. Who is a not to be trusted pariah, deeply compromised felon. Oh, unless he’s saying the woman attacked Trump publicly in an attempt to get him sacked.

              I know you can’t be referring to the ambassador attacking him publicly in an attempt to get him sacked simply because she answered questions at a hearing and accounted for events she knew about. I realise amongst some the biggest badge she could have got was for refusing to talk, and the worst treason, the biggest condemnation was in talking.

            • duperez

               /  8th February 2020

              “Yovanovitch then faced a slew of criticism from Fox News personalities and other right-wing media figures, who accused her of denigrating the president in private conversations. In March, Fox News host Laura Ingraham said that former Republican Rep. Pete Sessions sent a letter to Pompeo in May 2018 calling for the “expulsion” of Yovanovitch as ambassador to Ukraine “immediately.” The then-congressman said that he had evidence the ambassador had been critical of the Trump administration in private, though the current and former U.S. officials who spoke to Foreign Policy say that claim was unfounded.”

              If that sufficiently public damning evidence were a 100m x 100m shed it would blow away in the draft of a passing ebike.

        • Duker

           /  8th February 2020

          Yes, Ambassadors from Obamas time who were political appointments were unusually not just asked to hand in their resignation but leave the country by inauguration day ( which happened in NZ)
          Yovanovitch wasnt a political appointment but a career State department official. Trump ranted about getting rid of her, but it took some time…maybe she was good at her job.

          The Republicans didnt have a problem going after public official Hilary Clinton after the Benghazi incident …there was nothing there of course but they could have ‘impeached’ her if they had evidence…

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  6. An odd choice of photo.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  9th February 2020

      I’m only surprised that the number talking about it is only 24,900. 😀

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  7. Corky

     /  9th February 2020

    Our media is feasting on the fact the antarctic has recorded its hottest day on record. They are fixated on showing an ice shelf collapse into the sea. However, one meteorologist explained this part of Antarctica ( nearest point to Chile) receives hot winds similar to those experienced by Canterbury during summer. These climate scammers need to be jailed for their continued bs.

    Meanwhile in the real world…we have this problem to compound visual pollution:

    ”Wind Turbine Blades Can’t Be Recycled, So They’re Piling Up in Landfills. Companies are searching for ways to deal with the tens of thousands of blades that have reached the end of their lives.”

    Another hint for Simon. Just say you won’t be doing CC. That will guarantee many many votes from grateful intelligent people.

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    • A one-off high temperature is notable but only a small part of the story.

      Temperatures on the Antarctic continent have risen by almost 3C over the past 50 years, the organisation said, and about 87 percent of the glaciers along its west coast have “retreated” in that time.

      The glaciers have shown an “accelerated retreat” in the past 12 years, the WMO added, due to global warming.

      Last July, the Arctic region hit its own record temperature of 21C, logged by a base at the northern tip of Ellesmere Island in the Canadian Arctic.

      Warmer sea water under the ice is a bigger cause for concern.

      Scientists have discovered record warm water beneath Antarctica’s “doomsday glacier” for the first time, leading to concerns for the glacier whose collapse could contribute nearly a meter (approximately 3 feet) to global sea level rise.

      https://www.ecowatch.com/antarctica-doomsday-glacier-water-2644974237.html

      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/409102/antarctica-logs-hottest-temperature-on-record

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  9. Corky

     /  9th February 2020

    Ben Shapiro shows what mainstream media is about during a debate on guns.

    Shapiro said something like: ”the reason my grandparents are ashes in Europe is because they didn’t fear the tyranny of the state.”

    I fear the tyranny of the state..and I don’t give a fugg if people call me paranoid. Most Kiwis believe we are far removed from the worlds troubles…that we don’t have problems like other countries have.

    Well, we have tensions between Maori and European and the Crown that are one incident removed from civil war. Let’s not forget gangs, who will soon outnumber police. And we have immigration. All are powder keg issues.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  9th February 2020

      The gangs had better get a move on; they’ll need to double their numbers if they are to outnumber police.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  9th February 2020

        He’s in his 30s. How old were his parents when he was born if his grandparents were killed in the Holocaust ?

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        • Duker

           /  9th February 2020

          Its now say 75 years since the peak year of Holocaust, 1944. If Shapiro is 30s, say 35 that leaves say 40 years for his mother’s generation. A bit old for a mother who would be born in 1944, so likely his father was older with a younger wife born after the war.

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          • Corky

             /  9th February 2020

            Let’s see. The clip is only 5 minutes long. Why don’t you check..I may have made a mistake. The inanities you people fixate on is astounding. If I did the same I would never get around to writing my own opinions.

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            • Duker

               /  9th February 2020

              What does it matter if you were wrong, his father survived the Holocaust, his grandparents didn’t.

            • Corky

               /  10th February 2020

              It doesn’t matter, that’s the point. None of that matters in the context of this story. My comments about Tova do matter in the context of the Newshub story. But not in the context of this story…and your comments.

    • Duker

       /  9th February 2020

      Didn’t fear tyranny of the state? What nonsense, those Jews who lived in Poland which before WW1 was part of the Russian empire would have faced pogroms organised or sanctioned by the state for centuries. In medieval times they would have occurred in Germany too. Nothing could have prepared them for a demagogic leader who would do what he said he would , and had a surprising number of the general population who backed him all the way. The idea of some guns for some of Jewish population , only 0.75% in total, could have changed anything was obvious even to the pre war Jews , if not to this idiot.
      https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/germany-jewish-population-in-1933

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      • Corky

         /  10th February 2020

        You missed the point by a mile. But let’s not quibble. However, you are right about Hitler.
        He was one out of the box. Hence that saying about eternal vigilance ( preferably with a gun), so you may die on your feet…and not screaming in a gas chamber.

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        • Blazer

           /  10th February 2020

          Hitler was little different to many nationalistic leaders throughout history.

          Its calculated that 70 million people were casualties of WW2….over 64 million of them were not…Jews.

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          • Corky

             /  10th February 2020

            In my opinion there were many differences with Hitler as compared to other leaders. First, he went to war on the subjective side of his people and his enemies, way before he did anything in the physical world. Second, he made sure after his death there would be groups who’d continue his Jew hating campaign. Muslims immigrating to Europe has been an added bonus. antisemitism has skyrocketed since their arrival.

            ”Its calculated that 70 million people were casualties of WW2….over 64 million of them were not…Jew.”

            You dispute the figure of 6 million Jews killed in WW2?

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    • Blazer

       /  10th February 2020

      ever wondered how life could be better….well wonder no more…

      ‘Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take away from them the power to create money and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money.”-J.Stamp

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  10th February 2020

        Sounds like a plan. I understand money creation is the inevitable consequence of banks lending money. So let’s stop all this lending business. What could possibly go wrong?

        “Neither borrower nor lender be…

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