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  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  10th February 2020

    The view from the other side:
    https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2020/02/07/what-a-week-im-one-of-the-luckiest-people-alive/

    Worth reading to understand the chasm between the two worlds, only one of which gets reported by our MSM.

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    • No truer words …
      “This is what happens, let this be a lesson to you, folks, in your personal life, this is what happens when you become consumed with hatred. Hatred is a poison. It destroys you because hatred can never be requited, hatred can never be rewarded, hatred can never make you happy. Hatred means you’re requiring something painful or bad to happen to other people. And that’s just not the way to happiness. That’s not the route to success of any kind. And it’s where the Democrat Party is. And I’ll break this down, and I’ll explain it in great, great detail as the program unfolds…”

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      • Corky

         /  10th February 2020

        Too true…the hate-filled Left. Just spark them up and let them simmer. Their language is a sign post leading to their black souls: Rich Pricks. Da Fillfy Witch. Rightwing Idiots, Shysters,
        Orange Freak.Jew Hating. Liberal hypocrisy. The list is long and bleak.

        It’s not that the RIGHT don’t use derogatory terms, it’s just those terms don’t carry they same venom and hate as those used by the Left: Pinko, wowser, commie, Greenie and comrade…. yeah, about as venomous as a sparrow.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  10th February 2020

          Does anyone actually say ‘da fillfy witch’ ?

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  10th February 2020

            Shyster has been around for almost 200 years and just means a fraudster or dishonest person. It’s from a German word.

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        • Corky

           /  10th February 2020

          In fact the etymology of Shyster is still disputed regardless of the below quote from the New York Law Journal.

          ”As Garner points out, however, the word shyster “has long been an enigma to English-language etymologists.” But the enigma was “conclusively” solved in 1982 when one Gerald Cohen wrote Origin of the Term “Shyster.” Shyster, it turns out, was born, of all places, here in New York City. Perhaps that should come as no surprise given the number of lawyers in this town.”

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  11th February 2020

            That doesn’t mean that it’s not a c.19 expression or that it’s not from the German word which is something like ‘scheisser’.

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        • Duker

           /  11th February 2020

          Corky just doesnt realise the rights words ARE venom and hate…
          Ask the ‘corrupt old hag’ Hilary about all that venom.
          Or Pelosi, even Trump called her a ‘nasty vindictive horrible person’ and his supporters far far worse.
          Who can forget Trumps comments about ‘fat Meghan McCain’, the ‘Bitch Katy Tur’
          and
          “If I were running The View, I’d fire Rosie [O’Donnell]. I mean, I’d look her right in that fat, ugly face of hers, and say, ‘Rosie, you’re fired,’”
          ““I’ll probably sue Rosie… It would be fun. I’d like to take some money out of her fat-ass pockets.”
          “To friends and advisers, he’d bitterly refer to the NBC News reporter simply as “That bitch with the tranny dad.”
          Her biological father is named Zoey Tur “

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  11th February 2020

            What about his remarks about the reporter who was supposedly having a period or the obscenity about Hillary Clinton being ‘schlonged’ on her way to the stage….or his revolted comments about her going to the loo, as if this bodily function was utterly digusting in a woman ? And didn’t he say that he wouldn’t have jumped on someone because she wasn’t young and attractive enough (or words to that effect) ?

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    • Duker

       /  10th February 2020

      A ‘convicted’ drug addicts story of redemption ?…..I bet thats not there

      ‘Prosecutors seized Mr. Limbaugh’s records after learning that he had received about 2,000 painkillers, prescribed by four doctors in six months, at a pharmacy near his house in Palm Beach.”

      And you would sneer his his hypocrisy if you knew this
      “Before his own problems became public, Mr. Limbaugh had decried drug use and abuse and had mocked President Bill Clinton for saying he had not inhaled when he tried marijuana. He often made the case that drug crimes deserve punishment.

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  10th February 2020

        Arrested but not convicted. He became addicted to painkillers after surgery. I think a lot of folks can relate to this…

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        • Duker

           /  10th February 2020

          He doesnt say it was the ‘surgery’ , only you do
          Limbaugh says it was a so called ‘back pain’ that led his drug abuse
          The ear surgery was because of the prolonged drug abuse
          “But research shows that abusing opiate-based painkillers can also cause profound hearing loss.”

          And his hypocrisy for years about drug addicts ?
          Plea deal meant he would have admitted to his crime. You are just playing with words.
          How does admitted drug addict sound?

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          • Conspiratoor

             /  10th February 2020

            ‘Only me’. Do some research before you dig that hole deeper

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            • Duker

               /  10th February 2020

              You said it ….Limbaugh didnt. Why contest it ..thats all we need here another full caliber [redacted]

          • duperez

             /  10th February 2020

            Leave Limbaugh alone. The surgery might have made him an arsehole, or drug addiction could have done it. And profound hearing loss is reality for a lot of arseholes. Do some research. If you can’t find the reasons just accept that he was born like that so it’s not his fault. 🙂

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            • Duker

               /  10th February 2020

              The hearing loss was from his sustained drug use, as research indicated.

  2. Duker

     /  10th February 2020

    https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/12/the-secret-of-donald-trumps-success-bhc06/

    Its true he actually uses the makeup colour called -“Orange”
    I wonder how that will play with ‘white older males without college degree’ who are supposed to be Trumps biggest supporters. That in fact hes using the makeup of the coastal elites.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  10th February 2020

      I’m guessing they don’t give a damn so long as he keeps doing good stuff, Duker. That’s what distinguishes them from the TDS afflicted Left.

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        • lurcher1948

           /  10th February 2020

          Only rightwing idiots would vote for an elderly freak like this,hes a freak
          https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQNOeRxWoAM9ae3?format=jpg&name=small
          if this old shyster is your hero, you have a lonely life

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          • Conspiratoor

             /  10th February 2020

            He’s not the oldest geezer in the race lurch. What about this fella?

            https://giphy.com/gifs/donald-trump-bernie-sanders-KhVZnioncFnBm

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          • Corky

             /  10th February 2020

            Photoshopped, Lurchy. But don’t let the truth get in the way of a good lie

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            • Photoshopped by whom?

              That photo was published by the White House.

            • Corky

               /  10th February 2020

              William Moon.

              More Fake News. This was photoshopped, obviously, but the wind was strong and the hair looks good? Anything to demean! https://t.co/t8ptYMCYHf

              — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 8, 2020

            • duperez

               /  10th February 2020

              Filters and edit functions on some camera programmes can distort effects. You push a button and automatically exaggerations happen. They can be used for deliberate distortions. The programme I use for editing photos on Apple laptop is like that. Pushing the ‘automatic edit’ function is fine for some images while not for others. Further fine tuning is needed.

              “But the photographer William Moon, whose social media presence indicates he is a Trump supporter, told BuzzFeed News the photo was not photoshopped but that he “used the Apple smartphone’s photo app to adjust the color of the picture.”
              But the photographer William Moon, whose social media presence indicates he is a Trump supporter, told BuzzFeed News the photo was not photoshopped but that he “used the Apple smartphone’s photo app to adjust the color of the picture.”

              https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tanyachen/president-trump-confusing-color-lines-meme

            • Corky

               /  10th February 2020

              Correct,Duperez. It may not have been photoshopped in the traditional sense…but adjustments to ther orginal were made. If he was a Trump supporter, what was he doing releasing such a photo? This guy is nuts to think the feral Left and social media haters wouldn’t have a field day?

            • Duker

               /  10th February 2020

              So this is what a ‘deplorable’ looks like …. covered in Boosting Hydrating Concealer #6
              “Trump loved Tic Tacs. But not an arbitrary amount. He wanted, in his bedroom bureau at all times, two full containers of white Tic Tacs and one container that was half full. The same rule applied to the Bronx Colors-brand face makeup from Switzerland that Trump slathered on…”
              Secrets from the Housekeepers at Trumps Gold Resort

          • That the likes of yourself and Duker are still going after Trump’s hair and skin colour says it all.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  10th February 2020

              As the other colours look right, it may well be that this is the original…the paler version looks washed out and his hands are very pale.

              He looks very old in this photo.

            • duperez

               /  10th February 2020

              Sort of childish eh Maureen? Could you ever imagine a really mature person doing that? Could you imagine, say, an American President acting in that vein?

            • Duker

               /  10th February 2020

              Its not his ‘skin colour’ its the colour of womans liquid make up he uses

            • MaureenW

               /  10th February 2020

              I just find going after someone’s looks endlessly is what I expect from bitchy females .. didn’t pick you or lurch as females.

            • Blazer

               /  10th February 2020

              are you a ‘bitchy female’…Maude…not stereotyping ..naturellement.

            • MaureenW

               /  10th February 2020

              No, but you clearly are Brenda ..

            • Blazer

               /  10th February 2020

              I am an alpha male…’Wendy’!

            • MaureenW

               /  10th February 2020

              I think not Bessie .. your petty bitchiness suggests you’re more a phi guy.

            • Duker

               /  11th February 2020

              Maureen..Maureeeeeeen. This is Trump we are talking about, some one who has taken the personal insult to the highest levels in his position….suddenly you are a bit twee when it comes to push back to the Bronx #6- in -Chief.
              Anyway its not like Im saying he has ‘small hands’ or anything …wait didnt his people photoshop a photo of Trumps fingers to ‘make them seem bigger’.
              If Joan Rivers were still alive she would have his ‘head on a pike’ over his makeup tricks

              “The tech website Gizmodo reported this week that it found at least three retouched photographs on Trump’s social media pages since October, including two in the past few days, in which his body and face have been slimmed, his face and neck wrinkles tightened, his hair cleaned up — “and in one of the strangest alterations, Trump’s fingers have been made slightly longer.”- WP

      • Blazer

         /  10th February 2020

        and you Al?
        ‘Thin Lizzy’ is my…guess.

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  3. Corky

     /  10th February 2020

    I really hope Sir Bob Jones destroys this woman in court. A typical sniveling Maori who is chronically offended at what is obvious satire. A little like the Black Power ( the gang) news paper used to publish about Europeans..except it wasn’t satire.

    However, Sir Bob is up against it. Things will depend on the judge and the jury( if there is one). They are both likely to be riddled with PC. A Maori woman against a rich white elderly male? Obviously Sir Bob is at fault. Just because he has money……blah blah blah!

    Of course, one good thing about having money is you can fight back. You don’t have to go down on your knees and take a kicking like Garrick Tremain.

    Talking of hypocrisy, Taika Waititi has won an Oscar. Good on him, but wasn’t he the face of an anti racism campaign? ”Give racism no energy, or something like that,” was the catch cry.
    Then why is his film,Jojo Rabbit littered with jokes about Jews? WHAT’S’ THAT? Oh, it was a film, so the racism was in context given the theme of Jojo Rabbit. Really?

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/409187/sir-bob-jones-maori-gratitude-day-column-clearly-tongue-in-cheek-lawyer

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    • Blazer

       /  10th February 2020

      dead right Corky..you can make jokes about Irish,Italians,French,Aussies …anyone except…Jews.

      As for the knighted hood Bob the knob…what he did at R.J.I is criminal imo.

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      • Corky

         /  10th February 2020

        The Jewish jokes weren’t the point. This hypocrite put himself out there. He stood up for something. Therefore, shouldn’t he practice what he preaches..or is that only a part time job?

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  11th February 2020

        What did Sir Robt do to RJI? This is his account:
        https://nopunchespulled.com/2020/01/23/journalist-incompetence/

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        • Blazer

           /  11th February 2020

          Jones omits to mention his decree that his majority shareholding in RJI ,could well make him the ‘richest man in the world’!
          Also forgets to mention any of the incompetent americans names ,who came to preside over Trans Tasman ,after R.J.I became a basket case under his own guidance.
          R.J.I shares plunged from over $16 to penny dreadful status, as Jones exhorted s/holders…’don’t sell’….while he was busy dumping his load.
          That’s called insider trading,and Gaynor mentioned it numerous times in print over the years, to the annoyance of a prominent,opinionated…knighted hood.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  11th February 2020

      There won’t be a jury in the Bob Jones case.

      It’s not a criminal case.

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      • Duker

         /  12th February 2020

        Defamation can have a jury.. some recent ones here did, the courts dont like it though. and of course a jury might stick up for ‘Sir Robert’ so Miss Toronto film maker elected judge only

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  4. Blazer

     /  10th February 2020

    ‘A group of five Jewish women are eating lunch in a busy cafe. Nervously, their waiter approaches the table. “Ladies,” he says. “Is anything okay?”

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  10th February 2020

      A group of women were having lunch and talking about where one should go for a holiday. Someone suggested Florida. ‘Oh, no,’ said the one who was going on the holiday, ‘there are so many Jews there, the place is full of them.’ How about a cruise, another woman asked. ‘The same problem, darling…too, too many of ‘the chosen people.’ ‘ Everywhere that was suggested was turned down for the same reason.

      A Jewish woman at the next table finally had enough.

      ‘Vy don’t you go to Hell for your holiday, you shikse ? You won’t find any Jews THERE !’

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    • Corky

       /  10th February 2020

      I think you guys should leave the jokes to the pros. Kitty is right about Florida though. Even Judge Judy said New York Jews retire to Florida..and never come back.

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      • Blazer

         /  10th February 2020

        how?..Corky ..how many ears in a day?..Mikey,Plunkett,Kerre,MSM…how do you ..do it?

        ever heard of thinking for..yourself…you cardboard cut out ,indoctrinated right wing..droogue?

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        • Corky

           /  10th February 2020

          Since when have I ever needed anyone to do my thinking for me? I quote Mikey and others when I think they are RIGHT…as they invariably are. In fact I have other posters living off my original thoughts because they have none of their own.

          If I wasn’t thinking for myself, I would be supporting hate speech;not free speech. I would think Palestinians are really nice people. I would believe all rich people are crooks. I would believe the gummint owes me a living. I would think President Trumpy was all bad..and Bernie, the salt of the earth. I would believe in fairness, and that everyone should not have more money than others. In other words, I would be a clone of you. No thanks.

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          • Blazer

             /  10th February 2020

            wonderful..you have just confirmed that you do not understand human nature…and provided definitive evidence that you are enthralled to a system that you do not understand and do not want to ..question.

            You are one poor SF.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  11th February 2020

              I wonder who the posters are who supposedly live off Corky’s original thoughts ? That would be a starvation diet, I think.

            • Corky

               /  11th February 2020

              Was I mentioned again…and again…and again?😂

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  11th February 2020

              No.

  5. Corky

     /  11th February 2020

    Mikey applying the hurt this morning. He informed us Labour has put no mining on conservation land on hold ( they need the West Coast vote). Jacinda has said Labour is the ”party of infrastructure.” That had Mikey in fits of laughter.Let’s hope he composes himself enough to drive his Porsche home. No doubt about it… the life of a RIGHTIE isn’t an easy thing.

    The problem is ”do voters care enough about the huge discrepancy between Labour’s korero and their mahi?” Can they see past the smiling facade of Mother Redeemer Jacinda and the vacuous space behind that smile. Will voters be able to see past the largesse in the upcoming budget? Over to you, Simon.

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    • duperez

       /  11th February 2020

      The life of a righty ISN’T an easy thing. Driving the Porsche the couple of kilometres home is complete torture. Those bloody buses clogging the roads, and cones cones cones and the horrific possibility of seeing someone on a bike.
      Oh for the chance to rev ‘er up and get to a speed matching half the IQ of most of the ardent fans. 30kmph anyone?

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      • Corky

         /  11th February 2020

        Bikes are evil. Cycle ways are a waste of space. This isn’t Amsterdam. Most Kiwis have an aversion to bikes for the simple reason they are uncool, and are the domain of bearded Greenies, the rich Labour voting middle class…and other assorted misfits. I believe you own a mountain bike,Duperez. 😃

        https://www.treehugger.com/bikes/amsterdam-there-such-thing-too-many-bikes-880k-city-800k.html

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  11th February 2020

          You own a bike yourself, or so you claim. You were boasting about a (20km ?) ride that you took on it not that long ago.

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        • duperez

           /  11th February 2020

          You remember the fuss? Motor cars are evil, roadways are for horses? How did that go? Bugger they didn’t believe you.

          Congratulations on having a GPS though and realising where this isn’t. 😊

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  11th February 2020

            I don’t remember the fuss, but there probably was one.

            Own goal for Corky, alas.

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        • Corky

           /  11th February 2020

          Correct. I own a very expensive mountain bike that is used solely for execise purposes on an irregular basis. I love the bike and the great workout it gives me. That’s it.

          Sorry to burst your bubble.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  11th February 2020

            Nice try, but not quite good enough to be convincing, especially given your earlier comments about bikes and cycleways…and Duperez’s mountain bike. Had you forgotten that you supposedly rode a bike yourself ?

            “Must try harder.’

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    • Duker

       /  11th February 2020

      “Neither Labour’s Coalition Agreement with New Zealand First, nor Labour’s Confidence and Supply agreement with the Green Party specifically mentions extending Schedule 4” [ the part that prevents mining]
      As usual the Hosk is being a partisan poodle.
      Would be interested to know which mine Corky has in mind…..there is a mine that has got approval ….. wait Corky hasnt the foggiest idea, just loves being Hoskings parrot…sqwark

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  11th February 2020

        Unfair to poodles who are very intelligent animals.

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        • Duker

           /  11th February 2020

          Yes its Afghans that are dumb. But Hosking is pretty smart, hes very careful wording in his partisan hackery.
          This conservation land thing was a vague election aspiration which he ‘inflates’ to being some sort government policy which isnt …but he knows the Greens cant refute his claims about ‘a policy’ as they will just high light something that was election puffery.
          Hes very clever about what he says…much much better at it than Bridges. whos talents as a prosecutor were going after obviously guilty people , something he could do with his eyes closed.

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  6. Johnny Overton

     /  11th February 2020

    Testing the waters to see if there’s an appetite in NZ for a radical anti globalisation establishment “Fortress NZ” like political party. Of course the name is up for debate. See my recent press release on Scoop news below.

    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2002/S00033/a-fortress-nz-political-party.htm

    The Chinese virus highlights how dangerous our globalized world has become & also how dependent we are on the rest of the world for our survival & security. Long supply lines are not our friend, but our “safe haven” isolation will be our salvation. A real wake up call.

    I’m simply testing the waters to see if there is an appetite for a Fortress NZ type party. This exercise is not about firing up nationalistic fervour. It’s about good old fashioned common sense in the face of growing existential threats to our nation & people. It’s also about trying to generate interest in growing a broad based anti-globalistion movement in NZ.

    The world is becoming more volatile every day, so we must remove the globalisation parties & elite, & take matters into own hands. This would involve bringing about the installation of an effective government, which is prepared to take radical moves to ensure our nation can stand its own two own feet, & look after its own.

    This will mean taking drastic measures to reduce our dependence on both imports & exports, turn off the immigration tap, upgrade our infra-structure & sort out our housing problems & safeguard our resources & environment. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
    Yes radical measure such as these will mean some hardship & personal sacrifice for all, but at the end of the day, ensuring our nations survival & the continuance of our way of life should be our first priority.

    The Gobalisation spell we live under:
    Today our country is run by an unholy alliance between old & new liberals. On the one hand we have the old left leaning (social) progressive liberals & on the other we have the newer right leaning (economic) neo-liberals. All our mainstream political parties contain a mixture of such people & they all believe in furthering globalisation.

    Wrecking ball globalisation has had a devastating & demoralising effect on the well-being of our people & led to the foreign ownership & control of our nation, & the degradation of our infra-structure & environment. All the main aspects of NZ society are now controlled by the scourge of past its use by date liberalism & short term thinking governance.

    These are dark & dangerous times for patriotic New Zealanders, as the ideas & opinions of those of us with radical fortress NZ like views are being brutally shut down on every front. The attack on free speech is in evidence everywhere, & it is leading to the creation of a society that is controlled by liberal PC Orwellian gatekeepers. Many among us live in fear of actually saying what they think, which is a terrifying situation to be in.

    Try getting your radically alternative, anti liberal establishment, patriotic or green-nationalism opinions across on supposedly open minded blog sites like the “Daily Blog” or “Spinoff” & you’ll find they’ll be censored/suppressed. The same thing happens when trying to comment on mainstream media outlets like “Stuff”. I have personal experience of this & now I’m pretty much banned from commenting on all these supposed bastions of “Free speech”.There is still one bright spot though & that is “Scoop News”.

    I’m now of the view that only a genuinely radical, patriotic political party, which advocates replacing our globalisation establishment with a broad based national unity or salvation government, will be able to save our nation from the destructive forces of our liberal globalisation elite & their despicable mind control.

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    • Duker

       /  11th February 2020

      Salvation ?
      Too silly for words …are these people ex Social Credit swivel eyed loons

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      • Blazer

         /  11th February 2020

        the Social Credit movement was founded on logic and eminently workable.

        That you have such disdain for it and trot out the establishment, default,invective means either you know absolutely nothing about it or are a supporter of a failing financial status quo.

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      • Corky

         /  11th February 2020

        Swivel eyed loon??! The water situation up North must be dire, Duker.

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        • Conspiratoor

           /  11th February 2020

          Worse than dire Corky. Ordered this morning with a 2+ week wait. With rain at least three weeks away we are going to get fairly smelly

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          • Duker

             /  11th February 2020

            Ordered this morning?
            Expecting nanny state to come to the rescue,. The answer is no.
            Up north should have a standing water tanker order EVERY end of Jan. After all if the tank is fullish order can be cancelled say a week before .
            After all might not be real rain for another 6 weeks.

            Social credit is stupid , never could work, they never even came close to do what they could in Alberta…just pretended all their promises were just nothing

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            • Conspiratoor

               /  11th February 2020

              “Up north should have a standing water tanker order EVERY end of Jan”,

              Genius!

            • Blazer

               /  11th February 2020

              Stop talking b/s..the Alberta revelation was stymied by Central Govt…you should have seen that when you were frantically..googling.

              make a case for why SC cannot work..if you can.

            • Duker

               /  11th February 2020

              Don’t complain when Council cuts off bulk supply – and contractor cancels on you-to conserve water …you know for those pay for the infrastructure and buy water every month and not …maybe once a year.
              Maybe that will give a good lesson for you that little thing called supply and demand….
              If you had a standing order rather than wait till it’s 90% empty you would have the water by now….too rich to spend money wisely I’m presuming

            • Conspiratoor

               /  11th February 2020

              You presume too much Duker. Whangarei doesn’t lack for summer rainfall compared to most other districts. …you should have seen that when you were frantically..googling

            • Duker

               /  11th February 2020

              How are your avocadoes/kiwifruit doing?

            • Conspiratoor

               /  11th February 2020

              Better than my hydroponics

    • Conspiratoor

       /  11th February 2020

      To build a fortress you first have to have some means of defending yourself. That horse bolted when our chardonnay socialists gave uncle sam the one fingered salute

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      • Blazer

         /  11th February 2020

        care to expand on that con…Key Govt was up the U.S arse big time.

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        • Conspiratoor

           /  11th February 2020

          No fan of key but he had no show once the ink had dried on the fta with Chna. The rot started decades before

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  7. Corky

     /  11th February 2020

    Jacinda is becoming confused as the pressure goes on in election year.The spokeswoman for licensed gun owners has been telling talkback land about more of Jacindas confusion
    regarding the leak of gun owners information. Also it looks like legislation regarding a gun register hasn’t been changed despite submissions. No surprise there. This government is ideologically driven and they hate individualism.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12307585

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  8. duperez

     /  11th February 2020

    As expected, David Carter ex-Speaker pulls the pin. Arise Sir David.

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    • Duker

       /  11th February 2020

      And Sarah Dowie has decided not to run again to avoid ‘questions’ . She did say at the time she was going to run for re-election.
      I quests this was a coordinated ‘ news dump’ today after the first poll of the year was out and after Bridges ‘feed his chooks’ as usual on a Monday…would want questions about rodents and sinking ships

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      • Corky

         /  11th February 2020

        ”Questions about rodents and sinking ships.”

        That’s an old Lefty narrative whenever National has a ‘clean out.’ In fact, it’s one reason National usually has the jump on Labour, because of…talent v regurgitated has-beens and sub par new Labour blood.

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    • Duker

       /  11th February 2020

      As for Carter ….ask Bercow who will tell you ‘old conventions arent supposed to remain that way’…well he did until it directly affected him.
      Story going around that was being told by Bercow – when he was a conservative MP before becoming Speaker he never found any anti-semitism towards him from Labour Mps- he was from a working class jewish background.
      The Tories were different, he said . With one Tory Mp saying to his face ” If it was up to me, people like you Berkoff wouldnt be allowed in the party “

      Reply
  9. Duker

     /  11th February 2020

    Caught Lying:
    National’s car tax ad misleading: Advertising Standards Authority Appeal Board
    “But the appeal board stood by the earlier decision that the ad was misleading and agreed it implied a significant fee would be charged to the ordinary [motorist]

    The board did not believe National’s explanation that the $6000 fee was based on the purchase of a Nissan Patrol was clear in the ad and it did not give an explanation of how the fee was calculated.”
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12307649

    Reply
    • Corky

       /  11th February 2020

      I doubt voters will worry too much about that, Duker. However, this Serious Fraud Office investigation into Winston will tarnish Jacinda by association.

      I see Sean Plunket has suggested the government go to the polls now because of the crumbling coalition arrangement. That’s what I suggested a month ago. I mean, you didn’t have to be a genius to see nothing, apart from the budget, would be good news for this government.

      Time for Simon to put out the suggestion of an early election. Then let the media and voters take it from there.

      Reply
      • Kitty Catkin

         /  11th February 2020

        Why would he do that ? The law in NZ wouldn’t allow it to happen. Elections here have to be three years apart, but can go over this by two months. No one can change this.

        The press and voters have no more say in this than Parliament does.

        Reply
        • Duker

           /  11th February 2020

          Yes they can. PM can call an election at any time, with the GG consent. The law only says the maximum time between elections not minimum.
          Shipley tried to call an early election in 98 but was knocked back ( said Whaleoil) Clark succeeded in 2002 with a split within the Alliance party

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  11th February 2020

          They can only call one in exceptional circumstances, not at the whim of the PM and not at the whim of the press. A vote of no confidence would be one thing that could cause a snap election. A radio announcer’s wish would not influence it. Nor could the public demand it, I think.

          Reply
      • Corky

         /  11th February 2020

        Duker: Explain to Kitty about the GG,

        Reply
        • Kitty Catkin

           /  11th February 2020

          Snap elections can be held in extreme circumstances,of course. I didn’t see the need to spell this out as Sean Plunket wanting one is hardly likely to be considered grounds for parliament to be dissolved early and a snap election held. Simon Bridges wouldn’t waste his time trying to make this happen. The Governor General is unlikely to do anything like this when there is nothing happening that could possibly justify it

          The press and the voters cannot make this decision, of course. There would be no point at all in suggesting it.

          Reply
        • Corky

           /  11th February 2020

          Literalism killed the cat…not curiosity!

          Reply
        • Kitty Catkin

           /  11th February 2020

          Oh, do drop that silly literalism thing, it’s false, it’s old, it’s tired.It’s exactly like you, really, which must be why you cling to it.

          You say a thing and when this is challenged, you try to pretend that you didn’t mean it like that. It’s impossible that you meant that an early election could be anything but literal. How could it be metaphorical or figurative (if you don’t know these long words, look them up, I can’t be bothered to explain them in words of one syllable)

          In your opinion, it’s time for Simon Bridges to call for an early election…but he would never do this because there is no justification for it. The media and voters would have no say in it. Look up the reasons for snap elections being called.

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  10. Wonderful to see all the support for Rush Limbaugh, that archetypal All-American white male bigot.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/in-honoring-rush-limbaugh-trump-celebrated-racial-division

    And I think there’s more than a touch of irony that Limbaugh managed to evade the Vietnam War draft because he had a boil on his behind.

    Boils? Bone spurs? Draft dodgers.

    Reply
    • Corky

       /  11th February 2020

      ”Boils? Bone spurs? Draft dodgers.”

      High IQ?

      Reply
      • Kitty Catkin

         /  11th February 2020

        Not really. Low cunning and obliging doctors, more like. But draft dodging is not a sign of a high IQ.

        Reply
      • Corky

         /  11th February 2020

        What is cunning intelligence?

        When you use your intelligence to harm, control or manipulate others, it is called cunning. When you use your intelligence to motivate or positively influence the outcome of a situation, it is called clever.

        Cunning is an IQ skill/gift that sniffy pseudo intellectuals ignore at their peril.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  11th February 2020

          Drivel as usual.

          I said low cunning, not cunning intelligence.

          ‘IQ skill’ is meaningless. Everyone HAS an IQ, even the stupidest.

          There is nothing intellectual about having a bone spur or a boil on the bum. These are not signs of a high !Q. If you think that it’s a sign of a high IQ to dodge the draft, though, there’s little point in trying to convince you of the fallacy of this idea.

          Reply
          • Kitty Catkin

             /  11th February 2020

            And don’t try to wriggle out of of it by smirking and claiming that you didn’t mean it literally.

            Reply
  11. Reply
    • Pink David

       /  11th February 2020

      The dems can be very relaxed about this coming election then can’t they.

      Reply
      • Duker

         /  11th February 2020

        No . Since the undemocratic Electoral College mean that Clinton lost even with 48% to 46% and nearly 3 mill votes margin.
        Surely you didnt think that Trump was you know a winner with ALL the voters, even if a lot of people were told Clinton was going to win anyway.
        No ones making that mistake this time and turnout will be colossal, the mid term turnout % was the highest since 1919 and swept scores of republicans.

        I reckon the winners margin this time will be 5 mill and that person will win the EC as well. Its not Trump as his support is strong in places but nationwide

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        • Pink David

           /  11th February 2020

          Well, I believe Trump will win by a significant margin.

          “Since the undemocratic Electoral College mean that Clinton lost even with 48% to 46% and nearly 3 mill votes margin.”

          Hillary won a game no one was playing.

          Reply
          • Duker

             /  11th February 2020

            That’s not the question , Nationwide polls mirror the Nationwide vote is my point.
            Trump’s support isnt as broad as for other 8 yr presidents and his ratings are appalling for someone with the economy in this position. He’s loosing suburban voters , the Orange County in California was long a republican stronghold , Trump lost it for them.
            The signs aren’t good for Trump and turnout will sweep the orange face deplorable away.
            If he thinks impeachment was a partisan manoever , wait till he’s out of office.
            Trump they are going to come after your criminal arse.

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  13. Corky

     /  11th February 2020

    Like all good RIGHTIES…Sir Bob knows how to improvise, even if he looks like a Cyberman from Dr Who. Now if he was a Leftie he would be asking da court for a free hearing aid to take home at the taxpayers expense. The judge looks and sounds like a no-nonsense sheila, so maybe Sir Bob can beat the odds stacked against him.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/02/sir-bob-jones-loses-hearing-aid-before-defamation-hearing-forcing-court-to-improvise.html

    Reply
    • “I’ve never read her petition, I admit that, all I know is that I was aware she was running a petition on the knighthood proposition, which is insulting.”

      “I formed the view that her motives were dishonest… I don’t have to read what she wrote.”

      He just presumed it could be defamatory.

      Could his reputation be damaged any more?

      “How much do we tolerate of ridiculous offence-taking,” Sir Robert said.

      Says a legal offence taker.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  12th February 2020

        He reads the newspapers so would have read the reports on what she said and was trying to do. So he set his lawyers onto it. Rich prick fights rent a mob.

        Reply
        • Rich prick advantage of our legal system.

          Rich prick who claims his own free speech is good, but not for his critics.

          Reply
          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  12th February 2020

            So sue him and we’ll see who is right.

            Reply
          • Duker

             /  12th February 2020

            Did Jones slander her in a personal way …no he didnt. So its not an equivalence…and never would be .
            Same goes on your web site , you wouldnt tolerate , nor should you, any personal slurs. Doesnt mean you arent open to others views because of that caveat.

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    • Corky

       /  11th February 2020

      He doesn’t need to read the petition…it is after all a petition with a purpose that 80, 000 people who have signed it, understand what it’s calling for. I would assume Sir Roberts lawyer would known he hadn’t read the petition. If the lawyer doesn’t know that, he doesn’t deserve to be called a lawyer.

      ”Says a legal offence taker.”

      Two different offences. One was satire and targeted no individual Maori (?) in particular as far as I know. The other targets an individual with lies. It then goes further with a campaign to strip him of his Knighthood because it is assumed he is racist. Isn’t that the same offence Sir Bob is accused of?

      The Twitter feed comments are interesting. That’s where the real story lies as far as I’m concerned. Talking of ”concern,” people should read them:

      Rosser Johnson
      @doctor_rosser
      Academic | Arsenal fan | Rides a motorcycle

      ”Knighted for services to dim + mediocre white men everywhere.”

      Yeah, I would like to do the numbers with this Academic. Let’s see who contributes more to the economy.. Sir Bob, or this ARSEnal fan? And what kind of bike does he ride..?

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      • Duker

         /  11th February 2020

        His lawyers would have read it and would have understood what it meant regarding defamation. Don’t know why he has Pilditch, he’s not known as a defamation specialist , a former criminal law specialist as Crown Solicitor in Rotorua …until the Nats decided Crim’s should take easy plea deals rather than be prosecuted and tried and slashed Crown Solicitors budgets.

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        • duperez

           /  11th February 2020

          What? “The Nats decided Crim’s should take easy plea deals rather than be prosecuted and tried and slashed Crown Solicitors budgets?” Surely not, they are the law ‘n’ order party. Well, I read they were anyway.🙂

          Reply
          • Corky

             /  11th February 2020

            ”Surely not, they are the law ‘n’ order party. Well, I read they were anyway.”

            Don’t believe everything you read. Meanwhile in Flaxmere…

            Reply
            • Duker

               /  12th February 2020

              Pilditch said so when he quit the position in Rotorua
              “Mr Pilditch said he had always planned on becoming an independent barrister in Auckland and recently announced funding changes meant now was a good time to move on.

              “There are changes on the way to the way Crown solicitors are structured and funded [that will mean a] reduction in funding to this office.
              “We had to look at the model that we had and the number of senior people that could be maintained. We had to restructure.

              Funding cuts meant less people , less people meant more easy plea bargains accepted. Its in his own words
              https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503438&objectid=11129759

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  12th February 2020

          We don’t have plea bargaining as such in NZ; that’s an American thing.

          The case where the Crown changed the charge from murder to manslaughter when two people killed a three year old was because it would have been impossible to prove that they deliberately set out to kill him (he died later of the injuries and ill-treatment inflicted on him) and they would have had to be acquitted. There was no chance that the manslaughter charge would not be proved, as they had inflicted the injuries on (Moko?)

          They had no say in the matter, as the then Minister of Justice said over and over when people who don’t realise that we don’t do everything as the US does. Indeed, they’d have everything to gain by being charged with murder, as they would probably have got off. Their aim seemed to be to torture and abuse, not kill and spoil their fun.

          Reply
          • Duker

             /  12th February 2020

            Wrong there. Plea deals are throught out the system , from district courts where the Judge gives an ‘indication of sentence’ for summary juristiction to the main courts where a reduced charges are negotiated , either dropping some more serious ones or changing to a charge that gets lesser penalty. The plea deal affects the charges but they dont get a deal on the sentence as always the judge makes the decision , subject to Appeal Court guidelines.

            Reply
            • Kitty Catkin

               /  12th February 2020

              We don’t have the US system of plea bargaining, it’s illegal here.

            • Duker

               /  12th February 2020

              You are completely incorrect , I just detailed our version. Whether its the US version I dont think even you are really familiar with their system.

              This is a petition calling an end to our plea bargain system
              https://www.lawsociety.org.nz/news-and-communications/latest-news/news/no-action-recommended-on-call-for-plea-bargaining-restrictions
              The committee says that until 2013, only the defence could initiate plea discussions. However, this meant that cases were not being resolved as efficiently as they could be, with plea discussions often taking place shortly before trial.
              It says Crown Law told it that it was “desirable and appropriate” for the prosecutor to initiate plea discussions.

              There you are both sides play the game.
              Its not just murders but all the way down the criminal cases, lesser charges are dropped in return for a guilty plea all the time .

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  12th February 2020

            One can’t offer to plead guilty to a lesser charge and expect the greater one to which one is pleading not guilty to be dropped as a result.

            Reply
      • Blazer

         /  12th February 2020

        ‘Let’s see who contributes more to the economy.. ‘…Jones is a drag on the economy.
        A concentration of wealth for one person built on inflation and rent seeking has a negative over all impact on society.

        Reply
  14. Duker

     /  11th February 2020

    “Says a legal offence taker.”

    Different . One was taking offence at ‘breakfast in bed’ and somthing that was more general
    Jones was taking offence at something directed at him personally, to the extent of removing his knighthood and a sort of public stocks for him.
    Be interesting if Rene Maihi gets in witness box too…and did she ever read any of Jones Previous work , or did lawyers do it for her to post facto justify her claims.
    Jones is ……hmm… Past his prime shall we say and should put his Mont Blanc down , I hear even his property company has to keep him away from the details because …..he’s past his prime….. As well all do of course…phew

    Reply
  15. Patzcuaro

     /  11th February 2020

    Eminent virologist Donald J Trump reassuring us all will be well in April when the heat comes in.

    Reply
    • Pink David

       /  12th February 2020

      “Eminent virologist Donald J Trump reassuring us all will be well in April when the heat comes in.”

      You do realise this is actually true don’t you? He talked to the virologists and listened.

      https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/spring-may-impact-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus/675372

      Reply
      • Kitty Catkin

         /  12th February 2020

        Well, it is less likely that people will pass bugs around in summer as they are spending less time in confined spaces, that can’t be denied… but I doubt if April will bring so much warm weather that it will be like summer and everyone will be outside as much as possible or inside with doors and windows open.

        Reply
      • Duker

         /  12th February 2020

        Trump talked to the virologists?

        Like he ‘talked’ to the meteorologists…and went and drew his own hurricane map anyway when he was outed as wrong/out of date

        Reply
        • Kitty Catkin

           /  12th February 2020

          Oh, yes, there are many eminent & knowledgeable virologists who are too modest to give their qualifications on places like Twitter.

          He probably does talk TO meteorologists, this doesn’t mean that he listens if they talk to him.

          Didn’t he have Kansas City in the wrong state ? I didn’t know that it wasn’t in Kansas, but HE should.

          Reply
          • Duker

             /  12th February 2020

            As for Kansas , Trumps one of those east coast elites ..if its not in NY, NJ or Florida then it doesnt exist

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  16. Think about three things that are extraordinary:

    – the president of the United States has injected himself into the sentencing of Roger Stone on the eve of sentencing
    – less than a day after filing support for a sentence of 7-9 years the Justice Department has done a 180 and followed the president’s lead, saying their own recommended sentence is too tough.
    – now all four prosecutors have quit

    this is a bad day for the Justice Department.

    Everyone knows that the president wants to pardon Roger Stone to silence him. So just do it.

    But, no. Too late. The cancer in the White House has spread to the DOJ and the reputation of the DOJ under Bill Barr is toast. Proof that you don’t need to fly planes into buildings to destroy a country.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  12th February 2020

      1 prosecutor quit. 3 withdrew from the case. Why on earth does it take 4 prosecutors to run such a minor case? Just trying to ramp up its significance,

      Reply
      • That’s based on one reported story, what one DOJ official “reportedly told Fox”.

        DOJ has not announced whether it will seek legal or ethical sanctions against any of the attorneys who allegedly lied to DOJ about their rogue sentencing scheme against Roger Stone.

        And nothing has happened apart from the allegation made to Fox.

        The sentence recommendation does sound steep to me, but this is in the US. This was the DOJ statement:

        “The defendant committed serious offenses and deserves a sentence of incarceration,” but based “on the facts known to the government, a sentence of between 87 to 108 months’ imprisonment, however, could be considered excessive and unwarranted under the circumstances. Ultimately, the government defers to the Court as to what specific sentence is appropriate under the facts and circumstances of this case,” the filing said.

        https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/doj-backpedalling-sentencing-recommendation-trump-ally-roger-stone-n1134961

        So Stone is still likely to get a prison sentence having “committed serious offenses”. The sentence is up to the judge to decide on.

        Meanwhile…

        …Trump trying to influence the sentencing and claiming Stone should never have been charged is contrary to the verdict and the DOJ position on the verdict and sentence looks like a highly attempt at inappropriate interference in judicial matters by a president. Is Trump trying to do even more than this privately?

        Reply
      • What a load of innuendo and misinformation from The Federalist. How gullible of you to be sucked in by such rubbish.

        The sentencing guidelines for Roger Stone were originally calculated by the probation office in accordance with standard sentencing guidelines.

        In Mondays Justice Department sentencing memo, prosecutors simply agreed that the probation office guidelines were appropriate given that Stone committed a series of felonies including obstruction of justice, witness tampering, and lying to Congress during the Mueller investigation.

        That JD sentencing memo went out over the name of Timothy Shea, newly appointed US Attorney and close friend of Bill Barr.

        Just a day (and a tweet from Trump) later and the very same Timothy Shea is arguing that a long sentence is inappropriate.

        This is the US government faulting itself for doing the very thing its policy requires.

        The reality is that Barr is revising DOJ’s sentencing recommendation to ensure that Roger Stone won’t get chatty about what the President really did to get elected.

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  17. If Trump’s interference in sentencing Roger Stone weren’t enough, a treasure trove of emails released overnight confirm that Trump’s Office of Management and Budget (OMB) “including the general counsel’s office” was fully in the loop about the Pentagon’s concerns over withholding aid to Ukraine “and took active steps to bury them. They also expose the extent to which OMB misled, and even lied to, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) … as the GAO tried to understand the circumstances surrounding the funding hold.”

    Amazing how these things have only come out after the Republican lick-spittles refuse to hear witnesses and evidence.

    https://www.justsecurity.org/68614/exclusive-new-unredacted-emails-show-how-deeply-omb-misled-congress-on-ukraine/

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    • Pink David

       /  12th February 2020

      “Amazing how these things have only come out after the Republican lick-spittles refuse to hear witnesses and evidence.”

      Why wasn’t this done in the House? That is where the investigation was conducted.

      Reply
      • “Why wasn’t this done in the House?”

        Have you been asleep for the past three months? Or are you deliberately ignoring the Trump Administration’s wholesale obstruction of the House Investigation, and the Republican lick-spittles’ refusal to hear witnesses and evidence in the Senate trial?

        Reply
    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  12th February 2020

      We wuz robbed say the Lefty poor losers. Trump is a wicked winner.

      Reply
    • Duker

       /  12th February 2020

      PD have you never heard of a trial without witnesses?
      The senators were jurors, the y had a presiding judge, and a team for prosecution and team for defence.
      It was a TRIAL

      Reply
  18. Duker

     /  12th February 2020

    Interesting data about those with gun licenses in NZ
    “For those who get a firearms licence as a teenager, 31 per cent have been convicted of an offence by the time they are 20. By the time they’re 30, 45 per cent of them have a conviction.
    “This is almost double the conviction rate of the rest of the population.”
    Who knew ….crims

    Reply
    • Corky

       /  12th February 2020

      That’s interesting. What was your source? Philip Alpers.com?

      Reply
      • Kitty Catkin

         /  12th February 2020

        NZ Police, probably, from what I have read elsewhere.

        The ones who are refusing to hand in now illegal guns will swell the numbers with convictions.

        Reply
    • Corky

       /  12th February 2020

      What’s your source , Duker?

      Reply
      • Corky

         /  12th February 2020

        Are you talking about firearms offences, or general non firearm related offences? If the latter, I have no interest in investigating the matter for obvious reasons.

        Reply
  19. Corky

     /  12th February 2020

    Watched parliment open for the year, as the pollies started throwing insults at each other. Sad to say, Jacinda out shone Simon with her word imagery that started thus: ”in the beginging’ Only David Seymour from the RIGHT scored at good hit on Winston. David knows who his enemy is, and he’s started to apply the hurt.

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  20. Corky

     /  13th February 2020

    The secret of Mikey’s superior intellect has been unveiled. He was talking to an athlete this morning who uses the Wim Hof method. Mikey admitted he was a fan of the method and always has cold showers.

    I’m not so brave, but all my showers have been cold since December. I will probably go through until May. There’s no doubt in my opinion cold showers and breathing exercises make you feel great and has been scientifically proven to put your immune system into over drive. Jacinda should seriously think about throwing her caucus into a pool filled with ice.
    Watching Willie Jackson become Wee Willy would be a sight to behold.

    Mikey also interviewed John Burko, former speaker of the British parliament. Burko said this present Labour government (UK) has no interest in claiming the middle ground that was so successful for Tony Blair. This present crop are hard Lefties who erroneously believe they can swing the public around to their ideology. Surely the penny should drop for these Lefties when Boris stands to address parliament as Britain’s PM? Apparently not. Americans take note. In Bernie you have a copy of the UK Labour Party ( maybe worse).

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