Open Forum – 13 February

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  1. Nothing stinks more than the most powerful person in the country literally changing the rules to benefit a crony found guilty of breaking the law.

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  2. lurcher1948

     /  13th February 2020

    Don’t hold back,who are you talking about?

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    • In a nutshell: Favouritism or retaliation in criminal investigations and prosecutions on the basis of political affiliations is the essence of tyranny.

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      • Pink David

         /  13th February 2020

        Doesn’t that exactly describe the continuous, empty, investigations of Trump for the last 4 years?

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        • Duker

           /  13th February 2020

          Not so . 34 people were indicted , most were Russians in the Muellar investigation, and the Big Donald would have been indicted too but for the ‘Special rule’ thats its the House of representatives job.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_charges_brought_in_the_Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017%E2%80%932019)
          Barr wouldnt release the full Muellar report and grand jury deliberations for the House to expand on Muellar.

          What you may be thinking of is the empty investigation(s) of Clinton and Benghazi…and her server
          Guess how many were into ‘Benghazi ‘? TEN
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigation_into_the_2012_Benghazi_attack

          Came up empty…Im sure thats what you meant ….hmmm non ?
          Just do better research next time as my lawnmower will mulch you

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          • Pink David

             /  13th February 2020

            “the Big Donald would have been indicted too but for the ‘Special rule’ thats its the House of representatives job.”

            Untrue.

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            • How gullible of you PD.

              Trump is still the unindicted coconspirator in the Michael Cohen case. Sure he would have been indicted, had his personal attorney Bill Barr not perverted the course of justice time and again.

          • Pink David

             /  13th February 2020

            “What you may be thinking of is the empty investigation(s) of Clinton and Benghazi…and her server
            Guess how many were into ‘Benghazi ‘? TEN”

            You agree then that these things are not the ‘ essence of tyranny’.

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            • Hahaha the clarion cry of the snowflake righties: whut about Benghazi? The emails? Uranium One? Pizzagate…

              Those many baseless witch-hunts pale into insignificance in the face of the Trump/Barr take-down of justice in America.

            • Pink David

               /  15th February 2020

              I didn’t raise Benghazi now did I. Nor have I ever raised emails, uranium or pizza. You appear to be attempting gas lighting., but be assured I am confident it’s you who is crazy.

              The funny bit is that Trump is going to get elected again and you still haven’t got over the first time.

            • Duker

               /  15th February 2020

              Clinton probably had never heard of Uranium One, the state department has 40,000 employees and around 25 assistant secretaries who handle minor matters like that, they use delegation just like Ministers do in NZ
              The other fact was the claim ‘20% of US uranium ‘ was only for the type of mining , which was 20% of pumping a solution into the rock to dissolve and extract the U that way . Most mining is done the usual way by ‘digging’

  3. Did anyone watch Winston’s big truth telling on Facebook last night? It was very hard to hear him, poor volume level. And the bits I saw looked quite lame and added nothing to the issue apart, just Peters claiming to know everything about it but having nothing to do with it.

    Decrying a smear campaign against New Zealand First and promising to deliver a message not edited or “contaminated” by outsiders, Peters said nothing he had not already offered up to media throughout the last few months.

    Perhaps most interesting was his continued effort to distance himself from the foundation’s creation and operation, noting: “My only involvement then and all the way through was to say at the start, you make sure it’s all legal.”

    “I did not receive any money, full stop. I’m not part of the foundation, full stop. And so have I got any information I can proffer to, for example, the police or the Serious Fraud Office? No, because I’ve never seen one of the accounts and that happens to be the truth.”

    Barely nine minutes after it started, the full and free discussion with the public was over.

    “There’s many more [questions], but frankly we’ve run to the end,” Peters proclaimed.

    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2020/02/13/1032875/peters-fires-blanks-with-social-media-artillery

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    • lurcher1948

       /  13th February 2020

      He came across as a genuine person and spoke clearly,Simon in contrast comes across as a desperate used car salesman,he also needs to talk more clearly

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      • Corky

         /  13th February 2020

        He was shaking. He was scared. He was full of vacuous bs. That’s what Sean reckons, and many agree. The guy has done more damage to himself. Expect New Zealand Last to tank at the next poll. Sean has again called for an election as this government and its coalition partners disintegrate. I think you may have mistaken watching cartoons with Winstons speech, Lurchy?

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        • Duker

           /  13th February 2020

          “He was full of vacuous bs”
          Works for Bridges …..

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          • Corky

             /  13th February 2020

            The difference is..Simon leads National..not some bunch of misfits who are proving as much everyday.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  13th February 2020

          I assume that you mean the radio announcer called Sean.

          He can call for an early election as much as he likes, it won’t happen on his say-so. Snap elections are only held in extreme situations, not because someone who thinks that being on the radio makes him an authority wants one.

          You wouldn’t be voting in it even if it happened, so why are you wanting it ?

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  4. Gerrit

     /  13th February 2020

    Gee, who would have thought that EV fast charging (not trickle charge at home) would become so expensive that it is cheaper to run an ICE car long distance in Europe than the EV.

    Smart marketing, sell all an EV as in Norway, then as owners of both the car manufacturing company and the fast recharging facilities, recoup profits by increased charging cost. How long before Tesla in the USA does the same?

    https://thedriven.io/2020/01/20/norway-horrified-as-new-rates-make-ev-charging-prices-higher-than-petrol/?fbclid=IwAR0tKwm1W426awhApJEqthsj6OBUWUde7ZbtSllkrLjGmLpvZrfHYp6Z0zs

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  13th February 2020

      I suppose that one should have seen this coming…but I bet that not many did.

      How unscrupulous.

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  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  13th February 2020

    A long read but a good one that will come as little surprise to the IT industry and possibly is timed to support the US campaign against Huawei. The question remains how many other “security” companies and systems are actually CIA fronts.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/119462712/germanus-spies-owned-encryption-company-used-by-allies-and-adversaries

    The other issue for NZ is that given the German’s alarm at the US propensity to spy on its allies whether “5 Eyes” has one pair looking inwards as well as outwards.

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    • Duker

       /  13th February 2020

      Thats just the tip of the iceberg
      https://www.wired.com/2015/02/snowden-spy-agencies-screwed-us-hacking-crypto-keys/

      “the NSA and the British spy agency GCHQ had “screwed all of us” when it hacked into the Dutch firm Gemalto to steal cryptographic keys used in billions of mobile SIM cards worldwide.”

      I noticed recently that in NZ if you call on your mobile for emergency service they use GPS on the phone to locate you . They now want to be able to locate via GPS on phones, people who havent called them- but supposedly for those ‘in distress’. I can see where that could be useful for that but Im convinced it will be ‘hacked ‘ by security service to track ‘people of interest’

      Its just too tempting to have a feature like this available to use it without proper authorizations or they use weasel words to fit the criteria. If they want to track terrorists this way why cant they come out and say so – ‘persons in distress and terrorists’

      I always have my GPS turned off- battery saving reasons- but phones have their own ways to get around this. And of course putting an ‘app/bug’ onto a phone can do this as well

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      • Corky

         /  13th February 2020

        Get a non clipper chip ( or similar) phone on the black market. All phones in the West have identification technology programmed into them. However, some phones are siphoned off from factories in China and sold without such technology. The downside is top-ups can only be bought from secure sources. The phones are expensive, too- 3000 Euro.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  13th February 2020

          Wikipedia says that clipper chips were in the US and went out by 1996.

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        • Corky

           /  13th February 2020

          Oh…well..the things you learn. I wonder if there was something SIMILAR?

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        • Corky

           /  13th February 2020

          Of course GPS is a minor tracking device built into all phones sold in New Zealand. After changes were made at the behest of police and security services, even burner phones are no longer an issue as they used to be. While it’s still harder to identify the sole user, the phones ‘community of interest” fleshes things out, even if only one phone call is made. Of course all security footage of phone sales and documentation are now recorded and passed on.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  13th February 2020

            What if it’s bought online or second hand ? What about when someone buys a new SIM card ?

            To whom is all this passed on ? Evidence ?

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            • Duker

               /  13th February 2020

              Well they can only track a phone if they know the numbers. Change your sim card might mean no one call call you.
              They have ways to do call analysis of the associates and family of a person of interest.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  15th February 2020

              I think that the idea of The Warehouse and other shops handing this info onto whomever it is supposedly handed onto is so farfetched as to be safely dismissed. I can’t see the security footage from every phone sale being held anywhere.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  13th February 2020

        Rather than spending thousands on a phone (who would ?) just turn the GPS off. It’s not 100% accurate anyway.

        3000 euro would be what ? $6000 ?

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  13th February 2020

          $5000+.

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        • Duker

           /  13th February 2020

          Accurate enough for them to find you quickly if they turned up….. Police are good at finding people hiding in a shed….etc phones will give location within 5m or say enough for finding a needle in a haystack if you are looking for someone in a big city or a quiet rural area

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          • Corky

             /  13th February 2020

            I believe GPS is/ will be even better when military accuracy GPS becomes available for the civilian population.

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  6. Zedd

     /  13th February 2020

    HURRAY.. Bernie (dont call me Colonel) Sanders won Hew Hampshire : USA Dem. primaries

    “Viva La Revolucion !” 🙂

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    • Pink David

       /  13th February 2020

      Bernie Sanders 76,324 votes
      Donald Trump 129,696 votes

      Given Bernie is a socialist, I imagine he want’s trumps votes redistributed to him,

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  13th February 2020

      Which revolution are you wanting to emulate, Zedd?

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      • Zedd

         /  13th February 2020

        there is only one Alan.. get with the program comrade..
        still ongoing.. :/ 😀

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  13th February 2020

          Actually there have been many, Zedd. The outcomes are universally deaths and poverty. Your call is for the infliction of human misery dressed up as paradise. Best stay in your fantasy world and don’t mix it up with reality.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  13th February 2020

          There’s going to be a revolution, oh yeah, you know/We’re going to change the world.

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    • Duker

       /  13th February 2020

      ““Viva La Revolucion !”

      hahaha… Hampshire is right next door to Sanders home state Vermont. It would be weird if he wasnt the leading candidate there….but I have news for you , New Hamphire isnt the US.

      Wakeup call . Sanders won the 2016 Primary in NH with 152k votes ( but was millions of votes behind Clinton by the nomination)

      This year its half that 76K.
      Viva La Vote Counting.

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  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  14th February 2020

    Boris has been radical in his Cabinet reshuffle with the Treasury Chancellor ousted after apparently promoting some really weird tax policies. That ends a feud with Cummings the winner.

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  8. Corky

     /  14th February 2020

    Tax da witch.
    Tax da witch.
    *Tax da witch.

    Honestly, anyone who votes for Labour is a fool.

    Btw…how many investment properties does Helen Clark own? Eight?

    * For the literal minded….pretend limiting loans for rich people like Helen Clark is similar to a tax.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12308274

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  14th February 2020

      I can see that ‘da witch’ is going to be flogged to death like your other cliches. Give it a rest.

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    • Corky

       /  14th February 2020

      The question was asked: Who lives off my posts?

      That question has been answered..only one person.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  15th February 2020

        Don’t flatter yourself that your inane remarks are that interesting.

        Living off your posts ??? Dream on if you think that anyone would do that. Only in your egotistical little mind would that happen, I fear.

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  9. Corky

     /  14th February 2020

    Time now for all police officers to be armed. I’m guessing that will happen before the end of this year.

    When is the government going to outlaw gangs as domestic terrorists? What is it they don’t understand? Do they mistakenly think the situation will become better?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/119510716/heavy-police-presence-and-main-road-closed-in-tauranga-amid-reports-of-gun-shots

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    • duperez

       /  14th February 2020

      They’re probably waiting for a genius to come up with the specifics of what they’re outlawing.

      I’m sure the powers that be would welcome your succinct list outlining the specifics of domestic terrorism, gangs, specific laws about those and notes about the implementation of them.

      Be a devil, share your outline with us. I promise that if you have a coherent, sensible, viable set of laws and attachments I will make sure they get to the desk of the Minister of Justice.

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      • Corky

         /  14th February 2020

        ”I’m sure the powers that be would welcome your succinct list outlining the specifics of domestic terrorism, gangs, specific laws about those and notes about the implementation of them.”

        I could do that quite easily as I did with Gezza when he called me out regarding removing bodies from White Island as a private individual.

        However, my specific recommendations are irrelevant because that isn’t what’s needed.
        What is needed is the realisation by authorities that they have no choice but to implement
        my recommendation because there is no alternative.

        Meanwhile, it’s more of the same. And it’s almost a given the innocent will sooner or later be caught in the crossfire.

        Your sarcasm is noted, and will be richly rewarded. You are another person who cares little for victims of crimes. If you did, you would be giving us your own suggestions. Of course you can’t because you haven’t any.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  14th February 2020

          Gezza was well aware that there were no simple solutions to this and it was obvious that your supposed personal experience of the protective suits was an invention.

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        • duperez

           /  14th February 2020

          Thinking that someone is all piss and wind is neither sarcasm nor not caring for victims of crime.

          It’s easy chanting slogans and saying the Government should ‘outlaw gangs as domestic terrorists.’ C’mon tell us exactly what authorities should have written down as rules when they implement your recommendation. You know the stuff that isn’t in the laws now.

          Convince me you won’t have those authorities with a list saying things like, “All members of Black Power are outlawed and subject to instant arrest and punishment by …”

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          • Corky

             /  14th February 2020

            Can’t you read? What isn’t sinking through? First the mindset of government must change before legislation is enacted or changed. Why put the buggy before the horse?

            ”Thinking that someone is all piss and wind is neither sarcasm nor not caring for victims of crime.”

            Simple way to prove that is tell me what is your alternative to my suggestion. You have none because you are all piss and wind. But I’m willing to be proven wrong.

            1- First the mindset of government must change. That can only come by way of the general population enacting vigilantly action or mass civil disobedience. Otherwise nothing will happen. Once the government realises people will take the law into their own hands, you bet things will change.

            2- While we don’t have an overarching constitution like the States we do have
            different legal statutes that act like a constitution. Those must be absorbed into one overarching constitution that allows the people to remove the government should it fail to act for protection of the realm. In the absence of a government the population will have the right to kill criminals, or those identifying as gang members. That of course wouldn’t happen because no government would want to be removed by force. The power is with the people.

            That’s just the beginning.

            Now, Duperez, let’s hear your suggestion..or are you a Keyboard Warrior?

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            • duperez

               /  15th February 2020

              It is sinking in. It did not need this contribution to show that ‘sinking in’ can be quite a problem in impervious environments.

              I get that you want a change of government mindset. You seem to imply the ‘rule by force,’ ‘get in and smash ’em’ mindset and approach is the way. And if that doesn’t come as a government policy the general population should force it by enacting vigilante action or mass civil disobedience. The government must act on threats of people taking the law into their own hands.

              My feeling is that a redneck, neanderthal, violent society with absolute controls is not very desireable. (They do if it’s North Korea and you’re the one in the driver’s seat.)

              Constitution? For all the grandiose sound of that a moveable feast. We could even have a dictator saying that parts of it are ‘hoax’ and that being accepted. As happened recently.

              “Those must be absorbed into one overarching constitution that allows the people to remove the government should it fail to act for protection of the realm. In the absence of a government the population will have the right to kill criminals, or those identifying as gang members.”

              To extrapolate: Our government doesn’t adopt a mindset of smash anyone who joins a gang and someone in a gang does something a citizen objects to. That person thinks the government has failed to act to protect them so they have the right to kill those identifying as gang members. Is that it?

              Remembering of course that recently you thought that being armed was pointless if one’s loaded gun was in a bag and not more readily at hand.

            • Corky

               /  15th February 2020

              Translation: I have no suggestions. But boy, oh boy, I’m going to give it to Corky. New Zealand is full of people like you.

              If I have time I may indulge you and explain how people taking unilateral
              action against gangs would not be allowed to happen. And, no, there is no contradiction with what I have already written.

              In the meantime..just try to give us a suggestion?

            • duperez

               /  15th February 2020

              I suggest those succumbing to the political ra ra in election year about gangs calm down and seek to apply the laws as they exist to do with unlawful assembly, possession of weapons, drug use and supply, and so on.

            • Corky

               /  15th February 2020

              Geez,what a wet reply. ”The ra ra of election year.” I spout my views consistently; election or not.

              In case you haven’t noticed, applying the laws as they exist isn’t working. It isn’t working because criminals have no fear of such laws.

              I’m sorry. That isn’t good enough.

              I will say it again. Until gangs are legislated as domestic terrorists and exterminated, nothing will change. IT’S THAT SIMPLE!

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  15th February 2020

              Spout is the operative word for your views. Synonyms for spout (as in speech) include ramble, gush, pontificate, hold forth, go on about….

              Gangs cannot be legislated against as domestic terrorists. That will never happen. Gangs may be criminals, they are not terrorists, domestic or otherwise in NZ. Look up the definition of terrorist if you don’t believe me.

              We don’t exterminate people in NZ as they did in Germany, Russia and Cambodia and other places.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  14th February 2020

        How much time do you have ?

        The chances of making Corky see that although gangs may be criminal they are not terrorists of any kind as they do not fit the definition of terrorists are infinitessimal. Terrorism is a specific offence. Terrorists target civilians in an attempt to force the hand of a government as the IRA did.

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    • Duker

       /  14th February 2020

      They are armed now… do try to keep up

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      • Corky

         /  14th February 2020

        No they aren’t..not as a matter of course. Please live in the real world and stop making shite up.

        Armed means: GLOCK IN A HOLSTER ON THE HIP OF A POLICE OFFICER. Not locked away in the trunk of a police car, or brought out after the fact of a criminal incident happening.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  14th February 2020

          They don’t need to be armed as a matter of course. This isn’t the US where any nutter can carry a gun.

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        • Corky

           /  14th February 2020

          Of course they need to be armed as a matter of course. Some people really need to get out more. That time is coming sooner rather than later. As the Police Association spokesperson said, if I remember correctly, 60 plus % of members want to be armed. Of course they fugging do. They live in the real world, not behind lace curtains in a non descript house no one visits.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  15th February 2020

            Lace curtains ? How very bourgeois. Get out more ? How very cliched.

            I have never had ‘nets’ and never will have them, It’s a class thing; my mother wouldn’t have them, either. As you have never seen my house, you can’t say whether it’s nondescript (one word,) or not, or have any idea who does or doesn’t come to it. You don’t know where I live or what my house is like.

            Resorting to your usual childish insults shows that you haven’t a valid argument.

            If carrying guns was a deterrent to crime, the US would not have the murder rate that it does.

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          • Duker

             /  15th February 2020

            “Police officers in every part of New Zealand will continue to carry guns”
            Yes it means carrying both Glocks and Bushmaster rifles in cars.
            Your idea of a pistol on the hip making any difference comes from watching too many old cowboy movies

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  15th February 2020

              He claims to have guns himself; one is a ‘big one’.

              And the band played ‘Believe It If You Like.’

            • Corky

               /  15th February 2020

              ”Your idea of a pistol on the hip making any difference comes from watching too many old cowboy movie.”

              It’s obvious, Duker, you don’t have a gun ..or a tactical mind.

              Now, here’s a simple test. I will run at you from 10 feet away with a base ball bat. You won’t get to the trunk of your car to obtain a weapon. I will beat you to death as you fumble with keys. Conversely, a gun on the hip can be drawn and the offender ”leaded.” If the offender is moving too fast, a few backward steps can be taken by the officer to gain time on the draw.

              https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/383762/more-officers-support-arming-police

            • Corky

               /  15th February 2020

              Lordy, some times I forget how picky some posters are

              ” Keyless entry cars or that NZ cars have boots, not trunks.’

              Two points about the above comment I could make. But I won’t insult the intelligence of readers.

              ”The idea of someone running with a base ball(sic) bat from 10 feet away is too silly and contrived to contemplate”

              The poster scores a cheap point ( congratulations) but loses out with ignorance.

              Quote:

              ”To minimize those dangers, law enforcement officers should attempt to maintain a greater distance between themselves and a suspect when necessary, take cover if possible, and request backup personnel before confronting an armed offender. As the distance between officer and offender closes, the time for law enforcement personnel to observe, evaluate, and effectively respond to threatening behaviour decreases.”

              https://leb.fbi.gov/spotlights/officer-survival-spotlight-what-is-a-safe-distance

              The scary thing here isn’t that Kitty is ignorant. It’s the fact that people like her get to vote!

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  15th February 2020

            If Corky is trying to give the impression that he knows where I live, the reference to the ‘lace curtains’ shows it to be a lie. He shouldn’t say things that are obvious inventions and can be easily refuted.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  15th February 2020

              Corky hasn’t caught up with keyless entry cars or that NZ cars have boots, not trunks.

              The idea of someone running with a base ball(sic) bat from 10 feet away is too silly and contrived to contemplate.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  15th February 2020

              Needless to say that the link has nothing at all to do with someone being beaten to death while they try to unlock the boot with a key or anything like it; it is an old one from the US. The reference to armed offenders was an indication that the offenders were armed with guns; this is what it usually means.The letters fbi were a hint that this wasn’t NZ.

              In any case, that old link is from the US, where gun crime per capita is far higher than ours and is totally irrelevant to Corky’s burbling about a baseball bat and car keys (what are the odds against the police not using keyless car entry?) I am still surprised that Corky seemed not to realise that cars have had this for some years.

              The scary thing is that ignorant people like Corky can vote. One can only hope that he is telling the truth when he says that he doesn’t and that he will continue not to,

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  16th February 2020

            Still waiting for anything to show that he knows what my house looks like…

            He knew that the young Pakeha (one was English) professional couple across the road were ‘feral Maoris’..I had supposedly called them this, despite never mentioning them here as there was no reason to do so and despite the fact that I don’t use the word feral of people.

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  11. Corky

     /  14th February 2020

    This should comes as no surprise to anybody… but no doubt it will to some. Lefties are more prone to mental illness. Ann Coulter’s “liberalism is a mental disorder” may be true.

    We know many Lefties have: a chip on their shoulders. Feel hard done by. Believe the world should be ‘fair.’ Look to the government to solve their problems. Believe Righties are all crooks. Businesses are all crooks out to rip them off. Many hate Jews, and believe the worlds monetary system is run by Jews. They want restrictions put on the rich ( aunt Helen).

    You cannot carry so much hate and dislike ( even if such has some basis in truth), and expect to be a happy sane individual.

    https://yournews.com/2020/02/12/1449692/survey-finds-people-who-identify-as-left-wing-more-likely-to/

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    • Duker

       /  14th February 2020

      Coulter is a prime example of a hate fueled loon…what was your point again

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      • Corky

         /  14th February 2020

        Here’s my point. Please laugh along with me.

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        • Corky

           /  14th February 2020

          Anne Coulter is on record… as saying she is going to the moon.😂

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  15th February 2020

          Someone’s told her the origin of lunacy, I suppose, and she thinks that there will be other lunatics up there.

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        • Corky

           /  15th February 2020

          I so love this clip. Smug Lefties..people who know how the real world…doesn’t work.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  14th February 2020

        Ann Coulter is on record as saying that she likes to engage in repartee with people who are stupider than she is. I suppose that there are not many of them.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  14th February 2020

      Laugh with or at you ?

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  12. Zedd

     /  14th February 2020

    hey look.. temperature in Antarctica has reached 20deg C; Highest EVER recorded;
    BUT I better not say ‘Its proof of Climate Change’ because we all know that many still think its just part of a ‘normal cycle’ or ‘loony left fear-mongering’

    OR hey perhaps.. C-C is happening.. increasingly faster than some thought possible ?! :/ 😦

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    • Corky

       /  14th February 2020

      I think I will wait until the winter months in Antarctica have passed ( April -Oct) before calling you looney. Let’s see how much ice reestablishes.

      Meanwhile..something that really is declining..support for Cannabis legalisation.

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    • Gerrit

       /  14th February 2020

      Hey look temperatures on Seymour Island hit 20C. Where is Seymour Island?

      “Seymour Island is an island in the chain of 16 major islands around the tip of the Graham Land on the Antarctic Peninsula. Graham Land is the closest part of Antarctica to South America. It lies within the section of the island chain that resides off the west side of the peninsula’s northernmost tip.”

      Hardly deepest coldest Antarctica.

      Meanwhile temperature at Scott Base today was -6 degrees. Whilst Seymour Island was at a balmy 0 degrees today.

      Much ado about nothing.

      Previous highest record temperature was 19 degrees at another South American/ Antarctic location called Signy Island.

      Unusually higher temperatures in the southern South American region are not uncommon.

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      • Duker

         /  14th February 2020

        Antarctic Circle 66deg South
        Seymour Island 64 deg South
        Hardly part of Antarctica when it’s not even inside the Arctic circle
        Scott base is around 77 deg South
        Cape Horn is around 55 deg South named after Hoorn in Netherlands by a Dutch explorer

        It’s roughly equivalent to Iceland which also is just outside the Arctic Circle

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        • Griff.

           /  15th February 2020

          Hello Duker.
          Its the Antarctic and Antarctic circle .
          The Arctic circle is in the other hemisphere on the opposite side of the earth.
          Antarctica is a continent not an astronomical artifact. Antarctica is not defined by the antarctic circle.
          You are talking nonsense to hide your self from reality.
          Like the other one who wants parts of the Antarctic to move to South America because he doesn’t like it being a totally separate continent.
          OK boomer is made for such idiocy…..

          Earth just had hottest January since records began.
          https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/feb/13/january-hottest-earth-record-climate-crisis

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          • Duker

             /  15th February 2020

            Oops.
            Yes its Antarctica , which was obvious from the context, but just showing how far north it was – almost South America.
            The Argentinain base had a ‘record temp recorded not long after a Greenpeace ‘researcher’ arrived. The nearby Chilean base has no such record temp. around 0.7C more.
            The location is an outlier and not at all typical of Continental Antarctica. The reverse would say Tasmania colder temperatures are more typical of ‘Continental Australia’…which would be ridiculous of course

            Foehn Event Triggered by an Atmospheric River Underlies Record‐Setting Temperature Along Continental Antarctica
            “A record‐setting temperature of 17.5°C occurred on 24 March 2015 at the Esperanza station located near the northern tip of the Antarctic Peninsula (AP)…

            Im guessing you dont know what Foehn events are and they definitely arent global warming, being local effects.
            https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/2017JD027796

            This is what an atmospheric river looks like … we sometime have them bringing warm moist air from the Coral Sea off FNQ

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            • Duker

               /  15th February 2020

              Arctic And Antarctic Circles arent ‘astronomical’ descriptions. You are confused by the astronomical lines of the ‘Tropics of Cancer and Capricorn’ related to Suns declination.

              They are geographical lines ..which are the boundaries between the polar and temperate zones
              The South frigid zone, from Antarctic Circle 66.5° S and the South Pole 90° S. Covers 4.12% of Earth’s surface.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_zone

              Guess where is just outside the boundary of the polar zone? Esperanza!

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  15th February 2020

          WHAT ???

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      • Griff.

         /  15th February 2020

        More nonsense.
        No matter how much you try to spin bullshite It was a record temperature for the Antarctic …. Do tell why Foehn winds are a new occurrence or they are normal part of the weather in that region?

        The Conspiracy gibbering… trying to claim a record was because a green piece person was at the base is the sort of loony tune rubbish I have come to expect from the deluded.

        Arctic and Antarctic circles are defined by the latitude were on at least one day a year the sun sets for 24hours and or stays above the horizon for 24 hours.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Circle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_Circle
        Lines drawn on the globe originally defined by an astronomical artifact just as the tropics of Capricorn , Cancer and the Equator are.

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        • Duker

           /  15th February 2020

          Who would use a temperature from Tasmania to indicate it meant the temperatures for Australia itself . Seymour Is is the same.
          It’s not nonsense the AGU peer reviewed paper speels it out for the barely literate. It’s specifically about temperatures at Esperanza on Seymour Is. A better source than your information which is the BBC.
          The graphic shows the warm moist air heading towards the Peninsula, it’s from the paper published in Journal of Geophysical Research …how many papers have you published to call it nonsense….you are the one just repeating nonsense from BBC and Greenpeace

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  13. Duker

     /  14th February 2020

    One News poll . Marijuana recreational use will loose heavily at reeferendum…. common sense will prevail. Those that have a genuine need will have to get a doctors prescription …hmmm lots of doctors dont find any medical evidence that it works, other than the patient getting stoned. A tiny few might have a case. …Is there a placebo for smoking a joint…there should be

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  14. This is what a quid pro quo looks like

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  15. Zedd

     /  15th February 2020

    15/2/20 (today) Thieves alley market; Octagon Otepoti/Dn.. Im helping on a stall..
    might c uz 🙂

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  15th February 2020

      Strewth, you’ll need a good telescope, Z. Still trucking water out to our cabins where guests let the toilet run away with it all. City folk!

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  15th February 2020

        I am reusing a lot of the water I use (not the washing machine, I must admit, but I am using that as little as I can) for the plants. I keep a jug under the tap so that when I wash my hands the water is saved. I reuse water that dishes have been soaked in, and so on. The plants don’t seem to mind.

        There’s no need to flush each time; as they say in America , ‘Pee, no; poo, do.’

        Our council is plugging those weights that mean that as soon as you let the flush handle go the water stops. Good in theory, but they tend to lead to blocked pipes as people don’t do it long enough to shift everything.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  15th February 2020

          I’m configuring a solenoid valve to shut off the water a short time after flushing. Seems to be the only solution for people who leave the button jammed down.

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          • Duker

             /  15th February 2020

            Farmers have had to rely on tank water ..since forever but once the yuppies on lifestyle blocks have to go to a laundromat or shower at work…..it’s a catastrophe.
            When the windstorm blew down the power lines too, couldn’t accept that it might be 3 weeks without power, as though linesmen are just sitting around waiting for a once in 45 yrs windstorm

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  16. Corky

     /  15th February 2020

    Sir Robert read the tea leaves. He didn’t have a chance. I wonder if he did a deal with Maihi?
    This will embolden the chronically offended to go into overdrive. Every white rich prick is in for a rough ride from now on.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/02/renae-maihi-hopes-court-case-won-t-end-conversation.html

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  15th February 2020

      For someone who sneers at those who rely on ‘MSM’ for their news, you quote it an awful lot.

      I doubt if every rich, white person will be in for a ‘rough ride’ from now on. You used four cliches in two sentences.

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      • Duker

         /  15th February 2020

        Jones and his lawyer ran a very poor case…first he didnt have a defamation expert , strange as he can afford it.
        Second bad choice was Jones took the witness stand, and he did terribly. The Court isnt a soapbox for his views , you should leave it up to the lawyer to attack the other sides case not any old waffle from Jones.

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    • For the most part, it’s satisfying to see Jones exposed by his own hand, for the petty, ignorant, and self-aggrandising, racist he is.

      But it’s also just really painful…

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      • Corky

         /  15th February 2020

        He’s not racist. That’s just woke Lefty narrative. A convenient hook to hang your angst on.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  15th February 2020

          Angst is hardly the right word to use here. I don’t know what you think it means !

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        • Duker

           /  15th February 2020

          That’s why Jones threw the towel in …..his previous racist views would be dredged up…nowdays he would be called casual racism, outdated views from the 1960s

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          • Corky

             /  15th February 2020

            Then why did he have relationships with Maori and Asian woman? I think he married some of them. Why did he go into business with a Maori woman on NZ’s version of the Shark Tank? He said she had by far the best presentation he had heard. I think he wanted to marry her ( not literally…he was joking to make a point). Why all that?

            Ah! Hmm! White Fulla Mischief. Old Whitey goes through all of this as a smoke screen to show he’s not racist lol.

            Read. Learn:

            https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11294575

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  15th February 2020

              That story is 6 years old.

            • Duker

               /  15th February 2020

              Thats what casual racists say… Never a problem with people they know , as they say they weren’t ‘typical maoris’.
              Anti semitism was much the same, rich cultured Jews are fine it’s those others they hate.
              As Bercow said a Tory MP told him to his face…if it was up to me ‘Berkoff’ we wouldn’t let people like you in the party.
              Just because Jones wasn’t a virulent racist his views are outdated but he typically stuck to them. I might have had sympathy for him ,but he’s his own worst enemy

            • Corky

               /  15th February 2020

              ”That story is six years old. ”Really? Who cares. The information is not time sensitive. I don’t know why some people can’t work that out. 😃

            • Corky

               /  15th February 2020

              If that’s the case, give me an example of Sir Bobs racism. In my book, if it can be back up by facts and numbers than it’s not racism, whether the intent is racism or not. Facts are facts.

              Here’s a fact: Child killing and general child abuse is endemic in Maori society.

              And where are these screaming skulls talking about the State taking Maori babies, now that another Maori infant has nearly been bashed to death.

              Those are the facts. Many wokes would call that racist.

            • Duker

               /  15th February 2020

              What does that have to do with Jones and breakfast in bed…. But since u raised it, don’t they get the same silence about sex abuse with Brethren or Gloriavale

            • Corky

               /  16th February 2020

              ”What does that have to do with Jones and breakfast in bed.?”

              Well, nothing, apart from giving you an example to support my case. That should be obvious even to a fool.

              You still haven’t given me an example of Sir Bob’s racism. In fact you rarely support your case when I call you out.

              ”But since u raised it, don’t they get the same silence about sex abuse with Brethren or Gloriavale.”

              Yes, sometimes they do. Not much child killing though. And you never hear those groups you mention go on about how they are a loving people who care for their families and love their kids like Maori do. Or make excuses of racism,colonisation and bad luck. NONE OF THOSE THINGS STOP YOU FROM CARING FOR AND LOVING YOUR KIDS!

            • Duker

               /  15th February 2020

              Both Newshub and 1 News described Waititi as a ‘Kiwi filmmaker’ in their opening 6pm segments, while Maihi was described as a ‘Maori filmmaker’.
              Proof.

            • Corky

               /  16th February 2020

              Proof..of what?

              Have you forgotten… the context of this court case highlighted both litigants. You know, Stale White Male. Rich Prick. Or as you say: ”That’s what casual racists say.”

              I would think ‘Maori filmmaker is a light left off. I would like to call Maihi a few choice names such as you have done with Sir Bob.

            • Duker

               /  16th February 2020

              Rich prick isnt racist

              According to the news headlines , we are ‘one people’ when a moviemaker is successful on the international stage, but of a particular race when a moviemaker is involved in a court case.
              And yet you spray at an MP when he brings this distinction up, are we one people or are we two ?

            • Corky

               /  16th February 2020

              Try reading what I wrote before you engage.

              Here, this is a pertinent quote:

              ”Have you forgotten… the context of this court case highlighted both litigants. ”

              Simplified: Maori v Pakeha.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  15th February 2020

        Jones was right of course. Colonialism had more good than bad consequences for Maori. However gratitude is in short supply. Grievences are more profitable.

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        • Blazer

           /  16th February 2020

          yes introducing native populations to environmental vandalism,debt slavery , conspicuous consumption ,and wonderful treats like Maccas,Coca Cola and twisties is so altruistic….they should be…grateful.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  16th February 2020

            Ask the moa about environmental vandalism.

            And at least McD’s burger patties aren’t diced slave.

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  17. Looks like there are some cases that even Bill Barr, Trump’s personal attorney, will not touch:

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/14/doj-drops-case-against-former-fbi-deputy-director-andrew-mccabe-115251

    So, the tale of the tape now reads:
    Hillary Clinton – cleared (repeatedly)
    James Comey – cleared
    Barack Obama – cleared
    Lisa Page and Peter Strozk – cleared
    Now John McCabe – cleared

    Wake up, Trumpers. They did nothing wrong. Trump has been lying to you for years.

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    • Pink David

       /  16th February 2020

      “They did nothing wrong.”

      Just so we can be clear with your position.

      Andrew McCabe goes into the White House, sets a perjury trap, and entraps Michael Flynn

      Gen. Flynn is then faced with the prospect of jail time, not to mention having treats made about his family also be prosecuted.

      But when McCabe ADMITS to lying, he gets let of, ‘cleared’ in your opinion.

      You think this is how the law is meant to work? Those who break the law on one side get let off again and again, while those on the other side get 9 year sentences?

      Sounds a lot like tyranny to me Joe.

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      • Duker

         /  16th February 2020

        Flynn lied to everyone , including Trumps people
        Whats this ‘perjury trap’ you speak of …is that where guilty people are allowed to craft their answers in writing to written questions…just as Trump did with Mueller. When of course Trump should have faced direct questioning by the special counsel as Clinton did ( and Trump promised he would)

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  17th February 2020

      Looks like a pattern: get high enough in the DoJ/FBI and you will never be prosecuted for doing the same things you destroy other people’s lives for.

      Reply

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