Links between NZ First and The BFD journalist threat agenda

David Garrett at Kiwiblog suggested I also post this here. Thanks for your advice David. Funny to see you playing interference for NZ First and The BFD.


In response to a post at Kiwiblog on The mute PM

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  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  16th February 2020

    So do you think this is Slater’s old Dirty Politics mentor and manipulator still axe-grinding for peanuts?

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    • To me it doesn’t look like Slater is leading the agenda but he is obviously connected.

      Because Slater had was not posting at The BFD under his name (initially to try to fool courts that he was too incapacitated to appear) it looks his old Dirty Politics mentor and manipulator started posting under a new name. The style of Xavier etc is very much like some of the old WO posts done under Slater’s name, but a few different styles came up there.

      And the agenda has some very familiar dirty politics methods.

      In November 2018 Winston denied that political promoter Simon Lusk had anything to do with NZ First, but at the same time Shane Jones admitted that Lusk was involved in fundraising events for NZ First.

      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12156891

      Then and recently Richard Harman at Politik has raised similar connections.

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  2. NOEL

     /  16th February 2020

    What’s a “shill”?

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    • An Internet shill is someone who promotes something or someone online for pay without divulging that they are associated with the entity they shill for. A shill might create a Facebook or Twitter account, set up a blog or simply comment through these and other channels, such as discussion forums.

      https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/Internet-shill

      That sounds to me like a very apt description.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  16th February 2020

        It’s a very old Yiddish expression, meaning a fake bidder who drives the price up by making bids in order to make real bidders pay more or pretends to be a customer who admires the goods and encourages people to buy them. It was done at street markets. I don’t know if the bystanders who encouraged mugs to bet on things like the pea and thimble game and who were, of course, in cahoots with the crook running the game were called shills or not. Probably.

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  3. NOEL

     /  16th February 2020

    Ahh got it. Shrill a political put down.
    Was tempted to read no further but out of curiosity continued.
    On getting to Cookes comment it became obvious that the attack NZFirst at any opportunity has spread to tarnish by association.

    As debated earlier the move from an opinion to a criminal investigation makes Cookes concern redundant.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  16th February 2020

      Curious as to which party you feel is tarnished by their evident association: NZF, Winston, Lusk or Slater?

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  16th February 2020

        Shill, not shrill.

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      • NOEL

         /  16th February 2020

        Obvious. Cookes concern was of the PM not commenting written before the opinion was elevated to criminal investigation.

        Common now to quote him without context.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  16th February 2020

          Not so obvious when there are so many candidates. But obviously coalition partners are always in danger of tarnishing each other until they publicly divorce.

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          • Duker

             /  16th February 2020

            Cookes concern was more about nothing to write for Saturday before deadline during the week.
            Cant write anything about Simon and money since Bridges legal threat still hangs over all the political journos since the JLR.
            Peters is berated over a few photos taken in public while Bridges legal threats ‘to a freedom of the press’ are mostly not written about ( only one let the cat out of the bag that he had done so to all the ‘political editors’)

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  4. Duker

     /  16th February 2020

    I see Vance is playing protector as today
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/119531489/snooping-on-journalists-is-an-attempt-to-silence-and-shut-them-down

    Sources blah blah…
    She conveniently ignores that the protection of sources only applies to the agencies of the state using their powers of compulsion….
    And no because the two journos have been outed doesnt mean they are going to shot in a dusty field .
    They lose all perspective when it comes to covering for their own

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    • But two journalists haven’t been outed. It was fairly obvious they would be talking too ex-NZ first officials who had expressed concerns with how the party was being financed and run.

      NZ First have outed themselves as users of a shill blog to attack and threaten journalists who are investigating the party. And they have exposed Labour and Greens as timid and unprincipled.

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      • Duker

         /  16th February 2020

        attack and threaten ?
        Slater has always had this thing for the ‘media party’ and ‘skilled and trained journalists’..you mean to say they are threatened by this? It seems NZF sources provided the photos but didnt get to call the wording of his story.
        As I said its only when the police come calling for the journos do they have a point – like they did after Keys complaint about the cafe recordings meant the cops turned up at newsrooms. And this was a recording in a public place and where the media were ‘invited’
        Peters and NZF are nowhere on the scale compared to that brutal use of political power to intimidate. Key could get away with that while Peters whom they hate ‘cant be allowed’
        Its a storm in a teacup

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    • Duker

       /  16th February 2020

      Its twitter, are you really suprised. And what has it got to do with Ardern, As they are US probably some sort of way of working phony accounts to give them legitimacy

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      • artcroft

         /  16th February 2020

        What has Ardern got to do with it? Well it’s ineffective, its incompetent … it must be Labour.

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    • Corky

       /  16th February 2020

      Desperate times… desperate measures, Arty. Jacinda has learnt from L Ron Hubbard. This chap had his students buy all his books to capitulate himself onto the New York Times bestseller list. Keep those irons well oiled. You will have many opportunities for fun over the coming months. This government is coming in for a heavy crash landing. 😄

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      • Corky

         /  16th February 2020

        Do not be surprised if events overtake Jacinda and she’s forced to go to the polls early.
        Late May or June would do us all a favour, and put many out of their misery.

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        • Duker

           /  16th February 2020

          Polling date has been announced …do try to keep up .
          Was it early ?

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          • Corky

             /  16th February 2020

            And if NZ1 is found guilty by the SFO? She could wing it to the election. But she would have to be nuts to do that.

            ”Was it early ?”

            Given my scenario, not early enough.I notice some commentators are now suggesting an early election may be on the cards ( they must read this blog). Are they keeping up? Or is your IQ below 115?🤔

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  16th February 2020

        Capitulate means to give in or surrender; how does someone do that to get onto the best-seller list ?

        I doubt whether this blog will affect the election date one way or the other. If you think that it will happen because of you, you’re dreaming. The only thing that could make a snap election is a crisis like a vote of no confidence.As has been said before…

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      • Corky

         /  16th February 2020

        I made a mistake. I should have written ”catapult ” Let’s hear it for Kitty. Another point scored. What a petty minded individual. For someone so educated, according to her…why does she busy herself with trifles?

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  16th February 2020

          Do you consider yourself to be a trifle and, by extension, trifling ? It’s not like you to be so honest about yourself.It’s true, though, when one thinks of synonyms for trifle and trifling, they do seem tailor-made for you.

          I think you mean so well educated; the sentence is meaningless without an adjective. And yes, I am well-educated. It seems as if this never ceases to madden you, which is why you have to try to put me down all the time.

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        • Corky

           /  16th February 2020

          I made another mistake. Kitty scores again. Trifles are spongy and wet. If too much sherry is added connoisseurs may become ditzy.

          And no..I meant ‘so educated.’ However, to understand that, you need to be uneducated.😂

          Apparently I become mad/ envious(?) of Kitty’s superior education. Hell, I could put all my work through a free grammar checker if I wanted. The real truth is I make fun of her everyday and she is none the wiser. So much for education.

          Some of the thickest people I have met are products of university education. We call them academics. Exceptional people for counting anal rings on an exotic butterfly. But, very mediocre when it comes to buying a bottle of milk.
          .

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  16th February 2020

      The tweets all seem to say the same thing; what a coincidence. And they are mostly young women living in the US; another coincidence.

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