Open Forum – 19 February

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  1. Corky

     /  19th February 2020

    Mikey was talking about this. If true, this is an astounding revelation. Once again it brings into question how much you can trust your government.

    https://www.themercury.com.au/mh370-mystery-almost-certainly-murdersuicide-plot-former-pm-tony-abbott-says/news-story/e9671f5dce21b5ee28d0bca3533628c6

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  19th February 2020

      This theory has been around for a very long time. I don’t know why it’s been trotted out again.

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    • Corky

       /  19th February 2020

      Theory isn’t an ex PM telling us that he was briefed at the highest levels concerning flight MH
      370… and that officially that theory was also held by government officials.

      I wonder if grieving relatives were told this officially?

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  19th February 2020

        How would I know ? It’s a pointless speculation.

        But people have been saying it for years.

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  2. Corky

     /  19th February 2020

    Finally, someone who understands that state broadcasters speaking pidgin Maori is tokenism. This year I’m thinking about going on holiday during Maori language week. I have become increasing intolerant of presenters ( who have probably been forced) speaking the obligatory Maori / English/ bad pronunciation/ pidgin hybrid.

    https://www.magic.co.nz/home/archivedtalk/video/2017/11/don-brash-criticises-maori-in-broadcast-media.html

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    • lurcher1948

       /  19th February 2020

      Corky such relentless negativity it must be hell knowing that Simon Bridges,Paula Bennett and David Seymour all righties are Maori,it must be a real daily struggle living with that fact.

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      • Corky

         /  19th February 2020

        I try hard, Lurchy. As Banksie says: Into every life a little rain must come. It’s what you do about matters that count, Lurchy. And I’m doing plenty to rid us of this government.

        Not too good for Stu Nash at the moment. He’s being done over by Mikey and Mark Mitchell at the moment. Something about Hawke’s Bay’s crime stats increasing under his watch.

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        • lurcher1948

           /  19th February 2020

          We can thank the righties in Australia for training and criminally upskilling their scum then 501ing them back here,nothing to do with the govt,Comrade Bridges might speak to scomo and point out underarming NZ is a bad look

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          • Corky

             /  19th February 2020

            Aussie have the ‘kahunas’ to do something about their ferals. We, on the other hand, have Minister Iain Lees-Galloway . Enough said.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  19th February 2020

              Kahunas are magic-men or shamans. The word is also used of large waves.

              Are you thinking of ‘cojones’ ?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  19th February 2020

              TipTop used to sell icecreams called Big Kahunas.

            • Corky

               /  19th February 2020

              http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003526.html

              Kahunas for balls is in common usage around the world Regardless of whether that usage right or wrong .

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  19th February 2020

              That article makes it clear that it’s a wrong usage and laughs at the person who used it publicly. The fact that some people think that a Hawaiian word for a priest/healer is the same as the Spanish word cojones which has a slightly similar pronunciation and a totally different meaning doesn’t make it right. They can’t have seen the Spanish word written down.

              Many people use words wrongly,like ‘there’ for ‘their’ but that doesn’t make the usage right. Some people think that ‘what the dickens’ refers to Charles Dickens although it was in use centuries before he was born and means ‘what the devil’. Some people pronounce homage as hom-mage to rhyme with fromage.

              TipTop obviously knew that kahunas are not testicles. The fact that an icecream treat was called that indicates that kahunas does not mean balls.

            • Corky

               /  19th February 2020

              As stated previously:

              ”Kahunas for balls is in common usage around the world regardless of whether that usage is right or wrong .”

    • Blazer

       /  19th February 2020

      try ..changing the…channel.

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      • Corky

         /  19th February 2020

        Three News. One News. NSR. Talkback. Le journal. All have been infected to various degrees. Hell, if you want Maori, there are more then enough Maori media outlets to cater for your needs. English is the universal language…and there’s a reason for that!

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  3. Blazer

     /  19th February 2020

    cry me a..river..

    ‘It has released its latest Financial Institutions Performance Survey for 2019, which shows New Zealand banks’ combined net profit dropped 0.99 per cent to $5.71 billion in the year.’-Stuff.

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    • Duker

       /  19th February 2020

      This was the Stuff headline …. this is what good PR ‘buys’
      ‘Afterpay a headache for banks, KPMG says as sector profits fall’

      The fall was less than 1% , but the $5.7 bill for the sector is buried, some have all the luck

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  4. Trump: “I’m actually, I guess, the chief law enforcement officer of the country”

    Technically… NO. The Attorney General is the head of the DOJ and chief law enforcement officer of the federal government of America.

    But in light of the way that Barr has bent over backwards to enable the tyranny of Trump’s political interference in America’s judicial process, the distinction is no longer there.

    Still, the nice thing about Trump freeing every corrupt person ever mentioned on Fox News is now the GOP doesn’t have to keep pretending Trump gives a flying f**k about corruption.

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  5. Corky

     /  19th February 2020

    Quote:

    ”The ministry says the number of students regularly attending school fell from nearly 70 percent in Term 2, 2015 to 67 percent in the same period last year. Only 55 percent of Maori students were regularly showing up and 57 percent of Pacific students.”

    Have a think about that. If you aren’t worried, you should be. Extrapolate that figure into the future, and everyone in some way will be impacted by the results of that statistic.

    Hipkins did his bit by hamstringing charter schools.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/344943/rise-in-school-absence-rates-atrocious

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    • Duker

       /  19th February 2020

      Most charter schools just changed to special character schools. and was a tiny number of students , 60-70 would be average. An auckland school with 700 students would be seen as small

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      • Corky

         /  19th February 2020

        You missed the main point. You also missed that Hipkins put special demands on these schools if they continued as character schools. This chap has cost a whole school generation the chance to learn in favour of a non productive scoialist indoctrination.

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        • duperez

           /  19th February 2020

          What special demands?

          How have those affected the pupils and their learning?

          How has that cost a whole school generation the chance to learn in favour of a non productive socialist indoctrination?

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  19th February 2020

            Don’t ask, just don’t.

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          • Corky

             /  19th February 2020

            https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/bill-makes-stronger-public-education-system

            ”How have those affected the pupils and their learning?”

            Uncertainty, and future Character Schools to be governed by the new act if I understand right.

            ”How has that cost a whole school generation the chance to learn in favour of a non productive socialist indoctrination?”

            Parents and kids who withdrew and didn’t enrol during a time of uncertainty over the future of Charter Schools. Non accredited teachers no longer able to teach. Horrors of horrors…they may have real world skills.

            Quote: Newshub

            “I am pleased that we have been able to provide certainty and continuity for the schools’ students and their wider communities. The new designated character and state integrated schools will benefit from the added protections and supports that the state system provides,” Mr Hipkins said.

            ACT leader David Seymour says the moment is bitter-sweet.

            “In the long run, it’s gonna be harder for the students, because the schools will not have the full flexibility that charter schools had to deliver a fresh education,” Mr Seymour told Newshub

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            • duperez

               /  19th February 2020

              I’ll take that as you don’t know of one kid who’s been disadvantaged because the designation of their school has been changed.

              How many parents and kids withdrew and didn’t enrol during a time of uncertainty over the future of Charter Schools? How do you know?

              The stuff about ‘cost a whole school generation the chance to learn in favour of a non productive socialist indoctrination’ of course is simply mindless slogan throwing.

              If you’re going to blather on about educational issues get onto the ‘National Standards’ programme. You know, they were the answer to everything and now they’re no longer. Are they gone too, in ‘favour of a non productive socialist indoctrination?’

            • Corky

               /  19th February 2020

              Short of a reply? I quoted the legislation and two major players involved.

              Talking of mindless slogan throwing…

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  19th February 2020

              Duperez, I told you not to ask…

            • Corky

               /  19th February 2020

              Give us some quotes, Duperez. You may be able to find some.Hint..Newshub. You asked me to front up. I have. You haven’t.

              Just general vagaries like this don’t cut it:

              ”I’ll take that as you don’t know of one kid who’s been disadvantaged because the designation of their school has been changed.”

              No, because I don’t live in Auckland. Should I? But guess how I know?

              Unlike Kitty.. I’m asking.😃

            • duperez

               /  19th February 2020

              I guess you ‘know’ that some kid has been disadvantaged by the designation of their school being changed’ because someone said that some kid has been disadvantaged by the designation of their school being changed. Did the source you get your ‘knowing’ from say how they have been disadvantaged and if the disadvantage is shown by their educational achievement?

              I’m expecting you to tell me how the charter schools were taking all the kids that the ‘ordinary system’ was ‘failing’ and now the institutions are no longer charter schools all the low achievers and those who don’t ‘fit in’ to ‘traditional’ schooling have been cast aside.

              You have to be kidding putting up tripe like, “This chap (has cost a whole school generation the chance to learn in favour of a non productive scoialist(sic) indoctrination” and expecting it to be taken seriously.

              Can you explain what it actually means?

              Another ‘major player,’ an expert in your eyes I guess, is David Seymour. His predecessor John Banks campaigned vigorously for the introduction of charter schools. One of his key angles was the same as a Seymour contribution here. “The schools will not have the full flexibility that charter schools had to deliver a fresh education.”

              After the 2011 election when Banks sat around the inner sanctum and a sop for his support was the introduction of charter schools, he went on with the drivel about flexibility that he had previously spouted.

              Flexibility, that holy grail. He was part of a system that denied schools flexibility. While he was part of a system that demanded uniformity and central control he lamented the lack of flexibility. It was like putting the handbrake on, holding the foot brake firmly down and complaining the driver wasn’t pushing the accelerator hard enough. He had the chance to have flexibility but he constrained it. He lacked the nous for anything but the blind introduction of his ideology.

            • Corky

               /  19th February 2020

              ”Non productive scoialist(sic) indoctrination.”

              If you clicked on spell check, socoialist would have changed to socialist. You would have saved yourself writing (sic).

              John Banks is a Conservative. He was never a fit for ACT who are part time Libertarians, when they aren’t being socialists. I thought that fact would be well known.

              Can you explain what it actually means?

              Already have. And I’ve posted links. You haven’t.

            • duperez

               /  20th February 2020

              Give Banks any labels you want. He and his lot see education, learning and schooling as commodities to be sold and got a foot in the door with charter schools.

              They relied of spurious claims, catchphrases, emotion and appealing to the uninformed. Years later the uninformed are still spewing out nonsense about the schools.

            • Corky

               /  20th February 2020

              ”Give Banks any labels you want. He and his lot see education, learning and schooling as commodities to be sold and got a foot in the door with charter schools.”

              That is blatant bs. Marxist state education is a production line for factory drones and party supporters. The problem is the industrial revolution is over..and Karl is dead. Charter schools are cognizant of those facts.

  6. Alan Wilkinson

     /  19th February 2020

    A total idiot passing herself off as a UN housing expert. On a par with its human rights expertise as per direction from Saudi Arabia as Chair.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/residential/119643746/un-housing-expert-calls-for-nz-rent-freeze-and-cgt-to-end-significant-human-rights-crisis

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  19th February 2020

      Only an idiot would be a landlord or landlady under those circs.

      I see that a women’s commissioner is complaining to the UN about NZ’s gender-based violence. As men are far more likely to be on the receiving end of violence, this is nonsense. Violence is totally unacceptable no matter who the victim is.

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    • Corky

       /  19th February 2020

      Another UN socialist who should be told to bugger off back to NY to munch finger food and find fresh outrages…maybe human rights for women in Muslim countries would be nice for a change.

      People make me laugh when you tell them the UN has a socialist agenda. They call you a conspiracy theorist.

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    • Blazer

       /  19th February 2020

      she identifies the problems well…’At the root of the crisis is a speculative housing market that has been supported by successive governments who have promoted homeownership as an investment, while until recently discontinuing the provision of social housing and providing inadequate tenant protection.”

      No surprise that fans of unearned income do not agree with her.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  19th February 2020

        Why is it unearned ?

        A friend managed to put a deposit on an apartment in Auckland (he didn’t have quite enough, but persuaded them to let him have it) He then rented it out to make it pay for itself. He earned the money for the deposit and for his own house by working as a chef and having boarders to help with the mortgage.

        The apartment is worth much more than he paid for it, which is his good luck. He saw a chance and went for it, spending money on that rather than good cars and such things.

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        • Blazer

           /  20th February 2020

          and if his investment went pear shaped he would blame them’ for letting him talk them into it!
          Home ownership is too important to allow it to be used as a favoured investment vehicle.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  19th February 2020

        You should work for the UN, B. You’d be right up there with their experts.

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  7. Corky

     /  19th February 2020

    Jamie Lee Ross is charged. LOL!

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  19th February 2020

      Schadenfreude; taking pleasure in another’s misfortune.

      Don’t get too excited, he may not be found guilty.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  19th February 2020

        It’s still schadenfreude (lit. shade or shadow joy) to laugh at it.

        Yes, we have all read about it or seen it on the news, thank you.

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        • Duker

           /  19th February 2020

          Wait till he presents his evidence at the trial….. that wont be a german word for hitting the fan ?
          He may be already ‘telling his version’ to the media

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      • Corky

         /  19th February 2020

        Lol..generally means laugh. Of course I was laughing at the irony. I posted the link, er, because I hope it’s Open Forum, Other links have been posted elsewhere. Easy reference for different thread. I doubt Kitty would have been aware of the Soper comments given she refuses to listen to talkback. Her loss,,,not mine.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  20th February 2020

          Nam risu inepto, res ineptior nulla est * (Catullus)

          You were laughing at the arrest, backpedalling won’t work this time.

          Of course I don’t listen to old farts ringing up the radio in the middle of the night.

          * There is nothing sillier than a silly laugh.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  20th February 2020

            As talkback radio is not the only source of news in NZ, and it was not the only place where this was reported, the chances of someone being unaware of the Soper comments are very slight.

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  9. Trump should have called his children Quid, Pro, and Quo, and be done with…

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    • Duker

       /  20th February 2020

      “Lawyer’s don’t usually make claims in court they can’t prove.”
      Load of rubbish… lawyers in court make all sorts of absurd claims, on behalf of their clients.
      This claim isnt even made in Court.
      Assange seems to attract every kook on the planet, including as his lawyers

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      • Duker

         /  20th February 2020

        oops..they did/are going to make the claim in court.
        ”The witness statement will address “Mr. Rohrabacher going to see Mr. Assange, and saying on instructions of the president, offering pardon or some other way out if Mr. Assange played ball and said the Russians had nothing to do with” the leaks,”

        The witness statement will be made by ‘one of Assanges lawyers’ , but in effect is hearsay, ie the lawyer didnt hear it themselves, but we shall see if the judge allows it.

        Dana Rohrbacher is often referred to as ‘a friend of Putin’ , but hes not close to Trump. Doesnt really pass the sniff test

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  20th February 2020

      Oh dear, Ishmael. Trump’s RCP job approval poll avg has broken over 46% for the first time. Americans obviously don’t listen to the right journalists. It’s pretty funny listening to them condemning Trump for pardoning evil Democrats though.

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  10. Corky

     /  20th February 2020

    Free speech is not alive and well in Aotearoa.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12309850

    Peter Singer’s views on euthanizing the disabled goes back twenty years. I listened to his interview with HDA. He is here to talk on treatments for autism.

    The irony. SkyCity, shysters of the first water, becoming a moral compass.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  20th February 2020

      What he advocates is murder in NZ law . No wonder the owners of the venue wanted him out, if he’s inciting an illegal act – murder.

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    • Corky

       /  20th February 2020

      Of course opinion v advocates are two different things. We have free speech, or we don’t.
      Many women already abort disabled fetuses.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  20th February 2020

        Whether one likes it or not, abortion is not a crime in law. I am pro-life, but realise that abortion is not illegal.

        Killing a child is illegal, even if killing a foetus isn’t.

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  11. Corky

     /  20th February 2020

    Let’s hope the religion of peace isn’t at it again? No suspects at the moment.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51567971

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    • Duker

       /  20th February 2020

      Attacks on Hookah bars…..seems like a thing Tarrant would do if he went to Germany instead

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  20th February 2020

        Perhaps, but mosques are a softer target and there’s more scope for killing children there.

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      • Corky

         /  20th February 2020

        Did you ever work out why Tarrant talked well of Muslims in his travels. Then he travels to Europe…next he gets a gun and exterminates Muslims in New Zealand.

        Did you ever wonder why, Duker? Or doesn’t puzzles interest you?

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  20th February 2020

          Where and when did he speak well of Muslims ?

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        • Corky

           /  20th February 2020

          Quote:

          ”His suspended Facebook page also showed a post from Pakistan in 2018 in which he called the country “an incredible place filled with the most earnest, kind hearted and hospitable people in the world,” according to the Herald.”

          https://www.nst.com.my/world/2019/03/469965/christchurch-shooter-had-enjoyed-multiple-trips-turkey-pakistan

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          • Duker

             /  20th February 2020

            You get the first one free…it’s so bleeding obvious
            He didn’t have a problem with Muslims in places like Pakistan , etc
            It was Muslims in Western countries he had a pathological hadred of

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            • Corky

               /  20th February 2020

              ‘He didn’t have a problem with Muslims in places like Pakistan , etc’

              Well, no. He would have made that obvious in his writings. That said, neither you or I know his true mindset. Therefore we must interpret what he has written.

              ”It was Muslims in Western countries he had a pathological hatred of.”

              Not to start with, it would seem. But definitely true given time. My guess is he experienced or was warned about going into Muslim enclaves. He may have experienced the ‘Muslim Stare.” that lets an Infidel know in no uncertain terms the hatred felt for him.

              You may wonder how I know about the Muslim stare? At first I thought it was me. But it wasn’t. You can only experience it.

              But here’s my guess why Tarrant did what he did. He thought, how the fuck can we let these people dictate the norms from enclaves inside our own European nations? How indeed.

              I think Tarrant wanted to spark a revolution. He did wrong. He allegedly murdered innocent people thinking folks would finally understand the problem in our mist. He didn’t take into consideration the ignorance of the average Westerner who has no conception of the jaundiced eyes that envy him from afar and within.

              Tarrants beef should have been with our politicians, not innocent worshipers.

              Britain has waited 20 years for immigration reform…20 YEARS! Boris is finally moving on this issue.

              https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/19/boris-johnson-immigration-reforms-home-office-skilled-migration

              https://www.ummah.com/forum/forum/misc/anonymous-posting-counselling-forum/307440-why-do-some-muslims-stare

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  20th February 2020

              Muslim stare ? Don’t flatter yourself that you’re so fascinating that people stare at you.

              Why would a Muslim envy you ? Again, don’t flatter yourself.

              And yes, I have met and seen many Muslims. A lot live in the Waikato. I don’t see them staring at the rest of us, enviously or otherwise. I have been in a Muslim country, which I suspect you haven’t. I have a Muslim GP and there is another Muslim GP in the practice. They don’t walk around staring enviously at people.

            • Corky

               /  20th February 2020

              Obviously I and the people in the link I provided, have made this stare business up, according to Kitty.

              ”Don’t flatter yourself that you’re so fascinating that people stare at you.”

              Nowhere did I say that. I wish people would stick with the facts.

              ”A lot live in the Waikato. I don’t see them staring at the rest of us, enviously or otherwise.”

              There’s a reason for that, but why waste my time?

              From the link:

              Re: Why do some Muslims stare?

              I totally understand what you are talking about. Being a whitey, Ive tried to be nice and smile and say salaam, but the blanks, stares or dirty looks do begin to get you down.
              All I can say is that Ive learnt to chill. I do my bit, if they dont wanna, then fine.
              I said Salaam to a black sista three times the other day, i got blanked and then i asked her, “you ok?” and she was like, “yeah”, so i left it at that. Sad, but u know, its them thats got a problem. Not me.

              Dont stress, you got a good heart, some ppl dont. SMiling is charity in itself. Simples.

              Some ppl forget that practicing ur religion is more than praying only.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  21st February 2020

              The reason for many of the Waikato Muslims living here is that they worked for NZ as UN translators and risked their lives by doing so. The least we could do was offer them a sanctuary.

              They are not such a novelty here that people gawp at them in the street.

              If you stand there open-mouthed and with eyes stuck out like organ stops, the person may well stare back.

              But I think that you did, in fact, make the staring at you up after you read the website.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  21st February 2020

          I didn’t say that you had invented it, but you have repeated it as if it it was true and embellished it by claims that you, too, have been on the receiving end of what is obviously rubbish.

          You repeated the story of Muslims supposedly breaking up a pub in England when not only witnesses but video footage showed that they were walking past when the pub inmates began abusing them and throwing furniture at them.

          People who imagine that they are constantly being stared at ARE flattering themselves that they are so fascinating that others want to stare at them.

          The Muslim stare is all in the minds of bigots.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  21st February 2020

            The concept only seems to be on that one website and written in such gibberish that it’s barely intelligible.

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  12. Corky

     /  20th February 2020

    Sean v Andrew. A vicious interview. He was called Angry Andy for a reason. Sean also loses it. Damn!

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/02/andrew-little-has-fiery-debate-with-sean-plunket-over-right-to-silence-laws.html

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    • Duker

       /  20th February 2020

      Seems like Plunkett lost it and cut him off…Little just said in’ Radioland they have to give things up’
      Pray tell where Little was ‘angry’…..however Little isn’t one of my favourite labour ministers, he seems to be stuck in the 70s. And as Trump would call it ‘low energy’

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  20th February 2020

        I am not a Little fan by any means, but this seemed to be Sean Plunkett having tantrums and tizzwozzes, not Andrew Little. He doesn’t seem to know that if someone’s brutalised, it means that they are made brutal, just as someone who’s radicalised becomes radical and so on.

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      • Corky

         /  20th February 2020

        Ah, Duker. Have a listen to the first few words out of Andy’s cakehole. Little set the tone and manipulated Sean’s emotions. Andrew used controlled aggression.

        That’s the trouble with Sean and I, we care about victims. Especially kids half kicked to death. We aren’t interested in ‘brutalised v brutal.’ Sean now has over 10,000 signatures on his petition. I have also stated how this problem could be solved quick smart.

        Over to you, Simon. Many votes await you.

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        • Duker

           /  20th February 2020

          Plunkett only cares about ratings …he doesn’t have any …what sort person exploits human tradgedy and a badly injured child for money and keeping his job….we do know his predecessors all got the sack for low ratings.

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        • duperez

           /  20th February 2020

          I am pleased you suggested listening to the first few words out of Andy’s ‘cakehole.’
          Saying of those words, “Little set the tone and manipulated Sean’s emotions. Andrew used controlled aggression,” lays a very clear picture. Not about Plunket, not about Little but about your perspectives.

          The more you say the better. The more you conclude with things like, “Over to you, Simon. Many votes await you,” the more is demonstrated that appealing to the intelligence of voters could be wasted – some have none.

          As an aside, I can imagine a politician commenting on the tone of something directed towards them as manipulating emotions and using controlled aggression, being given the advice to ‘toughen up’ and being labelled a ‘snowflake.’

          Would you perchance say that about Chloe Swarbrick for example?

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          • Corky

             /  20th February 2020

            Look, there’s a million things I could write about your comments. But let’s simplify. I have predicted time and time again political events before they happen. That means I am understanding or percieving things you aren’t.
            You are not, to my knowededge, able to predict anything.

            So, let’s get the ball rolling. Call the election.

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            • duperez

               /  20th February 2020

              Congratulations of being able to call things. It’s a Trump-like quality. He always knew, always knows the moves to make, able to predict. Qualities which define him as a fine intelligent specimen of a human I’m sure.

              I generally can’t predict things. The best I can do is predict you will make further short-sighted, limited comments on here. Some of them will have parodic qualities. To wit, “socialists are sly and they will catch you slippin if you aren’t careful. Their hate/ dislike knows no limits.” 🙂

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  21st February 2020

              ‘Call the election.’

              It’s been called. It was called some time ago. It’s September 19.

              Do try to keep up.

          • Corky

             /  20th February 2020

            Little: ”yeah, and no doubt you want to talk about your petition as well.”

            That after Sean had given a reasonable preambe to the interview and shown Andy respect.

            As I repeat often, socialists are sly and they will catch you slippin if you aren’t careful. Their hate/ dislike knows no limits.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  20th February 2020

          Brutalised vs, brutally treated.

          Given your frequent comments about wishing that the police would baton protestors and other sadistic remarks (even your metaphors tend to be violent) , you certainly don’t seem like someone who cares about victims of brutality.

          Reply
        • Corky

           /  20th February 2020

          So, it’s been suggested I don’t care about victims. Of course I don’t care about victims of brutality at the hands of police because 99% of the time they are breaking the law after repeated warnings. But, come on, our police brutal? They are woke powder puffs..and every crook across the land knows it.

          But I continually put the innocent victims first in my comments. No one else seems to. And if I mention SST, the polemic doesn’t stop.

          Of course, I was the only one on this blog who didn’t post for three days out of respect for mosque victims. Funny that. The people that continually told me I was racist were busy posting up a storm at the expense of dead mosque members.
          I’m using the same yard stick as applied to Sean Plunket today…and myself on other occasions.

          Reply
          • Blazer

             /  20th February 2020

            you’re terrible..Muriel.!

            Reply
            • Kitty Catkin

               /  21st February 2020

              Indeed; he wants to exterminate (which means kill) all gang members.

              He wants to watch torture.

              Terrible indeed.

  13. Alan Wilkinson

     /  21st February 2020

    So the judge decided on the sentencing guidelines that 40 months was the correct sentence for Stone. Obviously the Mueller prosecutors 9 years demand was indeed ridiculous and Trump and Barr were quite right to call it out. A good thing those prosecutors resigned – they were obviously politically biased and unprofessional.

    Reply
    • Here at least judges often don’t go for sentences suggested by prosecutors. Somewhere in between is common. And that seems largely what has happened here.

      Reply
      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  21st February 2020

        In both countries there are sentencing rules to follow once the charges are laid and proven. As I understand it the main influence prosecutors have on sentencing is deciding what charges to bring. The Lefty outcry about the DoJ intervention was ridiculous political theatre mostly based in gross ignorance.

        Reply
        • Do you think this sentence seems fair enough?

          Reply
          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  21st February 2020

            Given that the US incarceration rate is grossly excessive compared with the rest of the world I expect it is excessive but consistent.

            Did Stone cause any material harm to anyone? Not much if any I suspect.

            Reply
            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  21st February 2020

              FWIW I suspect most politicians cause far more harm to more people than Stone did.

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