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  1. Trump ally Roger Stone sentenced to 40 months in prison

    Trump loyalist and ally Roger Stone was sentenced Thursday (local time) to 40 months in federal prison, following an extraordinary move by Attorney General William Barr to back off his Justice Department’s original sentencing recommendation.

    US District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson said Stone’s crimes demanded a significant time behind bars, but she said the seven to nine years originally recommended by the Justice Department were excessive.

    Stone’s lawyers had asked for a sentence of probation, citing his age of 67 years, his health and his lack of criminal history.

    Stone was convicted in November on all seven counts of an indictment that accused him of lying to Congress, tampering with a witness and obstructing the House investigation into whether the Trump campaign coordinated with Russia to tip the 2016 election.

    A Goldilocks sentence somewhere in between an excessive original proposal by prosecutors and a wety bus ticket requested by defence. Not really surprising. It is still a significant sentence. I don’t know much sentence he will actually serve in the US – unless Trump really stirs things up and gives his friend a pardon.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  21st February 2020

      So the judge decided on the sentencing guidelines that 40 months was the correct sentence for Stone. Obviously the Mueller prosecutors 9 years demand was indeed ridiculous and Trump and Barr were quite right to call it out. A good thing those prosecutors resigned – they were obviously politically biased and unprofessional.

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      • More serial spinning of bunkum from Alan:

        1. the 7-9 year sentencing guideline was established by the Probations Office, not the prosecutors, and the guidelines are mandated by federal laws.

        2. Barr has claimed the prosecution as his own (while trying to distance himself from Trump’s tweets): “Well, as you know, the Stone case was prosecuted while I was attorney general. And I supported it. I think it was established, he was convicted of obstructing Congress and witness tampering. And I thought that was a righteous prosecution. And I was happy that he was convicted.” – interview with ABC News, 14 February 2020

        3. the judge who presided over the case has been very clear: “The defendant lied about a matter of great national and international significance. This is not campaign hijinks. This is not just Roger being Roger … There was nothing unfair, phony or disgraceful about the investigation or the prosecution … The truth still exists. The truth still matters. Roger Stone’s insistence that it doesn’t, his pride in his own lies are a threat to the very foundation of this democracy.” – Judge ABJ during sentencing

        4. a reminder of Stone’s impact: Jackson says the House Intelligence Committee’s Russia probe was stymied because of Stone. “His obstruction led to an inaccurate, incomplete and incorrect report.”

        5. even Stone’s friends described him as a provocateur and dirty trickster, in letters on his behalf.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  21st February 2020

          The guidelines mandated by federal laws are exactly what the judge applied. If the prosecutors are now blaming the Probation Office perhaps there should be more resignations by politically motivated incompetents there.

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          • Duker

             /  21st February 2020

            No the guidelines are more than what the Judge applied. They arent mandatory!
            While he isnt the worst crimes , he seems to have had aggravating circumstances all along the way , including no reduction for ‘pleading guilty’

            “The Federal Sentencing Guidelines play a heavy role in all federal cases. While not mandatory, federal law has established a point system for offenses. There are points for the type of crime and then various enhancements (additional points) for things like the dollars involved (stolen), the role of the perpetrator (was he a leader or follower), was the person in a position of trust, etc. Then points are deducted for pleading guilty and helping authorities. Stone went to trial and was found guilty leaving him no way to achieve any point reduction. He got the full brunt of the Sentencing Guidelines.

            Stone’s base level offense was for obstruction of justice (related to a number of counts), which called for 14 points. He then got an enhancement that involved causing or threatening to cause physical injury to a person … Stone told a person who was considering cooperating in the case “prepare to die C#$%sucker.” Stone also allegedly threatened the witnesses dog. That got Stone another 8 points … so we’re up to 22 points. He then got another 3 points for, “substantial interference with the administration of justice.” There was another 2 points for the extensive planning of his crime and, finally there were 2 more points because Stone “willfully obstructed or impeded, or attempted to obstruct or impede, the administration of justice with respect to the prosecution of the instant offense of conviction.” Whew … 29 points.
            Stone has never been in trouble before so he was a Criminal Category I … no prior offenses.”

            If one looks at the Federal Sentencing Guideline table, the 29 points equates to 87-108 months (7-9 years).
            Which is what the Prosecutors recommended ( before Barr intervened)
            This is the Sentencing Table
            https://blog.simplejustice.us/2016/09/07/past-performance-is-a-good-indicator/

            “For example, if the Court were not to apply the eight-level enhancement for threatening a witness with physical injury, it would result in the defendant receiving an advisory Guidelines range of 37 to 46 months,…
            Which is what he got . Amazing that he threatened a witness with injury …. but there it is

            Your whole point Wilco is a farrago of nonsense. There was no biased prosecutors, same happens here where they generally ask for the longest sentence

            “There are actually three recommendations provided to the judge in federal cases; one from prosecutors, one from the defense and another from the US Probation Office (referred to as the Presentence Report). Prosecutors typically ask for the maximum,…”

            https://www.forbes.com/sites/walterpavlo/2020/02/14/trumps-tweet-on-roger-stone-shows-how-whacky-sentencing-guidelines-have-become/#5676a9b11c99

            A lot of people say the US sentencing guidelines are terrible , but no reason not to apply them for Stone and his crimes, as would be for amnyone else.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  21st February 2020

              Except that the person threatened denied any concern it was meant as a physical threat.
              And httpss://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/483620-free-roger-stone

            • Duker

               /  21st February 2020

              ““prepare to die C#$%sucker.”
              Stone also allegedly threatened the witnesses dog
              Thats a threat in anybodys language , later probably intimidated into saying it really meant ‘best wishes’
              Do you think the Feds are that stupid ?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  21st February 2020

              Yes the Feds are that stupid. The guy worked with Stone. He knew what his language was like and how to interpret it.

            • Blazer

               /  22nd February 2020

              @Al…. ‘Lefty FBI thugs ‘…please get help…urgently!

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  23rd February 2020

              Don’t need to, B. Trumpy is draining your swamp.

    • duperez

       /  21st February 2020

      Surely Stone will be well down the pardon list won’t he, what with Trump busy looking for young Afro-American and Mexican males to pardon? 🙃

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      • Duker

         /  21st February 2020

        Nope…Stone was the person who pushed for Trump to run for President long before he was interested.
        These current pardons are prequels…just to stir up the waters before so it will be a ‘so what ‘ event.
        Stone will be out by the weekend with a Late Friday night pardon

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        • Which will be an interesting move, in and of itself. Once Stone is pardoned he loses the ability to plead the fifth amendment in any future investigations into his cover-up on Trump’s criminality.

          As well as that, the pardoning itself can be deemed obstruction of justice on Trump’s part. Plus the way a pardon works is that it carries an “imputation of guilt,” and acceptance of a pardon is a confession to such guilt.

          As for Alan’s blustery bunker above, well done, Duker: “a farrago of nonsense” indeed. When it comes to Trump, Alan is gullible, narrowly researched, and lives in an alternate reality, and this claptrap about stupid and corrupt federal prosecutors is just more Trumpian projection.

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  2. The Sustainable Party looks unsustainable.

    Resignations, allegations swirl within Sustainable NZ

    Fledgling political party Sustainable New Zealand has been rocked by a flurry of resignations and allegations of questionable behaviour by its leader, Newsroom can reveal.

    One of the departees, former party secretary and board chair Helen Cartwright, has criticised the party’s lack of profile, policy and money, likening the nascent organisation to “a fast fail”.

    Sustainable New Zealand launched in November last year, with founder and leader Vernon Tava pledging to lead a “full-time environment party” which could partner either National or Labour.

    It was a fairly mediocre launch, with nothing noticeable since, so it won’t be a surprise if it fizzles out.

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  3. Corky

     /  21st February 2020

    History never repeats? National was elected in the late 2000’s, and walked straight into the GFC. National may become elected in a few months time and walk straight into a GFC caused by Coronavirus. But who better to be at the helm then Simon and his band of righteous RIGHTIES.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/02/covid-19-high-chance-coronavirus-will-arrive-in-new-zealand-expert.html

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    • Duker

       /  21st February 2020

      The GFC which began in US in late 2007 was at the core a ‘bank panic’…credit dried up.
      Plenty of credit still around now

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      • Corky

         /  21st February 2020

        Perception is everything regardless of the cause.

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        • Duker

           /  21st February 2020

          Your perceptions are almost wrong ….yesterdays German mass shooting for example

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          • Corky

             /  21st February 2020

            I was talking about the publics general perception. As to the mass shootings.. are you telling me Islamic terroism worldwide isn’t way, way, way out of porportion to far right killings? This hinges on your perceptions of reality.

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            • Duker

               /  21st February 2020

              You were wrong about your perception. You cant talk for anyone elses. In reality those terrorist killers in NZ and Germany have just more extreme versions of your own views and as such you ‘dont notice’ these previous events
              Last year on Oct. 9, a neo-Nazi called Stephan B. from Eisleben set out to commit a massacre at a synagogue in the eastern German city of Halle.
              The murder of the regional CDU politician Walter Lübcke on June 2 of last year also falls into the category of far-right violence. He supported Merkels open door migrant policy.

              ” May 2015, members of the neo-Nazi “Oldschool Society” were arrested in five different German towns before they were able to carry out any attacks. They had allegedly planned attacks against refugee homes, mosques and schools.
              In October 2015, a right-wing extremist stabbed Henriette Reker, an independent candidate for Cologne mayor, in the neck with a knife. She was targeted because of her views on refugees. Reker survived the attack and was elected Cologne mayor the next day.
              ‘July 22, 2016, an 18-year-old man killed nine people, many of them teenagers, in a mass shooting at the Olympia shopping mall in northern Munich before ultimately turning the gun on himself..Authorities noted he had written a manifesto and demonstrated right-wing extremist views in his online activity.
              For 13 years, the neo-Nazi terrorist group National Socialist Underground (NSU) was unknown to the German public. Their members, Uwe Böhnhardt and Uwe Mundlos — who police knew to be neo-Nazis — carried out bombings and shootings between 2000 and 2007 that killed nine people of immigrant background and a police officer.

              There have also been attacks on refugee centres where no one was killed.
              Yes there has been a few attacks from muslim extremists
              https://www.dw.com/en/right-wing-terror-in-germany-a-timeline/a-52451976

              Hows that for wrong on perception and wrong on the overall facts. A typical Trumpanzee who is ‘wrong all the time’ , like him

            • Corky

               /  21st February 2020

              ”In reality those terrorist killers in NZ and Germany have just more extreme versions of your own views and as such you ‘don’t notice’ these previous events.”

              Really? There’s many of us then. People who just want immigration controlled. We have no interest in killing Muslims. Yet you conflate my views as ultimately leading to ‘white terrorism.’

              How then do we discuss the Muslim problem and hope to sway a government as the British have done with Boris, who is dealing with immigration? Put our heads in the sand like you?

              You then go on to list some Neo Nazi bombings and killings. Finishing up, you say:

              ”Hows that for wrong perceptions and wrong overall facts. A typical Trumpanzee who is ‘wrong all the time’ , like him.”

              We now see how your ideology blinds you to the facts.

              https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30

              https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/christian-attacks.aspx

              Here’s the most important list, Duker. You typical obtuse liberal apologist for the death of Westerners

              https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/europe-attacks.aspx

            • Corky

               /  21st February 2020

              ”That is an obviously biased website. Look at who writes for it.”

              What an idiotic statement. Who cares who writes for it. The facts are either right or wrong. Oh, they made the list up. Let’s check:

              ”2017.08.17 Spain Barcelona 14d 130i A Muslim driver mows down over a hundred pedestrians along a venue, killing fourteen, including a 3-year-old and his mother.”

              Pay walled. But enough Info. NYT

              Van Hits Pedestrians in Deadly Barcelona Terror Attack – The …www.nytimes.com › world › europe › barcelona-catalunya-van
              Aug 17, 2017 – More than a dozen were killed and scores injured in two attacks in Spain on … Spain was hit by its worst terrorist attack in more than a decade on … The Barcelona police said none were believed to be the driver, who … Among the seriously injured was a 6-year-old girl hospitalized with a … July 14, 2017.

              I think we need to take what Kitty writes as good fiction for the feeble minded.

            • Duker

               /  21st February 2020

              Since when has Barcelona been in Germany….?

              “Oh, they made the list up. ” hahahaha . Trumpanzee again !

              So they made up events where people were killed in Germany ?

            • Corky

               /  21st February 2020

              ”Since when has Barcelona been in Germany….”

              Duker now starts to jive..because he’s down for five.

              “Oh, they made the list up. ” hahahaha . Trumpanzee again !

              Anthing to save face. Maybe he misread what I wrote.

              ”So they made up events where people were killed in Germany ?”

              No! Of course not. Like I say, facts are either right or wrong.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  21st February 2020

            That is an obviously biassed website. Look at who writes for it.

            Islam and Islamism are totally different things. The fact that a minority distort a religion’s views is no reflection on the religion itself. Appalling things have been done in the name of Christianity and even Buddhism, but only a fool would think that the religion itself called for these. There are different branches in most religions, and anyone who has studied them would know this.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  21st February 2020

              The incidents in Spain happened in 2107; this is 2020.

              The website is by bigots, for bigots and the ignorant who either don’t know or deny that there is more than one branch of Islam, just as there is for other religions. Not all Christians are Protestant, nor are they all Catholic. There are many kinds within these groups. Judaism has several branches. Islam has several, also. This is not my invention. Even Corky should have heard of them. Look them up if you don’t believe me.

              Any group supported by the unlovely Milo whatever his surname is should automatically be suspect.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  21st February 2020

              Facts may be right or wrong, but the intelligent know that they can be distorted.

              Not long ago a man was seen lying on the floor in a shop in my town. Another man was hitting him as hard as he could. Was this an assault ?
              No, the first man had had a cardiac arrest and the second was a local doctor.

  4. lurcher1948

     /  21st February 2020

    After the latest massacre in Germany involving a racist rightwinger killing 9 persons,should the World Health Organization”WHO”declare white rightwingers a mental health issue, and ALL rightwingers be detained for the safety of the world….rightwingers and guns,SCARY

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    • Corky

       /  21st February 2020

      You want scary. According to the spokeswoman for the Gun Owners Association, there are 250, 000 gun owners in NZ. Many are very impressed with David Seymour who has stood up for sane gun laws, and has not been swayed by knee jerk legislation. Others are sitting on the fence waiting to see what Winston will do. Do the maths, Lurchy. And stop that shaking.
      😮😨

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      • Duker

         /  21st February 2020

        Yeah sure …ACT poll numbers went up 1%… Can’t havebeen the vast majority who aren’t impressed by a geek who’s never owned a gun or hunted …there’s your problem right there …the message and the messenger are contradictory.

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        • Corky

           /  22nd February 2020

          I’ll hold my opinion on this one, Duker. Of course, much depends on Winston as I mentioned. Funny thing is, you and your ilk had written ACT off previously. I remember the sniggering. My, how things change.

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  5. Corky

     /  21st February 2020

    And so the assault on gifts provided by Western civilization continues.

    Quote:

    ”Latin and Art History would be dropped from level 1 altogether, Māori Performing Arts would be added, and some other subjects would be rolled into other, broader subjects.”

    I can see Kitty clutching her literatura tightly. Waiting for the culture police to come and confiscate them… and provide her with Level One- Let’s all learn Te Reo.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/409978/education-ministry-announces-changes-to-ncea

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    • Duker

       /  21st February 2020

      Art History at NCEA Level 1 ? How many students last year …12?

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  21st February 2020

        Dropped from Level One doesn’t mean dropped altogether, of course.

        The statement about me is too silly to dignify with a response.

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  6. Duker

     /  21st February 2020

    Hard to find news

    How many people even knew that Australia has actual coronavirus cases of its own
    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/authorities-prepared-for-all-eventualities-as-australia-braces-for-more-coronavirus-cases
    “Ten Australians are being treated for the virus, and another five have already recovered.”

    And that was a week ago . They want the world to think it hasnt yet arrived and are even thinking of a tourism campaign to show they are ‘safe’

    It can only increase as the weather get colder like all flu and colds do

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  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  21st February 2020

    A tiny victory for humanity trying to escape the moronic and destructive building bureaucracy in this country:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/119637072/movable-vehicle-is-not-a-building-victory-for-tiny-homes-in-landmark-case

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    • Duker

       /  21st February 2020

      Not connected to any council services and lives off the grid

      Thats not going to work for most ‘tiny houses’.
      We will see if its appealed as a District Court judge decision has no precedent for any other judge or Council and only applies in the case considered.

      Did you not read about another TH last week in Hutt in this story.
      “While Environment Court Judge Brian Dwyer said the Hutt City Council had “mucked up” in its dealings with Voss, he found Voss’ contention that his tiny house was a vehicle was “a flight of imagination”.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  21st February 2020

        I’d have to say that the Voss house was not a caravan/mobile home of any kind.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  21st February 2020

        The bureaucratic building Vogons are simply a middle-class conspiracy against the poor. Best to be taken out and shot when the revolution comes. Except that the Left don’t advocate for the actual poor any longer, just for their own comfort zone dressed up as moral concerns. Therefore they want their high-paid paper-shuffling unproductive and counterproductive jobs justified as ensuring the poor can only have high quality fully checked and approved housing that they cannot afford. So the taxpayer must be shaken down to fund this lunacy. Welcome to the modern socialist asylum.

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        • Duker

           /  21st February 2020

          Since when have you become ‘poor’

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  21st February 2020

            I can afford to pay for the bureaucratic lunacy, poor people can’t. But also for people like me it reduces the number of constructive activities I am able or willing to do.

            Utterly disgusting stupidity.

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            • Duker

               /  21st February 2020

              Poor people can’t afford any houses, consented or not. And apart from a few kooks all the others want a house that doesn’t have faults from ‘home builds’.
              I’ve reported to council a number of those type as they stand out…garages turned into living areas and some times major extensions done without any consents…they are obvious to someone with a rudimentary background like me.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  21st February 2020

              If the owners and occupiers are happy with them why is it any of your business, or of Council’s?

            • Blazer

               /  22nd February 2020

              @Al….can you fit up a chimney…Al?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  22nd February 2020

              No, B, can you? Auckland Council salaries top $500m. That alone would build a couple of thousand houses a year. Multiply it by 5-10 for the rest of their overheads and the paper-pushing it demands from anyone trying to do anything. Then add the costs of delays and the idleness of people prevented from working usefully and you get an idea of the extent of their destructiveness.

          • Duker

             /  22nd February 2020

            Council staff numbers are around 11500

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        • Seriously, Alan? You’re advocating violence against council staff. That’s such a stupid comment…

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  22nd February 2020

            Evidently you missed the irony, Ishmael. It’s always the Left hanging out for the revolution. Just ask Z.

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    • Deadlocked on the two most serious charges – carrying minimums of 10 years, up to life.

      One of the charges the jury is unanimous on has up to a 25 year prison sentence (first-degree rape). If they’re deadlocked on more serious charges, then there is a distinct possibility they found him guilty on this one.

      Fingers crossed that the jury sees its way to a clean sweep of guilty verdicts on Monday.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  22nd February 2020

        Fingers crossed the jury delivers justice supported by the evidence and law whatever that may be.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  22nd February 2020

          He may well be a sleazy person who traded favours for sex, but that doesn’t mean that he’s a rapist.The story of his happening to turn up twice when one complainant was so drunk that she was poured into the lobby ot her apartment building (how did he know?) and forcing his way in was less than credible, and the one who sent him a text or email saying that she loved him but didn’t like (being seen as available for sex) can hardly accuse him of rape; one doesn’t tell a rapist that one loves him,. surely.

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      • Duker

         /  22nd February 2020

        This explains it
        “In all, Weinstein faces five charges:
        first-degree criminal sexual act,
        first-degree rape,
        third-degree rape
        and two counts of predatory sexual assault.
        The two first-degree charges are each punishable by at least five years and a maximum of 25 years in prison. The third-degree rape charge is punishable by probation up to four years. The predatory sexual assault charges come with a sentence of 10 years up to life in prison.
        But several of those charges are either/or counts, or what’s known as “alternative” charges. Weinstein can only be convicted of, at most, two charges — one based on Mann’s allegations and one based on Haley’s.

        I would think if they are considering one of the ‘alternate charges’ its because they have found him NOT guilty of the main charges
        https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/19/us/harvey-weinstein-charges-explainer/index.html

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  9. An old friend emailed me yesterday from America: “A tractor battery that cost $87 last year is now priced at $147… And I don’t qualify for a bailout”

    Trump’s farmer trade bailout is already more than 2x the size of the 2009 auto bailout.

    Except Obama’s auto bailout was a set of guarantees that were completely paid back by the auto industry, whereas Trumps farmer trade package is a gift to farmers that is paid entirely by American consumers and business and that that has no pay-back.

    And Obama didn’t directly cause the need for the auto bailout through willful misunderstanding of trade policy.

    Meanwhile the failing right is too busy looking for Giuliani, Hunter Biden, Hillary Clinton’s emails, destroying the intel agencies, doing away with the commission to protect the vote, and poisoning the water and environment….

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2019/08/30/amid-trump-tariffs-farm-bankruptcies-and-suicides-rise/

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  10. Alan Wilkinson

     /  22nd February 2020

    The atrocity committed by the Kiwi father against his family in Perth is so deeply upsetting that it deserves an inquiry into how that monster was made and how any others can be prevented.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  22nd February 2020

      I don’t know, of course, but I wonder if his brain was affected by playing football as so many are.

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    • Corky

       /  22nd February 2020

      They are a dime a dozen now days, Alan. I see these type of men in my travels. Just today I witnessed a car pull up near me. A woman exited. There was no hint of a problem. She walked ahead then a man got out. He gave a hard stare in her direction and smashed his fist into the bonnet of his car as he muttered..’fucking bitch gonna pay big time for this when we get home.’ He then spat at the ground in my direction as a sign of disrespect and sauntered off with his arms flared out to the side like a gorilla That of course is what he was..

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  22nd February 2020

        Even more reason to have an enquiry because they are far more likely to have ongoing killings than the likes of the Tarrant atrocity being repeated and we have a Royal Commission on that.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  22nd February 2020

          We can probably discount Corky’s story; he sees so many things right on cue

          As long as rough, violent sport that causes head injuries is feted and admired, there will be men suffering brain damage.

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        • Corky

           /  22nd February 2020

          I would be surprised if Alan hasn’t seem similar. Living in the real world…and not behind a curtain, I can understand why Kitty thinks I see things on cue.

          I will relate again a story I told previously. A family friend who was a drug counsellor refuses to treat P patients. She said it’s an impossible task. She has since left the profession after burning out..and now lives in Morocco. That drug is probably responsible for many violent incidents. They don’t call it ‘Fries’ for nothing. It fries the brain.

          Yep, some people need to get out more.🙄

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  23rd February 2020

            Yes, P is a killer drug for sure, rampant up here in some communities and tied up with gangs. V likely a factor in a lot of violence, crime and crashes. I met an old Mazda Familia at least half a metre over my side of the white line making no effort to get back the other day and my step daughter had a similar near miss a week ago. On our back roads there is no room for that sort of lunacy. And I know families that just live in one crisis after another. Another friend was shocked when a school kid staying over asked, “Do you have dinner every night? We don’t.”. But I suspect the Australian tragedy has other root causes than P and it needs investigation.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  23rd February 2020

            I do indeed live in the real world, not some fantasy one in which I invent stories about myself, my supposed rellies and things I have seen to add verisimilitude to what I say. I have known real victims of violence, not imaginary ones. I saw a street fight in Belgium in which someone was knifed. One of my relations was held with a knife to his throat by the IRA who had invaded his house.

            I don’t live behind real or imaginary curtains, and have been in many countries, unlike Corky. In fact, my house only has curtains in the spare bedroom !

            Morocco seems an odd choice for someone who’s spent time treating drug users and probably wants to get away from drugs. It has a thriving drug culture; it’s virtually a national industry. 11% of those caught smuggling cocaine to Italy were Moroccans. One seizure of cannabis resin at Casablanca was 34 metric tonnes. Some years ago, 100,000 people were employed in the drug industry and thousands of acres of farmland are used to grow the stuff. Drug use & the drug trade are rife in Morocco.

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          • Corky

             /  23rd February 2020

            ”Morocco seems an odd choice for someone who’s spent time treating drug users and probably wants to get away from drugs. ”

            She married a Moroccan.

            That’s the problem with pretending you are psychic…and then setting an imaginary narrative about my life. I being proven RIGHT, time and again
            ( the latest being a mural of a Muslim woman), clearly does not faze Kitty. That is strange in itself.

            Oh, well, its interesting to know Morocco has a drug problem. I would never have guessed.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  23rd February 2020

              She married a Moroccan ? When ? In the last few minutes, I suppose, to add verisimilitude to this story. I’d say that you didn’t know about Morocco’s drug problems and trade or your ‘family friend’ would not have gone to live there.

              No one suggested that the mural didn’t exist, but the fact that you posted it doesn’t prove that it’s where you live. Most of your claims are dodgy. The replica 18/19/20th century bathrooms in a medical centre are so improbable as to be unbelievable.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  23rd February 2020

              early 20th century.

            • Corky

               /  23rd February 2020

              As a matter of fact I’m an ardent collector of Moroccan daggers. And I keep in contact with several dealers who give me a heads up on any dagger they believe I may be interested in.

              Now psychic Kitty believes my friend didn’t know about the Moroccan drug trade. No, she didn’t. Neither did such worry us. You may as well talk about the LA drug trade..name any major country in the world.

              What worried us was she married a Muslim man. I tried to make her understand the problems she MAY face in a Muslim community, especially regarding children. As it is turning out her inlaws have little time for her…but she gets on well with her mother-in law who she adores.

              Some quotes:

              ”Is it safe for tourists in Morocco?

              In truth, Morocco is a safe place to visit. There’s only really small crime there (scams and pickpockets) and you’re unlikely to be assaulted or seriously hurt as a tourist in the country. Morocco is super safe for tourists now. … However, if you follow a few rules, you can leave Morocco unscathed and without incidence.”

              https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2017/03/211319/600000-moroccan-adults-teenagers-addicted-drugs/

              Not good at maths, but given Morocco’s population is 35 million, I wonder
              if on average, we have a bigger drug problem than them?

            • Conspiratoor

               /  23rd February 2020

              Corky, you may enjoy the obsessive trolling but personally I find blogs a more fulfilling experience if you remove certain commenters. I’ve put a ‘view’ over the blogs I visit that hides the low calorie, trolls, screaming skulls, folks with anger management issues etc, see below

              The obsession with ticks annoys me also so I’ve hidden these until I’ve had a little play with the code to add the downticks to the upticks to display a total score

              Disclaimer, I’ve simply changed changed the way blogs are displayed on my screen. I’ve injected no code into the websites themselves

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  23rd February 2020

              At no time did I say that Corky’s friend didn’t know about Morocco’s drug history; I said that it seemed an odd choice for a drug counsellor. This is not the same thing at all.It’s so well known that it’s all but impossible to believe that anyone didn’t know it. It wouldn’t occur to me that anyone would be unaware of it.

              I have never claimed to be psychic; what utter nonsense. Corky is the one who is forever claiming to have predicted events.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  23rd February 2020

              I would have thought that buying & selling daggers was illegal in NZ.

            • Corky

               /  23rd February 2020

              That’s pretty cool, Conspirator. I wish I could do that. Kitty would be gone from my screen. Still, maybe things will change.

  11. Corky

     /  23rd February 2020

    Freedom of choice haters are well satisfied. We cannot have the general population enjoying themselves; or worse, doing things off their own bat without us having a major input.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/02/government-proposes-new-vaping-regulations.html

    Reply
    • Kitty Catkin

       /  23rd February 2020

      Vaping doesn’t kill as many people as smoking does, but it does kill, and it causes respiratory illnesses. A boy in the US had to have a lung and heart transplant because of vaping and will be on medication at a huge cost for life. He probably has health insurance, but other people will be paying for this out of their premiums, just as we all pay for other people out of our insurance (look at how the cost went up after the Christchurch earthquake)

      Vaping was meant to be a tool for stopping smoking, but many people who don’t smoke and never have are using it, even schoolchildren..

      Your argument could be used of any drug; why should we stop people enjoying themselves by using P ? We have laws about alcohol; do you object to those ?

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    • Corky

       /  23rd February 2020

      ”Your argument could be used of any drug; why should we stop people enjoying themselves by using P .”

      Well, of course. Surely Kitty must know I’m a Libertarian by now?

      Reply
  12. Alan Wilkinson

     /  23rd February 2020

    I love it:

    Reply
    • Duker

       /  23rd February 2020

      We have points based migration …cant imagine why any country doesnt use it

      Reply
  13. Corky

     /  23rd February 2020

    Go! Go, Bernie, go!

    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&ei=crdRXtHxDpOF4-EP9I24oA0&q=nevada+caucus+results&oq=nevada+caucus+results&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i324l2j0j0i22i30.1058.3457..3818…0.0..0.278.2090.0j3j7……0….1..gws-wiz…….0i131i67j0i3j0i10i3.YEhzzwxgMqo&ved=0ahUKEwjR8qurpubnAhWTwjgGHfQGDtQQ4dUDCAo&uact=5

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    • Duker

       /  23rd February 2020

      Its another ‘caucus’ like Iowa, not a proper vote like most other states use

      Will we see Sanders win but with sharply reduced numbers from what he got in 2016. (47%)

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      • Corky

         /  23rd February 2020

        ”The victory, while encouraging for Sanders supporters, only deepens concern among establishment-minded Democratic leaders who fear that the self-described democratic socialist is too extreme to defeat Trump.”

        They don’t say! Liberals are sick of Trump. Good, let’s get behind Bernie and give them what they want. Hold on, what do they want?😀

        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/02/bernie-sanders-wins-nevada-s-democratic-presidential-caucuses.html

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        • Duker

           /  23rd February 2020

          He came second last time with 47%, but Clinton and Sanders were the only candidates then.
          When I looked for detailed results it says only 5% are in, but Sanders is leading.
          More relevant is the number who DONT want Sanders, and will Sanders get more than 50%…..polls say he has 30% and the large field still in the race is unusual, with 7 and 5 of those active , not including Bloomberg.
          Caucuses generally get the most activist party members rather than average Democrats who vote in normal primaries

          Reply
        • He was cheated last time, and will be cheated this time. He’ll fold and pass (sell) his support to Hillary like 2016.. Looks like Bloomberg has fizzled out already or won’t do any good in the Caucuses.
          Why anyone would believe anything, any of them say is beyond me.
          https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/19/politics/bernie-sanders-wealth-tax-returns/index.html

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          • Duker

             /  24th February 2020

            Wasnt cheated last time , Clinton just won 5 mill more votes in the primaries, and you know that meant she won.
            Interestingly in 2008 Obama had only about 400,000 more primary votes than Clinton but he won in a landslide of delegates. Was she cheated then ?

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  14. I see the Chicken Littles are out in force. ”The Lotto Powerball prize is too much for one person.”

    ”The UFC is barbaric ” ( they have just set an attendance record for Spark Arena.)

    I wished these woke liberal losers would just fugg of back to their mediocre middle class existence. Who needs them? Not me!

    Reply
    • Duker

       /  23rd February 2020

      Heard of the off switch ?

      Reply
      • Corky

         /  23rd February 2020

        For a ten second rant in an otherwise good interview? It’s not the off switch that needs turning off… it’s these whingers in my opinion. And it’s not their opinion that worries me. It’s the thought of these people having power. They are serious about regulating such activities.

        Are you woke, Duker?

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  15. Alan Wilkinson

     /  23rd February 2020

    Our PC politicians have created another monster – out of control children who know there are no consequences for anything they do because law-abiding adults and authorities cannot physically retaliate if assaulted. The police don’t want to waste their time on them because they know it is just a revolving door which will have them back exactly the same in a few hours. 12,13,15 year-old kids break double-glazed windows, hit a social worker in the back with a steel chair sending her to hospital in an ambulance, smash another staff member’s head with a metal canister, escape, hold up traffic and generally cause mayhem. That was just one OT office experience last week. And there are no secure facilities for these kinds of problem kids in Northland.

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