Open Forum – 24 February

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  1. Blazer

     /  24th February 2020

    the Gypsy King takes boxings throne.
    Tyson Fury from the U.K gives one dimensional K.O king Deontey Wilder a lesson in heavyweight boxing.
    Pop,pop,bang,bang….Wilder no jab,no defence….annihilated.

    As for Parkers next fight…yawn!

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    • Duker

       /  24th February 2020

      Its only one title belt, ( WBC) its more of a pissoir
      Joshua holds the 3 main others plus the minor IBO

      Last ‘undisputed heavyweight champ’ on the ‘throne’ with WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO was Lennox Lewis back in 2000

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      • Blazer

         /  24th February 2020

        WBC is the recognised,main belt.
        There are 16 others…at least.

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        • Duker

           /  24th February 2020

          No its not . WBA was formed in the 1920s . WBC only came in the 1960s
          The ‘other 16’ are a joke

          I explained which is the ‘big four’

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  2. Corky

     /  24th February 2020

    On the previous Open Forum thread Alan was talking of out of control children, and the inability of adults to discipline them. I witnessed this first hand the other week when school started. A new entrant was kicking a wall. Two elderly staff were asking her to stop. They had this bizarre ritual of lightly touching the child’s shoulders, then quickly removing their hands.
    I assume that was woke restraint in action. I said to one lady: ”how do you expect to control the situation if you can’t restrain the child?’ Her reply was: ”you tell me!” I didn’t witness the end of this drama, so I don’t know how the child was dissuaded from her actions.

    In the old days, this problem would have been sorted quick smart. A warning. Then a good smack. Lesson learnt. Problem solved.

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    • Duker

       /  24th February 2020

      Did your kids when grown up do OK after rehab or was it ‘little steps on a journey’

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      • Corky

         /  24th February 2020

        I don’t have any children. Your sarcasm is misplaced. Talking of rehab…what of the little girl I mentioned?

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        • Duker

           /  24th February 2020

          That was my first choice …. but I thought surely not you would have such views about children’s behavior but not have any

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          • Corky

             /  24th February 2020

            You are assuming I don’t have some responsibilities for children not of my own.
            In fact I play a major part in lives of children in my extended family. That I was at school should have told you something. You have added 1+1 and come up with 3.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  24th February 2020

      Yes everyone remembers the joys of the old fashioned school teacher,at Marton junction school as a young child i had to stand an entire learning session for laughing out loud while reading a “Thomas the tank engine” book. Those dinosaur teachers probably ruined more lives than helped….does anyone remembers the canings and strappings.the teacher probably got sexually aroused with all the beatings they dished out

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      • Duker

         /  24th February 2020

        Came up in defamation trial involving Bob Jones , first time I read a proper detailed story that wasnt slanted against Jones
        https://www.noted.co.nz/currently/currently-social-issues/sir-bob-jones-what-really-happened-in-renae-maihi-case
        “DS: All right. And where you’ve said that rather than make kids learn the language – to those Māori still alive, some of them here, who were strapped for speaking Māori at school, do you think that that would be a controversial thing to say?
        RJ: You’re talking about the past – the strapping in schools. We’re talking about now.

        DS: But now we have people with that living memory. As to why Māori is spoken –

        RJ: I got strapped every day at school. Literally. I don’t carry it with me for the rest of my life. You get on with life.”

        They all make the same mistake over that issue. Strapping was the common punishment for ‘everything’ at schools at the time
        The real reason was that the kids had maori as their first language as they learnt it home ( no TV in those days) and had none or very little english.
        School was intended as what would be called ‘English immersion’, where English only was spoken. The immersion-English only was supported by the maori parents too in these rural area schools called native schools ( Urban maori went to normal schools)

        This was common all around western countries at the time as they wanted a standardized national language, whether France, Spain or Italy, Germany which had major regional dialects/languages often unintelligible with each other etc. Standard Spanish is actually the Castilian dialect, Standard Italian is the Tuscan dialect etc

        Even in New England states in US on border with Canada had french speaking migrants from poor backward Quebec who migrated to work in the booming textile business ( now faded). Schools were english only and pupils were punished for speaking french.

        Behind it all was an educational theory that young children had to be restricted from speaking more than one language at once to become fluent . Of course we now know that young children almost all have a natural affinity to learning spoken languages at that age , and instead of limiting the usage of their mother tongue they should be encouraged as well as learning another language.
        Another outdated theory was punishing children with the strap for ‘learning infractions’.

        Im surprised Bob Jones doesnt know all this and was able to refute it during cross examination, but of course when he was able to do so he was cut off.

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        • Corky

           /  24th February 2020

          ”Another outdated theory was punishing children with the strap for ‘learning infraction.”

          A very good point. That destroyed the education desire and thirst for knowledge of many people from previous generations. You learn by making mistakes and self correcting. As a baby does when learning to walk. Montessori schools understood this. Pity they are funded by the MOE, now they are only a shadow of their former selves.

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        • duperez

           /  24th February 2020

          “RJ: I got strapped every day at school. Literally. I don’t carry it with me for the rest of my life. You get on with life.”

          Yes, you leave stuff behind and get on with things. It doesn’t affect you now if it happened years ago. Like when you have your leg chopped off when you’re six or sixteen. No impact at all. I know, I know, you have to get used to your new reality.

          “RJ: I got strapped every day at school. Literally.”

          At the risk of putting the site under the threat of a multi-zillion lawsuit, I call bullshit on that. According to the history he went to school for 13 years. He did not get strapped everyday. Day one in 1940 when he was five, every day, literally to day whatever on his last day in 1957? Bullshit.

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          • Duker

             /  24th February 2020

            The site will be fine …you have shown by the numbers that its your ‘ honestly held opinion’
            Jones could say it was ‘his honestly held hyperbole’ -if there was such a thing.
            From my hazy memory even the worst students might be ‘once a month’

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  24th February 2020

              No. There was a kid in another class at my primary school who literally got strapped almost every day. We could hear it. It was sickening.

            • Gezza

               /  26th February 2020

              Yep. We had a whipping boy one teacher chronically strapped for being a “fat lazy pig” so that gave the go ahead for every bully in the school to beat & knee & kick him at every opportunity. He died young from leukemia. I can still see his face & that of the big teacher, and the most sadistic chronic bullies, all of whom I hated with a passion but couldn’t do anything about in those days.

            • In Form 1 first term a group of eight boys kept a tally of strapping (with a known strappy teacher who also used a golf stick handle). The most was 20. I got 12, which would have been about one a week on average

            • Gezza

               /  27th February 2020

              @ PG. Was this over your obstinacy in always writing it’s when it should be its, by any chance? 😉

            • I got bored at school and my voice tended to carry – so much I was offered lead role in a school operetta. But the teacher was better at strapping than judging singing voices, mine is really crap. I ended up being the narrator.

            • Corky

               /  27th February 2020

              Yeah, but you would’ve been a troublemaker, Pete. Those lashings you received made you a better person. Although people you wind up at The Standard may not think so.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  24th February 2020

          I have some old written school exercises from about 1917, translations of Maori into English, placenames and phrases. I have others from the 50s or 60s, I forget which. It’s simply not true that no Maori was allowed in school. But as I understand it, the English only in schools was a Maori initiative to make sure that the children were as well educated as the Pakeha ones and learned to be fluent in English.

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          • Duker

             /  26th February 2020

            These were what was called native schools in remoter rural areas, not the standard schools you would have attended

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  27th February 2020

              It doesn’t say on the exercises, they only have the dates. They really should be in the Alexander Turnbull Library, I think.

      • Corky

         /  24th February 2020

        Reading your comments, you may have a point, Lurchy.

        ”The teacher probably got sexually aroused with all the beatings they dished out.”

        Times have changed, Lurchy. Now teachers get the ‘bash.’ No time for sexual arousal in this brave new world.😀

        Reintroducing CP without the excesses and sometimes assaults of yesteryear would be quite easy to implement. Even taking care of parents who objected would be a simple proposition.
        Of course, every caning session would be filmed for checking by parent and education officials. The film would then be destroyed.

        But we know that won’t happen. So it’s more of the same as our society slowly disintegrates.
        Seems logical and sane from a woke perspective.

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        • Corky

           /  24th February 2020

          Marton Junction School.

          My grandmother taught around the Bulls/ Marton area. She may have tanned your backside. No doubt you would have richly deserved it. Her name was Miss Swinewhip (nee).

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  24th February 2020

      Didn’t the staff members ask what you were doing in the school ?

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  3. Duker

     /  24th February 2020

    Says it all
    https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/daredevil-dies-in-homemade-rocket-disaster-on-mission-to-prove-earth-is-flat-20200224-p543le.html
    ‘In March 2018, he rode his garage-made rocket 570 metres above the Mojave Desert, reaching a speed of 400 km/h, Stakes told the AP. It was the next step in Hughes’ mission to photograph the world. “It’ll shut the door on this ball Earth,” Hughes said then.

    Aviation related nutters are some of the most bonkers

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    • Corky

       /  24th February 2020

      All it says is he was bad at maths and engineering. The best story would have been if he was successful and either proved or disproved his theory. His face would have told the story.

      How do you know the earth is a wobbly sphere, Duker? Have you been into space? No. So you are relying on second hand information without question. So who is the nut?🤔

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      • Duker

         /  24th February 2020

        “How do you know the earth is a wobbly sphere,”

        Heres proof you are complete and utter nut , ( well only removed any previous doubt) only the stupid would think you have to go into space to prove the earth is a sphere. Simple tests on the ground show the curvature of the earth

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        • Corky

           /  24th February 2020

          Bottom line my nutty friend is you are relying on second hand facts. Those facts may be right or wrong. The chap that died was trying to prove his theory…as any natural scientist should. And you have the smug audacity to call him a nutter.

          The point you are missing is not a matter of being right or wrong. It is a matter of proving something for yourself… and not always accepting the prevailing consensus.

          “How do you know the earth is a wobbly sphere,”

          I have viewed it from space in my mental travels.

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          • That’s a bit silly, Corky, and another product of a post-truth mind-set.

            Every step you take is brought to you by scientific evidence of gravity. You don’t need to reinvent gravity to walk for yourself.

            Similarly you don’t have to go into space to accept that the earth is an oblate speroid. There’s a bucket-load of concrete evidence going as far back as the ancient greeks, and some of it is really simple stuff that you can observe from ground level: like a ship’s hull disappearing first over the horizon, the difference in the night sky between northern and southern hemispheres, and the shadow on the moon during an eclipse.

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          • Corky

             /  25th February 2020

            ”Every step you take is brought to you by scientific evidence of gravity. You don’t need to reinvent gravity to walk for yourself.”

            Some people do. Some people do not accept facts on face value. What is wrong with that?

            Every step I take is not brought to me by scientific evidence. It just is. Science then comes along and tries to explain things( that is good).

            https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-credible-scientists-who-have-disputed-gravity-theory

            My personal opinion is gravity is a vertical component of magnetism. But:

            ”Gravity and magnetism are not the same thing. In fact, they are completely separate forces. Gravity is a force that acts between any two objects with mass. … Magnetism can either pull the two objects together or push them apart, depending on which way the magnets point.”

            But what do we know about magnetism? Bugger all if you have read the works
            Albert Roy Davis and Walter Rawls Jr. They believe all our theories on magnetism are wrong. I don’t know whether they are right or wrong…but I can tell you the magnetic seed treater I built from their plans really produces seeds that sprout huge crops.

            I’m with Mad Mike. I like to do my own research where possible.

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        • Corky

           /  24th February 2020

          You want nutty? Try this: Millions believe this girl. Are they nutty?

          https://www.afrinik.com/my-daughter-can-see-co2-with-the-naked-eye/

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  25th February 2020

              I can’t remember which of the ancient Greeks worked out Earth’s measurements, but he wasn’t too far out. He wasn’t accurate, he couldn’t be, but it was a good guess.

            • Corky

               /  25th February 2020

              Still missing the point. If all geniuses who’ve lived had relied on second hand information or not checking things for themselves we would still be using long drops and log fires.

              Let’s see some examples.

              The only one I would contest is No3.

              https://www.kickassfacts.com/10-more-crazy-theories-people-used-to-believe/

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  25th February 2020

            Some of those theories seem to have been invented by the person who wrote the article.

            Lobotomies were not done through the eye. vibrators were not invented for the reason given (the writer must have believed that the film Hysteria was about real events; it was total fiction) and Lysol was not invented as an abortificaent, although it was used as one. If people really believed that train travel would suffocate them, the railways would not have taken off as a means of transport or grown at the rate that they did.

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          • ”Lobotomies were not done through the eye.”

            I think I will leave it there. Some people are in such a rush to score points, they produce an ‘own goal.’

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  25th February 2020

              The article states that this is how it was done. The instrument would be inserted through the eye socket and moved around, according to them.

              .In fact a piece of the skull was removed.

              Own goal to Corky.

            • Corky

               /  25th February 2020

              ”The eye socket, or orbit, is the bony cup surrounding your eye. Seven different bones make up the socket.”

              Kitty:

              ”Lobotomies were not done through the eye.”

              No one said they were done through the eye.

              Strike Two.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  25th February 2020

              Quote from the Kiss Ass ‘facts’ article: The technique* involved using an instrument called an orbitoclast which was inserted through the eye socket using a hammer etc etc ( description of how the op was supposedly done)

              * lobotomy

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  25th February 2020

              In fact, one person did it like this, instead of the usual way which was done via the skull, and the results were disastrous.

        • Corky

           /  24th February 2020

          In fact I have just seen an interview with this chap. He wasn’t nuts. It is just as I said: He wanted to prove one way or another if he was correct. He was quite prepared to admit he was wrong.

          The interview is on Three News.

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      • well that trump’s Alan’s rosetinted Trumpy rapture … Corky’s a flat-earther 🙂

        The thing that surprised me the most about “Mad Mike” Hughes was that his attempt and subsequent fall from grace was being filmed by the Science Channel. Talk about irresponsibly enabling and exploiting his delusional state.

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        • Corky

           /  25th February 2020

          Who said I’m a flat earther? As I understand it, part of the agreement with the Science Channel was he not mention ”flat earth.” That, of course, is a good thing. Science has so many sacred cows that are more sacred than what’s accorded to them in the Hindu religion.

          But again..who said I’m a flat earther?

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  4. Corky

     /  24th February 2020

    Lol..Sean is asking his listeners if they have been having vivid dreams lately. He asked around the studio and some of his co-workers have been experiencing vivid dream like Sean recently.

    Fear not, Sean. It was just a little hiccup with our machinery. Bloody Radio Shack parts are suss. I didn’t know they were in financial trouble. Normal transmission should resume soon.

    We have a simple message: Vote National. Jacinda is gone.✔✔✔

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  5. Corky

     /  24th February 2020

    Woke liberals going berserk over Hannah Tamaki being part of ‘Dancing With The Stars’

    Quote:

    ”In an exceptionally sad display of desperation, MediaWorks appears to have booked Hannah Tamaki, known for her bigotry and megachurch, for the upcoming season of Dancing with the Stars. It is my sincere hope that it’s all BS and nobody at Mediaworks was so colossally hideous to book someone openly xenophobic, anti-Muslim, homophobic and transphobic.”

    Transphobic? These sad sad people honestly need help in my opinion. Don’t watch the fugging programme if it offends thee, you morons.

    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/hannah-tamaki-cant-dance-away-from-her-past/ar-BB10hWYL

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  6. Another National policy that won’t make any difference:

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      • Duker

         /  24th February 2020

        Thats what I thought…Bridges is being a puppet of his social media campaigners. when they have a social media theme he has to run with it , despite him having been a prosecutor and knowing about such things.

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        • Corky

           /  24th February 2020

          It’s about scale, Duker. And about utu. Simon’s Maori blood and keen sense of survival is coming to the fore. Given the lousy benefit increases, you can bet Simons onto a winner. People are sick of kowtowing to Aussies, wokes, Maori and Muslims. They want a return to old fashion values. So, when someones slaps you in the face, you slap them back. Try to understand if you can.

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          • Duker

             /  24th February 2020

            I think the woobly globe has wacked yoh in the head

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            • Corky

               /  24th February 2020

              You do know about the effects of gravity on our planet…or are you ignorant of that also?

          • duperez

             /  24th February 2020

            Bridges being onto a winner with this deporting Aussies thing given what is said on here about the legal situation as it is, would simply mean his treating voters as dumb has worked because it’s sucked dummies in.

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            • Corky

               /  24th February 2020

              Yes. In case you have been in a parallel dimension..it’s election year.
              Dummies ready to vote are there for the taking. I don’t vote. What about you?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  25th February 2020

              If you don’t vote, don’t whine about the election results.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  25th February 2020

      King of the casting couch meets his Nemesis.

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    • One down ….

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      • Duker

         /  25th February 2020

        The lowest level of the charges he was facing for each of the two women

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        • Duker

           /  25th February 2020

          criminal sexual act in the first degree – production assistant Mimi Haley 2006
          rape in the third degree – actress Jessica Mann 2013

          The other womens testimony was to try and establish predatory behavior which were alternate higher charges of those he was convicted

          In NY state Rape in the third degree is a Class E felony, which generally carries a charge of between two to five years. ( its not usual for these sorts of cases , but when one person is below age of consent -‘incapable of consent’ or not in the state of mind to give consent)

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          • Pink David

             /  25th February 2020

            So, is it Rape, or Rape-Rape?

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            • Duker

               /  25th February 2020

              None of those.
              One is sexual assault , the other is she consented but shouldnt have . Its usually prosecuted when a person is under the age of consent while the male is above, and the sentence would be probation.

    • A good outcome – 5 to 25 in NY State Prison – but not enough.

      He now faces four felony counts of sexual assault in a criminal trial in Los Angeles. It’s a good day when sexual predators meet their comeupance.

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      • Duker

         /  25th February 2020

        No sentence has been given yet I think you will be surprised by the actual sentence , not the one predicted by the newsreaders

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  25th February 2020

          I am tired of hearing it in repetitive detail. He sounds like a dirty old man, but that doesn’t mean that he’s a rapist. Why we need all the details night after night ? I wonder how many people here had ever heard of him before all this ?

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  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  25th February 2020

    Massey Uni in big financial strife. Not surprising given the incompetent and dishonest woke leadership demonstrated there recently.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12311311

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    • That issue of financial strife could be the same story for almost every tertiary institute in New Zealand. Unitec is a prime example.

      But it’s intellectually dishonest to pin the blame solely on university leadership.

      New Zealand’s universities have been declining in international rankings for the past five years and a lot of that can be put down to reduced institutional funding from the government, which is now well below the OECD average per student.

      Other countries are recognising the importance of higher education, research and innovation to drive prosperity and enhance wellbeing, but NZ is being left behind. So much for preparing our children for the jobs of tomorrow

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      • Duker

         /  25th February 2020

        Thats just jargon – ‘jobs of tomorrow’
        We dont have enough trained people for the current jobs without waffle about jobs of tomorrow
        And dont get me started on how university research has very little to do with the universitys degrees, the best researchers angle to do very little teaching students

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        • I understand where you are coming from but tomorrow’s jobs are the engines of growth for tomorrow’s economy – ignore the future at your peril.

          And no, don’t get me started either on how some university research has little to do with the degrees. But the article Alan links to talks about the hard sciences – engineering, physics, etc. That field of research is different to the soft social sciences and liberal arts which is what I suspect you are focussing on.

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          • Duker

             /  25th February 2020

            In my profession we would write reports, some of which contained what I privately called ‘high class bullshit’
            ” tomorrow’s jobs are the engines of growth for tomorrow’s economy “- thats exactly the high class bullshit I was thinking of, exactly what politicians say.
            Yet Massey University wants drop Physics entirely from its subject majors

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  25th February 2020

        Far too many of our “scientists” are currently being trained with a political agenda to come out as activists demanding people stop doing things rather than as professionals equipped to help people do things. Those are not jobs for a tomorrow that anyone should want. The Southlander complaining about chick scientists has a point.

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        • Cochrane’s misogynistic sexism is entirely inappropriate and unacceptable.

          People in the workplace should only ever be judged by the quality of their work and integrity of character. Their gender is utterly irrelevant.

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          • Duker

             /  25th February 2020

            Yes . I would rather go with a chick scientist than a know it all old codger.
            Personally I think the science is over his head and its his way of diverting

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  25th February 2020

            No, their motivation affects the quality and orientation of their work. That was why engineers and physical scientists were overwhelmingly male with a few excellent female exceptions. Science classes that have become mostly female have changed motivation, orientation and outcomes. They don’t want to support industries, they want to shut them down.

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  9. Trump’s new Acting Intelligence Chief Richard Grenell is guilty of the very same criminal conduct that got Paul Manafort time in prison – undeclared payments for advocacy work on behalf of a foreign power.

    In Grenell’s case a Moldovan politician whom the U.S. later accused of corruption, but Grenell did a whole lot more…

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    • duperez

       /  25th February 2020

      The best way to get around the dramas of pardoning someone is to not charge them or find them guilty of anything in the first place. They’re going to be let off and given flash jobs so why waste time prosecuting them?🙃

      Welcome to the Wild West – America is truly great again!

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  10. https://www.r1.co.nz/programme/friday/overgrown

    local news & issues in Otepoti.. podcast 21/2/20 🙂

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  11. duperez

     /  25th February 2020

    The Tamaki’s might think that being on God’s team or having God on their team makes them kind of special. They are a very special kind of special. I think they should get Israel Folau to stand for them in the election. Mind you, he might be under a different God.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12311595

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    • Duker

       /  25th February 2020

      Folau is Australian , born in NSW

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      • duperez

         /  25th February 2020

        He’s God’s gift wherever he was born. And he does carry the same sort of mindless message. I’m sure some would welcome him here.

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    • Corky

       /  25th February 2020

      Kanoa Loyd deserved what she received. I would have gone much further. This wokey needs to remember her claim to fame is by way of being a weather girl. She dished it out on something that was none of her business. Surely she must expect to receive it back?

      As for TV 3…does this bs ever stop?

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      • This person disagrees with you.
        Online attack ‘inexcusable’ – Vision NZ ex-campaign manager

        Former Vision NZ campaign manager Jevan Goulter has told Checkpoint he is “absolutely” ashamed of himself for posting a personal attack against broadcaster Kanoa Lloyd on social media.

        He said he was upset at what Lloyd had said about plans to cast Hannah Tamaki on the Dancing with the Star TV show, and he was “just lashing out”.

        On Monday, The Project host Kanoa Lloyd called for Hannah Tamaki to not be a contestant on Dancing with the Stars, saying: “Please don’t bring that stuff to my place of work, to our place of work. And please don’t make her a hero in New Zealand’s living rooms.”

        In response, Goulter posted a personal attack against Lloyd on social media, inciting self-harm.

        Speaking to Checkpoint, he said nothing justified the comments he posted.

        “I’m not going to try and defend them whatsoever, they were poor judgment, inexcusable.”

        Someone else also:

        On Tuesday morning Goulter rang Hannah Tamaki to apologise and resign at the same time she was trying to reach him to sack him.

        Soon afterward Tamaki announced the termination of Goulter’s role with Vision NZ.

        “I would never condone that disgusting language and behaviour,” she said in a press release.

        Talking to Checkpoint, Tamaki said there was a lot wrong with what Goulter had said.

        “I think it is disgusting to actually talk about any person, but to talk about a woman… I don’t think anyone has a right to talk about anybody like that.”

        https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018735740/online-attack-inexcusable-vision-nz-ex-campaign-manager

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  26th February 2020

          I am no fan of Kanoa Lloyd, she is one reason for my not watching The Project, but the remarks made by Jevan Goulter were inexcusable and, coming from a soi-disant Christian, totally inappropriate. Inciting someone to harm themselves is dreadful.

          The Project should not be a platform for the private views of the hosts, but the response was out of all proportion to the remarks made.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  26th February 2020

            Saying that someone ought not to be on a television show is hardly justification for someone responding with such viciousness and saying that she ought to kill herself among other vile things.

            I don’t know why Corky doesn’t do what he tells others to do; not watch the programme if it offends him.

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      • Corky

         /  26th February 2020

        I don’t think Jevan Goulter is apologetic. I think he lost it when another woke liberal put the boot indirectly into Destiny Church. Having calmed down he realised he was fugged. So he played his cards fast to recover what he could of his career and future job prospects. Unfortunately Hannah Tamaki was just as fast, so Jevan had no moral high ground to ask for ‘second chances.’

        My point here is we are having censorship imposed by a brainless presenter because Hannah Tamaki’s views are not liked by Kanoa Lloyd…and TV3, her employer, and going along with that!! WHAT?!!

        I don’t know about you guys..but that scares me. Don Brashes banishing has nothing on this.

        That said, what goes around comes around. My guess is Kanoa Lloyd will be looking for new employment before the year is out.

        Now psychic Kitty believes I should follow my own advice and not have watched ”The Project.” But I do on the odd occasion when I see a promo I like. And I watched again last night to see Kanoa explain her little part in this drama. Nothing wrong with being offended as
        long as you can do something about it.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  26th February 2020

          Do drop the ‘psychic’ thing; it’s tired already. It’s tedious. It’s boring. There’s nothing pyschic about the idea that if you find a programme offensive, you needn’t watch it.

          If you watch it, knowing the sort of people who present it, you can’t really complain. I don’t know what you have done about being offended by it except agree with the person who thought that Kanoa Lloyd should kill herself and said so.

          She isn’t preventing the makers of Dancing With the Stars (sic). She expressed the view that Hannah Tamaki, who is known to be a bigoted hypocrite, shouldn’t be on it. It wasn’t the right platform for this, but the statement that she should kill herself because of it is unacceptable as a response and hardly turning the other cheek as Christians are told to do.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  26th February 2020

            In fact, inciting someone to suicide is against the law in NZ. He should consider himself lucky that he’s not being had up for this.

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        • Corky

           /  26th February 2020

          They just don’t stop.

          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12311658

          Bishop Brian hits back:

          ”Kanoa Lloyd.Fact check. LGBTQ (your words) community don’t have the highest risk of killing themselves…your own people, Maori do..whom you criticised in the most vicious outburst(Face says it all) last http://night.You nd Project should be Shut Down.”

          I’m sure it will Bishop..I’m sure it will. Hallelujah!!! May the saints of Conservatism come marching in.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  26th February 2020

            Total irrelevancy, she didn’t viciously attack all Maori people, she criticised one person, Hannah Tamaki, who happens to be Maori..

            In return she was told that she should kill herself by a member of Destiny. This is illegal in NZ, which is probably why the Police are investigating. Inciting someone to commit suicide is a criminal offence. It’s illegal for anyone to do this.Being a soi-disant Christian doesn’t put people above the law.

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  12. Patzcuaro

     /  25th February 2020

    Two people with nothing in common Mahatma Gandhi and Donald J Trump

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  25th February 2020

      Except they both led a large country in a revolutionary way.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  25th February 2020

        .. and both were nationalists who divided their country.

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        • Blazer

           /  25th February 2020

          I thought Gandhi united his country!Do..tell.

          Reply
          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  25th February 2020

            Partition, B.

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            • Gezza

               /  26th February 2020

              Jinnah was the partitioner, I thought, but it doesn’t matter. The Muslim / Hindu othering still works well for Modi.

        • Patzcuaro

           /  25th February 2020

          I think Gandhi tried to unite his country but failed, Trump tried to divide his country and succeeded.

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      • Gezza

         /  26th February 2020

        Ghandi spoke truth to power & was a skinny dude with a tiny clothing budget.
        Trump lies to everyone including himself & is a fat dude with a yuuge clothing budget.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  26th February 2020

          He was also extremely intelligent and full of integrity, as well as being an ascetic.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  26th February 2020

            Gandhi, I mean…of course. And his degrees were real ones.

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            • Duker

               /  27th February 2020

              Ghandi was perhaps the ‘first’ identity politician’ creating an image of himself for voters that was different from his high caste origins

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  27th February 2020

              I think that he genuinely wanted to leave all the trappings of success like the fancy clothes and possessions behind him; it’s an Indian thing.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  27th February 2020

          If you want differences Ghandi drank his own piss but Trump just pisses other people off.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  27th February 2020

            He didn’t; that’s an urban myth. It wasn’t anything he believed in doing. An Indian PM, someone Desai, was known to do so, and it was wrongly attributed to Gandhi.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  27th February 2020

              Good reveal. I also saw a claim he advocated drinking cow urine. True or false?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  27th February 2020

              I’d say highly unlikely. He was a vegan/vegetarian, I believe.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  27th February 2020

              His name, of course, wasn’t Mahatma as some people seem to think. It was Mohandas.

            • Duker

               /  27th February 2020

              “He adopted the Hindu form of chastity known as brahmacharya and thought it enough to merely inform his wife of his decision…..He did employ his grand-niece Manu for the furtive purpose of lying in bed with him to test his ability to resist erections…as you do.

              Snippets from the late Christopher Hitchens review of a major book on Ghandi
              https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/07/the-real-mahatma-gandhi/308550/
              Interestingly the actual leader of the Dalits-” Ambedkar supported it[special political representation], suspecting that Congress Party rule would be another name under which high-caste Hindus would become the successors of the British Raj.”
              Ghandi had both meetings with Mussolini and corresponded with Hitler..
              “when “the Mahatma” called on all Congress Party officials to leave their [government] posts in 1942, the Muslim League had only to tell its own supporters to stay at work to guarantee itself a much greater share of power after Japan had been defeated.”

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  27th February 2020

              Mahatma means a holy man; his followers called him that.

              It’s like people thinking that Da Vinci was Leonardo Da Vinci’s surname.

  13. Corky

     /  27th February 2020

    The viciousness of the feral Left unmasked. This was a great debate with poor Bernie receiving a good kicking… he’s kind of Americas version of Don Brash. Elizabeth Warren will soon pull out, along with a couple of others. President Trumpy is going to have some fun.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/02/25/watch_live_cbs_news_democratic_debate_in_charleston_sc.html

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  14. Corky

     /  27th February 2020

    After an Australian intelligence spokesperson claimed Australia was being infiltrated by more foreign intelligence operatives since the Cold War, Paul Buchanan claims the same is happening in NZ universities. The red flag has been raised by fellow researchers and other whistle blowers as to the sometimes strange undertakings of fellow students and faculty members.

    Buchanan said when Universities have been been warned they generally had a muted response. Auckland University was the worst.

    No surprises there. I have seen comments from posters who claim associations with AU. Like the university itself, they suffer from the same naivety Buchanan speaks of.

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