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Pete George
/ 5th March 2020Duker
/ 5th March 2020“Swarbrick will today submit a member’s bill calling on all public funds to divest from companies directly involved in the mining and production of fossil fuels.”
So there theres no ‘false concerns’ there , they have specified ‘mining and production’ only.
Will Newsroom do a beatup over the Greens using the same language as the government policy and going on about ‘minor details’ ……whats the bet they DONT.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 5th March 2020There’s nothing like a bit of moral posturing to gladden a Lefty’s heart.
seer
/ 5th March 2020Turkey’s “democracy” at “play”
4 March 2020
Istanbul News
A fight broke out with hands after the Vice President of the Republican People’s Party, Engin Ozkoc, attacked Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan during his speech at the Parliamentary General Assembly in Istanbul, this evening, Wednesday.
According to the details reported by “Dogan” agency and translated “Turkey Now”, the proposal submitted by Ozkoc on the security of Turkish soldiers in the city of “Idlib” in northern Syria, angered the Justice and Development Party deputies.
Turkey’s abandonment of its “No problems with its neighbors” foreign policy not so good for it own stability – or perhaps because of its own instability?
Corky
/ 5th March 2020I don’t think it matters,Seer. Turkey is on its way to being a completely Muslim state. What you see is par for the course. The NATO alliance poses a problem though.
Quote:
Erdogan also supported increasing Islamicization in Turkey, proposing to raise a “pious generation” of children in an expansion of the country’s religious schools.
https://theconversation.com/turkish-currency-isnt-the-real-problem-for-erdogan-its-democracy-101727
Alan Wilkinson
/ 5th March 2020Bob Jones on the frustrated loony Left:
https://nopunchespulled.com/2020/03/05/political-language-abuse/
Blazer
/ 5th March 2020As usual Jones is WRONG…his so called ‘market economy’ since the 80’s is a FAILURE!
De regulation because the market was a perfect balance of self interested supply and demand was a sham construct that culminated in the GFC….the biggest rescue of the vaunted, private, efficient business model promoted as the path to prosperity ever.
The inevitable repercussions of this fiscal folly are yet to manifest….but cannot be delayed indefinitely.
Corky
/ 5th March 2020I can’t help but agree with the last two sentences in Sir Bob’s article. No need for debate. If the Left was RIGHT, people would be voting for them. They aren’t..because many remember what nearly happened to this country under the leadership of our greatest socialist…Rob Muldoon.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 5th March 2020GFC created by Obama’s loony Left policies of lending to people who couldn’t afford it, corrected as usual by the market to the consternation of people like B who then claim that as a disaster rather than the solution it is.
The alternative of course is just the continuous decline to poverty and death that his national socialism has everywhere achieved.
Duker
/ 5th March 2020You have your dates mixed up
The GFC occurred before Obama won office in Jan 2009
April 2007: New Century, an American REIT specialising in sub-prime mortgages, filed for bankruptcy
March 17, 2008: The Federal Reserve guaranteed Bear Stearns’ bad loans to facilitate its acquisition by JPMorgan Chase.
September 7, 2008: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were taken over by the federal government.
September 15, 2008: Lehman Brothers went bankrupt after the Federal Reserve declined to guarantee its loans
September 16, 2008: The Federal Reserve took over American International Group. ( as they couldnt honour the insurance on loan defaults)
September 26, 2008: Washington Mutual went bankrupt after a bank run.
And on Jan 2009 Obama took office
Pray tell how GW Bush administration was doing ‘Obamas looney left policies’
They didnt of course
as for blame the enquiry said this, a small amount lent to low income borrowers wasnt the triggering factor
“The Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission concluded that the financial crisis was avoidable and was caused by “widespread failures in financial regulation and supervision”, “dramatic failures of corporate governance and risk management at many systemically important financial institutions”, “a combination of excessive borrowing, risky investments, and lack of transparency” by financial institutions, ill preparation and inconsistent action by government that “added to the uncertainty and panic”, a “systemic breakdown in accountability and ethics”, “collapsing mortgage-lending standards and the mortgage securitization pipeline”, deregulation of over-the-counter derivatives, especially credit default swaps, and “the failures of credit rating agencies” to correctly price risk-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007%E2%80%9308#Background_causes
Alan Wilkinson
/ 5th March 2020Marvellous how that hides the fundamental cause “collapsing mortgage-lending standards” under the mountain of consequential failures to deal with it.
Much as this article illustrates exactly how Fannie and Freddy were to blame while claiming they weren’t:
https://www.thebalance.com/did-fannie-and-freddie-cause-the-mortgage-crisis-3305659
This one is more detailed and upfront:
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/08/fannie-mae-freddie-mac-credit-crisis.asp
Ok, just Obama’s Congress, not his Presidency.
Blazer
/ 6th March 2020found out AGAIN eh Al.
Hopeless!
Griff.
/ 6th March 2020GFC created by Obama’s loony Left policies of lending to people who couldn’t afford it
Yip.
GFC 2007 to 2008 Obama inaugurated as president January 2009.
A Obama time traveled to before his election and caused the GFC .
B loony right wing delusion.
As far as I know travel back in time is impossible due to physics.
That leaves B.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 6th March 2020Congress makes the laws not the President’s administration of them. It pressured Fannie and Freddie to make the bad loans that fell over when interest rates rose and brought the rest of the flakey instruments built on top of them crashing down.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 5th March 2020Trump.wins again:
https://theintercept.com/2020/03/02/on-afghanistan-three-words-i-never-thought-id-write-bravo-donald-trump/
At least a change of course if not an arrival at the destination.
Blazer
/ 5th March 2020yes Trump bit the bullet and accepted the Taleban’s terms for the withdrawal of the U.S invading forces.Well done.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 5th March 2020Trump as ever the realist vs his fantasist opponents.
Duker
/ 5th March 2020George W Bush signed a withdrawal agreement in Iraq just before the election too…how did that turn out
Remember the 1973 Peace agreement with US and North Vietnam?
“On May 8, 1972, President Nixon made a major concession to North Vietnam by announcing that the U.S. would accept a cease-fire in place as a precondition for its military withdrawal. In other words, the U.S. would withdraw its forces from South Vietnam without North Vietnam doing the same…… wikipedia
And how did that turn out
Alan Wilkinson
/ 5th March 2020Probably saved a lot of lives, Duker. Unlike the bombing of Cambodia which led to the vile and evil Lefty Pol Pot regime.
Duker
/ 5th March 2020But lets call it for its was . US defeat
Cambodia?
“Newly inaugurated President Richard Nixon [1969] authorized for the first time use of long-range Boeing B-52 Stratofortress heavy bombers to carpet bomb Cambodia.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Menu
and again your history is as bads as Trumps memory….
“The deposition of Sihanouk by the Cambodian National Assembly in March 1970, following wide scale protests in the capital against the presence of PAVN troops in the country, put a pro-American government in power (later declared the Khmer Republic) which demanded that the PAVN leave Cambodia. The PAVN refused and, at the request of the Khmer Rouge, promptly invaded Cambodia in force….
Between March and June 1970, the North Vietnamese captured most of the northeastern third of the country in engagements with the Cambodian army. The North Vietnamese turned over some of their conquests and provided other assistance to the Khmer Rouge, thus empowering what was at the time a small guerrilla movement…” Thats Pol Pots group
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_Civil_War
So it was more the presence of PAVN troops which was a trigger. But like Syria Civil war was existing internal conflicts set in motion by US Invasion of Iraq, the US presence in Vietnam was bound to led to disruption in Cambodia
Alan Wilkinson
/ 5th March 2020Plenty of disagreement with that:
.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Menu
Duker
/ 5th March 2020That was my link and my quotes….like your memory about GFC, the story supports a different view to yours
Alan Wilkinson
/ 5th March 2020So you quoted selectively. E.g.
Result
Strategic US Failure
PAVN/VC, civilian and material losses
Failure to prevent North Vietnamese forces from operating in the country
Failure to kill COSVN leadership
and
The consequences of U.S. bombing of Cambodia, positive and negative, are still widely debated by participants and scholars …
Author William Shawcross and other commentors asserted that the “Khmer Rouge were born out of the inferno that American policy did much to create” and that Sihanouk’s “collaboration with both powers [the United States and North Vietnam] … was intended to save his people by confining the conflict to the border regions. It was American policy that engulfed the nation in war.” …
Apart from the large human toll, perhaps the most powerful and direct impact of the bombing was the political backlash it caused … The CIA’s Directorate of Operations, after investigations south of Phnom Penh, reported in May 1973 that the communists there were successfully ‘using damage caused by B-52 strikes as the main theme of their propaganda’ … The U.S. carpet bombing of Cambodia was partly responsible for the rise of what had been a small-scale Khmer Rouge insurgency, which now grew capable of overthrowing the Lon Nol government …[69]
Shawcross’s and Kiernan’s views were echoed in a 2011 statistical study of U.S. bombing in Vietnam which concluded that the air war “was counterproductive … hampered the pacification campaign and more of it would likely have hastened the communist victory”
Gezza
/ 5th March 2020It’s not got off to a good start.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/conducts-air-strike-taliban-peace-deal-200304085937305.html
Alan Wilkinson
/ 5th March 2020That was why I called it a change of course only. Water to flow yet.
Gezza
/ 5th March 2020I doubt one could rely on the Taliban to stick with any deal. At the very time you’d think they’d at least want to humour Trump for a few months by giving the appearance of negotiating with Kabul & maintaining a ceasefire, they (or some uncontrolled faction in Hemland) immediately go all out to attack the US’s official government allies. They perhaps have assumed Trump’s going to pull out Afghanistan whatever happens.
Duker
/ 5th March 2020Wasnt the ‘negotiating with terrorists’ thing a big no no under Trump ?
Oh dear
“The Taliban’s actions over the past two decades fit the definition of terrorism as unlawful, violent action, often undertaken against citizens. It commits indiscriminate acts of violence against civilians with the goal of achieving political change.
Yep …another of Trumps flip-flop-flips
This is what the taleban want and Donny has given them that…
“It intends to establish an Islamic Emirate that operates under sharia law and seeks to expand the Muslim caliphate across the globe.”
maybe a new chapter in the “Art of the Deal’ …hahahahaha
https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2020/01/23/new_terrorism_in_the_wake_of_withdrawal_114990.html
Gezza
/ 5th March 2020An interesting review of the Trump peace deal & previous administrations attempts to negoiate with the Taliban.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/02/united-states-taliban-afghanistan-peace-deal/607234/
Alan Wilkinson
/ 5th March 2020Bush the Idiot famously threatened to bomb Afghanistan back to the stone age thus revealing his ignorance that it was already there. Way before all this began a student mate of mine travelled through the country and told me it was full of wild men with old rifles. When the US leaves it will be the same except with more modern weapons.
lurcher1948
/ 5th March 2020Hell this person seems to think hes fit to be PM….i dont think so
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/04-03-2020/some-advice-for-simon-bridges-on-being-responsible-in-a-health-emergency/
Simon YOU rush out to buy dunny paper,and get TV to film it
lurcher1948
/ 5th March 2020HI PG, the other day you posted a post on GD Kiwiblog that i thought was well thought out, but a OLD failed disgraced MP called david garrett, called you a shrill, hes a nasty but kiwi blog abused you,but let’s move on to the psychotic weirdo alt rightwing blog called YSB they abuse David Farrar and Kiwi Blog with a vengeance, so PG a failure in life david garrett a righty abuses you and the halfwit at YSB,called holly sheet abuses David Farrar…you righties are devouring yourselves….but if you are a gun-toting old white male supremacist, you are made UNTILL COMRADE ARDERN COMES TO HOOVER THE TOSSERS UP
PS PG let it have birth
lurcher1948
/ 5th March 2020Im breathless
Corky
/ 5th March 2020.Lurchy..have you been starting your scooter in a confined space again?
Kitty Catkin
/ 7th March 2020Lurch’s two cars are not mobility scooters. Surely you know the difference…and that mobiltity scooters are battery operated.
Pete George
/ 5th March 2020National MP David Bennett says stupid things on radio:
And then denies he has said them (as shown on One news but not online yet).
Duker
/ 5th March 2020I couldn’t believe it when I saw it…his claims of not saying it ..twice with separate comments, was followed directly with the audio of him saying it.
How come some a the deadwood seems to stay around in spite of claims of contary.
I guess he will be going on stress leave from tonight to keep him out of sight
duperez
/ 5th March 2020I can’t see why David Bennett is criticised for saying stupid things on radio. He doesn’t seem to get criticised for saying stupid things in Parliament.
At times I’ve seen him in action there and wondered how someone so experienced could be so dumb.
Kitty Catkin
/ 5th March 2020Well, he did correct himself and say ‘stocking up’.
Kitty Catkin
/ 5th March 2020It was hardly ‘encouraging’ panic buying; more a lapsus linguae.
Duker
/ 5th March 2020Hmmmm…it’s big fat lies that’s the issue now
Then again he’s from the Tron
Pete George
/ 5th March 2020Non-ministerial Green MPs’ average flight-spending trumps other backbenchers
David Seymour, MP for Epsom, told Newshub: “The Green Party has always specialised in air travel and hypocrisy – in that order.”
Pete George
/ 5th March 2020At the same time they are trying to legislate against investment in fossil fuels:
https://www.greens.org.nz/greens_celebrate_kiwisaver_divestment_win_call_for_further_and_faster_action
Duker
/ 5th March 2020I bet newsroom won’t be doing a beatup on this version of exactly what they ran against labour’s version just a few days ago….no, greens get kid gloves from the millennial media
Corky
/ 5th March 2020I wrote a few days ago that in a crisis toilet rolls and tea bags become the new gold. In some parts of Aussie toilet rolls are already fetching $5 each.
Who’s laughing at preppers now? 😪🙄
https://www.thechronicle.com.au/news/photo-proves-australians-arent-listening/3958449/
Blazer
/ 5th March 2020they must really be shitting themselves…over there.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 5th March 2020.. or planning to.
Corky
/ 5th March 2020Kind of surprising. I didn’t expect that from the Aussies. 😁
Alan Wilkinson
/ 5th March 2020Dunno. They were brought up bowling underarm, ball tampering and pretending Kiwi champions were their own
Corky
/ 5th March 2020Holy Horrors..dead language may be dropped from NCEA. 😄
Quote:
”The MoE has suggested scrapping the teaching of Latin, Classical Studies and Art History but adding a Māori Performing Arts option for students.”
Yet…people laugh at me for saying Western culture is under attack. Well, what the fug is this?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12310357
Duker
/ 5th March 2020At level 1 only.
Probably numbers have been dropping for years now not sustainable . Would still be available at higher levels but university’s are dropping those subjects too due to lack of demand
Alan Wilkinson
/ 5th March 2020My sixth subject at School Cert. It did well to.last 2000 years though. Now the world will have to rely on Google Translate. When you outsource core knowledge you are left at the mercy or otherwise of the outsourcer. Govt depts have discovered this.
duperez
/ 6th March 2020Quite nice how little flickers of interest and support for Latin have appeared. Something that was out of date, of no use, a waste of time and space, an anachronism, suddenly gained status and importance because under the present government The Ministry of Education proposed a number of changes to the year 11 curriculum. (I couldn’t find the MoE suggesting the total scrapping the teaching of Latin.)
I still have my form three textbook in the library. Got to say it’s as battered by time as it’s owner! 🙂
Kitty Catkin
/ 6th March 2020The story is hardly news. it was posted by Corky when it happened and he did the Western culture is under attack thing then. I don’t know why he posted it again; has he forgotten that he did it before ?
Latin is of use if only as great training for the mind. I have a copy of Winnie Ille Pu and one of Alicia in Terra Mirabilis. Dupe, did you do the altering Latin to Eating in your texts ? I bet that you can still recite Mensa, mensa, mensam etc. And laugh at Caesar adsum jam forte/Pompey aderat/Caesar sic in omnibus/Pompey inissat.
Supposedly seen on a park bench; Ventosa viri, restabit, fortis arare placet orestin….
Duker
/ 6th March 2020Just looked up a local college for 2020 which has an academic bent
Languages level 1
French
Japanese
Maori
Samoan
Spanish
Interesting at Level 3 they offer
Financial Mathematics in addition to ordinary Math
and
Geography
History
Psychology
Classical Studies
Art History
Travel and Tourism
No Latin anywhere
Kitty Catkin
/ 6th March 2020How sad. It’s been described as gymnastics for the brain.
It may be included in Classical Studies, of course.
Zedd
/ 6th March 2020Breaking News: Jeanette Fitzsimons ex-Greens co-leader has passed away (75)
‘a mighty tree has fallen’ 😦
Corky
/ 6th March 2020Great person. True to her ideology without being nasty. The divide between her and the present Green Party is vast. In my opinion, Marama Davidson is not worthy of Jeanette’s legacy.
Zedd
/ 6th March 2020I almost agree.. must be first 🙂
we need to remember that many in ‘authority/power’ often stand on the shoulders of GIANTS
Corky
/ 6th March 2020She even signed up for a natural burial. No chemicals or treated wood coffins. That’s what you call commitment to your beliefs.
Conspiratoor
/ 6th March 2020No, real commitment is what she did with her excreta
Corky
/ 6th March 2020I won’t quibble.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 6th March 2020First met her in 1975 Values Conference. Very idealistic but genuine and considerate. She stayed that way.
Kitty Catkin
/ 6th March 2020Muslims have had those things for their burials forever. They don’t have coffins, just a shroud.
Corky
/ 6th March 2020Yes,most of us know that. However, it is rare for Westerners. Hence me mentioning it.
Kitty Catkin
/ 6th March 2020It’s not that rare now. Natural burials have been in for some years. As have cardboard coffins and plain pine ones.
Corky
/ 6th March 2020Crikey, I have been affected indirectly by the CoronaVirus for the first time. I walked into my local health shop to see some worried customers. The owner said 25% of their stock was affected by uncertainty of supply. For example, I went in to replenish my nutritional yeast stock. That product comes from Estonia. The NZ supplier has reported no product will be exported from Estonia for the time being. The big worry for people like me is continuity of supply from Japan of the worlds best Q10 product. Without that my CV system will age about 20 years to match my actual age in years. Not good. Some people on Statins will notice their health decline rapidly, too.
That brings us to a bigger problem. Will pharmaceutical drugs soon be affected by supply issues?
Corky
/ 6th March 2020https://www.nationthailand.com/lifestyle/30383295?utm_source=bottom_relate&utm_medium=internal_referral
Kitty Catkin
/ 6th March 2020Try Countdown. They sell nutritional yeast.
Corky
/ 6th March 2020Yes, they do. But it’s not organic and is fortified with either B12 or other synthetic B vitamins.
That said, if things get bad I may have to use this product.
Corky
/ 6th March 2020In fact it seem like Countdown does not sell NY at the moment.
Kitty Catkin
/ 6th March 2020They say that they do as of five minutes ago. No mention of Vitamin B (which is in yeast anyway, isn’t it ?)
You may have to resign yourself to looking like Gagool as your real age catches up with you.
Corky
/ 6th March 2020https://shop.countdown.co.nz/shop/searchproducts?search=Nutritional%20yeast%20
”Nutritional yeast is a great source of protein, B vitamins and trace minerals. Fortified nutritional yeast contains more B vitamins than unfortified varieties, as extra amounts are added during manufacturing. … When fortified, it is especially rich in thiamine, riboflavin, niacin, vitamin B6 and vitamin B12.Nov 30, 2017”
I actually eat the stuff. Another name is Nooch. In NZ it was called Bufax? Vegans rely on this product big time. At least those who know it exists do.
Kitty Catkin
/ 6th March 2020Suit yourself if you want to look like Gagool rather than change brands.
Corky
/ 6th March 2020”Nutritional yeast” is not brewers or bakers yeast. NY yeast is dead.
Blazer
/ 6th March 2020so long as they don’t run out of your nutritious staple=raspberry buns..you’ll be..o.k.
Corky
/ 7th March 2020I can almost see your stale white Tip Top bread on the plate. Topped with Sanitarium Peanut Butter. A spread that is one process away from becoming plastic, and filled with additives. As long as the raspberry bun is organic in all regards and made with Grander Water (TM), I will be OK.
Kitty Catkin
/ 7th March 2020The NY Countdown is advertising is called Nutritional Yeast, not bakers’ or brewers’ yeast.
You are confusing types with brands.
Corky
/ 7th March 2020My apologies. Please supply a link….as I have.