Open Forum – 7 March

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  1. NOEL

     /  7th March 2020
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  2. Duker

     /  7th March 2020

    What happened when Gerry Brownlee launched his racist tirade against Finns..
    “can hardly feed the people who live there, has a terrible homicide rate, hardly educates its people, and has no respect for women”
    wasnt that also racist ignorant and harmful? Did Key sack him, no coalition partner problems there…well he is part of the Nats Catholic brotherhood who can do no harm..yes Nick Smith thinking of you

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    • Corky

       /  7th March 2020

      ”Well he is part of the Nats Catholic brotherhood who can do no harm..”

      Leave the conspiracy theories to me, Duker. I can back up what I say…you can’t.

      ”Finland stands out:
      Adjusted for differences in population size, Finland’s murder rate was by far the highest – it was 85 percent higher than the Dutch rate and 140 percent higher than in Sweden, as measured by the amount of murders per 100,000 people.”

      ”Food Crisis Hits Finland’s Poorest:
      Countries and international organisations around the world are recognising the problem of rising food prices and their impact on the poor. Here in Finland, the “silent tsunami” as it’s being called, is beginning to make itself felt among society’s vulnerable groups.”

      Admittedly that is a cursory look and paste. But it shows Gerry’s comments may be based on FACTS! …and not blatant racism.

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      • Duker

         /  7th March 2020

        Is Finlands murder rate higher than NZ ? Maybe Finns have greater access to guns .
        Rising food prices always affect poor the most, but its not Sudan as they have a generous welfare system , so cant be ‘not feeding its people’

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  7th March 2020

          It is, but it’s still quite low; 1.7 per 100,000. Percents without numbers are meaningless.

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  3. Alan Wilkinson

     /  7th March 2020

    Had my first delivery from Aliexpress since the crisis yesterday. Gave it a precautionary bleach washing and handling since who knows where it’s been but now installed and working. The others seem mostly stuck in transit in China trying to find an airplane. Also the tracking interfaces after they leave seem to have broken down.

    Our drought is well and truly broken with another good shower last night. My new tank water level guage was reading over a metre yesterday so about 9000 litres. I calculated we had 8cm of rain in the couple of days previous and my home rain gauge matched that. Looks like I can retire my water drums refill trips till next summer.

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    • Griff.

       /  7th March 2020

      Buy another tank,
      This year will not be a one off drought in the far north will happen with increasing frequency.
      We have two 30,000 l tanks for three of us we are still watering the veg garden.
      Stock water is still a worry for many you only get what lands in the pond no run off when it is so dry. Looks like a descent dump coming Monday.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  7th March 2020

        I’ve got another two 10,000 litre tanks out there that catch the roof water before it is pumped up the hill to the 25,000 litre one so that’s 45,000 litres total. Should be plenty for the use it gets if I stop guests running it out thru the toilet with a sensor and timeout relay/valve. Those are the bits I am waiting on from China.

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  4. NOEL

     /  7th March 2020

    Went to Phuket just after the bombings in Bangkok miles away and had cheap everything.
    Relative travelling to Sydney this morning said half full plane and the fastest breakfast service he has ever experienced crossing the ditch.

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  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  7th March 2020

    Major cockup by the Herald’s Sunday tabloid:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12314493

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  6. NOEL

     /  7th March 2020

    During my service medicals in the Army for males always included the “cough and drop” test.
    Took eons before it was concluded to be of little value.

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  7. Trump fights back .. good on him going after those who pedalled the fake Trump Russia lies .. CNN, Washington, NYT.
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-campaign-sues-cnn-false-defamatory-statements-millions-damages
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/business/media/trump-washington-post-libel-lawsuit.htm
    lhttps://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/business/media/trump-new-york-times-lawsuit.html

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    • MaureenW

       /  7th March 2020

      Replacing the bad link

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      • Corky

         /  7th March 2020

        Time to take out the garbage.

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      • More electioneering?

        What she had already said publicly was the “strongest condemnation I could possibly give [Jones’] comments”.

        She again cited the fact that Jones being in a different party to Labour as the reason why she has not gone further in her reprimand.

        “Fortunately, the law protects the right of Americans to express their judgments and conclusions, especially about events of public importance,” Ms. Murphy added. “We look forward to vindicating that right in this case.”

        Mr. Trump, whose vilification of the news media has little precedent among past presidents, has ratcheted up his attacks on the press over the past year. He has accused The Times of “treason,” tweeted the term “fake news” hundreds of times and threatened to pull broadcast licenses.

        Asked about the lawsuit at a news conference at the White House on Wednesday night, Mr. Trump doubled down on his criticism of The Times. “It’s beyond an opinion,” he said of Mr. Frankel’s Op-Ed article. “That’s not an opinion. That’s something much more than an opinion.”

        “They did a bad thing,” the president added, “and there’ll be more coming.”

        Earlier Wednesday, several media law experts reacted with skepticism about the Trump campaign’s chances of succeeding in the suit.

        “A publisher cannot be held liable for commentary based on public facts,” said Brian Hauss, a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union.

        Frederick Schauer, a law professor at the University of Virginia, said public figures who sue for libel must show that a publisher either “knew it was false before publishing, or had actual suspicion of falsity and went ahead anyway.” Proving that in court, he said, “is virtually impossible.”

        It’s more than a little ironic that the bullshitter in chief is complaining about others saying things he thinks are not based on facts.

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        • Pink David

           /  7th March 2020

          “It’s more than a little ironic that the bullshitter in chief is complaining about others saying things he thinks are not based on facts.”

          This is a curious thing. When are the news outlets going to start running stories about Bernies collusion with the Soviet Union?

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  7th March 2020

          Of course for Trump to win this he doesn’t need to win the libel judgement, he just needs to publicly showcase the article was false. The paper may have a legal defence that it is allowed to be wrong but that won’t be a political defence.

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          • “he just needs to publicly showcase”

            You realise that’s all this may be, a publicity stunt?

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  8th March 2020

              Of course. When you are President everything is politics. “Publicity stunt” is basically what I described.

            • Duker

               /  8th March 2020

              No The article isnt false at all
              “hyperlinked to a transcript of an ABC News interview with Mr. Trump, in which he said he would consider accepting information from a foreign government about a political opponent.”
              Never any need to make up stuff from Trump !

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  8th March 2020

              Tosh. The article claimed an existing quid pro quo, not possibly considering a quo.

    • On its merits, the Trump campaign complaint is extremely weak.

      A defamation action requires proof that the challenged statement was false. But, because, the campaign (like Trump himself) is a “public figure,” the First Amendment also bars the suit unless the Trump campaign can establish that the media acted with “actual malice”—meaning that the Trump campaign has to prove (not simply assert) that the NYTimes, the WaPo, CNN, etc., had actual knowledge, or reckless disregard, of the challenged statement’s falsity.

      That’s absurd, given the numerous, accurate, reports on the web of connections and communications between people affiliated with the Trump campaign and Russia’s government and its agents.

      But the lawsuit is not only frivolous, it is also at odds with Trump’s own legal position: currently asking New York’s highest court to rule that he cannot participate in the very same type of state court proceeding so long as he remains in office (Summer Zervos’ defamation suit against Trump).

      Since truth is a defense, if the Trump campaign’s case was to go forward to the discovery stage, then these media outlets will without question inevitably seek disclosure to obtain evidence regarding whether Trump and his campaign did in fact enter into a quid pro quo arrangement with Putin. Trump himself would also certainly be a key witness, and would be called upon to provide testimony and documents.

      This is a weak publicity stunt that has huge potential to backfire on Trump.

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  8. Duker

     /  7th March 2020

    So hes suing the WP over an article about aceepting foreign help
    “Paul Waldman wrote: “Who knows what sort of aid Russia and North Korea will give to the Trump campaign, now that he has invited them to offer their assistance?” The word “invited” in the article was hyperlinked to a transcript of an ABC News interview with Mr. Trump, in which he said he would consider accepting information from a foreign government about a political opponent.”
    Trump is on record of them saying the things hes now suing over…only Trump.
    The case hasnt a hope of succeeding with very relaxed US libel laws regarding politicians

    “Theodore J. Boutrous Jr., a lawyer at Gibson Dunn who has previously worked on high-profile media cases, said the lawsuit “flies in the face of basic First Amendment doctrine.”

    “The complaint is attacking opinions where the authors are expressing their views based on widely reported facts,” he said. “It’s all part of the overarching war on the press.”

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  9. Corky

     /  7th March 2020

    The boss of Zoono Sanitisers, a NZ company, say his product is superior to others. It will stay on you hands for a day; on other surfaces for 30 days and fabrics for life. The company has gone from making $20,000 a month to $100, 000 a day. Lordy, don’t you just love capitalism`.
    This boss will be ordering a new Porsche. Probably a new wife and a mansion. Socialism just can’t deliver that much fun. Look at poor Bernie and see what I mean.

    That said, for this product to be so effective, you can bet there’s something real toxic in the mix. I would avoid it like the plague and stick to 20ppm colloidal silver gel on my hands and face mask.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  7th March 2020

      The blue-grey colour that it (colloidal silver) turns your skin is irreversible. It’s not harmful in itself, but it looks rather unattractive. But it’s your choice.

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    • Corky

       /  7th March 2020

      Kitty knows nothing about Argyria and what causes it.

      Millions of people worldwide take colloidal silver daily without a problem. Why?

      I would suggest to all folk they seriously consider having a stock of CS. Of course, no one will take me seriously …and that’s fine. But knowledge not shared is a sin according to some. I go along with that…so have a clear conscience. What people do or don’t do is not my business.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  7th March 2020

        I know that argyria is caused by drinking colloidal silver and that once someone has that blue skin, they have it forever. If I hadn’t known it, I couldn’t have said it.

        Arg- is from argentum or silver. Argentous; silver coloured.

        I prefer not to waste money on a product that does little, if any, good and could turn my skin blue. If you want to look like The Little Blue Man in the old song, that’s your business. Some people prefer blue to pink, it’s a personal choice.

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      • Corky

         /  7th March 2020

        Well made Colloidal Silver does not cause argyria ( I use the correct term). Silver salts, using contaminated water, using poor grade mother silver electrodes and drinking it by the litre as some idiots do, can cause problems…most times after years of misuse.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  8th March 2020

          If you say so….

          ‘A little blue man came right out of the crowd……’

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  10. Corky

     /  8th March 2020

    Free speech or ignorance…or both? The chronically offended are at it again on social media.
    One claims he’s never going back to this cafe – as if he patronised the place to start with,
    The answer to these posters angst is in their comments. Why the big fuss?

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/03/wellington-caf-outrages-with-message-targeted-at-jeanette-fitzsimons.html

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  8th March 2020

      Thank heavens for free speech and the right to ignore it.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  8th March 2020

      Of course the message wasn’t targeted at Jeanette who isn’t around to hear about it. It is targeted successfully at those far more intemperate than her.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  8th March 2020

        It was a rather witless message, as if they didn’t quite have the courage to go all the way, and a mean-spirited one. How to lose customers without really trying. I have no time for Winston Peters, but wouldn’t be glad if he died, and would be disgusted if a cafe put a sign outside to say that they were. I wouldn’t be going back there, either.

        Cafe Villa ? How pretentious can one be ?

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  8th March 2020

          Most people, I imagine, find it offensive when someone is glad that a person is dead.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  8th March 2020

            They now say that they were thanking her, but it was clumsily worded and asking to be misinterpreted.

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  11. Trump’s hiding the extent of coronavirus in America. If this were Obama he would be removed from office.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  8th March 2020

      Terrible. Like all the other countries that have turned away cruise ships. Except that the US is merely enforcing proper screening and isolation of cases.

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  12. Duker

     /  8th March 2020

    So when Booty was running for President , it didnt matter that he was a gay man. And it largely didnt after the first week or so.
    Somehow, now hes not running , its supposed to matter a great deal.

    “But many, especially those who have fought for L.G.B.T. equality for decades and have seen society grow more tolerant but not entirely accepting, say that Mr. Buttigieg’s contribution to history will be misunderstood and diminished if the main takeaway is that the first openly gay man to have a serious shot at the presidency elicited a collective shrug from a country, as if the country had moved on from its homophobic past.”

    No its not a big deal now either. Now thats the way it should be,as he didnt campaign on gay issues either . Indeed hes waited till a Society has changed first, in spite of being a political animal from his youngest days ( involved in Al Gore campaign 20 yrs ago) hes never seems to have tried to movethe debate or speak out on those issues in the 20 yrs since his fisrt active involvment. Theres nothing to say he has to do that, but please dont give anycredit now
    Reverse homophobia isnt OK either.

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  13. Alan Wilkinson

     /  8th March 2020

    Jan Thomas already showcased herself as an incompetent liar supported by an ideological University Council and senior yes-men in the Brash speech debacle. Now their institution continues its slide into insolvent incompetence:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12314822

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  14. Corky

     /  8th March 2020

    JT is running for the Maori Party. National can work with JT.

    They interviewed Greg O’Connor about this. Greg dribbled on about powerful and competent Maori members of the Labour Party while calling JT …John Tammyhearre. Enough said.

    Lawrence Yule( National) was also in the interview. He used correct pronunciation.

    Suddenly the political landscape is become more complicated.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/120102741/new-candidate-john-tamihere-suggests-mori-party-could-go-with-labour-or-national

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    • Duker

       /  8th March 2020

      Tamihere ? He lost the mayoralty as the lowest vote loser of the major candidates since Super City started.
      Banks got 35%
      Palino was 31%
      Crone got 28%
      Tamihere 22%
      Whats the pattern here. Tamihere cant rescue a fading party ? Especially if Labour plays the ‘refuse to work with XXX card’

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      • Corky

         /  8th March 2020

        The dynamics of the upcoming election preclude any comparisons with his local body results.

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        • Duker

           /  8th March 2020

          [deleted incorrect name] party has even less chance in Auckland…Tamihere is a shit campaigner…only loved by the Grey Lynn set…what’s he going to offer ..private land can be taken under Treaty settlements? Good luck with that for national or labour

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          • Corky

             /  8th March 2020

            You may be right. But you are trying to predict a fluid situation. Remember Coronaviruses?

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  15. Corky

     /  8th March 2020

    Sad to see Sir Michael Cullen is terminally ill. He has what one of my relly’s is battling at the moment – small cell lung cancer. The oncologist told us this type of cancer is easy to treat…but comes back very fast. Unfortunately Sir Michael has a stage 4 cancer that has metastasised. Like my relly’s, the lack of symptoms is unusual. In fact my cuzzy is on the piss at this moment.

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