Open Forum – 9 March

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  1. duperez

     /  9th March 2020

    Something to look forward to post-election:

    “If elected, National said it would commit to a “bonfire on regulations”, doing away with two regulations for every new one introduced. It would also scrap 100 regulations within the first six months.”

    I can’t think of where all the regulations came from. 🙃

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018737540/national-party-unveils-economic-plan-early

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    • Duker

       /  9th March 2020

      They should have a bonfire on just re-announcing old policies first. Its the Bridges problem all over again, he doesnt seem to have any new ideas worth talking about
      Is Bridges out there making promises in regard to donations again?

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  2. lurcher1948

     /  9th March 2020

    Simon Bridges,went very quiet,when being interviewed about the JLR allegations in the house parroting the hackney old comment “no national party member has been charged”…roll on the court case and the blood letting

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    • Duker

       /  9th March 2020

      That makes for any interesting moniker ‘ The No national party members $200k donations scandal’

      How come the labour party camp sex scandal was called that even though the accused wasnt a party member….because it was something that the party was central to.
      Same goes for the ‘National Party leader, Mp and possible candidates $200k donation scandal’

      RNZ asked Bridges if any members have been expelled over the charges – his weasel answer ..dont know, when he does to be able to claim ‘no party members’

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  3. Trump and his administration were specifically warned in January 2019 that a pandemic could lead to serious problems if he and his administration didn’t take public health readiness more seriously.

    From the office of the Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats’ 2019 “Worldwide Threat Assessment”: “We assess that the United States and the world will remain vulnerable to the next flu pandemic or large scale outbreak of a contagious disease that could lead to massive rates of death and disability, severely affect the world economy, strain international resources, and increase calls on the United States for support.”

    https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/2019-ATA-SFR—SSCI.pdf

    But Trump thought the Office of the Director of National Intelligence was an unnecessary bureaucratic layer. He not only ignored the Worldwide Threat Assessment but told Coats he was “naive.” He stopped listening to Dan Coats and fired him by Twitter in July 2019 instead.

    Despite the warning from Coats, Trump has done little to prepare, and even tried to cut 80% percent of US epidemic prevention resources across the globe. Trump also left unfilled the pandemic response directorate at the National Security Council, which was created and designed specifically to prepare for the very crisis the US now confronts.

    Trump has become an existential threat to our survival.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  9th March 2020

      Apart from throwing money into the air as Lefties love what could actually have been done then that would make an iota of difference now? Yet another expensive conference for the posturing elite? Increasing the army of bureaucratic paper pushers?

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      • Duker

         /  9th March 2020

        You should have seen the money Trump has been throwing in the air …for farmers affected by bans from China in their trade war.
        These were existing pandemic preparedness measure

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    • Pink David

       /  9th March 2020

      “We assess that the United States and the world will remain vulnerable to the next flu pandemic or large scale outbreak of a contagious disease that could lead to massive rates of death and disability, severely affect the world economy, strain international resources, and increase calls on the United States for support.”

      This has always been true. That would have been in the risk assessment every year fora hundred plus years. It’s got nothing to do with Trump despite your desperate attempts to make it so.

      “Trump has become an existential threat to our survival.”

      You have been saying that for years.

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      • Duker

         /  9th March 2020

        Trump cut the budget….there made it simple for you ….but but….the wall

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  9th March 2020

          That means the money was saved until actually needed for something – like accelerating vaccine development and finding mitigating drugs for this particular virus.

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  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  9th March 2020

    An arrogant swingeing whinge to celebrate international womens’ day from one of the most privileged non-ruling class of females the planet has ever known:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12314832

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  9th March 2020

      I think that Women’s Day is patronising; the idea that women’s achievements must be celebrated as if there’s something marvellous in the fact that we can actually achieve anything treats us like backward children.

      One survey that I read took the hours that various housework things take and made them consecutive. This was totally misleading. The washing machine takes half an hour, but I spend what ? 5 or 10 minutes loading and unloading it. The dryer takes 2 1/2 hours, but it takes a fraction of that to load it, unload it and put the washingaway. A meal may take an hour or two, but much of that will be it cooking in the oven. And so on. Someone could have a roast cooking, the washing machine doing a load and the dryer another at the same time. But as one takes 2 hours, one 30 minutes and the last 2 1/2 hours, it seems as if the poor person is spending 5 hours doing housework.

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  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  9th March 2020

    Bridges talks some sense at last. Hopefully he will follow through properly. Expecting bureaucrats to apply common sense is a vain hope since even if they could be bothered they don’t know enough but think they do:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12314893

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    • Duker

       /  9th March 2020

      Recycled and worn out ideas…
      https://www.national.org.nz/national_will_light_a_regulations_bonfire
      that was Aug 26 2019
      But of course hes aimed his messages at the donor class…I guess the chinese have runaway to hide with their money

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  9th March 2020

        Hardly worn out when they haven’t been applied here yet. Trump showed the way.

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        • Gezza

           /  9th March 2020

          Can’t help wondering if in NZ it will just end up having the perverse effect of increasing the size of the bureaucracy & creating havoc, Al.

          There could well be plenty of regs dating back yonks that haven’t been cancelled & should be but the amount of effort required by Depts to sift & identify them & establish whether they in part or whole are still needed will be probably be hugely time- & resource-consuming.

          Departments should be doing that anyway as part of their normal process for considering & proposing new regulations & legislation.

          I’m sure at least one previous government in my time in the Public Service embarked on a similar large scale red tape reduction exercise. I think in the end the “smaller government/get rid of red tape” fervour led to departments (& councils) outsourcing risk management & monitoring,mlosing what qualified in-house expertise they had, industries policing themselves, Cave Creek, Leaky Homes, Pike River etc.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  9th March 2020

            “If you want a new regulation, scrap two old ones” was a good slogan. Don’t know how it worked out.

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            • Gezza

               /  9th March 2020

              Whose slogan was that?

              The problem with promising blanket policies like “no new regs unless you scrap two old ones for every new one” is that it’s just a mindless rule that will often be self-evidently daft where a new one is clearly needed & there are none existing that safely or practicably can be dispensed with.

              With Bridges it’s probably just about spieling out simplistic sound bites. It assumes all current regulations include some that are out of date. In practice common sense should & probably would apply. But what if your Minister or PM lacks it & just thinks in slogans?

            • Gezza

               /  9th March 2020

              Anyway, whichever government it was (unless it was Lange/Prebble’s, but it sounds more like a former National government approach) I don’t know that it ever usefully achieved any worthwhile results & was probably dealt with by departments certifying when proposing necessary new regs that no existing regs had been identified as dispensible. Who ever goes back & checks these things?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  9th March 2020

              Actually it was Trump’s. He seems to have scrapped quite a lot but made more.

            • Gezza

               /  9th March 2020

              Wouldn’t be surprised. That’s what usually happens. It’s like when Departments reorganise, downsize, create super-ministries & outsource non-core activities to maximise resource usage, introduce efficiencies, reduce costs, create better value for taxpayer money, & improve the provision public services. Which NZ’s ostensibly been doing for 3 decades. 😀

              Results? 😐

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  9th March 2020

              Why not just put a disclaimer that the new reg makes its predecessors invalid ?

            • Gezza

               /  9th March 2020

              New Regs generally revoke any previous ones that no longer apply. It’s part of the standard process for departmental & parliamentary counsel to ensure that happens. But regulations are frequently extensive beasts & often only certain parts are amended, like with sections/subsections in Acts, so a new regulation doesn’t always invalidate another.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  9th March 2020

              Is this explicitly stated ?

              ‘These changes to Reg A, Part 1 and Reg F, parts 5 and 6, make the old Reg A, Part 1 and Reg F, Parts 5 and 6 invalid but doesn’t affect the other regs pertaining to……..’

              Oversimplification, of course, I realise that.

    • Gezza

       /  9th March 2020

      @Kitty – new regulation revoking previous requirement. Example:

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  9th March 2020

    That simon bridges fella isnt really bright,indeed.I hope some journalist with a good memory can recount this to Mr Bridges.especially when 1 example he gave was removing SCAFFOLDING around single story buildings.Evidently, gravity has no effect on you if you try to fall off a 1 story building…NAH you won’t die or break your neck only if you vote national,the party bringing back the dangerous past

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    • Corky

       /  9th March 2020

      Easy..calm down. Wear PVC strides and all will be well. Add a mask to that and it will double as Coronavirus protection.

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      • Corky

         /  9th March 2020

        Just listened to HDA. She had a paint job lined up. Her painter contacted her to say OSH was on his case, so the original quote couldn’t stand. Even though the equipment he was going to use on HDA house hadn’t caused a problem in 20 years of use…. that wasn’t good enough for OSH. New Quote:

        Paint – $2100.
        Scaffolding -$8000.

        And you have the audacity to moan, Lurchy. Do you live in a brick house.?

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  9th March 2020

          Around here people seem to be avoiding scaffolding by hiring a cherry picker.

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          • Corky

             /  9th March 2020

            Good thinking. Even with fuel costs, it would probably be way cheaper.

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        • Duker

           /  9th March 2020

          It was a con to extract more money….first there is no OSH here , it’s called Worksafe.
          Then there is the 3m rule. A friend has his own mobile scaffold for painting his 2 story house which gives a 2 different levels to work from

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          • Corky

             /  9th March 2020

            If you don’t mind, Duker, I’ll believe what HDA has to say, not what you think she should say.

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            • Duker

               /  10th March 2020

              Shes been conned…there are games like this all the time from contractors…suddenly a building consent is an extra $5000
              A family member had an agreement with a contractor about doing up a bathroom…2 weeks before he is supposed to start, its a rented flat so was not tenanted, the price has doubled.
              You live in a sheltered world Corky, when it comes to the ways of the world on contractors. HDPA and hubby Barry Soper are just the sort of newbie property investors who are babes in the wood

            • Corky

               /  10th March 2020

              Look. Learn. Be educated.

              Quote:

              ”The cost of compliance is a joke in this country. We had a quote for $2500 for scaffolding to do a $250 roof repair that would take an hour. If you don’t play the dumb game and Work-shaft catch you, the fine’s huge.”

              Like I said. I will go with HDA. Nothing sheltered about my life. You have me mixed up with Kitty.

              https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/07/the_cost_of_scaffolding_regulations.html

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  9th March 2020

      How much scaffolding does it take to change a light bulb now, Lurch? Just wait till they regulate for indoor road cones too.

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      • Gezza

         /  9th March 2020

        Bro in law is H&S safety manager in NZ petro-chemicals industry. He’s worked in that role in the industry here, in WA, & in Brunei. He was recaently regaling me with his exasperation at the number of Kiwi workers in his company who on worksites wilfully ignore mandated safety requirements & use of provided & required safety wear when working with things like hazardous chemicals the minute a supervisor turns their back.

        He says he can’t get it thru the thick heads of some of them that when they’re given the required H&S training, the requirements are posted everywhere, & they just blithely ignore them, never mind that the company’s liable when it has has done all it can be expected to do to comply with the requirements, they’re personally liable to being sacked, & to prosecution for H&S breaches as well in the event of a disaster or accident to themselves or others.

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  7. Tomorrow’s going to be ugly…

    Trump owns this because he mismanaged the containment phase of the Covid-19 crisis. Now that it is obvious that there will be an epidemic in the US, there is little to suggest that Trump will do any better to mitigate it. Covid-19 is non-partisan, it is deaf to GOP lies.

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  9th March 2020

    Its a pity there is censorship on blogs like on here PG,im toxic as incase i upset rightwingers, its a dumb Dunedin thing seig HIEL,

    [If you keep abusing me via comments I’ll stop considering any of your comments for release. PG]

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  9th March 2020

      Get a grip Lurch and lay off the turps or you’ll be history before your time.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  9th March 2020

        It’s Sieg Heil, anyway.

        Love to RED, JESS and little sister TALLULAH.

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  9. Alan Wilkinson

     /  9th March 2020

    Interesting insights on how civil rights are endlessly extrapolated and abused:
    https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/the-law-that-ate-the-constitution/

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    • Duker

       /  9th March 2020

      So Bridges is not only recycling his announcement from 6 months back, hes flip flopping from when he was minister in charge 6 yrs ago…..I bet Hosking will be pissed off , he was going to come out guns blazing in favour of ‘common sense changes’ in H &S tomorrow, and now he has to throw his spiel in the bin

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  11. New police commissioner announced:

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  12. duperez

     /  9th March 2020

    I”m inspired by the big announcement today. For each new tyre I have to put on the car I’ll get rid of two old ones. That should save me heaps. 😊

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  13. Corky

     /  10th March 2020

    Sean is just covering another area badly affected by the Coronavirus – insurance. Many people who travel for their jobs now can’t. Some Insurance companies will cover..others won’t.

    This is just being confirmed by The Banking Ombudsman. It’s a lucky dip at the moment regarding insurance.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  10th March 2020

      Who’s ‘Sean’ ?

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      • Duker

         /  10th March 2020

        Plunkett.
        When you can’t price the risk for insurance cover , that only leaves the last resort, self insure.
        It’s available in NZ for private business , who can self insure for ACC cover, under supervision of course.
        You can still go to places like Australia or UK which have reciprocal hospital acute care

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  14. Corky

     /  11th March 2020

    Just seen a mother at the supermarket with her children covered in a veil like cloth tent.
    The kids looked liked fruit trees covered with netting. I really wanted to tell this mum that those viruses are mighty small critters. Another mother was using hand sanitiser provided by
    the supermarket year round. She was smothering the babies arms and hers while looking around to see who was watching her mother of the year performance. I wanted to tell her she should read the ingredients list before applying sanitiser to her baby. I guess I’m becoming woke.😮

    https://www.haaretz.com/science-and-health/why-you-shouldn-t-use-hand-sanitizers-1.5331486

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  15. Corky

     /  11th March 2020

    Read and weep. In the old days two bull teachers would intervene and deal quick smart to the situation. Sean has suggested teachers be issued with tasers. Why not? Very sensible.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/03/union-backs-using-force-against-high-school-students-as-ombudsman-pushes-back.html

    On another issue, Sean has a poll as to whether you take your shoes off before entering a house. 69% said they do. The rest didn’t. It’s a must at my house..take your shoes off…or fugg off.

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    • Blazer

       /  11th March 2020

      Sean is a right plonker…sounds like he has tasered himself.

      I am surprised you get visitors to your house.

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      • Corky

         /  11th March 2020

        I prefer not to have visitors, except for the hired help. However, a Maori without visitors,
        is as rare as a European playing a guitar on the front porch…it doesn’t happen often.

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  16. Alan Wilkinson

     /  11th March 2020
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