Prime Minister needs to urgently address calls for immediate lockdown

Health experts are calling for an immediate lockdown of the country. So are doctors and nurses.

Teachers are imploring Ardern to immediately shut down schools.

Social media seems largely in support of more drastic action immediately. Shutdowns are going to happen anyway, it’s just not worth the risk of spread of the virus, not the risk of health and lives.

I expect Prime Minister Ardern will address this soon (this morning after consulting with Cabinet) perhaps. She has to.

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  1. NOEL

     /  23rd March 2020

    Damn the teachers.
    Last week son picked up the older grandchild on request of the school.
    Had a persistent cough. I can understand that one.

    Within an hour a call to uplift the younger one.

    She had coughed twice and was rounded on by the bullying teacher dressing the 5 year old down with a guilt trip of “don’t you realise that Mrs Tosser has no sick leave left and you are putting me at risk.”

    Nah stuff em.
    If you want to close the school suffer the hardship like all the parents and do it on a severely reduced income. After all you wont be doing what you are paid for.

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  2. Gerrit

     /  23rd March 2020

    What happens after the lock down is completed, the virus is still “in the wild” somewhere around the world. New Zealand resident’s will be just as susceptible to it as before the lock down

    How long can a lock down last before the economy collapses and how willing are the people to be locked down for 4 weeks or even 4 months.

    85 year old mother in law has cabin fever after 3 days in lock down in her retirement village.
    Hate to see her after 4 weeks when visitors are logged in and rationed to one at a time plus all communal areas locked.

    A general lock down will be impossible to maintain for any length of time. I would say 2 weeks maximum is all that will be tolerated before widespread curfew breaking becomes the norm.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  23rd March 2020

      Anyone who’s been housebound for any length of time will know how soul-destroying it is. Even a few days when one can’t get out is suffocating. For anyone who lives alone, it could well be a death sentence, and I don’t say that lightly.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  23rd March 2020

        Social isolation is known to be a killer; it’s been compared to smoking in that way.

        I do believe that NZ can contain this virus without the extreme measures called for. We know that it has a 99% recovery rate. Test those at risk, don’t condemn to death from social isolation.

        Our borders are effectively closed. We are an island community, unlike European countries where people can cross the border.

        Italy has either the oldest population in the world or one of the highest, and the people who died had serious illnesses already. 99.2% of the dead were over 80, and it seems that they were being classed as dying of covid rather than dying with it in many cases.

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  3. David

     /  23rd March 2020

    She needs to tell the mob to calm the hell down, why have an economic collapse when the border is already partly shut and she could address the gaping hole there first.
    Her 4 level thing was bloody stupid this was always going to have the media mob wanting defcon a million if its available.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  23rd March 2020

      Two cases of a disease that’s now known to have a very high (99%+) survival rate are hardly an epidemic.

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  4. duperez

     /  23rd March 2020

    One aspect which is no surprise is that different experts have differing views. We’re used to it with economists – one says such and such means something and another says it means something else. One says something should be done while another disagrees and has a contrary solution or plan. In the last two days I’ve heard conflicting views from ‘experts.’

    I’m not going to say that professional and personal jealousy and status is impinging on the current situation, but human nature being what it is …

    That said, I accept that in 2020 media hosts are the biggest experts and of course them being able to say, “My expert is more expert than your expert,” is good for them.

    I heard someone giving us the benefit of their knowledge and experience who on being asked something particular said, “Well, that’s not my field of expertise.” They then continued with an answer and the way things work, what the audience heard becomes the true oil.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  23rd March 2020

      Yes, trust only those who say I don’t know or are frank about the uncertainties. Same with climate change.

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      • duperez

         /  23rd March 2020

        I found my expert to trust. I mean he’s great, he’s always been great, He’s got a lotta good people behind him, great people. It’s on OAN … the fastest growing national network on cable, it’s the new Fox News if you want to know the truth, and it was doctor and it did have his credentials …

        https://crooksandliars.com/2020/03/florida-county-commissioner-suggests-using

        😂

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  23rd March 2020

          Yes, since reportedly the virus attaches and reproduces preferentially to lung rather than nasal tissue you would need to inhale rather deeply and painfully to have any effect and the cure would likely be worse than the disease. On the other hand, Darwin’s Law probably applies.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  23rd March 2020

            You’d need to put it down your throat and have it full blast, wouldn’t you ?

            Well, that would cure the disease, anyway.

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  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  23rd March 2020

    The key statistic is the number of cases requiring hospitalisation given that is the limiting resource. Any policy should be aimed at minimising that outcome taking into account the risk factors for it but I don’t see any data isolating these. For example if 80% of elderly don’t have those risk factors policy should be aimed at the 20% who do.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  23rd March 2020

      Indeed, with everything on computer now it shouldn’t be that difficult.

      But the government wants to be seen to be DOING SOMETHING.

      Treating everyone the same is spreading resources far too thinly. Target those at risk, take sensible precautions with hygiene (which most of us do, anyway, I hope) and go for business as usual. Shut down if there’s a known risk. When I was in the 3rd form, there was a bad flu epidemic. The school sent home anyone with a cough or anything that could be the early signs. I can’t remember how long this lasted, but when we all went back, the school was flu free.

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  6. Alan Wilkinson

     /  23rd March 2020

    New Zealand’s failure and shutdown flows on to the Pacific Islands. Cook Islands face their high season with zero tourists for the foreseeable future:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120488013/coronavirus-famed-cook-islands-resorts-forced-to-close

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  7. Corky

     /  23rd March 2020

    My dentist rang up to say the Health Ministry is closing them down. They have a few days to windup affairs( that may be shortened). Meanwhile, our hospital is in tighter lock down than a Siberian gulag. Security officers with huge pot bellies are stationed all over the place.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  23rd March 2020

      How odd, no other dentists have been closed by the Ministry of Health. There were fears that dentists would have to close if they ran out of masks, but there are no reports of this happening. Yours must have been closed for other reasons.

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      • Corky

         /  23rd March 2020

        Yes, how odd. Well, for you, anyway. Read Pete’s post. I was due for a general check up next week. That has been cancelled. If I have a serious problem I can contact my my dentist as per Pete’s post.

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    • From the Dental Council (and MOH):

      …in the national interest the Dental Council New Zealand and the Ministry of Health together strongly recommend that all non-essential and elective dental services, particularly those generating aerosol, should be suspended immediately to reduce the risk of community spread, including to yourself, your staff and your patients. All emergency treatment* and relief of pain should continue with appropriate precautions taken.

      *Emergency treatment includes oral-facial trauma, significant infection, prolonged bleeding or pain which cannot be managed by medications.

      https://www.dcnz.org.nz/resources-and-publications/updates/update-on-covid-19-novel-coronavirus/

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