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  1. Everything Trump touches dies.

    Now media outlets are refusing to live-screen White House daily “briefings” because Trump’s hour-long riffs are full of dangerous misinformation.

    Vanity Fair: ‘Over the past week and a half, during these televised press conferences meant to inform and reassure the public, Trump has misstated the availability of testing, embellished the use of an antiviral drug, rated his waffling pandemic response a “10,” made a seemingly glib remark about Mitt Romney being in self-quarantine, bashed the media at large, and lashed out at an NBC News reporter simply for asking what the president would say to Americans who are scared’

    MSNBC: ‘the information no longer appears to be valuable to the important ongoing discussion around public health’

    CBS: will rely ‘on scheduled news broadcasts for objective reporting and context on the developments of the day’

    WaPo: ‘These White House sessions—ostensibly meant to give the public critical and truthful information about this frightening crisis—are in fact working against that end’

    Seattle NPR affiliate:

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  2. lurcher1948

     /  26th March 2020

    Chuck Bird describing the head of the WHO,he’s just another old white racist right-winger, no surprises there
    Chuck Bird March 25, 2020 At 4:41 pm
    Would fuckin nigger be fair for this evil cunt.
    Sorry PG he uses different langue on stricter blogs,this was on YSB,he first described the gentleman as “a cheeky little darkie” the day before

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    • lurcher1948

       /  26th March 2020

      Chuck Birds on Radio Magic stating that they are laying tiles outside Jacinda Arderns office,and asked people to photo it, its a pity when the elderly rightwing talk rubbish on the radio. Peter Williams told Chuck Bird to not believe the anti Ardern hate posts on various hate sites….Chuck old age is a curse but you have got to get used to it.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  26th March 2020

      Lurch, I am very sad to hear about Chuck’s deterioration. He was a decent bloke when I knew him. When I look back, I can see slight indications of the coming intransigence. One thing was an ugly corrugated iron fence near his house in a cul-de-sac that he hated and complained about. I’d have been buying a tin of paint (the side facing him was the road side; the owner wouldn’t have known or cared) and painting it green. But he wouldn’t hear of it, it wasn’t his fence, the owner of the paddock should do it. I just dropped it.

      I liked him then, he was a friend of my late husband…but neither of us would like what he’s become.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  26th March 2020

        The Chuck you describe and the one who posted here just are not the one I used to know, all the same. He must have some serious problems.

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        • He can get a bit obsessive about some things. Last week he repeatedly complained about the possibility that babies could be aborted at birth.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  26th March 2020

            It’s a damned shame. He’s a clever man, or was. The fence thing shows where he was heading, I suppose.I’d have bought a tin of paint rather than look at that eyesore (we once painted an ugly corrugated iron fence green and it made it all but ‘invisible’) but Chuck wouldn’t hear of it. I’m sorry to see him deteriorate.

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  3. Corky

     /  26th March 2020

    Police are astounded they are encountering people who know nothing of the enforced lock down. Some of those stopped would have put on the dumb bro act. That’s a great get out of jail card, similar to the Asian refrain of ”I no speak Engish.”

    But the majority will just be plain ignorant of unfolding events. As I have explained before, we have a huge underclass of people who live in their own bubbles. They have minimal contact with what we would call ‘ordinary everyday life.’ Their life exists around their family and close friends. They just move within those circles. In fact, it would be fair to say, they have been in lock down their entire life.

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    • Blazer

       /  26th March 2020

      ‘, they have been in lock down their entire life.’…whereas you my fine fellow live in a Compound,with each ear on a talkback radio station,while surfing the net,and planning your next trip to the…bakery.
      ‘ They have minimal contact with what we would call ‘ordinary everyday life.’ Their life exists around their family and close friends’

      Gee they are really…missing out!!

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      • Corky

         /  26th March 2020

        Really nasty stuff there. Obviously envy mixed with fear. And I don’t blame you. Being unprepared can be daunting. Now let’s have looksie:

        1- ‘Whereas you my fine fellow live in a Compound.’ Now, you should know I have sold that compound..that in reality wasn’t a compound, but a sprawling 1 acre property, admittedly with very good security.

        2- ‘With each ear on a talkback radio station,while surfing the net,and planning your next trip to the…bakery.’

        Er, no. I work while listening to talkback. However, you need to understand that media to know when to listen and when not to. The topic and time are essential. I wouldn’t listen to talkback for more than an hour each day…unlike you who disses that media…but has it blaring all night.

        Now, you have a point about surfing the net. I spend too much time on that. Even given I only post on one blog, not 3 like other posters here. That will be a work in progress.

        ‘’ They have minimal contact with what we would call ‘ordinary everyday life.’ Their life exists around their family and close friends’’

        A decent attempt at trying to twist my narrative back on me. The problem is I have written the truth, and your summation of my lifestyle is wrong. What we have here is a Freudian slip on your part allowing for projection without your conscious censor interceding.

        I hope this has answered your concerns. You are lucky I’m on hold with a call centre..otherwise you wouldn’t have received such an informative answer. 😁

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  4. Conspiratoor

     /  26th March 2020

    This reminded me of our resident prepper…

    [video src="https://i.imgur.com/37INZGw.mp4" /]

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  5. Corky

     /  26th March 2020

    Talkback is buzzing. Apparently public toilets are closed down ( according to some). And strange stuff with helicopters is happening over the Waitakere Ranges. In the North, Ngapuhi is increasing their annexation of their rohe as police stand by. What bs is this?

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  6. duperez

     /  26th March 2020

    Christchurch massacre mass murderer pleads guilty.

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    • That’s a big surprise. Time seems to have deflated his promotional ambitions.

      Posted:
      https://yournz.org/2020/03/26/christchurch-mosque-murderer-pleads-guilty-to-all-charges/

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      • Corky

         /  26th March 2020

        My guess, Pete. He may not be long for this world. He may have realised there’s only one way to gain more publicity and a place in the annals of history. He may want to be a martyr for what he considers ‘his people.’

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        • Corky

           /  26th March 2020

          I saw Tarrant on One news, conferencing from his prison cell. As I feared, he’s lost all his muscle mass and has reverted to a scrawny nobody. Those who have never pumped iron and gained muscle, only to lose it for a variety of reasons, will understand the psychological impact that can have on you. When he looks in his stainless steel mirror he definitely won’t like his reflection.

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          • Blazer

             /  26th March 2020

            ‘ As I feared, he’s lost all his muscle mass and has reverted to a scrawny nobody.’
            Such concern…maybe you can send him some baked…delicacies…organic…naturilich!

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            • Corky

               /  27th March 2020

              I see you haven’t pumped iron. The only pumping you have done is with your ego.

            • Blazer

               /  27th March 2020

              do you want me to pump up your tyres….you’re looking quite…flat…these days.

            • Corky

               /  27th March 2020

              I have lost 7 kgs since Xmas. So, no doubt I’m flatter. I must pass on your offer. But thanks all the same.

  7. lurcher1948

     /  26th March 2020

    Another trumpy dies after following tRumps advise….darwins law in action,death follows orange,fact of life
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/coronavirus-cure-kills-man-after-trump-touts-chloroquine-phosphate

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    • Pink David

       /  26th March 2020

      “Another trumpy dies after following tRumps advise….darwins law in action,death follows orange,fact of life”

      Can you source where you got the quote of Trump saying chloroquine phosphate is a cure for coronavirus. Thanks in advance.

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      • He didn’t say it was a cure. he said it had shown “very, very encouraging early results” and “we’re going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately.”

        As has become common after Trump speaks, he was followed by an expert, FDA Commissioner and oncologist Stephen Hahn, who said that the drug would be available “in the setting of a clinical trial — a large, pragmatic clinical trial — to actually gather that information and answer the question that needs to be answered and — asked and answered.”

        The following day Trump said “It may work, it may not work. I feel good about it. That’s all it is. Just a feeling.”

        Someone ‘clarified again, this time Anthony Fauci, a physician who heads the NIAID and a veteran of outbreaks going back to HIV, emphasized the need for a methodical clinical trial.

        https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/22/why-trump-at-odds-with-medical-experts-over-malaria-drugs-against-covid-19/

        But people have come to trust what Trump says and ignore ‘fake news’ and qualified experts may have got some false impression and used the drug as a result of that.

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      • Here’s another take on it.

        But Trump falsely suggested to reporters that the FDA had just cleared the drug specifically for the viral pandemic spreading in communities across the U.S. That would mean that the drug had met the FDA’s standards for safety and effectiveness.

        Minutes later, FDA Commissioner Dr. Stephen Hahn emphasized that the drug still needs testing to determine if it can help patients. He said chloroquine would have to be tested in “a large pragmatic clinical trial to actually gather that information.”

        Drug trials typically require hundreds or thousands of patients and, even when accelerated, take weeks or months to complete. In his remarks, Hahn reflected on his background as a cancer doctor and warned against giving patients “false hope” before drugs are fully vetted.

        While chloroquine has shown promise in preliminary laboratory studies, some experts are skeptical it will prove effective in human testing.

        “I think it could be a game changer, and maybe not,” Trump said, discussing the drug.

        But the FDA reiterated in a statement Thursday that there are “no FDA-approved therapeutics or drugs to treat, cure or prevent COVID-19.”

        https://www.snopes.com/ap/2020/03/19/trump-falsely-claims-drug-approval-for-coronavirus/

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        • Gezza

           /  26th March 2020

          Yes, this is the problem with Trump at these briefings. He has no logical filter. When asked questions, he often doesn’t think – he just burbles out whatever comes into his head.

          Sometimes he misquotes or grossly exaggerates facts or figures in front of him on paper by ad libbing, or he quotes vague anecdotes he’s heard or that “some people say”. Sometimes he just makes shit up or repeats an old gripe or one of his campaign slogans instead of staying focussed on Covid-19 Taak Force topics.

          He can’t resist boasting; he has to claim everything going on or being done is the biggest, the most, the best – the usual jingoist US stuff he’s always going on about. I think he thinks this is patriotic & that Americans need to hear this. A lot of them probably do, but mostly I imagine they just want to know what the detailed plan is & how it affects them all.

          Sometimes he does actually try to give credit where it’s due, or to defer to an expert, but because he’s such a narcissist he inevitably even does that in a way that he tries to claim they were actually giving him credit for what a tremendous job he is doing, or how smart he is.

          Sometimes what he says makes sense, sometimes it doesn’t, sometimes some does but the follow ons don’t – it really doesn’t doesn’t matter to him; he just says whatever pops into his nut or makes him mad, & then says he’s being honest because that’s what he thinks. At that moment.

          Even when he (or maybe it’s actually one of his team) might be onto a plan or a good idea he’s such a shambolic communicator he just gets sidetracked, causes confusion, & makes whatever planning or good strategies that might be underway within his Administration sound chaotic, dubious, or at least necessary to fact check.

          I’m finding him fascinating. He really IS trying to be a good President & lead & motivate & provide encouragement & reassurance to America at the moment, I think. It’s just that he’s terrible at communicating all this because of his bullying, priveleged, narcissistic personality & character flaws.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  26th March 2020
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            • Gezza

               /  26th March 2020

              Yes. I can see that Trump is making genuine attempts to let his advisers do their jobs & also to work in a bipartsan way with Congressional Democrats – he even praises Chuck Schumer for his cooperation in working with him in today’s briefing.

              But his narcissism & need to be in control of everything is making him take over the briefings where his well-known character flaws & blithering & sometimes ignorance come to the fore. He can’t change who & what he is, but in my opinion, he’s really giving it his best shot, he’s actually trying to work with his opponents for the greater good of the US population and economy.

              He has some seemingly very competent people on that task force, including Pence. And he is clearly listening to them. He has conflicting priorities & advice to manage.

              I think I could agree with much of Conrad Black’s article there – & the last two paragraphs.

              “The polls of presidential job approval have softened slightly, but the polls of approval of Mr. Trump’s handling of the crisis have flipped in his favor. They will continue to rise and pull general approval with it. The President would do better if he could resist the urge to insert himself always and excessively into every public aspect of government, and he is, in managing his quest for attention, making what our elementary school teachers called “steady progress.”

              The credibility of the press declines as it invents pettifogging reasons to harass a president who increasingly is seen as managing a very challenging situation very well. Vice President Biden, holding alternative press briefings on the coronavirus, is almost the answer to a trivia question now and will emerge from that status only in the unlikely event that Mr. Trump mismanages the public health or economic elements of this crisis, as opposed to just somewhat mischoreographing it.”

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  27th March 2020

          Drug trials require large numbers of patients for assuring safety but not for efficacy. My understanding is the safety of this drug has already been approved for other purposes?

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  26th March 2020

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    • Reported US coronavirus cases via @CNN:

      3/1: 89
      3/2: 105
      3/3: 125
      3/4: 159
      3/5: 227
      3/6: 331
      3/7: 444
      3/8: 564
      3/9: 728
      3/10: 1,000
      3/11: 1,267
      3/12: 1,645
      3/13: 2,204
      3/14: 2,826
      3/15: 3,505
      3/16: 4,466
      3/17: 6,135
      3/18: 8,760
      3/19: 13,229
      3/20: 18,763
      3/21: 25,740
      3/22: 33,566
      3/23: 43,734
      3/24: 54,856
      3/25: 68,211 and climbing

      It’s too late to flatten the American curve. The impact of the failure of Trump’s administration to test early and isolate is becoming clearer with the number of cases doubling every 2-3 days.

      At this rate there will be over quarter of a million cases and 3-4,000 dead in ten days.

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      • Top health official says coronavirus pandemic is accelerating in the US

        The coronavirus pandemic is “accelerating” in the United States and “there are other parts of the country which we need to get a better feel for what is going on,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told CNN Wednesday night.

        “I mean, I have spoken to the political officials in New Orleans and in the state of Louisiana. They are now shutting things down in a very vigorous way. It is likely that that should have been done a little bit sooner — not blaming anyone on that but you get caught unaware because the nature of this outbreak.”

        https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-26-20-intl-hnk/h_2c835bf826df1904eda0ed6dd854013d

        A problem with the US is it’s equivalent to multiple countries elsewhere. Covid hit first in Washington State, but then California got it and took drastic action to try and stem it. Followed by New York where they currently have major problems now. Florida is looking iffy, and as above New Orleans now as well. So as it spreads around the country this could be a rolling problem for some time. And the chance of new outbreaks spreading back to states what seem to have got over it is also a potential problem.

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    • Trump is so desperate to keep Americans from seeing the ad in Lurchy’s comment that his campaign has sent a cease and desist letter to television stations insisting that they not air it.

      Yes, the Trump campaign is literally trying to block people from hearing the president’s own words.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  26th March 2020

        Because it is edited to sound as though Trunp called the virus a hoax – a Democrat lie debunked by fact checkers and which a NYT reporter was recently forced to withdraw.

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        • Gezza

           /  26th March 2020

          Snopes rates this partly true

          What’s True
          During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats’ criticism of his administration’s response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying “this is their new hoax.” During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.

          What’s False
          Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.

          I just happened to find & watch this rally speech by Trump on Youtube the day after he delivered it & knew that he did not call the virus a hoax – he called the Dem’s criticism of his administration’s inadequate response to it a hoax.

          Snopes delves into this rally address further with some transcript excerpts which state what I remember him saying.

          They are typical of Trump, where he rambles on so ignorantly citing some flu statistics that he still managed to claim there wasn’t going to be a big problem & that his administration was totally prepared for it – when they clearly were not.

          https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/

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          • Gezza

             /  26th March 2020

            Apologies – Snopes rates that “Trump said virus is a hoax” claim a “Mixture” – forcthe reasons given.

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        • Blazer

           /  26th March 2020

          but what he says is not relevant,its what he does that is…right!
          On a scale of 1-10 …10 being great..how do you rate his handling of C19?

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  9. Zedd

     /  26th March 2020

    finally something I agree with Natl. on: SHOCK
    allowing food shops to at least sell off remaining stock, that could ‘go off’
    >allow butchers to do similar trade to dairies.. one in one out.. next..

    Its starting to sound a bit ‘too regimented’ IMHO, is there something else here ?
    >IF we start seeing military ?? :/

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    • I think it maybe an ACT idea, that Natl likely pinched ? :/

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  26th March 2020

        I agree, and as a vegetarian I am revolted by the idea of meat, ugh, ugh, ugh.

        BUT it’s legal, most people eat it, and why it can be sold in supermarkets and dairies and butchers have to dump the product they’ve paid for is a mystery, If any butchers voted Labour, they won’t now. They were told that they could stay open, next day, too late for them to do anything, that idiot we call a PM says that they have to throw away millions of $ worth of food. It’s not as if they hurriedly and deliberately ordered it in.

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        • Zedd

           /  26th March 2020

          i nearly i agreed with you kitty.. but I dont think the PM is anyones idiot

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        • duperez

           /  27th March 2020

          I understood that with things happening as events unfolded, amongst the millions of situations there would be some which would be hard to understand, would be anomalies, hard to predict and be conundrums.

          Using one of them to say “that idiot we call a PM’ says considerably more about you than the PM or those having to come up with practical solutions to awkward situations.

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          • Conspiratoor

             /  27th March 2020

            Agreed duperez. I would question a number of her attributes but she is no idiot. I understand she has a comms degree and I’d be willing to bet her grades were very good

            What jacinda has in spades is the ability to emote on queue, using every muscle in her face to emphasize the message. Personally I find it forced and a bit creepy but watch her closely next time she wheels out her sadness and anger faces. From the lowering of the mouth corners, the eyebrows descending and the eyelids drooping one minute to lips pressed firmly and eyes bulging the next

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            • Blazer

               /  27th March 2020

              if she put on the passive Lindy Chamberlain face you can imagine the ..outrage.

  10. Corky

     /  27th March 2020

    Amazon will not take anymore orders for books. But my medical equipment supplier has posted they are busy, but have everything in stock. From ventilators to masks to gloves.
    I wouldn’t be making public that information. If the worst comes to the worst, their business will be nationalised by da gummint.

    Good to see private industry coming to the party to help out. Rich pricks can be good pricks.

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  11. Corky

     /  27th March 2020

    Came across this on another blog. It’s a great clip for me:

    1- People who called me racist have been proven to be ignorant morons who understand nothing of the real world.

    2- It shows our media up for the Leftwing muppets they are. Where would we ever hear comments like this from any of our MSM?

    3- Again, it shows why our lax immigration policy has cost the West big time. The good news is, if there is a next time, liberals will have a much harder time spinning their bs.

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    • Blazer

       /  27th March 2020

      well I doubt the aussies have an ex Chinese communist spy trainer in Parliament,like our National M.P.

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  12. I hear on TV news, that a private High School had a recent ‘social gathering’ without ‘social distancing’ & the Govt./PM are not impressed, to hear it
    > its not whether these rangatahi can survive getting corona (not the beer), its the likelihood of passing it on to their whanau & specifically grandparents, who may not survive
    *how ignorant 😦

    STAY HOME.. unless its essential to go out

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  13. Griff.

     /  27th March 2020

    Darwin award of the week.

    Virginia Pastor Who Said COVID-19 Was Anti-Trump “Mass Hysteria” Dies of Virus

    Spradlin was likely already infected when, on March 13, he posted a highly misleading meme comparing COVID-19 and swine flu deaths, suggesting that the current virus response was “mass hysteria” created by the media for no reason other than to hurt Donald Trump:

    That same day he shared a post telling a “true” story of a missionary who cared miraculously for bubonic plague victims without himself succumbing to the illness. That post explained that “As long as I walk in the light of that law [of the Spirit of life], no germ will attach itself to me.”

    https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2020/03/26/virginia-pastor-who-said-covid-19-was-anti-trump-mass-hysteria-dies-of-virus/

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    • Corky

       /  27th March 2020

      ”As long as I walk in the light of that law [of the Spirit of life], no germ will attach itself to me.”

      The question is: was he walking in the light? Did know how to load the light into his etheric body? The answer is probably no. As in science, many of the faithful are deluded.
      But it doesn’t matter what anyone believes. Folk will say it was God’s will.

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