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lurcher1948
/ 29th March 2020My dogs are starting to look at me like this
Duker
/ 29th March 2020nhccselfisolation@health.govt.nz
Is the email line to dob in those non essential businesses not self isolating
Corky
/ 29th March 2020I can’t do it, Duker. Mine sell those divine Soft Jube lollies I totally adore.
Duker
/ 29th March 2020US CDC Weekly Flu/Pneumonia report
“Based on National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) mortality surveillance data available on March 26, 2020, 7.4% of the deaths occurring during the week ending March 7, 2020 (week 11) were due to P&I.
P&I is pneumonia and influenza The data is from about 2 weeks back but shows how serious the flu epidemic was – still is apparently
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S2
As we all know flu is like covid-19 as its a human carried virus that attacks the respiratory system and is spread from person to person in a similar way.
Its not the ‘same’ but like
Other diseases that arent ‘like’ covid19 are , plague, cancer, mental illness, heart disease , just for those who have limited medical understanding of human diseases
other viruses that are not like CV-19 are poliomyletis, meningoccal viruses , osteomyelitis ( which I had) and so on
lurcher1948
/ 29th March 2020Wow,who in this picture could have Covid-19..No personal space anywhere,so.always remember Donald Trump looked directly at an eclipse without eye protection,he’s not the sharpest knife
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUJYg58XgAQQOGo?format=jpg&name=4096×4096
Gezza
/ 29th March 2020Here y’are Lurchy.
Barbara McKenzie
/ 29th March 2020Are we prepared to wreck the NZ economy, destroy jobs and businesses, do huge damage to mental and physical health, and normalise draconian measures of control, for a a flu epidemic? https://www.anti-empire.com/americas-corona-tsar-andrew-fauci-concedes-the-coronavirus-may-be-just-a-bad-flu-with-a-fatality-rate-of-0-1/?fbclid=IwAR3gTF0PDKyBINmEWnquWxP2-Pd-0AJZ3lAZpEjW1hRfmJJLVK2P-99U7Y8
David
/ 29th March 2020https://spectator.us/deadly-coronavirus-still-far-clear-covid-19/
It seems that the big problem is people have to be in hospital on a ventliator for weeks and it ties up so much resource. The recording of the cause of death is chucking up alarming figures, generally if you have lung cancer then that is what is listed as killing you even if it was the flu or something else that carried you off at the end. With Covid they list it as Covid even if you were only a short while off dying anyway and when you combine that with severely under counting the infected people the numbers look appalling.
There is too much politics and media alarmism.
Conspiratoor
/ 29th March 2020“With Covid they list it as Covid even if you were only a short while off dying anyway and when you combine that with severely under counting the infected people the numbers look appalling.”
The BS factor should be reasonably easy to test for simply by tracking the total daily death count by recorded cause. If any or all of the big 6 fall at the same rate as C19 deaths is rising, you know the data is being manipulated to fit the message. In the US the numbers are high enough to pick up this trend
Conspiratoor
/ 29th March 2020Seems they still haven’t worked out how to classify a C19 death…
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/deaths.htm
Pete George
/ 29th March 2020Then there’s this: COVID-19 Mortality Rate ‘Ten Times Worse’ Than Seasonal Flu, Says Dr. Anthony Fauci
https://reason.com/2020/03/11/covid-19-mortality-rate-ten-times-worse-than-seasonal-flu-says-dr-anthony-fauci/
And this: The coronavirus may be deadlier than the 1918 flu: Here’s how it stacks up to other pandemics
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/26/coronavirus-may-be-deadlier-than-1918-flu-heres-how-it-stacks-up-to-other-pandemics.html
It’s difficult to compare death per cases rates. Many cases of Covid-19 are not included in the total cases, but the same applies to the flu – many people will not report that, as it is common it is probably less likely.
Duker
/ 29th March 2020Different numbers Pete
As is pointed out, if you are over 70 and have multiple illnesses, the CV-19 is listed as cause of death . When its all of your illnesses and your time has come.
What about if you are a 70 yr old oncology patient, they are always more likely to die from an ‘infection’ of some kind because of the treatment. Covid -19 is just another one, if it was winter in Australia or NZ they would put it down to flu/pneumonia
As the CDC in US is saying “flu” is responsible for around 1000 deaths per week ,or 7.5% of all deaths, thats epidemic level too , but not even an especially bad flu season when its more like 4000 per week
Pete George
/ 29th March 2020From that same article: For example, Li et al. report a mean interval of 9.1 to 12.5 days between the onset of illness and hospitalization.
That seems like a slow onset – potentially a number of days of circulating and transmitting before deteriorating. This also suggests that case totals will lead, hospitalisation totals will lag, and deaths will take some time afterwards to follow. That’s what seems too be happening in Italy now. And it suggests that the US is heading for much worse statistics.
Trying to work out death versus case rates seems pointless at this stage, we seem nowhere near the peak yet so don’t know what the eventual death rate will be.
Griff.
/ 29th March 2020The death rate from Covid 19 in the USA is at 400 a day and doubling every three days.
Only one state really has a large number of cases yet with half a dozen others catching up quickly .
The death rate from flu in the USA is on average about 1,000 a week.
Can you work out the difference?.
Here is a hint.
In about five days more will be dying from Covid 19 in the USA daily than normally die from the flu in a week.
The increasing death rate will not stop there,.
Duker
/ 29th March 2020So those 1000 a week and 24,000 so far ( might be 2 week old data) dont matter because their virus didnt have the right name ? dead is dead isnt it
And thats nearing the end of the flu season so they expect to decline, 2 years ago it was 4000 a week and over 60,000 in total
see the similarities
Kitty Catkin
/ 29th March 2020Barbara; the answer seems to be yes. The real death rate seems to be a fraction of the perceived one, but that’s a bagatelle.It’s a brilliant excuse to establish a police state.
Let’s hope that the meanspirited ban on even a short drive that’s not to the supermarket and the heartless closing down of newspapers and magazines will anger people enough to make them see that we are paying too high a price by way of loss of civil liberties.
Blazer
/ 29th March 2020‘ heartless closing down of newspapers and magazines ‘….hilarious,hopeless observation…they’ve been closing down bigtime before C19.
Just imagine if the Herald was delivered to your letterbox and it was…DRIZZLING!
Pete George
/ 29th March 2020Fauci said the curbs on social interaction are not an overreaction and there’s no specific date when Americans can gather in large crowds — at NBA games, say.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/sports/2020/03/27/stephen-curry-anthony-fauci-instagram-live-sports-coronavirus-mxp-vpx.hln
Kitty Catkin
/ 29th March 2020An American friend says that a bad flu virus season there can kill 64,000 people.
Kitty Catkin
/ 29th March 2020The magazine and newspaper ban may seem like a small thing, but it’s a creepy indication that this government is seeking total control over our lives. Already we can’t go anywhere but the supermarket, not even for a drive to break the endless tedium. No one who didn’t happen to have visited a library before they were closed will have anything new to read.
Now the only new reading material for many people has been declared inessential. We can’t buy clothes, appliances or shoes; we can’t go out for a coffee or to the pictures. People can’t buy flour, sugar or even potatoes.
Couldn’t we have been left the papers and magazines as a morale thing ?
duperez
/ 29th March 2020There will be some smacked down by paranoia rather than covi-19.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 29th March 2020For sure. And it’s a worry when there seem to be no judicial constraints on it. We can’t tolerate that for long.
Blazer
/ 29th March 2020However, framing America’s response as a direct trade-off between the health of its people and the health of its economy could ultimately harm both, according to LinkedIn principal economist Guy Berger.
“There’s no economy without people, so getting them healthy is the way to get the economy off the ground,” Berger told Business Insider.
“That’s why the public health measures are so important and why they’re essential, even though they’re hard in the short run, that’s the only way to really end up rebooting the economy,” he said.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 29th March 2020Half the population can have the virus with no symptoms. 90% of those who have symptoms recover at home. 90% of those hospitalised don’t die.
There is no need to “get the people healthy” to get the economy healthy. Why do the media publish crap uncritically?
lurcher1948
/ 29th March 2020Damn let those kids walk the streets, getting covid-19 putting rubbish rags in our mailboxes,Kitty, its not a loss of free speech you know,but loss of Kiitty litter tray paper
Kitty Catkin
/ 29th March 2020I see no reason for papers not to be sold in supermarkets as they always have been, or magazines to be sold there as well.
Kitty Catkin
/ 29th March 2020It’s a loss of free speech for the writers in the papers and a loss of our freedom to buy and read them.
How can anyone catch a virus from walking in the street ? It has to be caught from someone else who has it. It’s not like hayfever.
Pete George
/ 29th March 2020Modes of transmission of virus causing COVID-19
https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/modes-of-transmission-of-virus-causing-covid-19-implications-for-ipc-precaution-recommendations
Transmission by touch seems to be the biggest problem. That’s why physical contact, and doing anything that involves contact, are not recommended. Hence the closure of playgrounds, and also dog walk areas which have access gates.
There are also transmission factors that are currently unknown.
Griff.
/ 29th March 2020Transmission by touch seems to be the biggest problem.
I have been carrying a spray bottle of meths mixed with little water and detergent in the car
Before I have to touch anything outside of home I try to spray it first.
If i can not, like in the supermarket, I am very careful of not transferring virus from anything I have touched. I spray my hands and keys etc as soon as I get back to the car.
Anything that enters my environs either gets a spray or washed straight away before it comes inside .
Meths here in NZ is almost pure ethyl alcohol with some nasty tasting shit added to stop alkys drinking it . The water is so it takes longer to dry and the detergent is to act as a surfactant so it spreads better.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 29th March 2020Meths is methanol with the purple colouring agent added to identify it and prevent drinking. I would expect it to be as effective as ethanol against the virus but more volatile.
Griff.
/ 29th March 2020I thought that too Alan until I looked it up before using it as a contact cleaner. Retail Methylated Sprits in NZ is almost pure ethanol.
ERMA New Zealand Makes Meths Safer
FWIW Alky’s filter meth though a loaf of bread to remove the additives.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 29th March 2020You are right Griff. My latest bottle has no contents info other than the additive. The previous bottle says 95% ethanol. No wonder the alkys love it now.
lurcher1948
/ 29th March 2020Always remember this is a rightwinger commenting on general debate, Kiwiblog
Humble Capitalist
That could get awfully messy with the IQ of some of our citizens
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Kitty Catkin
/ 29th March 2020People can’t catch it if there’s no one anywhere near them, e.g, in an empty street.
Gezza
/ 29th March 2020Yeah, they can Kitty. The virus can survive on various surfaces for days. I’ve seen “up to 72 hours” cited in numerous articles. A few others have cited longer periods of time. The problem is that one has to remember every time one has touched any surface someone else might have, & then try & remember whether one washed or disfected your hands after touching anything that might have had a live virus on it.
It’s also made me realise how often I touch my face – without registering that. Like, scratching an itch, or rubbing an eye, or propping your chin in uour hand, or putting a hand under your face when lying down.
David
/ 29th March 2020Some interesting work going on with all sorts of trials, its hard finding coverage of what looks promising.
Remdesivir is one that might : https://cen.acs.org/biological-chemistry/infectious-disease/initial-remdesivir-data-tell-us/98/i13
Leronlimab is being tested at the hospital my brother works at, when he isnt self isolating : https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8161973/Two-COVID-29-patients-taken-ventilators-days-experimental-treatment.html
Even a gout cure may help : https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-study-look-using-gout-drug-prevent-lung-complications-deaths-covid-19-1493966
Finding a way of shortening the stay in hospital would make a lot of difference, stopping young fit healthy peoples immune system from going into overdrive would help.
Dukeofurl
/ 29th March 2020Another one being tested is this long used TB vaccine, BCG
Its seen as an ‘immune booster’ , not something that can directly target the CV-19 virus
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/can-century-old-tb-vaccine-steel-immune-system-against-new-coronavirus
but it might be months ..
Zedd
/ 29th March 2020only a few beers in the fridge.. no herbz in the bowl.. what to do ?
Oh dear How SAD.. never mind
life goes on.. guitar still sounds fine 🙂
Zedd
/ 29th March 2020still a good one to play along with 🙂
seer
/ 29th March 2020Pokokohua merika!
Some fools think the US is wonderful nation spreading freedom and all things wonderful to the rest of the world. “War mongering moron” is how this article (politely) describes it.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/03/in-a-time-of-crisis-us-foreign-policy-gets-worse.html#more
seer
/ 29th March 2020R A Zimmerman probably recorded this around the time of his Tempest album, about 50 years after the JFK assassination. Maybe he has one about 911 that will come out posthumously.
lurcher1948
/ 29th March 2020PG lets bring beauty into the world, im tired of the nastiness on blogs, let’s embrace real music, and a country in strife, Italy…i hope my lovely New Zealand doesn’t have the pain i would die to be able to sing like this man,(too many ferals, from the right who hate) they are encouraged
Alan Wilkinson
/ 29th March 2020UK finds 50% of virus patients going into ICU die there raising questions about what treatment is appropriate and effective.
Corky
/ 29th March 2020As predicted by Duker and myself yesterday, the government looks set to relent on halal meat and its sale. A golden opportunity to show Muslims there will be know special treatment for them, has gone to waste. Even in these troubled times we continue to crawl. Let’s hope those Infidels at the Mad Butchers will be accorded similar privileges.
Gezza
/ 29th March 2020It was a foregone conclusion. Most people figured that one out immediately. What interests me is whether other butchers forbidden to open will now kick up a justifiable stink because it’s pure bloody mumbo jumbo & there’s no sane or justifiable reason that meat butchered halal can be sold while butcher shops that are non halal can’t sell meat.
Gezza
/ 29th March 2020Mind you, Corks, they haven’t been given the ok to sell halal from halal butcher shops yet. From what I’ve seen they’re still struggling to see if there’s a way they can get it into supermarkets instead of allowing halal butcher shops to open. Gonna be a challenge if Muslims don’t want their mumbo juumbo slaughtered H&S regulation compliant meat contaminated by any contact or closeness with normally slaughtered H&S regulation compliant meat.
Corky
/ 30th March 2020”It was a foregone conclusion. Most people figured that one out immediately.”
I agree, if you are talking about this blog. But even then their prediction goes against their general narrative on Muslims, and in some respects would be hypocritical. They also have no consistent record predicting stuff. I do. The latest being in late 2019 when I post that this would be the beginning of the ‘decade from hell.” I even provided a rough date. OK, the warning came from my astrologer. But as no one else on this blog believes in astrology, I’m claiming it as my own. It always pays to acknowledge any prediction that comes true. It keeps the subconscious happy and willing to continue providing help.
If you are speaking of the general public, I don’t think the topic even registers. Even if it did, generally no one would extrapolate out what the decision really means for the future of our culture and national identity.
”Mind you, Corks, they haven’t been given the ok to sell halal from halal butcher shops yet.”
True.
Gezza
/ 30th March 2020I agree, if you are talking about this blog. But even then their prediction goes against their general narrative on Muslims, and in some respects would be hypocritical. They also have no consistent record predicting stuff. I do. The latest being in late 2019 when I post that this would be the beginning of the ‘decade from hell.” I even provided a rough date. OK, the warning came from my astrologer. But as no one else on this blog believes in astrology, I’m claiming it as my own. It always pays to acknowledge any prediction that comes true. It keeps the subconscious happy and willing to continue providing help.
Well, if making predictions is what makes you feel more secure about yourself & any situations, good for you, but I think you overestimate their importance. I’m not interested in making predictions, they don’t really matter that much to me. I might try to guess where things are going sometimes but mostly if it’s not clear or debatable then I just observe & see how things pan put.
Do you keep track of the ones that fail – or those where you hedge your bets – & give yourself an out eg by saying stuff like “I coyld be wrong but …”.
Gezza
/ 29th March 2020Yep. My Saturday shopping bill was definitely higher than usual for the items I bought. My eyebrows went up then my brows furrowed when I saw the total at the checkout, but I was so grateful to have got just about everything on my list after 30 minutes standing outside in a queue in the cold I just felt lucky, all things considered
Supermarket-only-shopping-allowed is an open invitation for them to be sneaking prices up across the board.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/120661543/call-for-pricing-probe-as-prime-minister-promises-briefing-on-supermarkets
Blazer
/ 30th March 2020your supermarket is giving 10% bonus pay rises to workers atm.
Gezza
/ 30th March 2020Yeah I saw a headline about that, but there was also this story yesterday
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/120646913/coronavirus-new-world-workers-on-unpaid-leave-over-lockdown
Gezza
/ 30th March 2020So it looks like NW also resolved the issue around vulnerable staff forced to stay home by deciding to pay them after all.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120663232/coronavirus-foodstuffs-announces-pay-increase-for-supermarket-staff