Essential businesses review, Easter trading to be considered

When Cabinet meets today they will review classifications of what businesses are classified as ‘essential’ so can keep trading. There will always be difficulties drawing a line between essential and non-essential, and there will be inevitable anomalies and exceptions.

With Easter less than two weeks way trading that is usually not allowed on Good Friday and Easter Sunday has been questioned.

David Farrar (may be fomenting mischief) at Kiwiblog: Govt should use its powers to temporarily amend the Shop Trading Hours Act

Under the current law every supermarket in New Zealand has to close on Friday 10 April and Sunday 12 April.

As the only significant source of food open in New Zealand, it would be moronic to force them to close. It would also creates even larger queues for supermarkets on the days after. We already have reports of 400 metre long queues to get into supermarkets.

The Government should use it powers to temporarily amend the Shop Trading Hours Act to allow supermarkets to open on 10 and 12 April, should they wish to. They could even stick in a provision stating no one can be forced to work those days.

He has a point. But can supermarkets be forced to open? Workers are under considerable stress and could benefit from a break.

New World has already announced pausing home deliveries:

Some New World stores are adjusting their opening and closing times to allow our team the time to stock the store safely and enables us to provide any additional support they require.

Our staff are working round the clock to make sure customers’ needs are met and we are very conscious of looking after them too. Feeding and caring for our communities is our greatest priority. Thank you for your understanding and support.

Easter & public holiday opening hours for online shopping. Our online shopping service will not be available on public holidays. Therefore, there will be no deliveries or click and collect available on the following days:

Easter:

Friday 10th April- Good Friday
Sunday 12th April- Easter Sunday
Monday 13th April- Easter Monday

Also Foodstuffs is giving a 10 percent pay bonus to its front-line, distribution and transport employees working throughout the Covid-19 lockdown (RNZ Live).

But PM says supermarkets may open over Easter

The Easter Trading Laws could be amended to let supermarkets stay open on Good Friday and Easter Sunday, days where they are normally forced to stay closed.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern told Susie Ferguson it depends on whether supermarkets need the time shut to restock shelves, but the government will be talking to them directly about the issue.

She expects to have more to share on the issue within the next 48 hours.

Ardern:

“We are having a direct conversation (with supermarkets) right now over whether or not Easter for them is essential for restocking purposes, and I’m hoping to get more certainty over that issue over the next 24-28 hours”.

“…for me I want a pragmatic response. If the supermarkets tell us ‘we actually need that time to restock shelves that we haven’t been able to catch up on’, that’s in the best interests of New Zealanders as well”.

“It’s such a rare thing now, the visit to the supermarket, it’s quite time consuming, they’re having to wait to make sure there aren’t too many people in the shop. I’d rather make sure they that when they go, the things they’re looking for are there.

“And if Easter trading closures enable supermarkets to restock, then that would be helpful to everyone”.

It would also be helpful for supermarket workers to have a break. As other food sources are closed supermarkets will be busier than ever, some staff will have opted out, or in places like Dunedin students who often work in supermarkets will have returned home.

I was talking to a supermarket worker last night who said she would prefer not to have to work due to risks and isolating her from family but feels she needs to. She is starting an hour earlier than normal at 5 am to cope with the workload.

People should be able to manage with supermarkets being closed for a day or two. We haven’t shopped since the lockdown started and aim to keep shopping trips down to one a week – but someone else I know has already been to the supermarket twice since the lockdown started.


‘Additional decisions and exemptions’ were updated yesterday (see Essential businesses)

  • All supermarkets and dairies are considered essential services. A supermarket’s primary focus is selling food product, and is a retail store operating on a self-service basis, selling groceries, fresh produce, meat, bakery and dairy products, and sometimes an assortment of non-food goods. Dairies must operate a one-in-one-out rule, and cannot sell cooked food.
  • Food delivery other than cooked prepared meals such as takeaways is allowed (eg supermarket home delivery, food parcels from charitable organisations, subscription food boxes, or any other whole-food delivery service). Meals-on-Wheels and alternative meals on wheels services that have been referred from a DHB, ACC or MSD may continue to deliver prepared food. Ordering, payment and delivery must be contactless and the business must operate safely within the general health guidelines such as physical separation and hygiene.
  • Food banks are considered an essential social service. Food banks must operate a one-in-one-out rule, and cannot sell or provide cooked food.
  • Multi-product retailers that supply food and beverage as an ancillary service are not an essential service (eg The Warehouse).
  • Locksmiths can undertake essential work on emergency call-outs and essential activity to maintain the security of premises/personal properties.
  • Turf maintenance is not considered an essential service and should not be undertaken at this time.
  • Pet care services are not considered to be essential, except where necessary to maintain existing boarding of animals in pet care, or for long-term care when no other alternatives are available.
  • Vehicle washing services must only be undertaken when supporting essential services to ensure they are complying with the necessary health and safety requirements eg washing off contaminated or biohazard materials.
  • Road safety equipment for road construction should only be used only where maintenance is essential.
  • Farmers markets are not considered to be an essential service, as alternatives are available.
  • Liquor stores must close to the public unless they are in Licensing Trust Areas and the liquor store is operated by the Licensing Trust in that area. Open premises in Licensing Trust Areas can operate with a one-in-one-out rule.
  • Pest management may be undertaken only where required for human health and safety, and it is essential during the Alert Level 4 period. However, operators must ensure people have somewhere safe to go while the process is underway, in particular where a property is being vacated.
  • Campgrounds may continue to operate under very strict protocols and management of access. Eg contact to be maintained only with people staying in the same abode/room; common social and recreation areas to be closed; split shift access to common areas.
  • Backpacker accommodation providers may continue to operate under very strict protocols and management of access conditions. Eg contact to be maintained only with people staying in the same room; common social and recreation areas to be closed; split shift access to common areas.
  • Butchers, bakeries and similar small-scale food retailers are considered non-essential, as similar products are readily available in supermarkets.
  • Furniture moving, in general, is not considered to be essential. However, as the deadline for domestic travel has been extended until midnight Friday 27 March, anyone in the process of moving house will need to complete their move before the end of Friday. Similarly, all furniture deliveries currently in transit would need to be also be delivered by the end of Friday.
  • Natural health services are considered non-essential.
  • Security is considered an essential service, even if security services are being provided in relation to a premise for a non-essential service.
  • Self-storage facilities can operate only to facilitate access for essentials. New sales or expiries of units are considered non-essential. Access to existing lockers is permitted for essential items or services only, eg fridges.
  • Critical support services to ensure businesses and workers can continue working from home are considered to be essential. This includes functions such as IT and Payroll.
  • Rental cars may be accessed in some circumstances. Ministry of Transport has put out documentation on essential transport logistics and services.
    Please refer to the Ministry of Transport website(external link)
  • Every restaurant, café and bar must close all aspects of their operation.
  • Self-service laundries can stay open, with 2-metre physical distancing to be enforced.
  • Bunnings, Placemakers, Mitre 10 and other retailers essential to the supply chain for building and construction can stay open to trade customers for essential purposes only.
  • The Tiwai Point smelter is exempt from closure.
  • NZ Steel is to shut down in a way that allows for production to recommence easily.
  • Pulp and paper plants are to shut down their non-essential elements in a way that allows for production to recommence easily, and while maintaining essential production.
  • Methanex can remain in production, but at a scale consistent with the stability of gas supply.

For the avoidance of doubt, sectors and occupations specified in the following are also included in this list of essential services:

  • Schedule 1 of the Civil Defence and Emergency Management CDEM Act 2002 Schedule 1 of lifeline utilities AND
  • Employment Relations Act 2000 Schedule 1 of essential services.

One contentious business type is butcheries. Note “Butchers, bakeries and similar small-scale food retailers are considered non-essential, as similar products are readily available in supermarkets.”

Stock of meat held in chillers is being considered.

Halal butchers have appealed this, saying they are essential for Muslims. If Halal meat isn’t readily available in nearby supermarkets they have a point – if Muslims stop eating meat because they can’t get what they want that could affect their nutrition and health. No one should be forced to consume food that breaches their religious beliefs (not just Muslims).

But of course if Halal butchers are granted an exemption other butchers will feel hard done by (with some justification). And people who like to gripe about Muslims will see it as an excuse to rant some more.

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57 Comments

  1. Blazer

     /  30th March 2020

    the Cadbury lobby is strong.

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    • Not in Dunedin.

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      • Gezza

         /  30th March 2020

        Cadbury’s might still have the choccy biscuit & speciality Easter eggs & choccy bars edge but Whittakers has really taken off in the choc block & sante & other bars departments here, I think, ever since Cadders downsized their family blocks & changed the recipe. I can’t stand that oily taste of Cadbury’s.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  30th March 2020

          Erghhhh…..I know they changed it back, or said they had, but….

          I am now a Whittakers girl.

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          • Gezza

             /  30th March 2020

            I think they say in here that they changed back to the old Cadbury’s recipe. They’re owned by some yank conglomerate – Mondelez – now. I don’t know whether they really have or haven’t. Google turned up some recent articles indicating Mondelez still has a high vege / palm oil content.

            https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-wine/food-news/110558598/cadburys-timeline-of-public-outrage-from-snifters-to-minties-to-creme-eggs#comments

            I used to like Cadbury’s Dairy Milk but when they increased the vegetable/palm oil content & downsized their blocks, it was so oily & awful-tasting I switched to Whittakers. And the last time I tried some gifted Cadbury’s, after getting used to Whittakers, Cads’ still tasted so oily in comparison I no longer like it at all.

            Like most of the commenters in that article, I also now support Whittakers because they’re Kiwi-made – just up the road in Porirua.

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    • Gezza

       /  30th March 2020

      What makes you say that?

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  30th March 2020

        I like Whittakers better.

        Their very dark one, the expensive one, gave me a migraine and it was almost worth it.

        I was at P & S today as a good half of my previous Countdown order (made before the lockdown) didn’t arrive and it seemed pointless to pay a delivery charge for so few items. It was impossible to book a slot at P & S, so off I went. CD had a queue from here to eternity, P & S had none and had nice full shelves. I saw huge bags of flour and sugar that looked like commercial ones, but as I don’t use either, I didn’t look to see if they had the smaller ones or potatoes which people haven’t been able to get.

        The bus driver could have put me off as I wasn’t registered (I didn’t know I had to be) but didn’t, which was kind of him.

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  2. David

     /  30th March 2020

    Our lockdown is way more brutal than any other country, most people are still working in Italy obviously not bars and restaurants etc. even Ferrari was still building cars up until a few weeks ago and voluntarily closed. In the UK you can still go to the hardware store, go to the building site and JCB did the same as Ferrari and voluntarily closed due to no demand not state diktat. Australia and Sweden its pretty much business as usual.
    I am waiting for the media to get bored with nothing to report and no advertising dollars and that is the only way any restrictions get lifted. At the moment they are in a privileged position, insiders with special status and an important job to do.

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    • You’re comparing us to Italy (another 756 deaths, total 10,779) and the UK (another 209 deaths, total 1,228)?

      They are ahead of us in getting Covid, and we won’t know how effective our lockdown turns out to be for another week or two, but I’m very glad I’m here in our situation.

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      • MaureenW

         /  30th March 2020

        I’m happy to give this strategy until the 6th April when we should get a reasonable idea of its merit or otherwise.

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      • David

         /  30th March 2020

        Sorry I meant to put on the end of it “what is the plan when we re open with the border still open” given the severe economic impact we will suffer.

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        • That’s a real issue that I haven’t seen any answer to yet. The authorities seem concerned only with the lockdown and clamping down on the spread, not how too easy out of restrictions. I expect the easing will be gradual and quite lengthy.

          But international travel is likely to be very unpopular for a long time too.

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    • Blazer

       /  30th March 2020

      ‘most people are still working in Italy ‘…brilliant David….using the country with the highest per capita death rate in the world as a comparison!

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      • Duker

         /  30th March 2020

        What Italy has called lockdown is what we would call Stage 3 + , with the exempt industries being bigger than NZ
        “Late in the evening of March 21, Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte addressed the nation in a Facebook live video and said that his government was going to toughen the existing measures to tackle the coronavirus epidemic ravaging the country.

        As a result, everything would need to shut down. “The government’s decision is to close down — on the whole national territory — every industrial activity that isn’t strictly necessary and crucial to grant us essential services,” said Conte.
        “A list of about 80 industries that would be exempt from the rule was circulated by the government the next day, and it was later expanded to 97 sectors, including aerospace, defense and the production of agricultural machinery.
        https://www.dw.com/en/italian-workers-protest-against-open-factories-as-covid-19-spreads/a-52921359

        So its not all factories , but I dont know what % are shut

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    • Griff.

       /  30th March 2020

      Why do we get a constant stream of bullshite from the right?

      On the evening of 9 March, the quarantine measures were expanded to the entire country, coming into effect the next day. In a televised address, Conte explained that the moves would restrict travel to that necessary for work, and family emergencies, and that all sporting events would be cancelled.[26] Italy was the first country to implement a national quarantine as a result of the 2020 coronavirus outbreak.[27]

      Conte announced on 11 March that the lockdown would be tightened, with all commercial and retail businesses except those providing essential services, like grocery stores, food stores, and pharmacies, closed down.[28] On 19 March, with over 35,000 confirmed cases and nearly 3,000 deaths from the disease, Conte stated that the lockdown would likely be extended past its initial deadline of 3 April.[29]

      Luigi Di Maio, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, has said that the lockdown has been necessary for Italy.[30] The Italian authorities established sanctions for those who do not obey the orders, even those who, having symptoms of the virus, expose themselves in public places, being considered a threat of intentional contagion.[31]

      On 21 March, Conte announced a further enlargement of the lockdown, by shutting down all non-necessary businesses and industries.[32] This measure came after a rise in the number of cases and deaths in the previous days, and after multiple institutions – including trade unions, mayors, and regional presidents – asked for a generalised shutdown of the Italian production system.[33][34] On 22 March, Lombardy strengthened its measures, banning all outdoor physical activity and the use of vending machines.[35]

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    • Griff.

       /  30th March 2020

      This is what Dave said.

      Our lockdown is way more brutal than any other country, most people are still working in Italy obviously not bars and restaurants etc. even Ferrari was still building cars up until a few weeks ago and voluntarily closed

      When we look into that most people are not working in Italy.
      Some industry’s are exempt.
      Some are here as well including the agricultural sector and the smelter.
      We can still go outside for physical activity.
      NZ does not have a way more brutal lockdown than any other country. Dave was taking right wing nonsense as usual.

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      • Duker

         /  30th March 2020

        Yes we do . Those 90 odd sectors are ‘Factories’, as clearly farming has to continue here and Italy for obvious reasons

        “It includes supermarkets; grocery shops; companies associated with the production and distribution of drugs and medical devices; banks; insurance firms; post offices; newsagents; IT repair; tobacco shops; energy and gas companies; waste collection and processing; plastics, paper, aluminium and chemicals producers; oil refineries; civil engineering; machine production; professional consultancies; wood packaging; house cleaning and call centres.

        Some regional governors have expanded the list of shutdowns
        “In Lombardy, all building companies that are not involved in the construction of healthcare facilities must suspend work.
        Decentralised branches of public offices, holiday apartments and hotels must also close.”
        https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/italy-shuts-industries-critics-200324193538547.html

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  30th March 2020

        NZ does not have a way more brutal lockdown than any other country.

        True. We are just the same as the other left-wing dictatorships.

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        • Gezza

           /  30th March 2020

          And right wing dictatorships, & dictatorships generally, and theocracies…

          In one form or another it’s happening everywhere, Al. Countries that started out with looser restrictions are now toughening up.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  30th March 2020

            Few as tough as ours and none that are have as few cases.

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            • Duker

               /  30th March 2020

              Swedes arent right wing dictatorship.

              100 deaths as of a few days ago and what we would call level 2 , and maybe restrictions coming and going from Stockholm metro area

  3. Corky

     /  30th March 2020

    ”Natural health services are considered non-essential.”

    There’s no such thing. Health services are modes of medicine that help people. Take Chiropractic for example. Up and down the country tens of thousands ( maybe more) of people SERIOUSLY rely on their Chiropractor for keeping them pain free and functioning. Those people are going to be in serious trouble and non productive should problems arise during lockdown.

    To be fair, hygiene and safety would be a difficult procedure to implement for this service. But it could be done.

    Once again we see how the bureaucratic mind works. Starting with being divorced from reality.

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    • Duker

       /  30th March 2020

      Divorced from reality ?
      So that was your career then

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      • Corky

         /  30th March 2020

        No..as a matter of fact, I was a professional lotto player until a week ago.

        But talking of divorced from reality. Would you like to update us on your original musings about Coronavirus?😄

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        • Duker

           /  30th March 2020

          Havent you switched to online lotto ? Same game isnt it.
          But yes it confirms you are divorced from reality

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          • Corky

             /  30th March 2020

            ”Haven’t you switched to online lotto ? Same game isn’t it.”

            No, because I have to spend $ 800 p/w. The limit is $150 p/w for online accounts.

            I have opened an account using an abbreviated system…but I’m back to basically guessing. I did however win a 4 number prize and a bonus ticket first time up.

            ”But yes it confirms you are divorced from reality”

            Please explain..take your time.🤔

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            • Duker

               /  30th March 2020

              Ok . I thought you might want to be ‘all cash all the time’

            • Corky

               /  30th March 2020

              Always remember, Duke…when it comes to the crunch… money, gold toilet paper, drugs, tea and coffee will be valuable. No one will be interested in plastic cards and make believe stuff.

            • Gezza

               /  30th March 2020

              If you end up with hyperinflation & need a wheelbarrow of money for a loaf of bread money’s no use.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  30th March 2020

              The banks are in lockdown, so cash will be very unpopular.

              I haven’t seen any gold toilet paper; is it made of gold leaf ?

            • Corky

               /  30th March 2020

              That becomes the end times when money becomes obsolete for human existence. Money, however, will still be horded by people hoping for things to improve. I will do that to a certain extent. I could charge $100 dollars for a toilet roll should supplies start to run out.

            • Corky

               /  30th March 2020

              Your bank may be in lock down..mine isn’t. And ATMs are working. They don’t dispense plastic money.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  30th March 2020

              I don’t bank at ASB, KiwiBank, BNZ, Westpac…all are closed. I assume that ANZ is, there was no sign of life there.

              Money now IS made of plastic; paper money went out years ago and was replaced with tougher notes made of a kind of plastic.

              As dunny paper is available in supermarkets, the odds against anyone paying $100 for a roll are overwhelming. You could charge it, but no one would pay it.

            • Corky

               /  30th March 2020

              https://www.nzba.org.nz/2020/03/24/banking-services-open-during-level-4-lockdown/

              ”Money now IS made of plastic; paper money went out years ago and was replaced with tougher notes made of a kind of plastic.”

              Hmm that’s funny. Miss from that post was ‘ make believe money.”

              Still no problem. What I meant was subjective money not backed by hard currency.

              ”As dunny paper is available in supermarkets, the odds against anyone paying $100 for a roll are overwhelming. ”

              It’s beyond me how you can’t understand context. Let me repost my original comment here:

              ”That becomes the end times when money becomes obsolete for human existence. Money, however, will still be horded by people hoping for things to improve. I will do that to a certain extent. I could charge $100 dollars for a toilet roll should supplies start to run out.”

              The inference there is we are at the’ end times.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  31st March 2020

              You said that ATMs ‘don’t dispense plastic money’ ; but banknotes are now made of plastic and have been for years.

              You missed the important part of that link; that banking SERVICES will still be available. IE online, as the article says. Some banks are open for part of a morning once a week, others, like KiwiBank, are closed altogether.

              Even if bog paper ran out (unlikely), people would find some alternative to your $100 a roll gouging.

  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  30th March 2020

    The madness continues as the airports bring in the untested infected, untested medics infect each other and their patients and the police and bureaucrats invent fantasy risks to stop everyone doing anything because who needs to think if you have unbridled power.

    Half the population thinks it is crazy and the other half are crazy and demand everyone be as crazy as they are. Welcome to full scale headless chook panic.

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    • Corky

       /  30th March 2020

      It’s a bad situation, Alan. Us Righties may have to ‘go dark’ soon.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  30th March 2020

        I’m pretty dark already, Corky. Both our holiday rentals are hosting refugee couples from the lockdown for its duration. We have animals to look after and entertain us which give freedoms and duties others don’t have. Horses broke their trough valve last night so I had to go out and replace it this morning. Lovely day in the country but the trough was freezing cold trying to unscrew the broken one. Don’t know how long the supplies in my man cave will hold out for fixing things.

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    • Duker

       /  30th March 2020

      There will always be ‘rough around the edges’ effects

      IT is exempt as they are needed to support both essential industries and those that work form home. So is Payroll workers
      I read that a policeman stopped an IT contractor who had a letter from an essential business who needed support for video conferencing. ( well any business really)
      No he said go back home

      In away you need to have tcopies of the news reports covering the exempt lists with you to say – It says here.
      Of course Cops dont take to people telling them they are wrong, its a mindset they have so they dont go crazy always being challenged

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      • Gezza

         /  30th March 2020

        Yes, that’s been my experience. Police operate in their own little bubble anyway these days. They don’t like being chatted with, a lot of them are very brusque & unnecessarily rude. It’s a shame. As long as they’re like that they don’t feel like part of the community, when they should be.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  30th March 2020

          I am far more likely to catch the bug from a policeman than anyone else in my bubble. I’ll be asking them to stand well clear.

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          • Duker

             /  30th March 2020

            Since you want ‘more much more testing’

            Have you volunteered to become a CV-19 tester , you know get up close, real close to possible carriers , all be it in protective clothing that you hope will be sufficient

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  30th March 2020

              If there was a local need, I’d be happy to do a share, Duker. In my previous life as a research organic chemist I was used to dealing with stuff that wanted to kill me.

            • Duker

               /  30th March 2020

              As I thought you had been been trained in rational thinking

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  30th March 2020

              My main career was computer software. 90% pure logic.

            • Gezza

               /  30th March 2020

              Quite surprising how often that remaining 10% that isn’t logic is what makes all the difference to success or not, wouldn’t you say, though?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  30th March 2020

              Of course. That’s the bit that decides what you do and who for and with.

    • Gezza

       /  30th March 2020

      I needed to get a large courier pack. The local post shop franchise is closed. So postal services aren’t really fully working here.

      It’s a nice sunny day after two days of rain & wind. Good to see people out walking in their little family bubbles. A lot of them with their family dogs with wagging tails and happy little faces. They probably aren’t used to the whole family walking them.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  30th March 2020

        Gemma wasn’t used to Mrs Al running her the other night. Gave her the “Good God, what happened?” look.

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        • Gezza

           /  30th March 2020

          Just booked in for my flu shot on Wed, 9am. They’re still giving them at my Medical Centre – either in the car or in the surgeries.

          Someone had told me in the supermarket queue on Saturday that they weren’t: that you had to get them at the pharmacy now. Pays to check rock solid information from people in queues.

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          • Duker

             /  30th March 2020

            Pharmacies could do them last year , thats interesting but I go to the doctors and the nurse does it directly

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          • Gezza

             /  30th March 2020

            Yes, a nurse does mine too. Pharmacies can do them, not sure for how many years that’s been operating now. But I’ve just assumed they only do them for paying customers. I qualify free for a funded jab.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  30th March 2020

              Chemist Warehouse does them. I can’t remember how long chemists have been doing them. as I have mine free because I am an asthmatic. No great loss without some small gain.

  5. Gezza

     /  30th March 2020

    One contentious business type is butcheries. …Halal butchers have appealed this, saying they are essential for Muslims. If Halal meat isn’t readily available in nearby supermarkets they have a point – if Muslims stop eating meat because they can’t get what they want that could affect their nutrition and health.

    No one should be forced to consume food that breaches their religious beliefs (not just Muslims).

    But of course if Halal butchers are granted an exemption other butchers will feel hard done by (with some justification)…

    I’m really looking forward to this decision because a common defence by governments for lockdowns is that they being driven by epidemiology – i.e. science.

    And there’s no scientific justification for what we all know is simply the ritual mumbo jumbo of halal requirements.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  30th March 2020

      Correction: “epidemiology – i.e. mumbo jumbo so long as the critical parameters are speculation”.

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