Trump warns of “a very painful two week period” but…

Donald Trump’s ‘beautiful Easter Sunday’ aspiration seems a long time ago (it was last week).

Yesterday White House predicts 100,000 to 240,000 will die in US from coronavirus

President Donald Trump prepared Americans for a coming surge in coronavirus cases, calling COVID-19 a plague and saying the U.S. is facing a “very, very painful two weeks.”

“This could be a hell of a bad two weeks. This is going to be a very bad two, and maybe three weeks. This is going to be three weeks like we’ve never seen before,” Trump said at a White House press conference Tuesday. White House officials are projecting between 100,000 and 240,000 deaths in the U.S. with coronavirus fatalities peaking over the next two weeks. “When you look at night, the kind of death that has been caused by this invisible enemy, it’s incredible.”

He has been more on message with his health experts, but he is still saying some strange things.

President Trump Warns Of Coronavirus Apex: “This Is Going To Be A Very Painful Two Week Period”

“As a nation, we face a difficult two weeks as we approach that really important day when we’re going to see things get better, all of a sudden,” he said. “And it is going to be like a burst of light, I think, or I hope.”

It seems unlikely things will suddenly get better in two weeks. Italy and Spain are still struggling with high daily death rates and deaths are surging round Europe.

The US has  a huge problem looming in some states, in particular New York, but the virus has spread around the country at different rates, so it is likely to peak at different times.

It’s more likely to be a very painful month or two in the US at least.

Total cases in the US are now over 200,000, jumping by 24,742 yesterday (GMT) – that’s a third of the recorded world wide rise (73,770).

Deaths jumped to 912 for a total of 4,053 yesterday afternoon (now 4,528). That’s an alarming rise rate.

Source of stats https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

 

 

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  1. Griff.

     /  2nd April 2020

    Deaths jumped to 912 for a total of 4,053 yesterday afternoon (now 4,528). That’s an alarming, expected rise rate.
    Doubling every three days will do so for about two weeks yet .
    Then if they are very lucky it might slow a little.
    Trump has no idea and does not listen to anyone who does .

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    • Duker

       /  2nd April 2020

      Tik tik …24000 target ? The estimated flu deaths may be even higher , it was recently at 44,000
      As the CV-19 R0 is a bit more than for flu it climbs more steeply at first

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      • Griff.

         /  2nd April 2020

        Math not your thing?
        I am talking of the death rate not the cumulative total .
        The death rate is presently 900 a day .
        Exponential growth. The daily death rate is doubling every three days has been for the last month.
        900x2x2x2x2x2 28,800 a day in fifteen days .

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    • Given patterns elsewhere it’s expected, but still alarming.

      UK deaths are also surging now. Their initial limited response may be starting to bite, there’s about a two week lag between surge in infections and surge in critical cases and deaths.

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      • Duker

         /  2nd April 2020

        Do you know the daily death rate in US ?

        March just ended its just over 8000 PER DAY. Mostly elderly and those who have existing medical conditions

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        • So 900 additional deaths yesterday and likely more today is quite significant (10-15% increase), and is expected to get much worse over the next few weeks.

          And could be ten times worse if nothing had been done about trying to limit and slow the spread.

          Hospitals often run near capacity and are easily tipped into crisis, especially when there are large numbers of additional critical cases (currently 5,000 in the US and climbing fast).

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          • Duker

             /  2nd April 2020

            Do you know how many hospital beds in US ?
            925,000.
            Just saying doom laden scenarios with no context arent very useful,
            you seem to be very interested in anything that starts with crisis or doom

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            • The world is currently in a health crisis and is heading towards a probable economic crisis. There’s a lot well known context.

              Case numbers and death rates are climbing rapidly. You seem to be interested in trying to say there’s no abnormal issue.

              Even major leaders like Trump, Johnson and Morrison who originally played down the problem (not as much as you) have quickly switched to treating Covid as a crisis.

              One notable leader holding a fiddling while his country burns approach is Bolsonaro in Brazil, but he is being ignored.

              Bolsonaro ignored by state governors amid anger at handling of Covid-19 crisis

              Brazil’s president Jair Bolsonaro is facing a growing backlash over his handling of the coronavirus crisis, with the state governors responsible for more than 200 million of the country’s 210 million people refusing to follow his commands over the pandemic.

              Bolsonaro has repeatedly played down the dangers of Covid-19 and last week urged Brazilians to get back to work – in defiance of advice from the World Health Organization and his own health ministry.

              But his exhortations have been largely ignored by politicians and the general public.

              Just three of Brazil’s 27 states, home to 5.7 million people, have relaxed social isolation measures as coronavirus cases continue to rise – Brazil has 5,717 confirmed cases and 201 deaths. A study showed almost 60% of Brazilians are staying at home.

              https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/01/brazil-bolsonaro-ignored-by-state-governors-amid-anger-at-handling-of-covid-19-crisis

              Brazil’s number of deaths have started to climb rapidly over the last couple of days – likely to double in 3 days. Their cases total doesn’t mean much because of “massively underreported infections”.

              https://brazilian.report/coronavirus-brazil-live-blog/

            • Pink David

               /  2nd April 2020

              “a probable economic crisis.”

              I’ll fix this for you;

              A certain economic catastrophe.

          • Pink David

             /  2nd April 2020

            “So 900 additional deaths”

            Can you show the source for them being additional? Genuine question, there is never little evidence this is more than expected simply being reported in a loud way when it’s an everyday occurrence.

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            • Unfortunately dying from Covid-19 – directly or accelerated via another illness – is an everyday occurrence at the moment, currently running at about 4,500 per day.

              Sure some of those who died might have died in the same month or year of other causes, but it is still recorded as a Covid-19 death because that was the primary cause.

              This isn’t unusual. My bother’s US death certificate shows his cause of death as cardiovascular disease (heart attack), but with a ‘significant contributing cause’ as diabetes mellitus. But the cause was still heart attack, and he was unlikely to die from diabetes for some time if at all directly.

              Some who die due to Covid may have died next winter of flu or been hit by a bus something else, but that could be the case for any illness. Many who die due to the flu are susceptible due to other medical conditions, that’s very common especially in the elderly.

            • Duker

               /  2nd April 2020

              “winter” alone adds 1000 deaths per day to US numbers, often respiratory related
              Meanwhile in NZ 6 people per day are diagnosed with leukemia, not normally without symptoms or ‘cured’ by 10 days in bed at home.
              While its likely to be recurring treatment , we would have more people in hospital with leukemia related illness than Covid-19

            • So well into Spring winter deaths should be diminishing.

              I still don’t know what your point is continuing with this angle. Are you trying to say that because people die of various things already new causes are no cause for concern and we should be doing nothing to limit the spread of Covid-19?

            • Duker

               /  2nd April 2020

              I keep saying why I bring this up.
              You arent giving any context …4500 hospital beds ( when the whole country has 925,000)
              Daily deaths in US are around 8200 ( by average) anyway , gives context to otherwise ‘scary numbers’ – and this is your actual words ” deaths jumped 900″
              The average deaths could vary for the same week by 900 per day anyway…Statisticians would call it within normal range.
              is it too hard to say daily deaths are 8200 plus or minus 800 or so anyway

              The flu deaths 2 years ago were 4000 per week alone at the peak, this year on the slow down its still at 1000 per week

              Spread over a whol years deaths , the CV-19 like flu is usually bring forward deaths that would have happened in this year or next.
              Its not like the 1918 flu when not only was the deaths very high a huge number of those who died were 20s and 30s who would have died 40 yrs later.

            • So if people would likely die in the next year or two anyway allowing (or not caring about) Covid-19 to ‘bring forward’ their deaths is ok?

            • Pink David

               /  2nd April 2020

              “So if people would likely die in the next year or two anyway allowing (or not caring about) Covid-19 to ‘bring forward’ their deaths is ok?”

              That’t not what he’s saying at all. He making the absolutely critical point, people die. We have no information that proves that C19 is causing death to any degree more than, say flu other than a single data point. Many of these numbers are just reporting ‘died with C19’, causation isn’t even established.

              This gives a very good view of why it’s so important;

    • Quite a grim assessment by Frieden, but it helps explain a few aspects of the pandemic in relation to the US.

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  2. Gezza

     /  2nd April 2020

    I thought when Pence started waving “President Trump’s” guidelines 15 Days To Slow The Spread that that was rather a foolish title. It was obvious from the outset 15 days would be extended. Fake news.

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    • Gezza

       /  2nd April 2020

      🤔

      Ishmael – you can probably safely call those guidelines a hoax. 👍🏼

      Reply
    • Putting a limited timeframe on it may have been a bit foolish. But hey have done the same thing, doubled the period.

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      • Gezza

         /  2nd April 2020

        Good recovery, but now they have to trash all the 15 days ones. Outrageous waste of taxpayers’ money needed for PPE.

        Trump will have to go ! 😡

        Who else have they got ? 😳

        Reply
        • Conway criticizes Biden for not offering to help Trump on coronavirus

          Senior White House adviser Kellyanne Conway criticized former Vice President Joe Biden on Wednesday for not calling President Trump to offer assistance or support amid the coronavirus outbreak.

          Biden, the likely Democratic nominee, has been isolating at home in Delaware, where he’s been giving cable news interviews to talk about the Trump administration’s shortcomings in addressing the pandemic.

          “I think it’s really disappointing to have President Obama’s number two, who apparently doesn’t talk much to him, out there criticizing instead of saying, hey, here’s what we did that we thought was effective,” Conway said on “Fox & Friends.”

          “Why doesn’t Vice President Biden call the White House today and offer some support? He’s in his bunker in Wilmington, and I have to tell you we’re not talking about politics here at the White House at all. We’re talking about ventilators and vaccines, not Biden and Bernie.”

          https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/490573-conway-criticizes-biden-for-not-offering-to-help-trump-on-coronavirus

          Biden offers to call Trump at White House to discuss coronavirus response strategy

          Former Vice President Joe Biden is offering to call President Trump to discuss a strategy to combat the coronavirus pandemic rocking the nation, Fox News has learned.

          The White House did not immediately respond to Fox News’ request for comment on whether the president would be receptive to Biden’s offer for a phone call, or when the proposed phone call between the two could take place.

          Biden has been offering advice and warnings to Trump about the coronavirus in media interviews and appearances for months. Wednesday, however, is the first time the former vice president is offering to speak with the president directly.

          https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-offers-to-call-trump-at-white-house-to-discuss-coronavirus-response-strategy

          I have no idea how this would improve the US handling of the virus.

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          • Gezza

             /  2nd April 2020

            I think Conway’s right. It couldn’t do any harm & actually would’ve been a smart move by Biden to call Trump directly. Now he’s surrendered the initiative & kudos to Conway. He’s not a very bright guy.

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            • That’s if Trump wants to be seen to be cooperating with Biden. Conway has sort of made him have to or he will appear to be unwilling to cooperate.

            • Gezza

               /  2nd April 2020

              Doesn’t make any difference. Trump probably won’t pay much attention to Biden but the optics of taking his call will work for Trump, rather than Biden because now Trump can say that Biden has called him & told him he’s doing a tremendous job & it was beautiful call. And then claim credit for anything Biden does suggest that might be worth running past Trump’s task force & putting into effect.

            • Duker

               /  2nd April 2020

              The top elected Democrat is Nancy Pelosi
              He coould call her. After its Congress that is supposed to be separate but equal to the Presidency
              Biden is keeping clear ‘so as not to rain on Trumps parade’

            • Gezza

               /  2nd April 2020

              Pelosi, The Governess. Always seems to have a stern face like white marble. Dunno exactly what it is about her but she & Schumer are both political parodies to me, whining all the time. You never seem to see either one smile. I reckon the pair of both put on as much of a silly act as Trump does. Do they have any real people in politics over there.

          • Duker

             /  2nd April 2020

            On Friday, March 13, Donald Trump stood in the Rose Garden of the White House alongside the CEOs of mega-corporations like Walmart, Target, and Walgreens. Together they announced there would be nationwide testing done in the parking lots of the huge retailers

            Those retailers have 35,000 locations, so has of this week there is 5 testing locations in their carparks
            Photo ops for Trump and no action
            https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/31/politics/drive-thru-coronavirus-testing/index.html

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  3. duperez

     /  2nd April 2020

    Trump using the covid crisis for electioneering. It should be unbelievable but isn’t.
    From the beginning.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  2nd April 2020

      Hardly unbelievable when campaign attack ads must be the prime income for much of the media at present, dups.

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  4. Tom Hunter

     /  2nd April 2020

    Amazing how few people here have noted how dismissive of this disease so many of Trump’s Leftist critics were:
    – Mayor of NYC encouraging people to mix and mingle through February to insisting on keeping schools open as recently as mid-March.

    – NYC health commission counciller Tweeting out the whole “come join us for Chinatown celebrations in late Feb.

    – Nancy Pelosi doing the same in SF’s Chinatown.

    – New Orleans mayor pushing ahead with Mardi Gra.

    If you want to point fingers at Trump downplaying this in Jan/Feb, even as he took practical actions like shutting down flights with China, then fair enough catching his statements.

    But don’t take any notice of such criticism from the likes of Pelosi and other Democrats. They were worse.

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    • Art Croft

       /  2nd April 2020

      Links please

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      • Duker

         /  2nd April 2020

        https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/nancy-pelosi-visits-san-franciscos-chinatown/2240247/
        Feb 24 was the visit
        March 19 california lockdown
        marc 13 San Francisco bans gatherings of more than 10 people
        Mar 4 first fatality in california.

        So Pelosi wasnt ignoring any advice 2 weeks before the very first death in california ( Sydney had 2 by then)
        Feb 29 First US fatality ( Washington state)
        “Feb. 26: In a press conference, President Trump said the risk to Americans remains low. “The No. 1 priority from our standpoint is the health and safety of the American people,” he said. He noted that of the original 15 US cases, one remained in hospital and was “pretty sick,” with 14 others either fully recovered or in recovery.
        Trump ‘shut down flights’ on March 12, 3 weeks after Pelosi was in Chinatown

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    • Pink David

       /  2nd April 2020

      “Amazing how few people here have noted how dismissive of this disease so many of Trump’s Leftist critics were:”

      That’s because they don’t really care, it’s all Orange Man Bad. Trump derangement is a far more dangerous virus than C19.

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      • Duker

         /  2nd April 2020

        When we point out his continuous lies and specific crazy statements, you dismiss them as ‘not really means it’
        Thats the battered wife syndrome… he doesnt really mean it when he smacks her around regularly
        He couldnt even read the autocue properly and caused a market meltdown with his mistruths that were then contradicted by his officials.
        The Press conferences where he says stupid things that have the experts rolling their eyes and correcting him when he stops talking.
        Its the worst sort of leadership and we arent talking about what he was saying a month ago its nonsense every week.

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    • Griff.

       /  2nd April 2020

      Oh look whataboutism propaganda from the right wing trump suckers.

      Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent’s position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument. It is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda.

      They get fed the talking points and rabbit them unconcerned with accuracy like good sheepie.
      The time line shows they are taking shite.
      Open by Easter according to Trump only five days ago.
      The only thing that will be open by Easter is morgues and the refrigerated trucks that they will need to take the overflow .

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      • Tom Hunter

         /  2nd April 2020

        And how many times have you face-planted in your predictions of Trump’s demise since 2015 Griff? I lost count at about fifty.

        Big CNN / MSNBC watcher are you? Your comments read like they came straight from Rachael Maddow, along with the whole not learning from my mistakes bit.

        And of course this event is feeding your Apocalyptic bent even more than AGW does.

        Opening by Easter was an aspirational goal that even Trump said at the time might not be possible. And it would be nice if we had some indication of hope here too about re-opening the economy or even some solid proposals as to how we switch things back on. Trump seems just as worried about that as about the virus – unlike you or Saint Jacinda – and for good reason too.

        I realise that your lifestyle means you don’t give a crap about that but if we’re not careful we’re going to effectvely destroy more lives than we save: people will still be breathing but as little more than beggars dependent on the government.

        BTW – Trump continues to rise in the polls and the latest Pew on shows almost 95% agreement on closing borders.

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        • Griff.

           /  2nd April 2020

          ROFL
          How about addressing the point made.
          I know its to hard for your trump deluded mind to cope with .
          And no I don’t need to watch CCN or any other network to know this I just need to follow the pathetic right wing sheepie on here .
          The fact that many on the right are easily lead by propaganda does not take much effort to see though .
          As for Trump worried all he is worried about is his own fortune and how he looks.

          JAN 22
          “We have it totally under control. … It’s going to be just fine.”
          JAN 30
          “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five. And those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for it. So that I can assure you.”
          FEB 24
          “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. … Stock market starting to look very good to me”
          FEB 25
          “You may ask about the coronavirus, which is very well under control in our country. We have very few people with it, and the people that have it are … getting better. They’re all getting better. … As far as what we’re doing with the new virus, I think that we’re doing a great job.”
          FEB 25
          “We have contained this. I won’t say airtight, but pretty close to airtight. We have done a good job in the United States.”
          FEB 28
          “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
          MARCH 2
          “We had a great meeting today with a lot of the great companies and they’re going to have vaccines, I think relatively soon.”
          MARCH 6
          “Anybody that needs a test, gets a test. They’re there. They have the tests. And the tests are beautiful.”
          MARCH 6
          [Holding rallies] “doesn’t bother me at all.”
          MARCH 9
          “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on.”
          MARCH 10
          “And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”
          MARCH 12
          “It’s going to go away. … The United States, because of what I did and what the administration did with China, we have 32 deaths at this point … when you look at the kind of numbers that you’re seeing coming out of other countries, it’s pretty amazing when you think of it.”
          MARCH 17
          “Federal Government is working very well with the Governors and State officials. Good things will happen!”
          MARCH 17
          “I’ve always known this is a real — this is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”
          — Donald Trump

          A comedy of errors in Trumps mishandling of this.
          215,003 cases 1,049 deaths a day now.
          It will be about 28,800 deaths a day in just over two weeks.
          Trump has no idea and you poor suckers believe anything fed to you.

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          • Tom Hunter

             /  2nd April 2020

            ROFL

            Weren’t you just teasing me below about how “you got them from some bullshite right wing site”

            And now here you are, courtesy of a cut’n’paste I’ve seen used as a “comment”
            dozens of times over the last few days.

            Bottom line: Trump communicates in weird ways that seem to work with many ordinary people. Hence his 2016 wins and his rising popularity. Nobody wants a constantly negative, fearful leader.

            Deal with it.

            Oh and as the Worldometer Cronavirus website shows, the USA is doing a damned site better in case and deaths per head of population than places you worship like France, despite having a first case detection before them:

            USA – Jan 20
            France – Jan 23
            Italy – Jan 29

            You were talking about exponential growth again, without thinking about any of the other factors involved. As usual you never see the big picture and as a result you’re always screaming doom.

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            • Duker

               /  2nd April 2020

              “Hence his 2016 wins and his rising popularity. ”
              Arden will go up…Boris has gone up…. trouble is they were already in net positive popularity . Trump wasnt .
              With that sort of economy during say December Trump should have 65% + , instead he was around 45%
              Why not ?
              Some November the millions people out of work will blame Trump, ist the way it is

            • Griff.

               /  2nd April 2020

              WTF
              France
              logic fail is called a straw man.
              I have never mentioned France in reference to covid 19 and have very little interest in the country at all in any way.

              Still have not addressed the point yet have you Tom
              Trump has not done anything constructive to combat this crisis and was down playing it up to five days ago .
              The time lime for his actions exposes the whataboutism of the propaganda you are repeating that fails to hold up to scrutiny.

              Poor cult member is a brain washed sheepie .

  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  2nd April 2020

    Blinding flash of Lefty MSM hypocrisy: after weeks of putting Trump down for suggesting anti-malaria drug might work, they report that it does without any reference whatsoever to his prediction they have been roundly condemning.

    People aren’t stupid and that is the kind of crap that will see Trump reelected.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  2nd April 2020

      And Australia is fast on the uptake:
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12321856

      Meanwhile I listened to a few minutes of blather from Customs Officials at the special select committee and it was just an exercise in buck passing and management-speak. Don’t worry, for every problem there is a committee.

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    • Duker

       /  2nd April 2020

      Trump has lied about his previous comments , pretending he didnt say things he did say. Sure not every one is been perfect foresight too but to now lie about what you said to pretend you did have that foresight ?

      As for the anti-malarial
      “Trump’s over-the-top optimism has been tamped down by the medical professionals on the White House task force handling the pandemic. Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top public health official on infectious diseases, said the proof is only anecdotal. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar was similarly careful with his language on Monday, and referred to the drugs as “potential Covid-19 treatments.”
      Trump has repeatedly touted the drugs in recent weeks, even though there haven’t been any clinical trials in humans proving that they work for coronavirus”

      So they are now being used in trials, a small study …. doesnt mean they work at all…thats what more research means. You understand what ‘more research means’… its not conclusive enough

      Then there was his comments about South Korea ..total nonsense yet he made out ‘no one knows more about South Korea’ … and then makes easily disproved errors. Anyone can flub a number but what Presidents exaggerate their usually limited knowledge of other countries.

      I well remember Clinton ( the master communicator) being asked about NZs nuclear free stance, and he smiled and said ‘I will get into big trouble if I try to answer that’ . he understood enough to avoid a direct answer he didnt really know all the ramifications

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  2nd April 2020

        Further trials will nail down dosage and applicability. Meanwhile lives will be saved as the Australians recognise.

        And none of that excuses this media hypocrisy.

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  6. Tom Hunter

     /  2nd April 2020

    Art Croft / 2nd April 2020
    Links please

    Oh? Don’t believe me eh.

    De Blasio tweet, March 25

    Pelosi tours Chinatown saying “Come Join Us” – on Feb 24

    The NYC City Health Commissioner on Feb 10 FFS

    Today our city is celebrating the #LunarNewYear parade in Chinatown, a beautiful cultural tradition with a rich history in our city. I want to remind everyone to enjoy the parade and not change any plans due to misinformation spreading about #coronavirus.

    And that last one followed a Tweet from Feb 9 by the Councillor Head of the NYC Health Commission – Mark D Levine – also encouraging people to attend the Chinese New Year in powerful show of defiance of #coronavirus scare

    Not to mention the idiot mayor of Florence encouraging Italian locals to hug a Chinese tourist today, because showing that Florencians were not racist was the most important thing.

    I can’t be bothered tracking down the others and linking them here. It really would only take a little effort on your part to find these, but I guess just watching CNN and implying that I’m a liar is even easier.

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    • Pink David

       /  2nd April 2020

      “Don’t believe me eh.”

      It;s not that they don’t believe you, they just don’t want to hear.

      Reply
    • Duker

       /  2nd April 2020

      I pointed out Pelosi was saying about Chinatown which was 2 weeks before 1st death California
      And Trump shut down the flights 3 weeks after Pelosi was in Chinatown.

      No one is claiming perfect foresight …except Trump is now lying about what he did say back in February. if you are going to lie about what you did say then he deserves all head kicking he gets
      “‘Nobody knew there would be a pandemic or epidemic of this proportion’ ..
      “In February, Trump said the virus could “maybe go away. We’ll see what happens. Nobody really knows.” He predicted it is “going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle – it will disappear.”

      Which later became
      “I’ve always known this is a real – this is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic. I’ve always viewed it as very serious’

      The comparison should be over what he said before and what he said later .. when he claims foresight he never had

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  7. Griff.

     /  2nd April 2020

    Time line mate.
    Or do you not understand why that counts?
    Trump MARCH 6
    [Holding rallies] “doesn’t bother me at all.”
    You always have been a Sucker .
    You did not track these down you got them from some bullshite right wing site pushing wahtaboutism to make the Great Orange Twit look better in the eyes of his Cult.

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    • Tom Hunter

       /  2nd April 2020

      You always have been a Sucker .

      Ha ha. Want me to link to what you said on Kiwiblog the day after he was elected?

      Jesus, the old time Fire-And-Brimstone preachers had nothing on you.

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