Open Forum – Thursday 9 April

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  1. Blazer

     /  9th April 2020

    Fiscal discipline.
    I guess a lot of people will have a different understanding of money and its origins ,after this crisis.
    Govts routinely offer up the ‘there’s no more money ‘as a reason for denying sector pay rises-teachers,nurses,beneficiaries etc,and not funding infrastructure projects because of budgetry constraints.

    Yet today, lo and behold ,billions is available to breath life into the ailing Rockstar economy and provide liquidity to the champions of free enterprise and market efficiency.

    The almost indecent haste that large corporations put their hands up to ‘spend other peoples money’….suggests just how fragile and unsustainable ,many ostensibly sound businesses are.

    The ramifications of ‘business confidence’ will be the demise of many enterprises based on want rather than need, as the domino effect of unemployment hits home.

    The rumour that executives are paid ‘the going rate for talent’,has been exposed as a farce.
    Look at the track record of Fletchers and Fonterra,two giant near monopolies ,prior to this situation ,if there was ever any doubt.

    Capitalism… its ‘awesome ,all right!

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    • David

       /  9th April 2020

      Its the states inability to have a proper system in place to be able to manage a viral outbreak that has collapsed the economy, they cant even run the health system properly so we all have to stay at home to hide their short comings.
      This one is not on capitalism this is a state diktat and the only part of this lockdown that is working efficiently are capitalistic supermarkets and their supply chains, the state cant even distribute flu vaccines to the right place on time but a supermarket remains largely fully stocked during a lockdown.

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      • Blazer

         /  9th April 2020

        ‘ is working efficiently are capitalistic supermarkets and their supply chains, ‘
        it was good to see Foodstuffs withdraw their application for wage subsidies,when it was made…public.

        ‘the state cant even distribute flu vaccines to the right place on time ‘…does the state have its own distribution network David?

        You can try and cherry pick your way to justify your beliefs,but you can not ignore reality….Globalisation and neo liberal Capitalism is collapsing.

        It has always been a construct ,a delusion lapped up those incapable of objective,critique.

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    • Corky

       /  9th April 2020

      You have consistently told about the evils of Capitalism. But like Parti your alternatives seem to have an ethereal quality. Any chance of a concrete alternatives.?

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      • Blazer

         /  9th April 2020

        We are all Socialists now.
        Norway is a good example of a prosperous socialist state.

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        • Corky

           /  9th April 2020

          ”We are all Socialists now.”

          I can’t help that.. I can tell you there would be NO,’forced’ handouts.under a Libertarian government..And no phony crony capitalism.. .

          ”Norway is a good example of a prosperous socialist state.”

          No. Norway is a great example of a capitalist state if we look at how they derive their economic grunt. But even then they have poor infrastructure and put social spending ahead of their markets. Great for world rankings. Not so good if things go really pear shape.

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          • Blazer

             /  9th April 2020

            too funny…so Libertarianism is the ideal,not Capitalism now! 🙂

            As for ‘. Not so good if things go really pear shape.’…check out Norways Stae Investment Fund.

            Like the Cullen fund which has saved NZ’s arse,it is despised by rightwing phoney Capitalists.

            Btw,I am up for a debate on your love for Ayn Rand and her guiding principles’.

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            • Corky

               /  9th April 2020

              ”Too funny…so Libertarianism is the ideal,not Capitalism now! 🙂”

              No, I was speaking literally. What would have been happening now under a Libertarian government. Of course voluntary cooperation between businesses would be a must. I thought you would be happy given your money wouldn’t be used to prop up others.

              ”Btw,I am up for a debate on your love for Ayn Rand and her guiding principles’.”

              You have a short memory. We thrashed this out a while back. Your last line of defence was that she accepted welfare during her last days. I disproved that at the time.

              Your problem with Libertarianism is you think adherents like me believe it’s a perfect system with no flaws. That’s not true. We just think, all up, it trumps what is on offer at the moment. To be philosophically consistent demands some people fall by the way side( as they do now), and that supposed economic sense is bypassed ( eg bailing out Air NZ)

        • David

           /  9th April 2020

          Norway is capitalist what are you talking about,

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          • Blazer

             /  9th April 2020

            Is China Capitalist too?
            Hope you’re not being selective David.

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          • Corky

             /  9th April 2020

            Bad coffee I’m afraid, Dave. I didn’t have a choice.

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        • Pink David

           /  9th April 2020

          “Norway is a good example of a prosperous socialist state.”

          Norway is not socialist.

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  2. David

     /  9th April 2020

    Bernie Sanders is out leaving the field clear for a man in clear mental decline to be the nominee, its almost cruel. This is going to be ugly.

    https://nypost.com/2020/03/31/joe-biden-has-yet-another-gaffe-filled-media-appearance/

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    • Gezza

       /  9th April 2020

      PG has done a post on Sanders dropping out.

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    • duperez

       /  9th April 2020

      I don’t know about Biden but rubbishing him as being ‘in clear mental decline’? And that it’s almost cruel?

      Surely the only cause for concern about Biden’s mental state should be about the length of time it’s going to take before it gets to the level of Trump’s mental state.

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  3. lurcher1948

     /  9th April 2020

    The voice of negativity,the voice of ACT and new conservatives, the local representative of fox news,Radio Magic Peter Williams got slapped around the head by an angry listener for his daily gloom and doom broadcasts…long may it continue

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    • Corky

       /  9th April 2020

      And long may you continue listening, Lurchy. It’s satisfying to know you now realise to receive the RIGHT news, you must listen to the RIGHT news source.

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  9th April 2020

    Has anyone noticed, that all the angry rightwing ranters on radio talkback sound like old white males, the older sounding the angrier the rant

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    • Pink David

       /  9th April 2020

      I can’t say I have. You and Griff are the only angry old white males I know.

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    • duperez

       /  9th April 2020

      I heard an angry ranter on radio talkback a couple of mornings back. He was a male.
      I don’t know if he’s a rightwing old white male. I don’t know how old he is in terms of ‘the older sounding the angrier’ but he sure had the rant part angrier than what I’d call just normal angry. His name is Bruce Russell.😡

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      • Corky

         /  9th April 2020

        Bwucie is a proven talkback performer. Gone a little off the boil lately. But let’s hope happy days are around the corner for him and us.

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  9th April 2020

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  6. Gezza

     /  9th April 2020

    My 9 year old wonderful green Macpac polar fleece jacket & I are happy to announce the arrival of our brand new blue Macpac polar fleece jacket, by PBS courier, dropped off in the letter box.

    A longer than normal labour has finally seen it welcomed into our home where – because I have now secured some elbow patches that will further extend the useful life of my original Op Shop green one – we hope to have a long & happy association, without Covid-19.

    Thank you
    That is all
    🐧 Sir Gerald 🐧

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  9th April 2020

      Happy days, Sir Gerald.

      This morning I took a dead laptop mouse out of my “I’ll look at this some day” pile and pulled it to bits, cut the cable in half to find the break, soldered it back onto the board and it’s working perfectly now. I don’t even remember where it came from.

      This afternoon Mrs Al who thought she was on a roll after beating me at scrabble yesterday challenged me to Rummy and I’m pleased to say that honour was restored.

      All the best to your pukes

      Sir Alan

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      • I performed surgery on a mouse that I liked very much because it was so small and prolonged its life for some time, but the poor thing died a week or so ago and couldn’t be revived.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  9th April 2020

          Micro surgery indeed. The wires are microscopic but having used my sharpest smallest knife to separate them I eventually found by failed experiment that you can solder them directly through the cover material they have on them. There have to be tricks to these trades.

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      • Gezza

         /  9th April 2020

        Mrs Al probably won’t fall into that trap again, Sir Alan.

        Because of the lockdown, Wellington’s Mayor advised, staff at the recycling sorting depots would be unable to come in to work, so the fortnightly kerbside recycling collection was suspended until further notice.

        We were told that, if we are unable to find somewhere to store our recyclable paper, plastic & cans, we should hold off putting out the wheelie bins & instead put our recycling waste into the official yellow WCC trash bags.

        These are being kerbside-collected weekly as usual throughout the stage 4 national self-isolation period.

        I usually only need to put my recycling wheelie bin once every 4 to 6 weeks, but it was half full when the lockdown came into effect & it is now chocker.

        Yesterday was rubbish collection day, so I decided to empty a 3rd of the recycling bin & add it to my rubbish (which also only usually needs to go out every 4 weeks.

        I know this was perfectly acceptable, & that doing so in this time of national crisis what crisis, I have the Mayor’s blessing, but my word, Sir Alan, did I feel evil ! 👿

        🐧 Sir Gerald 🐧

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  9th April 2020

          Up here the likes of Jenny Shipley and myself are still taking all our sorted recyclables to our Russell tip/transfer station separated by plastic types(4), cans types(2), bottles colours(3) and paper vs cardboard. We feel very virtuous compared with your city environmental loud mouths – as usual.

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          • Gezza

             /  9th April 2020

            I say, that’s a bit on the nose, Sir Alan !

            I’ve gone off you a bit now.

            Sir Gerald

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  9th April 2020

              Well it takes a lot more work to sort it into separate bins for all the different types, load the ute, take it up to the tip/transfer station and empty my bins into all the different big bins than it does to heave them all into one bin and put it out at the gate as city environmental loud mouths do. Oh, and make our own compost of all food scraps and green waste.

              That’s the difference between living environmentally and talking it. At least Jeanette Fitzsimmons knew that. I’d be surprised if many/even any of the current lot do.

          • Conspiratoor

             /  9th April 2020

            And like the compliant fellow you are Al, you also pay for someone to pick it up at your gate

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            • It’s business as usual for the dustmen here. I put out my green bin of recyclables on Tuesday,

            • Gezza

               /  9th April 2020

              So, c – any update on the Whangas loop family expedition situation ?

              What have the girls in blue been told ?

            • Conspiratoor

               /  9th April 2020

              G, had a short exchange with her last night. Shes off work atm but does not recommend as it’s not classed as going somewhere ‘local’ plus there will be a lot of a people there so more chance of catching covid.

              So being a compliant fellow like my friend al, will suggest to no 1 son he heads to the nearest school. Cheers,c

            • Gezza

               /  9th April 2020

              I feel like you owe me some money, c. 🙂

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  9th April 2020

            No, C, it’s do it myself for me just as always. Over half of it is usually from the guest house.

            Just took the dog for the evening walk and chose a wild beach because this morning the tide was so high it covered our usual track and we had to turn back. It was noticeable there are a heck of a lot of cars here tonight that weren’t here during the week. Both Ngati Pakeha and other iwi. Let’s enjoy lockdown as best we can say I.

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          • Blazer

             /  9th April 2020

            Jenny….!! not Shipley’s believe it or not…has she paid up yet..the shameless,hopeless charlatan.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  9th April 2020

              I think you should treat our neighbours with more respect, B. No doubt the Court of Appeal will eventually consider the case and whoever loses will appeal to the S.C.

            • Blazer

               /  9th April 2020

              good to know where she’s been hiding Al.
              Should be going to …jail.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  9th April 2020

              Not exactly hiding, B. Always flies the flag when in residence.

            • Gezza

               /  9th April 2020

              Which flag, Al – out of interest ?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  9th April 2020

              The good one usually, that decent people like JK and I like.

            • Blazer

               /  10th April 2020

              the apt flag…would be ..the Jolly Roger!..what a Dame…another National disaster.

    • Blazer

       /  10th April 2020

      is it a straight jacket?

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      • Gezza

         /  10th April 2020

        😳
        No, I think gay LGBTIQWXYZ people can buy them as well.

        They’re not just for cisgendered normal people like me. 😐

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  7. The paper that appears to have triggered the Trump administration’s obsession with hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for infection with coronavirus has received a statement of concern from the society that publishes the journal in which the work appeared.

    From the April 3, 2020, notice, from the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents, stating that the March 20 article, “Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of Covid-19: results of an open-label non-randomized clinical trial”

    “does not meet the [International Society of Antimicrobial Chemotherapy’s] expected standard, especially relating to the lack of better explanations of the inclusion criteria and the triage of patients to ensure patient safety.”

    https://www.isac.world/news-and-publications/official-isac-statement

    There’s a long list of serious problems with the study, including questions about:
    – its ethical underpinnings
    – messy confounding variables
    – missing patients
    – rushed and conflicted peer review, and
    – confusing data

    it may be wise to label all this research – preprints, peer-reviewed papers, and pronouncements from Donald Trump – with a black-box warning: “There is a small amount of evidence for this now. It will likely turn out to be at least partially wrong.”

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  9th April 2020

    [Please don’t advocate deliberately spreading the virus, even if a joke.]

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    • Corky

       /  9th April 2020

      Welcome to the real world, Lurchy. Where strong leaders must make hard decisions. Shows you what a weak leader we have. You should be stripped of your scooter and your energy payments. Your house should be nationalised and given to a productive member of society.
      Thank your lucky stars you live in Aotearoa. Give thanks over Easter via the internet to a church service of your choosing. I would suggest Bishop Tamaki. His service has good music and kai. You won’t be able to eat the kai…but you can nominate a food taster who will eat it for you after you have donated.

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  9. Corky

     /  9th April 2020

    I wonder what the price of silver is? I’m also wondering if after Covid-19 a major push towards a cashless society will begin? What about an allocation system of travel destinations people must apply for before travelling overseas? So many different agendas by so many different people. A small window of golden opportunity awaits those who are forward thinkers. One things for sure..governments around the world can’t believe their luck.

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    • Blazer

       /  9th April 2020

      silver $NZ 25.14- oz.
      Cashless society already begun by Aussie Govt cash ban.

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      • Corky

         /  9th April 2020

        I didn’t know that. Although it’s not cash that is banned..just a certain amount. But you are right. Governments start slowly brainwashing the sheep..before leading them to browner pastures.

        I expect silver to become more valuable than gold.

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        • Duker

           /  9th April 2020

          https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/suitcases-of-cash-added-to-the-mountains-of-loo-paper-and-canned-goods-20200409-p54ikg.html

          Over the last decade the amount of cash in circulation has jumped here and Australia, but as the value is all in $100 and $50 notes it isnt being used at the petrol station or dairy.
          Stashed away by the migrant community

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          • Corky

             /  9th April 2020

            ”Stashed away by the migrant community.”

            I never thought of that. I don’t know whether it’s true. But given many immigrant communities have tasted ‘the real world”, they know, as preppers do, that in a crunch….cash is king. When cash becomes worthless, then you need not worrying about anything – you are fugged.

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            • Try using cash in the supermarket at the moment.

            • Corky

               /  9th April 2020

              I use it all the time, as do others. While I would imagine more people are using cards, I still see plenty of cash around. Of course, the demographic a supermarket serves would probably dictate numbers

  10. The House Oversight and Reform Committee has issued an indictment of Trump’s administration (more appropriate to call it non-administration). No wonder he’s trying to get rid of the Inspectors General – out of oversight, out of mind.

    Only 11.7 million N95 respirator masks have been distributed nationwide—less than 1% of the 3.5 billion masks that the Trump Administration estimated would be necessary in the event of a severe pandemic.

    Only 7,920 ventilators have been distributed from the stockpile, even though a recent survey of 213 mayors—which did not include New York City, Chicago, or Seattle—identified a total estimated need of 139,000 ventilators.

    “The President failed to bring in FEMA early on, failed to name a national commander for this crisis, and failed to fully utilize the authorities Congress gave him under the Defense Production Act to procure and manage the distribution of critical supplies.”

    https://oversight.house.gov/news/press-releases/new-document-shows-inadequate-distribution-of-personal-protective-equipment-and

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  11. Corky

     /  9th April 2020

    Just received a parcel from my Iwi providers.

    Items:
    1- One huge industrial roll of toilet paper ( used in public toilets).
    2- Disposable box of gloves.
    3- Plant based dish washing liquid.
    4- ” ” multi purpose cleaner.
    5- Three Tea Tree bars of soap.
    6- Pack of tissues.
    7-Pak’nSav gift card
    8- Rubber gloves.

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    • Gezza

       /  9th April 2020

      I’m surprised they sent you a disposable box of gloves Corks. o_O

      I’d have found a box of disposable gloves more useful I reckon. 😐

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      • Corky

         /  9th April 2020

        Words..who needs them when you know what I mean. I hope not to hear from Kitty. I purposely excluded the gift card amount so as not to be accused of lying. I have enjoyed her paying me no mind.

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  12. lurcher1948

     /  9th April 2020

    NEWS FLASH, a young nubile sexy female,in her own way(her bubble) celebrates lockdown,love the sexy female’ a VAMPIRE or not that could OR wouldntt love you AND REMEMBER THE BUBBLE STAY SAFE

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  9th April 2020

      Harvey’s legacy?

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    • Gezza

       /  9th April 2020

      Just some chick. Ya’d have to behave yaself with this lady, Lurchy. Ike got the flick in the end. She didn’t need him no more.

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  13. duperez

     /  9th April 2020

    The Petersens away from the hurly-burly last week:

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    • Gezza

       /  9th April 2020

      What’s happened to Johnathon Pie these days ?

      Is he self-isolating somewhere or something ?

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    • Gezza

       /  9th April 2020

      Never mind, dupers. I see he’s keeping up the play reasonably well

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