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  1. lurcher1948

     /  13th April 2020

    Worth thinking about

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  2. Gezza

     /  13th April 2020

    The exciting part – who will be first in with a whine on OF today ?

    Will Lurchy manage to get one thru the gate to take the honours ? 😳

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    • Conspiratoor

       /  13th April 2020

      Impossible to predict given the number of frustrated whingers with so much fertile ground to whine about. Stay with the SOH G, it’s needed at this time

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      • Gezza

         /  13th April 2020

        Christ ! Lurchy got one thru the gate. That wasn’t there when I posted.

        Not much of one, admittedly – but still, he took the honours.

        Wish I’d put money on it now. 😎

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        • Conspiratoor

           /  13th April 2020

          Lurch pulled the same stunt on 1 Jan to beat me into second place. Wasn’t there when I posted. I think pg and he are in cahoots

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          • Gezza

             /  13th April 2020

            Poor old Corks. Well thrashed today. Gotta get up bloody early to win 1st spot here.

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          • Gezza

             /  13th April 2020

            PG has the tolerance & patience of a saint. Probably puts the pope to shame. Not many blogs would let Lurchy continue to visit after some of the outrageous rants he posts that never make it thru.

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            • lurcher1948

               /  13th April 2020

              Sorry Gezza i know i rant at times and i appreciate PGs tolerance,but you could say that this blog isn’t an echo chamber, like nearby rightwing blogs, just saying

            • Gezza

               /  13th April 2020

              Exactically, Lurch. The main reason I prefer this blog to all the others. It might not have the high volumes of partisan posters, and we do have a small few crackpots, but this esteemed blog, imo, has a very select & enjoyable clientelle that make it worth a look every day.

              As mods go, PG’s the best. 👍🏼

            • lurcher1948

               /  13th April 2020

              Im upset Gezza, kick me down when i post quicker than you,Are you having a bad day Gezza, do you think you are better than me, i will be sad if PG bans me because of your frame of mind,as i speak the truth(rants)(I KNOW start a petition) and i respected you,just because PG moderated me quicker than your free post, another put down poster ,so unhappy

            • Gezza

               /  13th April 2020

              Fark, Lurch. 😮

              How many have you put away this afternoon ? 🤔

              I hope your good lady is doing the cooking tonite ? 😳

    • lurcher1948

       /  13th April 2020

      Im always a winner,Gezza and remember no one remembers second place

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      • Gezza

         /  13th April 2020

        Who was the most important person at your wedding, Lurchy ?

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        • Conspiratoor

           /  13th April 2020

          When we were wed we agreed she would make the small decisions and I would make the big ones. To date however, we have not made one big decision

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          • Gezza

             /  13th April 2020

            My lamented late wife had an arrangement which seemed to work well.

            I wouldn’t try & run her life
            And I wouldn’t try & run mine.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  13th April 2020

              I run mine, G, but have been accused of being a control freak in consequence.

        • lurcher1948

           /  13th April 2020

          Lets put it this way it wasn’t me Gezza

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  3. lurcher1948

     /  13th April 2020

    Stop whining folks, you are inside the protective bubble provided by PM Jacinda Ardern, no dying en mass as in the USA under tRump…Thanks, PM for our survival, now soon for the restart to be handled with the same excellence

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    • I think that you might be waiting for some time for that to happen, Lurch.

      The reason for our low death rate is because many of the people with it are in the safest age group, it’s comparatively easy to track people and other things that have nothing to do with the PM who’s wrecking the economy with gay abandon.. Businesses can’t keep going indefinitely with no income and the country can’t keep paying 1,000,000 people not to work.

      Something like 1 in 5000 people have the virus; hardly an epidemic and not worth closing hospitals when 15 people are in hospital with it.

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    • Gezza

       /  13th April 2020

      Can’t be that many asylums left to burn, the number of times you’ve said that here.

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      • Gezza

         /  13th April 2020

        And what’s this about?

        God you’re a lazy blighter, Sir Alan. Not even a teaser to show whether it’s even worth clicking on a link to a Herald story.

        Still … hang on. I might have a look anyway.

        Sir Gerald

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  13th April 2020

          You know I only link things worth reading, Sir Gerald, and I never waste your time with videos as some do.

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          • Gezza

             /  13th April 2020

            Poopycock, Sir Alan.

            Very rare for somebody to waste my time with a video link. 💂🏻

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  13th April 2020

              You are lucky, Sir Gerald. Frequently someone tries to waste mine.

    • Gezza

       /  13th April 2020

      Why has seemingly just about every story remotely connected to Covid19 got to have the same tedious embedded video or text about latest numbers repeated a dozen times ?

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      • duperez

         /  13th April 2020

        That’s to do with the addendum to the 10 Commandments isn’t it? The little tablet that Moses left behind in the workshop as he couldn’t manage to hold it with his hands so full.

        11 There will be news
        12 There will be new news all day long
        13. If there is no new news thou shalt reproduce old news.

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        • Duker

           /  13th April 2020

          Thou shall only have 5 types of news and thou shalt make all stories variations of those 5 types but celebrity news shall rule over all.

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  4. Gezza

     /  13th April 2020

    Gotta go check ma’s place & letter box & do a shop @ NW on the way back. Expect there’ll be quite a queue today, dammit.

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    • Gezza

       /  13th April 2020

      As I drove past NW I noticed the queur wasn’t too long, so did a quick U-ey & reversed my priorities. 30 minute wait, chatted away to the pleasant lady behind me, time passed quickly. Zipped around the supermarket, got everything needed, no shortages. Then zipped up to ma’s, all good there. No mail in her letterbox.

      Left home @ 11 am; back home @ 11.45. Breeze.

      Lady I chatted to, like me, is “over” the lockdown & having to queue for grocery shopping.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  13th April 2020

        Sometimes I have to wait for another person at the checkout. The trials of living in a small town.

        There was a road block on the back road for my step daughter coming back from feeding her horses last night. But it wasn’t the local policeman, it was a frog crossing the road. And before that a rabbit. One night it was two moreporks.
        At least they don’t ask you questions.

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        • Gezza

           /  13th April 2020

          My pooks interrogate me up to 3 or 4 times daily. Mostly enquiring if the Manor Café is currently open & is serving any bread chunks.

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      • The grocery queueing is becoming very teejus, especially with the limits that mean that we have to keep going back so often. I pity anyone with children, it’s bad enough for one person.

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  5. David

     /  13th April 2020

    Trump receives rare praise from the California Governor. From The Hill.com

    “The governor and Trump have been frequent sparring partners since the president took office, most recently over California’s handling of wildfires late last year. However, Newsom said the fight against the coronavirus has united them.

    “We’re involved in 68 lawsuits with the Trump administration. I’ve been on your show. I haven’t been timid. He certainly hasn’t been timid. But I got to say this. It’s just a fact. I’d be lying to you. I’d be lying to the American people. Every single direct request that he was capable of meeting, he has met,” Newsom said. “This has been a remarkable moment where at least we have been able to rise above that partisanship.”

    And from New York:
    “His team is on it. They’ve been responsive,” Cuomo said at a press conference. “I want to say thank you.”

    The Democratic governor said that he spoke to Trump on Tuesday and that the president is “100 percent sincere” in his desire to work with the state to control the virus outbreak, which has mushroomed in the U.S. over the past week.

    The administration is “ready and willing to help,” Cuomo said, “especially on the hospital capacity issue.”

    Meanwhile in the Biden camp things take an ugly turn:

    ‘A woman has filed a police report claiming that presidential candidate Joe Biden sexually assaulted her in 1993, according to reports.

    Tara Reade filed a criminal complaint with the Washington Metropolitan Police Department of accusing the 2020 Democratic nomination of pushing her against the wall in a Senate corridor and penetrating her with his fingers, according to Business Insider.

    The alleged incident occurred while Reade was working as a Senate staffer for Biden nearly 30 years ago.”

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  6. Pink David

     /  13th April 2020

    Act have a petition up for MP’s to take a 20% pay cut. I wonder how it will go.

    https://www.act.org.nz/mpsalaries

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    • Blazer

       /  13th April 2020

      should go well…how many M.P’s do they have..again?

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      • Duker

         /  13th April 2020

        The memo never got passed onto Taxpayers Union…but Im sure TU was doing it for ‘research’, you know how government handouts sap the moral fibre/personal initiative …hah

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  7. Pink David

     /  13th April 2020

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  8. Trump has now supported a call to fire Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the federal government’s top infectious disease expert…

    … because Fauci stated the obvious, if the US had done more sooner to stop the spread of Covid-19 they would likely have saved more lives. That probably applies to most countries looking back in hindsight.

    Trump Lashes Out at Fauci Amid Criticism of Slow Virus Response

    Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases since 1984, said Sunday that earlier imposition of such policies would have made a difference.

    “I mean, obviously, you could logically say that if you had a process that was ongoing and you started mitigation earlier, you could have saved lives,” he said on “State of the Union” on CNN. “Obviously, no one is going to deny that. But what goes into those kinds of decisions is complicated. But you’re right. Obviously, if we had, right from the very beginning, shut everything down, it may have been a little bit different. But there was a lot of pushback about shutting things down.”

    Fauci’s comments, and the president’s pushback, come at a critical time as Trump wrestles with how fast to begin reopening the country. Public health experts like Fauci have urged caution about resuming normal life too soon for fear of instigating another wave of illness and death, while the president’s economic advisers and others are anxious to restart businesses at a time when more than 16 million Americans have been put out of work.

    Fauci and the president have publicly disagreed on several issues, including how long it will take to develop a vaccine and the president’s aggressive promotion of the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine, whose effects are unproven against the coronavirus. At a coronavirus task force briefing last week, Trump stopped Fauci from answering a question on the drug.

    Fauci has become a celebrated figure among much of the public, which trusts him far more than Trump, according to polls. A Quinnipiac University survey last week found that 78% of Americans approved of Fauci’s handling of the crisis compared with 46% who approved of the president’s response. That has prompted resentment among other government officials, some of whom have privately criticized Fauci for playing to the media and not always sending consistent messages.

    That’s ironic criticising Fauci for inconsistent messaging. Fauci looks good going public beside Trump every day, but Trump doesn’t like to be upstaged.

    In Trump’s world it’s always some else’s fault when he’s a dick.

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    • Pink David

       /  13th April 2020

      I’ve said this before, Trump was going to regret trusting Fauci.

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      • I don’t think Trump trusts anyone who looks better than him, or who makes him look less than perfect (except himself of course).

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        • Duker

           /  13th April 2020

          Trump is no longer getting any ratings or poll boosts for his daily harangues…some one else is to blame clearly..

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      • Gezza

         /  13th April 2020

        Trump never trusts anybody. It’s only ever a case of how useful are they to him at a given point in time. He doesn’t even trust himself.

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        • duperez

           /  13th April 2020

          He trusts only himself and anyone who believes him implicitly, follows his will and does and says exactly what he wants. A hint about straying from that you’re dead meat.

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          • Gezza

             /  13th April 2020

            Ignoring Giuliani, Pompeo is his most ardernt brown-nosing appointee yet, but I’m wondering how long even he will last.

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            • Gezza

               /  13th April 2020

              Dagnabbit !

              *ardent

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  13th April 2020

              Geez Gezza. Our media’s stacked with Ardernt supporters. Surely Trump hasn’t got some too?

    • Duker

       /  13th April 2020

      Trumps caught out on that one . The advisers came to a consensus about shutting down
      China /overseas? travel and were ready to get Trumps decision but he was in India.

      One official came out publicly ‘too early’ with the advice to Trump and the stock market tanked , and Trump took fright and blasted the ‘officials’ and it took another few weeks before he would act.

      “Dr. Kadlec’s group wanted to meet with the president right away, but Mr. Trump was on a trip to India, so they agreed to make the case to him in person as soon as he returned two days later. If they could convince him of the need to shift strategy, they could immediately begin a national education campaign aimed at preparing the public for the new reality.

      A memo dated Feb. 14, prepared in coordination with the National Security Council and titled “U.S. Government Response to the 2019 Novel Coronavirus,” documented what more drastic measures would look like, including: “significantly limiting public gatherings and cancellation of almost all sporting events, performances, and public and private meetings that cannot be convened by phone. Consider school closures. Widespread ‘stay at home’ directives from public and private organizations with nearly 100% telework for some.”
      ;;;;;;;;;
      “Mr. Trump was walking up the steps of Air Force One to head home from India on Feb. 25 when Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, publicly issued the blunt warning they had all agreed was necessary.

      But Dr. Messonnier had jumped the gun. They had not told the president yet, much less gotten his consent.

      On the 18-hour plane ride home, Mr. Trump fumed as he watched the stock market crash after Dr. Messonnier’s comments”

      “It would be more than three weeks before Mr. Trump would announce serious social distancing efforts, a lost period during which the spread of the virus accelerated rapidly.
      Over nearly three weeks from Feb. 26 to March 16, the number of confirmed coronavirus cases in the United States grew from 15 to 4,226.

      While this is true , the decentralised US system still allows individual states to take their own actions closing schools and workplaces . Indeed a place like Texas has left it up to individual counties/cities. So you have stricter lockdowns in a metropolis like Houston than smaller cities or rural counties

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  9. duperez

     /  13th April 2020

    Amazing Grace after 24 minutes.

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  10. lurcher1948

     /  13th April 2020

    I can understand your dislike of me GEZZA its your life so lets not fiuck around,enjoy

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  11. lurcher1949

     /  13th April 2020

    Hell Gezza after our exchange of words today(i respect you),enjoy beauty in life, and DANCE

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  13th April 2020

      Took Gemma low tide rock-hopping out to the NW point of Russell Bay tonight. This is looking back to the south end of town.

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      • Blazer

         /  13th April 2020

        I like your photos Al.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  13th April 2020

          It’s a beautiful place for nature and sea. Someone was welding on the big three-master on the right. I caught the flare on our way back.

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  12. Alan Wilkinson

     /  13th April 2020

    As promised, Bob Jones excoriates the Government’s disastrous police state virus response, forecasts a deep depression with huge job losses and Labour to lose the election and the Greens from Parliament:
    https://nopunchespulled.com/2020/04/13/the-coming-economic-crisis-and-its-political-consequences/comment-page-1/

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    • duperez

       /  13th April 2020

      Bob Jones claimed in court not so long back that he was caned every day he went to school. Should what he says about anything be seen through that glass?

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  13th April 2020

        No. Why on earth should it? If you think something he wrote is wrong come right out and say so – and what and why?

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        • Blazer

           /  14th April 2020

          Jones is invariably WRONG,and will be again.Yesterdays man who makes so many ‘forecasts’ every once in a while he …flukes one.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  14th April 2020

            Sure, B. He’s been wrong so often he’s rich. Tell us exactly what he wrote that is wrong this time?

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            • Blazer

               /  14th April 2020

              on the other thread.
              I can list many people who are extremely rich…it is not an indication of intelligence,or industry.

        • Conspiratoor

           /  14th April 2020

          For starters this is blatant nonsense…

          “The ….house sales business is in big trouble”

          In Bob’s view of the world perhaps. Except he’s overlooked an inconvenient truth. Consumption driven growth in recent years has been fueled by largely unconstrained immigration – result 10,000 chnese chefs, 10 plumbers. Post Covid our gutless pollies will succumb to demand to loosen the reins even further.

          These folks gotta have a roof over their heads, cars to drive, roads to drive on, somewhere to put their waste etc etc

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        • duperez

           /  14th April 2020

          I saw him behaving as someone who had ‘lost it.’ It was a picture of decline. It was sad actually.
          Amongst it was a claim about the past. I don’t think it was bravado, or a la Trump, just illogical stuff being put out as fact, as being reasonable and to be accepted by the world audience.
          Maybe he hadn’t taken necessary medication. Whatever, the clarity which may been a key characteristic looked gone.
          It’s valid to consider his views in that light

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          • Gezza

             /  14th April 2020

            Well he might’ve taken his medication now when he wrote that opinion piece so it’s best to consider it in the light of what he wrote.

            I’m not a great Bob Jones fan, I’ve found him blunt, gratuitously pugnacious, a bullying sod with an arrogant attitude, but I do love that the hypocritical bugger accepted a knighthood some people would just love to take off him, but they won’t be able to because he’s too clever by half.

            Nevertheless, some of his opinions are worth reading & thinking about. What has he written that you disagree with, dupers, and why?

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            • Blazer

               /  14th April 2020

              ‘some people would just love to take off him, but they won’t be able to because he’s too clever by half.’

              when and why did you form this opinion?

            • Gezza

               /  14th April 2020

              Pull your head in. Nosey, demanding bugger. (No offence).

    • Gezza

       /  13th April 2020

      That’s a very diplomatic, tactful & well argued opinion piece from Sir Bob.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  13th April 2020

        He’s right on the button: ridiculous rules, horrendous wealth and job destruction, useless and clueless media. We will get rid of this Government but the cost will be horrific.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  13th April 2020

      Coombs has been remanded in custody until his sentencing on May 19.

      Where did you get September and unrepentent?

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      • Gezza

         /  13th April 2020

        Ah … too quick a skim read, September did seem rather a long stretch.

        Unrepretent I got from his remarks to reporters post his court appearance for his stupidity in coughing at people.

        He seemed like a completely self-absorbed twerp.

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