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  1. David

     /  14th April 2020

    Finally, sane jounalisming:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120984583/coronavirus-lockdown-rules-should-be-relaxed-health-experts-say

    No need for a plan, no need for coloured charts, no need for press conferences just open up and if you still think the health system wont cope or your contact tracing wont then what the hell have you been doing for the last 6 weeks. 1.5 billion dollars a week in costs not to mention the loss of income, the destruction of wealth, the domestic violence..costs are too high for 500 odd active cases.

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    • Blazer

       /  14th April 2020

      I’d give him a B.
      States some obvious conclusions re the economy, that would occur without the virus but are escalated by it.
      His observations of aging populations and social demographics are not supported by facts.
      His political leanings have always been to the right,and he’s kidding no one by claiming to be a discerning,non partisan voter.
      Pops in the usual bragging, which only serves to emphasise his ivory tower attitude.
      The fawning comments from his fan base are amusing…’Sir Robert’….!
      Jones used to rail against ‘token knights’,and then like most shallow hypocrites accepted one.
      The ultimate property ponzi, inflation millionaire with an inflated sense of self importance.
      RJI….one of the biggest insider skims NZ has ever seen imo.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  14th April 2020

        Suck it up, B. He’s right.

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        • Blazer

           /  14th April 2020

          Far right actually.
          He has been the biggest fan of Rogernomics ,ever since the 80’s….enriched him immensely.
          He neglects to mention his allegiance to ACT.

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        • Duker

           /  14th April 2020

          “Suck it up, B. He’s right.”
          Didnt he confess during his time in the witness box that his ‘observations’ were of the light nature and not to be taken seriously ?

          why yes
          “”My article, consistent with the weekly tenor of my page, was a harmless joke based on a fact and, obvious to the meanest intelligence, was not to be taken seriously…”

          Wilco as you often remind us about Trumps comments – Dont take them seriously and yet here you are …..convinced they are the gospel [ The exact opposite to Trump who believes all his rantings to be the work of a genius and smartest of all time]

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  14th April 2020

            If you think Jones is wrong say where and why. Otherwise you are just noise.

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            • says the man who is happy for Americans to die, as long as they have different political views to him.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  14th April 2020

              I could make some exceptions, Ishmael. I’m considering your case.

    • Conspiratoor

       /  14th April 2020

      Can’t let you indulge in nothing more than slavish devotion Al. Jones misses the mark in a number of respects

      For starters this is blatant nonsense…

      “The ….house sales business is in big trouble”

      In Bob’s view of the world perhaps. Except he’s overlooked an inconvenient truth. Consumption driven growth in recent years has been fueled by largely unconstrained immigration – result 10,000 chnese chefs, 10 plumbers. Post Covid our gutless pollies will succumb to demand to loosen the reins even further.

      These folks gotta have a roof over their heads, cars to drive, roads to drive on, somewhere to put their waste etc etc

      Two ways to kick start an economy in free fall…

      1, Inject capital by reducing the threshold for land sales to foreign buyers
      2, Stimulate domestic demand by throwing the immigration doors wide open

      Sayonara to NZ as a sovereign country

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  14th April 2020

        Dunno what your point is, C. Have you tried to build anything? Not many immigrants in the bureaucracy that makes it either forbidden or costly.

        Sure we could let them stop building affordable housing but that would mean stopping having children, living longer or living better as well as blocking the immigration that is providing the young workers to support your dotage. Is that what you want?

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        • Blazer

           /  14th April 2020

          ‘affordable housing’!….bad taste joke of the new Millenium.

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        • Conspiratoor

           /  14th April 2020

          You’re simply defecting back onto one of your core grievances Al

          The population expands at three times the organic growth and all these folks need a roof over their heads, whether ‘affordable’ or not

          And I may not bore folks daily with a list of my investments (real or imagined), but you are incorrectly assuming I need someone to support me in my twilight years

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  14th April 2020

            Money doesn’t support you, C. The people you pay with it do.

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            • Conspiratoor

               /  14th April 2020

              You’ve gone sideways again. Stay on track

              Tried getting a tradie lately? Seems they’re all up to their necks in new builds. Remind me again who scrapped apprenticeships. The free market will deliver all the training we need. Tui ad

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  14th April 2020

              Of course the tradies were busy with new builds. Our immigration rules select for wealth and high incomes who don’t need affordability.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  14th April 2020

              …and for skills in chronic shortage. I don’t see chefs, whiteware or computer salesmen on the list

  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  14th April 2020

    Half fatalities are in care homes. We are just starting that. Late to every party:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/13/half-of-coronavirus-deaths-happen-in-care-homes-data-from-eu-suggests

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    • Blazer

       /  14th April 2020

      half the measures to contain C19 are effective,the other half…not so much. 😉

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  14th April 2020

        Exactly. There you, I and Jones agree completely.

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        • Duker

           /  14th April 2020

          Ask Ireland how their measures are going…365 deaths another 31 over yesterday

          They would love our ‘half measures’ and Ireland is amoung the better in Europe

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  3. Blazer

     /  14th April 2020

    the banks said they underwent stress tests that indicated they could cope with a 30% decrease in property values.Musta bin lyin!…..btw…BBB is NON investment grade.
    https://www.interest.co.nz/banking/104463/fitch-downgrades-anz-nz-asb-bnz-and-westpac-nz-credit-ratings-one-notch-alongside

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    • David

       /  14th April 2020

      One notch Blazer, take a cold shower my friend the end is not nigh…not this time but soon.

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    • Duker

       /  14th April 2020

      “International credit ratings agency Fitch has downgraded New Zealand’s big four banks, alongside their Australian parents, by one notch to A+ from AA-.”

      Fitch non investment grade bonds is BB+ as with S&P

      No suprise Blazer doesnt know his investment grades from his elbow
      There is a whole group of BBB ratings above ‘speculative’ or junk ratings

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      • Blazer

         /  14th April 2020

        depends whose doing the ratings.
        After all they’re just..opinions.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  14th April 2020

      Fitch says the downgrades reflect the significant impact government measures to limit the spread of the coronavirus will have on the four banking group’s Australian and New Zealand operations.

      Celebrate, B. Governments are wrecking the economy for you.

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      • Blazer

         /  14th April 2020

        When I would walk through a mall…I used to ask myself…apart from the supermarket which of these other shops are selling anything you…really need!

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  14th April 2020

          Coffee, lunch, shoes, kitchenwares, bedding, plants, hardware, music all have their place, B. Even clothes occasionally.

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          • Blazer

             /  14th April 2020

            ‘, kitchenwares, bedding, plants, hardware, ‘…won’t find many of these in malls.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  14th April 2020

              Briscoes? The Warehouse? But I’m not a mall frequenter so wouldn’t know.

  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  14th April 2020

    Just reread this wonderful lecture from Richard Feynman. It’s a great read for these troubled times with so much drivel from our media.

    http://www.feynman.com/science/what-is-science/

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    • Blazer

       /  14th April 2020

      a bit patronising ,for adults anyway,even in 1966.
      Creationists would condense the whole lecture quick smart.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  14th April 2020

        What utter b.s. even for you, B. There is nothing remotely patronising in illustrating how to think properly about science, knowledge and education.

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        • Blazer

           /  14th April 2020

          the lecture was to science teachers….!

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        • Gezza

           /  14th April 2020

          I’ll have a squiz a wee bit later & let you know what I think, Sir Alan. Feynman is usually impressive. This better be worth a trawl. I’m sure he’s got a video somewhere. Good thing about those is you can listen & do something else at the same time.

          I’m up at sparrow fart before sunup every morning lately. With ma being so ill since January, but now locked down in a nearby Rest Home & Hospital; all visitors verboten, I’ve got a list of months worth of unstarted projects – inside & outside – that I’m trying to work my way thru during this lovely Autumn Indian Summer we’ve been having down in Welly.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  14th April 2020

            Finished my second round of lawns today, Sir Gerald, dripping wet as usual requiring an early bath. At least weren’t as long as the first round. I think you’ll enjoy Feynman. A lovely mind and man.

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          • Gezza

             /  14th April 2020

            Sorry Al, I found that a tortuous ramble that seemed to go on forever. Too tedious a read for me. I skipped to the end from about halfway thru.

            https://m.youtube.com/results?search_query=richard+feynman+what+is+science

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  14th April 2020

              Videos have ruined you, G. It took me à few minutes to read and you’ve wasted hours on them.

            • Gezza

               /  14th April 2020

              Two things, Al

              Pay close attention.

              1. I never waste time on videos. If they are uninteresting I stop early on. If they’re interesting they usually cover a lot more ground & impart more information than some dry old text.

              2, I often don’t watch videos – I listen to them, while doing something else. If you haven’t been able to acquire that skill by now you probably never will.

  5. lurcher1948

     /  14th April 2020

    The face of the right Peter Willians has said money is more important than humans on his show this morning,He and chuck bird were lamenting the fact that PM Jacinda Ardern appears on TV getting face time and not Simon Bridges.

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    • Corky

       /  14th April 2020

      Don’t tell porkies, Lurchy. He didn’t say that. You need to provide the context and apologise.

      Peter has asked Mallard for the Emergency responses committee, or whatever it’s called, to be made easily accessible to the public and screened in its entirety , and not just political junkies. Of course Mallard had a variety of excuses.

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      • Duker

         /  14th April 2020

        Isnt that the case ..screened in its entirety… Freeview channel 31
        Its that too hard to find out and the only ones interested ARE political junkies

        Usual inane talkback from that Magic station …its demise cant be far off surely

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        • Corky

           /  14th April 2020

          That was mentioned by Williams. I assume his point was making it more accessible to morons who don’t know what Freeview is. I don’t know. I didn’t hear all of his korero.

          ”Usual inane talkback from that Magic station …its demise cant be far off surel”

          Honestly, you should not wish for that, for the simple sake of democracy. It’s good YOU don’t listen. NSR would be a better fit for your ideology. But near half a million listen to ZB the last time I looked.That’s a lot of people who wouldn’t be able to express the RIGHT opinion.

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          • Gezza

             /  14th April 2020

            Must admit, talkback radio is usually more interesting than National Radio. Occasionally NatRad have some interesting guests, but it’s a luck of the draw sort of thing. One might just happen to catch somebody who’s listenable on actopic that’s interesting. But god – book reviews?

            It all seems somehow quaintly well out of date & most of the day’s listening is batshit boring.

            Jessie Mulligan in the afternoons is tiresome in the extreme. Who would listen to that prat? I don’t think he even listens to himself. If he did, he’d pack it in !

            The downside to listening to talkback radio is you get some RIGHT nutters. Mind you, they can also be very comedic – without even knowing how hilarious they are. You do get some meaty stuff on occasion.

            My late FIL usef to listen to Newstalk ZB, before he totally lost his marbles. If we were working on a project together I used to tell him I dunno how he could listen to that constant stream of whingers & whiners, most of who would ring up to tell the host & listeners what a disaster the government of the day was, without ending up so depressed he’d want to top himself.

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  6. David

     /  14th April 2020

    Awesome demonstration from Hone who has set up a border in Northland to stop unnecessary travel just did an unnecessary 600km round trip. Why is this guy not still in parliament alongside David Clark, its a damn mystery.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120998428/coronavirus-hone-harawira-says-600km-trip-meal-with-family-in-auckland-was-safe

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  14th April 2020

    Some here should ponder this and wonder their personal adulation

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    • Few people, if any, are actually stupid enough to take Trump at his word. The ugly truth is that Trump supporters are playing along with all of his obvious lies because they can’t accept the alternative, which is to admit they were wrong to support him in the first place.

      That task, of admitting they were wrong, is even harder for Trump supporters because it also requires them to admit the possibility that liberals were right.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  14th April 2020

        Wrong, Ishmael. Trump supporters look at what he has done and are pretty happy. They don’t care about him slagging off the media and Democrats.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  14th April 2020

      Excellent Lurch. Brings to mind Twyford, Clark, Davis, Shaw, …

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      • I wasn’t very popular at The Standard when I suggested this might apply also to Clark.

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        • lurcher1948

           /  14th April 2020

          Good retort Alan but they dont spray ORANGE shit all over their faces and bankrupt casinos like [deleted]…when [deleted] speaks its a lie

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  14th April 2020

            Perhaps if they did people would care about them, Lurch?

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    • Corky

       /  14th April 2020

      So, ole Sleepy Joe was cruzin in the back country when he came across a rarity, a sheep farm with the farmer rounding up sheep in the front paddock. Joe stops and sez to the farmer: ”Don’t see many of them critters here in our United States Of A-merica.

      Mr farmer, I’ma pretty good with figures. If I can correctly give you the number of animals this here flock, can I take one animal?” “Sure,” said the farmer. ”You gots 530 animals,” said Joe.

      ”Fuck me!!, spot on. Take your animal,” said the farmer. As Joe was loading the animal into his pickup, the farmer said to Joe: ” Joe, if I can correctly predict what political party you belong to…can I have my dog back?”

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      • Gezza

         /  14th April 2020

        Not bad, Corks. For you. 🙂

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        • For anyone else it would be….well, never mind.

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        • Conspiratoor

           /  14th April 2020

          Come on G, be honest. Good fodder for vacuous pedants but as yarn spinners go hes the best we’ve got

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        • Corky

           /  14th April 2020

          Such would be beyond Kitty. You could try yourself, too. I will mark both of you out of ten. I’m looking for originality.😁

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          • Gezza

             /  14th April 2020

            Hmm.I dunno. Your sense of humour occupies a rather narrow band range I reckon. Narrower than mine.

            What would you like the joke to be about?

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            • Corky

               /  14th April 2020

              Surprise me.

            • Gezza

               /  14th April 2020

              That answer is incorrect. Sorry Corks. You can’t be on the judge’s panel.
              Thank you for your expeession of interest though.

          • Conspiratoor

             /  14th April 2020

            How about you put up an original one first corks. Your one one was older than lurches chompers. Just a variation on an old theme…

            How many sheep?
            A blonde woman is tired of people assuming she’s stupid and dyes her hair red. Feeling empowered, she goes for a car ride down a country road. Soon she sees a farm with hundreds of sheep. She walks up to the owner of the farm and makes this proposal: “These sheep are adorable, if I guess how many there are, can I keep one?” The farmer agrees, surely out of all the sheep this woman can’t guess the number exactly. She looks around and replies “There are 593 sheep” The farmer is awe-struck, the number was exactly right. So the woman picks her sheep and is getting back in the car when the farmer runs up to her and yells “WAIT! If I can guess your natural color can I have him back?” The woman smiles and agrees, she already proved she’s too smart to be called a blonde. The farmer replies “you’re a blonde, now can I have my dog back?”

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            • Corky

               /  14th April 2020

              Not bad, Con. But I’m looking for originality. That’s the original.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  14th April 2020

              Will you take a tune instead?

            • Corky

               /  14th April 2020

              Try the one about the man feeding the monkey peaches at the zoo. That’s a classic.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  14th April 2020

              Nah, something tells me you’d enjoy this one more

            • Corky

               /  14th April 2020

              The guy is a roid freak. Notice the roid bloated muscles? And the words…like the ripping sound a MG 42 machine gun made.
              Thanks, but no thanks. Those type of guys get you killed by association.

  8. March 13:
    “I don’t take responsibility at all”

    April 13:
    “When somebody’s president of the United States, the authority is total, and that’s the way it’s gotta be.”

    Authority without responsibility is tyranny ~ Peter Drucker

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  14th April 2020

      Separation of powers in the US inevitably means only partial authority and responsibility.

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  9. lurcher1948

     /  14th April 2020

    Im confused, the rightwing here say PM Jacinda Ardern,The SLG should step aside and let national financial team take over as they have the talent but the minister is Paul Goldsmith (politician)a book writer with less budgeting skills than my wife and yes Mr Goldsmith i printed hollow man,a beautifully printed book

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    • Corky

       /  14th April 2020

      The Hollow Men was a great book. Very sturdy. It kept my dogs kennel level for two years before falling victim to the elements. Good work, son.😂

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    • Who’s going to watch it with HIM presenting it ? He’s a has-been, long past his best by date, fish and chip paper…

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    • Corky

       /  14th April 2020

      The RIGHT man for the job. Better Paul then some gormless wonder like Jack Tame or Paddy Gower. Besides, a Mustang isn’t a cheap car to maintain. Then you have the boat…

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  14th April 2020

        Agreed. Smart move. Snowflake co-presenters be afraid, be very afraid

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        • Didn’t he wreck a channel in Australia ?

          Three must be desperate if they’ve dug that old fossil up.

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        • Corky

           /  14th April 2020

          No, he didn’t wreck a channel in Aussie. They wrecked him when he suggested what should be done to improve his poor ratings.

          The good thing is we still have free choice. A bit of NSR..and meditating on ”Meditations by Marcus Aurelius should see you right.

          Besides, I don’t think Paul would give a stuff if no one watched his show. As long as the $100,000 was going into his bank account per episode; he would be happy.

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          • That egomaniac would certainly care if no one watched him.

            There was a reason for his poor ratings; himself. If he was any good, people would watch him.

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            • Gezza

               /  14th April 2020

              Uncanny. The other night I did a bit of a double take & thought of him when someone being interviewed on Aljazeera in India had the surname Dikshit ! 😀

            • Corky

               /  14th April 2020

              Wouldn’t surprise me if Paul had either Indian or Spanish blood. He is dark for a Pom.

  11. Reply
    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  14th April 2020

      Biden’s selling point seems to be he is too stupid to be as bad as Sanders.

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      • MaureenW

         /  14th April 2020

        The pair of them are pitiful. Biden’s lost whatever marbles he had, Sanders continues to be a shill for the loopy left and a sellout politically.

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        • Corky

           /  14th April 2020

          I doubt these two could be elected to the Harper Valley P.T.A.

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        • Conspiratoor

           /  14th April 2020

          Since when has a brain full of marbles been a prerequisite Maureen? The greatest president of the late 20th century was on that slippery slope well before he left office. But by god he could still deliver a line when it counted

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          • MaureenW

             /  14th April 2020

            … before he left office.

            Have you listened to any of Biden’s meanderings? He can barely hold a thought together to even form into a sentence. He had a newly laid sexual assault claim laid against him and there is a current movement to bring back the beast.

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            • Conspiratoor

               /  14th April 2020

              As long as he can stand upright and read a teleprompt he’ll be fine maureen. Actually I rescind the first requirement, the most popular pres of all time got around in a wheelchair

              Btw how long are you going to keep us in suspense?

            • MaureenW

               /  14th April 2020

              I’m not Nostradamus, but to me it’s clear the Democrats won’t be hanging their hats on him to bring them through. You’ll have to wait until August I believe .. and if Biden’s still standing, you’ll be able to tell me “told you so”.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  14th April 2020

              Do you think heavy medication could bring hillers back into the pig pen?

            • Gezza

               /  14th April 2020

              She’d have to be on blimmin LSD or mescalin to think she had more than a snowflake in hell’s chance of being electec POTUS. So would most of the Dems if they even entertained the notion.
              .

            • Gezza

               /  14th April 2020

              FiP ! * elected

            • MaureenW

               /  14th April 2020

              @conspirator
              Yes.
              There’s a couple of others making a few noises as well

    • David

       /  14th April 2020

      And Biden said he is going to provide a path for “citizens to citizenship ” and he had a teleprompter.
      He probably got off and inquired what he was standing for and who was that crazy old fella waving his arms around on the TV.

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  12. lurcher1948

     /  14th April 2020

    So when will magic radio go the same way of the maori party??? no ones hiring,remember ryan bridges

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  13. Gezza

     /  14th April 2020
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    • Gezza

       /  14th April 2020

      Whoops. Wrong place. Hit by the RWW Effect. Should’ve gone up with Biden & Sanders.

      Reply
  14. lurcher1948

     /  14th April 2020

    Cabin fever brings out real nastiness from a failed,disgraced MP
    David Garrett
    Kowtow: Well said…and being fully aware of Godwining… I believe it was Goebbels who said something like if a lie is repeated often enough it becomes truth…or accepted as such…Was that Goebbels or Stalin??
    The tame MSM around the Tooth Fairy is quite sickening…Stuff has a heartening little story about how Cindy’s mummy packed her a lunch this morning – a sandwich and a well past its best banana…to add to the vomit inducing factor, the “journalist” or equally enthralled subbie included a scrawled drawing that is apparently Neve’s rendition of an Easter egg… Much more of this and I’m going to have to take up serious drinking again..

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    Not very classy from a failed drummed out of parliament MP.,Mr Garrett, Jacida Ardern is the PM and you are a failed nothing footnote in history,shes not the toothfairy,cindy,and dont pick on her child,NEVE and have you started drinking again,??? ,i sir probably have a high standing than you in the community since you sir you are a failure,and a cade,
    PS did NZ vote for this level of nastiness in the past,on the right it still exists i suppose.

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    • Corky

       /  14th April 2020

      Very good. Keep us informed, Lurchy. BTW …Simon said he’s in desperate need of a hair cut. He may be RIGHT when I saw him on the news. A couple of facial tats and as leather jacket and he would be ready to join the mob.

      Reply
    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  14th April 2020

      Good to know the loss of the Women’s Weekly hadn’t impacted the intellectual capacity of the nation, Lurch.

      Reply

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