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  1. Patzcuaro

     /  15th April 2020

    Despite Republican voter suppression efforts and an endorsement by Trump Wisconsin voters replace conservative Supreme Court justice with a liberal.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/shock-upset-republicans-wisconsin-primary-election-200414133537039.html

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    • Gezza

       /  15th April 2020

      Don’t tell Sir Alan. He’ll get septic.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  15th April 2020

        Read it yesterday, Sir Gerald, and still feeling hearty. Must be Sir Robert’s contributions warding off the disease.

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  2. David

     /  15th April 2020

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/121006300/coronavirus-government-package-offers-32b-worth-of-tax-and-business-assistance

    Smoke and mirrors from Robertson. The 3.2 billion is basically getting your provisional tax that you have paid back earlier because your forecast profits have changed because of the shutdown, there is not one penny of taxpayer money shelled out on this policy. The man is a damn liar and the media are woeful in letting him away with this.
    Look he doesnt have to support businesses that is fine but dont pretend you are with vast headline grabbing $billions.

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  3. Is it possible for the Trump show to become more bizarre?

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    • Gezza

       /  15th April 2020

      Undoubtedly. No end to bizarreness with the Trump Show, I’m afraid. Imo.

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  15th April 2020

      There are lots of cruise boats that are redundant at present, perhaps rather than casting Trump adrift in a sailing dinghy, the crew of the USA could pop him on one of the cruise liners and then order the boat to sea.

      Given the pariah status of cruise liners at present, he would be condemn to sailing the seas in a vain search for a port to take him.

      To while away the days he could play mini golf, eat cheeseburgers and listen to Fox News.

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    • David

       /  15th April 2020

      What is Trump thinking, this is crazy.

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  4. artcroft

     /  15th April 2020

    FYI: Trump has managed to claim full authority for reopening the nation but deferred accepting any responsibility. The man’s a genius and inspiration to every husband.

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  5. David

     /  15th April 2020

    He is right, we are getting a tiny amount of new cases and we need to get back to work before people start enjoying sitting on the couch and being paid for it.
    The stupid level system she put in place should be ditched. Businesses that can maintain distances regardless of what they do should be allowed to open. If there is an uncontrolled outbreak that overwhelms the hospital system it will just be a reflection on a government that hasnt used this time to better prepare for the part that it is supposed to play rather than just chucking the responsibility onto business.

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    • Blazer

       /  15th April 2020

      So how has business been prepared for this event?
      This is NOT a Black Swan situation and contingencies for disruption in the business cycle are an expectation of competent management.

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      • David

         /  15th April 2020

        Because no business can prepare for something like this, no one is prepared for this not even the health bureaucrats who,s job it is to prepare for these things.
        The governments wage subsidy is the most miserly in the developed world at 80% of the minimum wage leaving the employers to spend collosal amounts to subsidise up to 80% of normal wage then they still have to pay rent, leases, rates etc etc with zero cash coming in.
        How is a hotel in Queenstown to prepare for this ? You cant its a fiscal impossibility in a competitive country like NZ where margins are pretty thin anyway and its the building not the business that has gone up in value.

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        • Blazer

           /  15th April 2020

          So no business can plan for a rainy day…4 fucking weeks!
          Do me a favour David.
          Nice that you admit the real ‘game’,non taxed Capital gains ,fuelled by lax Govts running an ‘open economy’.

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          • Gezza

             /  15th April 2020

            4 fucking weeks ?
            Christ ! Your union must be bloody shit hot !
            We thought ours was doing well to get an extra week’s annual leave.

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        • Griff.

           /  15th April 2020

          The governments wage subsidy is the most miserly in the developed world at 80% of the minimum wage

          When this dribbling gets up ticked you know we have a lot of fantasists on this blog .
          Do tell us what the wage subsidy is in the USA ?
          I will give a hint for our poor fact deprived cohort of loons.
          Two fifths of fuck all .
          No sick pay, No work, No job, fire at will.

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          • Pink David

             /  15th April 2020

            Griff, how many people are dying because they have been cleared out of the hospitals and their surgeries are being delayed? Only 40% of beds in the NHS are occupied, yet thousands have died in the last week not from Covid-19.

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            • I am not doubting your word, but where did you read that ? I’d like to be able to quote it to the people who think that the lockdown is a brilliant solution.

            • Griff.

               /  15th April 2020

              Unless you can link to your numbers I will treat you like I treat the rest of the nutters gibbering.
              rofl look a fantasist living in lala land,
              Waiting for a link to your source son……

            • Pink David

               /  15th April 2020

              Check ONS. It’s not hard, even for you.

              6082 extra deaths week 14
              3475 associated with Covid-19 week 14
              Remainder ‘other causes’.

              Where did the 2500 other deaths come from Griff?

            • Griff.

               /  15th April 2020

              I said link.You cant even do that.
              ROFL.
              Yes I read that days ago even linked to it from the source on here .
              https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26
              Covid 19 is killing far more than just those in the official hospital statistics.
              yet you have claimed even the official statistics are manipulated to make it look worse than it is .
              whacko.

  6. David

     /  15th April 2020

    The 4000 bed temporary hospital in London had just 19 patients through over Easter while the capitals hospitals are only at 80%. And this is the woeful NHS.
    There are just 62 patients in the emergency 500/1000 bed hospital ship in NY.
    The emergency hospital in Washington has been disassembled after not being needed and it didnt treat a single patient.

    The myth that the hospital system gets overwhelmed as a reason to keep us shut down is blown apart. No doubt the virus is vicious but lets not perpetuate this hooey.

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    • Griff.

       /  15th April 2020

      The myth that the hospital system gets overwhelmed as a reason to keep us shut down is blown apart.
      Cause and effect .
      Lock down has had the desired result .They have doubled ICU capacity in England and that increased capacity is only at 80% full.
      You don’t seem to be able to understand the fact that lock down is the only reason this is still within the capacity of the health system to cope.

      Release it too early and you will see cases increase exponentially again.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  15th April 2020

        Hard to distinguish the impact of the components of lockdown to identify those that are effective from those that are merely excessive.

        My expectation is that social distancing, border control, contact tracing and isolation, hand-washing and avoiding shared air is what is required.

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      • Pink David

         /  15th April 2020

        The system is so overwhelmed nurses around the world a singing and dancing.

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        • David

           /  15th April 2020

          Brothers hospital in the North East of England hasnt even filled its existing ICU, they are all a little bored. London is a bit crazy but it always is even in a normal flu season with folk dying in corridors, too many people live there.
          Their numbers are indicating an extra 6000 deaths a week at the moment, 16000 now against the normal 10,000 but a lot of rest home cases.

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  7. duperez

     /  15th April 2020

    What leadership looks like. In South Dakota anyway. Leave up to individuals — not government — to decide whether “to exercise their right to work, to worship and to play. Or to even stay at home.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/south-dakotas-governor-resisted-ordering-people-to-stay-home-now-it-has-one-of-the-nations-largest-coronavirus-hot-spots/2020/04/13/5cff90fe-7daf-11ea-a3ee-13e1ae0a3571_story.html#comments-wrapper

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    • Pink David

       /  15th April 2020

      Smart lady. South Dakota is lucky.

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      • Coronavirus cases skyrocket in South Dakota after governor dismisses quarantine measures

        The number of confirmed cases in the state has risen from 129 to 988 since April 1 — when Gov. Kristi Noem criticized the “draconian measures” of social distancing to stop the spread of the virus in her state.

        The state now calls home to one of the largest single clusters of coronavirus outbreaks, with 300 workers at a ­pork-processing plant infected with the deadly bug, according to the Washington Post.

        The factory, Smithfield Foods, accounts for five percent of the country’s pork production and was announced it will be forced to close on Sunday.

        https://nypost.com/2020/04/14/coronavirus-cases-skyrocket-in-south-dakota/
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/south-dakotas-governor-resisted-ordering-people-to-stay-home-now-it-has-one-of-the-nations-largest-coronavirus-hot-spots/2020/04/13/5cff90fe-7daf-11ea-a3ee-13e1ae0a3571_story.html

        South Dakota has a population of about 900,000, less than that of the South Island. Their death toll is currently 6.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  15th April 2020

          You would think one of the biggest changes to come out of this should be the replacement of circulatory air conditioning systems by those utilising only fresh or highly sanitised air.

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          • Duker

             /  15th April 2020

            or we shut down work places for a short period ?
            I wanted to see if the bedroom AC ( heatpump) when installed could work to have a small amount of fresh air. There is a pipe leading out for condensation drainage and if another small pipe was next to it and the fan blew over the inside opening that would draw air in. Wasnt possible but the remote had a small graphic to indicate a ‘fresh air option’ on some models.
            Its one of my pet interests , better air cond and can never work out why its not more common in Auckland even with the relative low costs. But no , trophy kitchens are king
            Anyway on the hottest/all summer nights Im out like a light at 21C. A doctor I was patient for a while , he comes from south Australia, and I had to suggest – dehumidify is the best for Auckland summer as its not too hot but very sticky.

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          • Pink David

             /  15th April 2020

            The single best treatment for any respiratory illness is being outside.

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  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  15th April 2020

    Sir Robert makes a modest proposal:
    https://nopunchespulled.com/2020/04/15/saving-the-nation/

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  9. Alan Wilkinson

     /  15th April 2020

    Trump cuts WHO funding. Sure to be a Congress backlash on that.

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    • Gezza

       /  15th April 2020

      Did Xi tell him in a beautiful phone call that the SARS-COV2 virus came from the WHO?

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  10. lurcher1948

     /  15th April 2020

    Local media are feeling the pain, like NZME do they really need high end rubbish like Mike Hosking and his hanger-on opps partner what’s her name, checked on google Kate Hawkesby… think there are far better righties out there…when there’s a holiday they disappear, NZME they are ONLY there for the money, about loyalty read their contract

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  11. Blazer

     /  15th April 2020

    WaPo excerpt from Bob Woodwards book on Trump-FEAR..
    ‘As a profile of Trump, the book is devastating. Even the most jaded readers will be struck by numerous examples of his childishness and cruelty. He denounces his generals in such harsh language that his secretary of state cringes. He derides the suit McMaster dons for an interview as something a beer salesman would wear. He greets his national security adviser, whose briefings he finds tedious, by saying, “You again?” He imitates Attorney General Jeff Sessions’s Southern accent and calls him “mentally retarded.” He tells his 79-year-old commerce secretary, Wilbur Ross, that he has “lost it” and not to do any more negotiating.

    Cohn, who comes as close as anyone in the book to being a principled character, is alarmed that Trump doesn’t understand the rudiments of the economy. The president thinks it’s inspired to call his tax cut measure, the only substantial legislation passed in his first year in office, the “Cut, Cut, Cut Bill.” In childish scrawl on his edit of a speech, and reprinted in his hand in the book, the president writes, “Trade is bad.” As Woodward explains it, “The president clung to an outdated view of America — locomotives, factories with huge smokestacks, workers busy on assembly lines.” When Cohn presses Trump on why he clings to such beliefs, the president simply responds: “I just do. I’ve had those views for 30 years.”

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  15th April 2020

      Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

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      • Griff.

         /  15th April 2020

        That is your TDS showing Alan.
        It makes the most idiotic of positions sound reasonable if you have the orange ring of confidence around your mouth.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  15th April 2020

          A sense of humour helps, Griff. I could say most of those things with a grin.

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  12. lurcher1948

     /  15th April 2020

    Lets back to reality

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