Greens desperate for donations for “a chance to rewrite the rules”

The Green Party has been largely out of the media spotlight, like most things what they have been doing overshadowed by all the Covid-19 news – but they have struggled for publicity since they have been in Government. They have been pleading for donations from before Covid-19 struck New Zealand.

From an email sent out by the Green Party Campaign Director on 14 February 2020:

I won’t lie, the last two polls aren’t looking good for us. Last night’s poll marks the second in a row that indicate we are at risk of falling below the 5% threshold.

Will you donate to show your support for keeping the Greens in parliament?

We always knew this election would be a challenge. No minor party in the history of Aotearoa has ever entered government and then returned to parliament at the next election. That’s why we need your help.

Your money will allow us to run the biggest campaign possible and make history by returning the Greens to government – allowing us to go further and faster on the issues that matter most.

The future of the Green Party hinges on the next six months.

They sounded sort of desperate then. From another email on 23 March:

I am about to ask you for the most important donation to our campaign this year, but first I want to tell you why it is so important.

The most significant financial decisions of this election campaign will be made on 1 April. These decisions will determine how effective and successful our campaign will be and what kind of future we will be leaving for our kids and grandkids.

That can’t have been very successful because yesterday (18 April) co-leader Marama Davidson emailed:

With Alert Level 4 now well into the third week here in Aotearoa, I really hope you and your whānau are safe and well, and coping, during these extraordinary times. I am encouraged by how much our communities are caring for each other and willing to take actions for the good of everyone.

As I spend time in my bubble with my precious mokopuna, Raeya, I appreciate even more acutely the importance of a world shaped by putting people and planet first, a future where we stand for, and look after, all communities. These are the values that are at the heart of the Green vision and have always driven me and my mahi.

How the country mobilises today will shape the world we live in tomorrow. It presents Aotearoa with a chance to rewrite the rules, so we can respond decisively to the gaps in our system that leave people behind, as well as protect our communities from climate change. The Green Party is committed to a future where we put the wellbeing of people and nature first, for a clean future.

However due to the impact of COVID-19, the Green Party is facing its own financial challenges. Right now our team is focused on working out how to continue to provide community support and continue party operations through these difficult times.

Please help support this vision by ensuring our Green voice remains strong. A donation of $3 today will support creating a future where people and planet come first.

To make things more challenging, the Green Party is not eligible for the government’s support package and we have not been able to raise the money we were counting on – not even close. And since we only rely on the support of individuals – not corporates – this is crucial.

She went on to plead her case, but this suggests that Green fundraising is way behind what they want it to be.

Political Parties shouldn’t get subsidies from the government support package – all the Green Parliamentary staff will have secure jobs and pay (until the election) so they can continue to operate as a Government support party.

But employing campaign staff is reliant on donations, and from what they are saying they aren’t getting enough to set up much a campaign team.

Covid-19 is likely to dominate the news for months, probably right up until the election (if it goes ahead in September). The severe impact on jobs, businesses and economic and attempts at recovering from this are also likely to dominate the election campaign.

Unfortunately for the Greens, they aren’t supported for their support of business and the economy.

This may be even harder for the Greens if they promote things like “It presents Aotearoa with a chance to rewrite the rules”.  There has been a lot of re-writing of rules over the last month, causing a lot of social and economic disruption. People are more likely to want a return as much as possible to what they are familiar with, and I doubt they will want a radical re-writing of rules.

It’s going to be a challenging few months for the Greens.

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  1. Blazer

     /  19th April 2020

    didn’t spot this thread..
    In an election year the Greens are near invisible.
    With Covid19 the main concern it is still surprising that the usual high profile Green M.P’s do not appear to be even relevant in daily political discourse.
    I don’t know about this concept of having co-leaders.
    James Shaw is articulate and smart and has broad appeal .
    Having to share leadership with a Cunt is a strategic mistake imo.
    When two equal forces push against each other stagnation is the outcome.
    Chloe Swarbrick has been their star performer from my observations.
    She appeals to the young voters and has shown she has the ability to mix it with political opponents.
    The Greens squeaked in last time,whereas this election looks more absolute red or blue.
    The perception that the Greens priorities are more socially transformative than environmentally driven is becoming prevelant.
    Be interesting to know the Greens views on delaying the election too.
    As an aside who has the authority to delay it?

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    • Conspiratoor

       /  19th April 2020

      They’re all sheilas. An entire demographic effectively sidelined

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    • Ray

       /  19th April 2020

      Talk about a tin ear!
      New Zealand’s lack of public transport is believed to be one of the reasons Covid 19 has not spread as fast as it did in New York.

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      • Blazer

         /  19th April 2020

        very good Ray,trying vainly to make a positive out of a…negative.

        The world is full of Tin Soldiers….Ray.

        NZ’s lack of a high percentage of citizens owning guns is believed to be one of the reasons there are no school shootings on a monthly basis.

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  2. An attempt to rewrite some rules?

    Greens want nationwide rail connecting cities to save economy from coronavirus crash
    The Greens want to spend $9 billion on a high-spec intercity commuter rail network to connect New Zealand’s most productive regions.

    The party wants to upgrade train tracks connecting Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch with nearby regional towns, creating a network of regional hubs.

    Eventually, they would like to upgrade the tracks to allow rail speeds of up to 160 km/h – far faster than the current top speed of Auckland’s commuter trains, which is 110 km/h, although the actual speed travelled is slower.

    The Greens are keen to make sure this round of economic stimulus helps to reduce emissions after copping political flak for the fact that just under half of the Government’s last economic stimulus package was spent on roads.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/121108095/greens-want-nationwide-rail-connecting-cities-to-save-economy-from-coronacrash

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    • A comment from a post at The Standard on this:

      Trains are good, but COVID has shown that it is possible for many people to work remotely, away from any central office (I actually wish that I had chosen to work from home instead of taking annual leave).

      That $9bn would be better off being poured into telecomms infrastructure, so more people can work from home, freeing up transportation infrastructure (ie less money will need to be spent on it).

      https://thestandard.org.nz/greens-push-for-large-intercity-rail-infrastructure-to-ensure-sustainable-post-covid-19-rebuild/#comment-1703849

      In most places the telecomms infrastructure is already in place, so encouraging people to continue working from home would be cheaper and safer than a $9b risk on trains that may not be used.

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      • Pink David

         /  19th April 2020

        NZ has spent that $9bn on just the wage subsidy in the last 3 weeks. I’m wondering where everyone thinks this money is coming from.

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  3. Blazer

     /  19th April 2020

    I actually love the idea of regional rail networks.

    Pleased to hear they have some policy ideas.

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    • David

       /  19th April 2020

      We really dont have enough people to make rail viable regionally. The idea of Rangiora to Christchurch is really really ridiculous but why not have a low emissions quality bus service with wifi and use the largely empty roads.

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      • duperez

         /  19th April 2020

        I thought the road out to Kaiapoi and Rangiora got quite busy. You’d expect that over time it would get busier.
        I’ve seen it said that the best time to put in basic infrastructure is yesterday so I suppose in post-earthquake development they made provision of space for doubling and tripling the amount of roading.

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        • David

           /  19th April 2020

          They are just putting the finishing touches on the motorway and doubling the bridge bottleneck. It was a problem back a few years back but is pretty good now.
          The post quake RONS National did are nearing completion and will make a huge difference.
          Its much like the light rail to Auckland airport which would have been fantastic but now you have waterview its a total waste of money as the trip is pretty quick now.

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          • duperez

             /  19th April 2020

            The Kaiapoi area that is ‘pretty good’ now soon won’t be and the motorway rebuilding will be happening again?

            And the trip via Waterview is ‘pretty quick’ now? Projections had it that Auckland’s population would reach 2 million by 2033 and double by about 2043.

            What will Waterview look like 10 years? 30 years?

            Black and white history for the locked down:

            https://www.nzonscreen.com/title/pictorial-parade-no-98-expanding-auckland-1960?collection=auckland

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            • David

               /  19th April 2020

              The motorway is just getting its finishing touches now so we are future proofed.
              I do thing Auckland need rail, buses or what have you but the tram to the airport seems like a waste when there are probably better projects, the Waterview run into town is fantastic compared to what it was.

            • Duker

               /  19th April 2020

              Airport rail anywhere in Australia is a terrible idea… Sydney airport stations origin destination traffic numbers are very low , below the top 50? Traffic counts are inflated by toursists who find its the quickest way between domestic and international terminals
              Brisbane extended a suburban line to airport , hardly used.
              Passengers hauling large suitcases on suburban trains is a big turnoff especially as you have to trek to station first.
              Im happy to hop on a direct city -airport bus like they have in Melbourne. Right sized luggage space and people are doing the same as you

              in Auckland the airport part was only added to make the Dominion Rd light rail look good in computer modelling, other wise its a waste even going to Mt Roskill.

      • The one from Hamilton to Auckland failed because it took so long with all the stops, it began in a suburb instead of the inner city (unused) station which meant a longish drive before anyone even started and the time was arbitrary and didn’t suit many people. It couldn’t. It was heavily subsidised.

        The lesson wasn’t learned and it is about to start again. It’s a real shame that this one will probably go the same way. We just don’t have the population to make the trains viable.

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    • Duker

       /  19th April 2020

      Not that the Green Mps would ever use it themselves… one of the current lot drives to the Ponsonby cafes with her mum in a car like everyone else, not even an E bike .

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    • It depends on economic viability. I look forward to seeing a cost analysis from the Greens.

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  4. Duker

     /  19th April 2020

    Lucky the National Party has its Foundation ( actually many provincial ones as well, run by the nomenklatura) to fill any holes in its fundraising…..wont that cause a teensy problem as the leadership has said that foundation isnt for campaigning spending – which they criticised NZF over – Nah…wont stop them one bit to now do exactly what they were recently in high dudgeon over. Bridges hasnt mastered it but he gives it his best. The other course is for Bridges to praise President Xi Jinping and Chinas actions on Covid 19 and then get lots of people the party has never heard of donate $14,990.

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  5. David

     /  19th April 2020

    They should tap NZ First foundation for a votes for loan deal. The foundation could then diversify and pick up other revenue streams from people who want to control the green vote and funnel it to Davison.
    Debt forgiveness arrangement based on parliamentary votes. They have capitulated completely on fishing which was very distasteful when there could have been enough goodwill to fund half an election campaign if they could have leveraged that.

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    • Duker

       /  19th April 2020

      Thats the difference on being a Coalition partner and being a mere Confidence and Supply pommel horse.
      Partners can get tradeoffs on how existing industry policies work and are cabinet decisions, Horses get some oats around budget time and no cabinet face time outside their portfolios

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    • Blazer

       /  19th April 2020

      Well David despite having the numbers the Nats had no time to reform the RMA.
      They did however manage to fast track reinstating knighthoods….one of their long time contributors,former beer baron Doug Myers was dying of cancer!

      It was a grave concern…and 3 letters on the headstone,made all the difference.

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      • Duker

         /  19th April 2020

        The other thing they had time for , just 6 months after the election and in the teeth of the GFC when some business were down to 3 day weeks, was to alter the rules of the high country land tenure so that indeed lakeside leasehold stations were now able to convert into freehold and reap the bonanza.
        Resembles the bonanza some national party ministers were able to reap in the late 50s early sixties when central north island hydro projects were adding roading and power supply to other wise worth less land increasing its value to those in the know

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  19th April 2020

          “increasing its value to those in the know”

          Actually it increased its value to everyone and the nation. Just as the roads that Labour and the Greens scrapped in favour of useless rail and cycle ways would have done.

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          • Blazer

             /  19th April 2020

            speaking of cycleways…as you should know…..

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  19th April 2020

              The useful country trails like our coast to coast one, B? Bringing jobs to poor places and towns like Hokianga, Kaikohe, Moerewa and Kawakawa without buggering up roads and city traffic?

              Couldn’t possibly be a Green or Labour initiative could it?

      • David

         /  19th April 2020

        The Maori Party for obvious reasons didnt want too much reform, Peter Dunne didnt want to either so why expose yourself to the savage media storm that would have happened to tweak this monstrosity.
        Its one of those things where its easier for Labour to amend it like it was easier for National to say pass the first benefit increase in 43 years. Labour allowed Sky casino to increase its pokie machines with barely a murmour and when Joyce did it you would think it was the end of civil society…one of those strange political things.

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        • Peter Dunne supported RMA reform but wanted to retain sufficient environmental protections, which seems to be the whole aim of the RMA. National chose nothing over an improvement, which looks like choosing short term party good over public good. I think they really blew their chance to at least partially fix the RMA.

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        • Blazer

           /  19th April 2020

          was that the same National Party that oversaw the first benefit decrease….in 40 years?
          And the same party that borrowed money to give tax cuts to their party faithful.

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  6. Alan Wilkinson

     /  19th April 2020

    Good to hear their key policy of wanting other people’s money while stopping them from doing anything productive is intact.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  19th April 2020

      Perhaps they can ask Greenpeace for some?

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    • Blazer

       /  19th April 2020

      a timely phrase that Al…’ policy of wanting other people’s money ‘….you know it is now totally redundant when even the Taxpayers Union have their…hand out!

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  19th April 2020

        How does that make it redundant?

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        • Blazer

           /  19th April 2020

          Well it is often a phrase solely attributed to Socialists….I think even you would concede that the majority of those with their hands out today ….do not fit that description.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  19th April 2020

            When you are in prison you are dependent on the prison to feed you, B. The objective of the Left is to have everyone in prison currently achieved. Hence Americans rebelling again.

            Even Lurch getting antsy. The mood is changing here too.

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            • Blazer

               /  19th April 2020

              Americans are the most incarcerated population in the world.
              The American Dream has killed far more people than Covid19.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  19th April 2020

              Nice sidestep.

            • Duker

               /  19th April 2020

              Wall St is now dependent on the US Fed -through its agents the NY Fed and the Boston Fed to ‘feed them’
              The Fed is even buying junk bonds, thereby destroying a central tenet of capitalism – risk and reward.
              But now its down to only a single remaining tenet of capitalism- who you know.
              Wilco , little people like you , inspite of being the most arvent believers miss out

            • Gezza

               /  19th April 2020

              The mood is changing here too.

              Where?

              And how – from what to what – and how do you know?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  19th April 2020

              People are getting angrier I think. Novelty has worn off. You can see it in the walkers and Mrs Al has had a couple of people she deals with having meltdowns.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  19th April 2020

              Not everyone has Sir Bob to cheer them up, Sir Gerald:
              https://nopunchespulled.com/2020/04/19/a-sabbath-sermon/

              Even the Herald is starting to run critiques of our road to ruin.

            • Gezza

               /  19th April 2020

              Maybe not, Sir Alan – but I now have duker for that.

            • Gezza

               /  19th April 2020

              @ Al

              Yes, I’m picking up in the supermarket queue chats we have to pass the time that more and more people are feeling “over it” when it comes to queueing to shop. Many of those with lost jobs or reduced incomes & debts climbing & kids at home will no doubt be experiencing stress & anxiety too.

              I’d love to know what Labour’s polling is picking up. And if the mood is turning sour, whether we might see Jacinda stepping back more from front & centre & leaving briefings & questions more often to the senior officials.

          • I am glad that people seem not to be leaving oldies to sink or swim. My mother’s friend in Wanganui has people coming in and I can’t believe that she is the only one. Her neighbour across the road and a man she knows come to help. This is unlikely to be the only case of this happening. I’d be surprised if the 90 year old up the road doesn’t have at least the mother of her adopted whanau dropping in to look after Auntie Dorothy. The heartlessness of the rule that made it illegal to do this is appalling; I applaud those who take the risk and break it.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  19th April 2020

              Me too, Kitty. Decent folk know when rules must be broken.

            • Nothing would induce me to dob anyone in for doing the decent thing. There’s nothing ‘kind’ about leaving someone in the 80s or 90s to struggle alone.

              I am also picking up the message that people are ‘over it’. Supermarket queues might seem a minor thing, but when they’re up to an hour and the person knows that they’ll be doing it again in a few days because they can only buy two of any item they will become an infuriating time waster, as people worry about losing their jobs and houses. Or not being able to have the car fixed, or go to the dentist.

              The novelty of walking around the block wears off quite soon.

              The no visiting dying relations is being criticised as heartless.

              Good luck selling extended restrictions, Dear Leader.

            • 3 PDTs seem to think that leaving people in their 80s and 90s alone with no help or leaving people to die alone is acceptable and are noble enough not to mind the prospect of needing dental treatment or car repairs and not being able to get them.

  7. just a reminder that its election year & that the Greens are gearing up for it..
    btw: I got one of the ‘begging emails’ too, but have not responded… yet

    >yes, the Natl. & Lab. parties have ‘corporate sponsors’, whereas the Greens are more reliant on their greenies ‘support base’ :/

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    • Blazer

       /  19th April 2020

      what are your thoughts on public transport Zedd?

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      • Zedd

         /  19th April 2020

        its the ‘Way to go’.. I lived in Sydney for 20 years & have been to UK & EU (O.E.) & have seen the widespread use of TRAINS, Buses & ferries.
        >Kiwis seem to grow up in the mindset, that you have to drive (private car) nearly everytime you walk out the front door.
        btw: I do not own one.. I rely on buses, taxis in Otepoti/Dn

        I grew up in Akld (many moons ago) & clearly remember catching the bus to work, weaving through the 1000s of cars, mostly with one person in each.. not very smart IMHO 😦

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        • Zedd

           /  19th April 2020

          Otepoti/Dn has a ‘world famous’ train station, that is mostly just used for the ‘Taieri gorge train’ for tourists.
          It has been suggested that they restart public trains to ChCh etc. BUT it apparently does not have enough support. It is also a pickup & drop off point for bus/coaches instead.. go figure ?

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          • The population of those places is far greater than ours, Zedd. We can’t support the number of trains that the Tube has, for instance. I can’t remember how frequently they run, but there’s no way that even Auckland could have that many.

            I remember what fun it seemed to go past all the places on the Monopoly board until the novelty wore off. And jumping onto a train on the right line,,,going in the wrong direction,

            MIND THE GAP, MIND THE GAP, MIND THE GAP,

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            • Zedd

               /  19th April 2020

              ‘The population of those places is far greater than ours, Zedd. We can’t support the number of trains that the Tube has, for instance.; sez kitty

              I hear you, BUT Im not suggesting running trains every 20 minutes if the population, obviously cant support it, but I think planes were flying between ChCh & Dn & coaches are on the roads most days; surely they could support replacing these !

              I hear that one initiative under current Lab/NZF & Grns; trains between Akld – Hamilton. Great idea. In sydney they run trains to Central coast, Blue Mtns & ‘the gong’.. mostly for commuters that cant afford to live & work in the city.

              The whole ‘we cant support this’ is just tory 20th century thinking IMHO

            • Not really, Zedd.

              The trains will leave Frankton at 5.55 and 6.37. There will be 40 parks, so if you miss out you have to go to the Base.

              The trains take 2 1/2 hours each way and cost $18.60 each way. $186 a week, and that’s with a card.

              It would be much better fun to go by train than by coach, but coaches do have one advantage; they can stop anywhere within reason,

            • Zedd

               /  19th April 2020

              …and some folks think its all ‘Loony left’ thinking & we just need to build more & more motorways & cram them up with more & more Cars, Trucks & buses.. BUT thats just soooo narrow minded IMHO 😀

            • I can’t imagine anyone deliberately going by coach rather than train, but such is life. I’d like to go on the Hamilton/Auckland one while it’s still going .

  8. artcroft

     /  19th April 2020

    The Greens will feel Shane’s wrath if they come up short in their campaign for another term of Winston First.

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    • Blazer

       /  19th April 2020

      wtf?

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      • Gezza

         /  19th April 2020

        Possibly means those who can’t bring themselves to vote for either Labour or National look at the Greens & decide the only other option is NZF

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  9. David

     /  19th April 2020

    I think they just need to accept that Jacinda has cut their lunch and they are finished, wasted investment really and they will go the way of the Maori Party which she has destroyed as well.
    Bit sad to be wiped out by this mediocre administration but send your cheque to Jacinda or Winston.

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    • Blazer

       /  19th April 2020

      Love to know how Ardern destroyed the Maori Party….I think they destroyed themselves by selling out to the historical enemy of ordinary folk…..your party ..the Blue Meanies.

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      • Gezza

         /  19th April 2020

        Yes, they did, although there was a reasonably sound strategy behind it. The difficulty for MP is they’re a race-based party that is focussed on a single interest group & much of the general electorate with mixed Maori / Pakeha ancestry probably aren’t inclined to see thenselves as economically & culturally deprived. They see themselves as New Zealanders first & foremost.

        Maori Party goes after the vote of those who see themselves as Maori first & foremost, many often with grievances that are not easily let go of, even after treaty settlements. But in coalition with National they could never provide the generous amount of spending on Maori specifically that the vocal members of the Maori electorates expected.

        They were rejected by the Maori electorates I suspect primarily because of that; there was a widepread perception of insufficient reduction in the poor outcomes for Maori. The two co-leaders were fierce advocates for Maori in Parliament. However, Te Ururoa Flavell retired with a dignified speech that acknowledged that Maori had spoken; they had not met their expectations.

        Marama Fox in contrast rounded on Maori & vituperatively insulted them for rejecting MP. Quite a performance. I remember discussing with Possum how foolish that was.

        Curiously, Jacinda’s crew won all the Maori seats with promises to lift Maori, not with race-based targeted spending (a la National & MP) but by lifting all boats, bringing Maori up by their inclusion.

        She made a clever political call to name Neve Te Aroha, even though she knew so little tecreo Maori she mispronounced it a few times when announcing it first, and later on marae, & that won her great kudos. She & Labour have since benefited from policies aimed at reducing the remand prisoner population & attempts to keep young offenders out of the prison system, easier bail, etc – Kelvin Davis was a crucial appointment as Corrections Minister there.

        Also, simply by not being the leader of the hated National party, she has been given a warm welcome by Maoridom & at least a term to prove that Maori negative stats & poverty would be sharply reduced under a Labour-led administration, which was given another chance to resume their traditional role of looking after Maori interests.

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        • Blazer

           /  19th April 2020

          Great summation G.
          This topic reminded me of the conspicuous abscence of…Corky…hope he’s o.k.

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          • Gezza

             /  19th April 2020

            Certainly not quite the same without Corks, plugging away provocatively….

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  19th April 2020

              Is it my imagination or is B becoming human today? Had to give him some upticks again.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  19th April 2020

              Went to ground after I outed him a couple of nights ago

            • Gezza

               /  19th April 2020

              Oh, c ? Do you got a link to that ?

            • Conspiratoor

               /  19th April 2020

              His ego took a few hits in quick succession. Trying to pass an imaginary pitbull off with a stock foto, one notable apology then caught out trying to claim an old joke as one of his own. Still a great raconteur with an eye for quirky detail. I hope he does resurface and provoke some more

            • Gezza

               /  19th April 2020

              At least he doesn’t now have a fixation with meerkats licking their arses, like someobody whose name doesn’t need to be mentioned here. Takes all sorts I guess, but still, some are definitely more weird than others. Keep up the god werk 👍🏼

            • I hope he doesn’t resurface. I can understand someone using a stock photo for a dog that looks the same, but they should admit it. The marks on the photo are a giveaway that it’s a stock one !

              His goading that always takes the same form (like Lurch and the mobilty scooter, crackers and cheese and the other hardy perennials) wear thin after a short time, and become tiresome.

            • Gezza

               /  19th April 2020

              Yes I can understand your frustration with each other. I am tbh somewhat amused by how each of you, after each bout, retires undefeated.

          • Duker

             /  19th April 2020

            well if the anthropomorphism manor hat fits

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            • Gezza

               /  19th April 2020

              You’re married?

            • Duker

               /  19th April 2020

              “even though she knew so little tecreo[sic] Maori she mispronounced it a few times when announcing it first, and later on marae”

              Do tell us what is supposed to sound like in te meerkat

            • Gezza

               /  19th April 2020

              Are you sure your missus wants to know? She doesn’t seem to be enjoying your company there.

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