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  1. Patzcuaro

     /  21st April 2020

    Interesting article on the link between the covid-19 death rate and air pollution, specifically nitrogen dioxide levels. Wuhan, Madrid and the Po Valley area of northern Italy are all surrounded by mountains which trap the pollution.

    Long term exposure to air pollution is damaging to our lungs which is the area being attacked by the coronavirus.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/apr/20/air-pollution-may-be-key-contributor-to-covid-19-deaths-study

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    • Blazer

       /  21st April 2020

      Yes they will be extremely disappointed that the Nats no longer rule in NZ.
      McCully was a very …’willing’ ally.

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    • Gezza

       /  21st April 2020

      Fine people, Trump reckons. Buy American military equipment.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  21st April 2020

        Hopefully MBS is next in line after Kim Jong Un for a heart attack. That would make a couple of good acts of God this year to make up for some of His bad ones.

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  2. Patzcuaro

     /  21st April 2020

    “Boris Johnson is the wrong man in the wrong job at the wrong time”

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/20/boris-johnson-sunday-times-prime-minister-coronavirus

    Like it or not, you need a well run and funded but efficient state. Disruption, such as the simplistic ” drain the swamp” catchcry of Trump is useless in a crisis.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  21st April 2020

      The Guardian would say that wouldn’t it?

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      • Blazer

         /  21st April 2020

        [Deleted incorrect name] would get endorsement from you on the basis of being ‘entertaining’ …surely!

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        • Blazer

           /  21st April 2020

          ‘”BoJo”, a portmanteau of his forename and surname.

          Like Jennifer Lopez=JLo…..who could be upset by that? 😉

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          • You’re well aware of ground rules here for using correct names for politicians and commenters, and that includes not adding derogatory descriptions to names. For example ‘Blazer the clown’ is not acceptable (and that’s similar to what you used).

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            • Blazer

               /  21st April 2020

              would something non derogatory like Boris Johnson the magnificent,be o.k?

            • Gezza

               /  21st April 2020

              Damn. Crossed that one off my list of possibles.

            • Corky

               /  21st April 2020

              Pete actions are RIGHT. The feral elements of any blog must be controlled for the good of all commentators. Especially as people start losing the plot as level three becomes a nightmare to police. Authorities will start making arbitrary decisions many will not like. Frustrations will spill over into social media.

            • Gezza

               /  21st April 2020

              God forbid someone will go postal on a blog !

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  21st April 2020

          That’s been responded to. The earlier meetings were attended by the appropriate officials in his place in direct communication with him and as the crisis developed he attended and chaired the meetings. This was a beat up.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  21st April 2020

          That’s paywalled. All it tells me is the Health Minister was chairing the early meetings. As he should.

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    • duperez

       /  21st April 2020

      A catchcry like ‘drain the swamp’ might be useless in a crisis for sorting out the actual crisis but it could keep hearts warm and spirits going during it. I saw it quoted in a US source yesterday.
      It may have been in one of the reports about the protests about lack of freedom and being in comparative lockdown. A symbolic call about rats running the place.
      Funny, big bold men, garbed to look strong and staunch and carrying Rambo guns might need a dumb catchcry to keep them warm and cuddled.

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  3. lurcher1948

     /  21st April 2020

    Whose road was better,NZ or Sweden who went down a different road
    NZ 12 deaths or 2 per million pop
    Sweden 1580 deaths or156 deaths per million
    If you survived who knows but being alive is better than dead
    Excellent effort PM Ardern

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    • The PM can’t take credit for most of the people who have it being young and not ill enough to even go to hospital.

      The lockdown didn’t prevent the oldies who had it dying, and dying alone because their families couldn’t see them in their last days.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  21st April 2020

        Dont be a cold wet towel Kitty,i tell you what go over to Simon Bridges facebook page and cuddle him 23000 hate posts shows hes loved

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        • It’s true, it didn’t save them. And it’s true that only 15 (if that) are in the half-empty hospitals.

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          • Blazer

             /  21st April 2020

            someone wrote this for ..you..
            ‘Every day starts, my eyes open and I reload the program of misery. I open my eyes, remember who I am, what I’m like, and I just go, ‘Ugh’. Louis C. K.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  21st April 2020

              No, he wrote it for himself and he was a bit of a dick:

          • Duker

             /  21st April 2020

            “And it’s true that only 15 (if that) are in the half-empty hospitals.”
            Its a miracle …lets venerate the saint responsible

            Greece has had much the same response to its early and strict lockdown compared to its neighbours…funny that ..listen to the experts and follow their advice.
            I can remember when I worked for an expert in a specialist field ( not this one)
            That was always what he said to customers who didnt like what they were told to …it was ‘you should find someone else to get the advice you want’
            More common was those who didnt follow it completely, just most of it. It came back to bite some of them too.

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  4. Gezza

     /  21st April 2020

    Four tuis arrived at the manor cafe at the same time this morning:

    https://streamable.com/trt4dt

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  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  21st April 2020

    Rain is hosing down here. No dog walks for a while.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  21st April 2020

      My date scones with strawberry jam and cream go decadently well with a stovetop espresso coffee. Dog has a bacon bone courtesy of Countdown delivery last night – plenty of delivery slots for us deserving vulnerables now. I fear obesity looms.

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      • Blazer

         /  21st April 2020

        sounds like you’re doing it tough in this crisis.
        If only National were running the show …eh!

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  21st April 2020

          Yes, I would probably be far away helping friends restore a relocated home for themselves instead. Now I am stuck at home entertaining you while their house sits waiting and deserted up on blocks.

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  6. Alan Wilkinson

     /  21st April 2020

    The NHS has fallen badly with supplies of PPE following its failure to ramp up testing. Boris has brought in a private sector executive to try to make things happen.

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    • David

       /  21st April 2020

      Britains borders are still open with 15,000 daily arrivals, the country seems totally rudderless without Boris.
      They are doing a Sweden except with enormous financial cost and by accident while the NHS is largely twiddling its thumbs enjoying the accolades while quietly not treating people.

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      • Blazer

         /  21st April 2020

        Yes if only Boris could greet them at the airport and shake their…hands.
        He must be fantastic,he went to…Eton.

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    • Blazer

       /  21st April 2020

      ‘Boris has brought in a private sector executive to try to make things happen.’

      you mean to…take the blame.!

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  21st April 2020

        No I don’t. I think the calibre of the guy is well above that level.

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  21st April 2020

    It made me smile, Bennett and Tolley are crowing that they won their case against Peters.Its a Claytons victory as Bennetts on the wrong side of the house and whoever did the utu against Winstons cost NZ heaps.

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  8. David

     /  21st April 2020

    From the UK, imagine if he is right and they just BBQed the economy and a trillion quid:

    “It comes as a leading expert at the University of Oxford has argued the peak was actually about a month ago, a week before lockdown started on March 23, and that the draconian measures people are now living with were unnecessary.

    Professor Carl Heneghan claims data shows infection rates halved after the Government launched a public information campaign on March 16 urging people to wash their hands and keep two metres (6’6″) away from others.

    He said ministers ‘lost sight’ of the evidence and rushed into a nationwide quarantine six days later after being instructed by scientific advisers who he claims have been ‘consistently wrong’ during the crisis.

    Professor Heneghan hailed Sweden – which has not enforced a lockdown despite fierce criticism – for ‘holding its nerve’ and avoiding a ‘doomsday scenario’. The country has recorded just 392 new patients and 40 deaths today, approximately 10 per cent of the UK’s figures. Britain’s diagnoses have not been announced yet.

    In separate research, the Oxford professor said he estimates that the true death rate among people who catch the virus is between 0.1 and 0.36 per cent, considerably lower than the 13 per cent currently playing out in the UK.”

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    • Blazer

       /  21st April 2020

      ‘ imagine if he is right and they just BBQed the economy and a trillion quid:’…how appealing will that look on [deleted incorrect name] C.v.?

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    • Griff.

       /  21st April 2020

      You know you have a crank when they point to Sweden’s numbers in the weekend
      When any who can count to seven can work why from this.
      https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
      Scroll down to deaths and practice counting.
      Sweden does not report all its deaths in the week ends they get reported the following week
      If the professor can not work out something so simple a ten year old would spot it whats his opinion worth?

      Were did you find that crap the daily mail ? It is about their level of stupidity.
      ps
      Yip I just googled a phrase , no guesses where its from…….

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  21st April 2020

        Nevertheless UK has ten times the deaths of Sweden with six times the population. The jury is still out.

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        • David

           /  21st April 2020

          And the UK isnt counting care home deaths properly, they have excess deaths of 3000 plus a week which they havent counted against Covid. On any measure they are performing worse than Sweden so is there something in the Professors opinion that hand washing and social distancing can make a marked difference in outcome without tanking the economy.
          If the excess deaths are not Covid related then the lockdown and lack of accessing the health system is causing large amounts of deaths making the lockdown maths even worse.

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    • Duker

       /  21st April 2020

      Actually more common from them than you would think, even in non controversial topics , their ‘writers’ dont follow journalism rules but instead create a narrative -more like a Hollywood screen play ‘based on actual events’ that for obvious reasons merges characters, places , events to fit . Not that Fox News is any different.
      I read somewhere their most popular section in the paper for online viewers is the recipes!

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  9. lurcher1948

     /  21st April 2020

    Just listened to Simon Bridges weekly party broadcast on rightwing Magic Radio host the forever rightwing Peter Williams. My problem is Mr Williams speech impediment,he really needs help,his speech is excruciating painful on the ears, croaking and raises up and down but is hard to understand whereby PM Jacinda Arderns speech is perfectly clear. Bring on the debates, people will say”what did he say i cannot understand him”

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  21st April 2020

      According to G, Jacinda’s speech is sumdinct else. I mostly avoid it by not reading it as it is mostly patronising PR fluff. But as a fair-minded critic I compensate by not reading Simon’s either.

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    • Gezza

       /  21st April 2020

      Jacinda doesn’t seem to recognise the difference in pronunciation between t’s & d’s, & she says sumpthink, anythink, & nuthink, which are what you would expect a young child to say until they learn to read and see that the words are something, anything, & nothing.

      You would be best not to run down somebody else’s diction & praise hers. I find these speech errors of hers as an adult speaker very puzzling, especially as she is otherwise a very good, clear, communicator and public speaker. I lay the blame at the feet of her parents & her teachers.

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      • Blazer

         /  21st April 2020

        Its an affliction you could never claim is suffered by Eton oldboys…like the long line of Tory P.M’s and M.P’s.
        Jolly good show old..chap.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  21st April 2020

          They possibly share the same affliction of giving their kids funny names, B.

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      • Yes, it’s odd that an educated person has such poor pronunciation. It’s like a Cockney, innit ?
        Yer know wha’ I mean ? Does she say ‘f’ for ‘th’ ? Nuffink and sumfink ?

        A Cockney was asked what his name was for a government form.
        ‘Arfur.’
        ‘Arfur ?’ asked the man behind the desk in a pained voice. ‘How you spell that ?’
        ‘It’s A R T H U R, innit,’
        ‘Oh, you mean Arthur. Your name is Arthur. And what is your surname ?’
        ‘Smiff,’
        ‘Smiff ? Smiff ??? And how, pray tell, is that spelt ?’
        ‘It’s S M I T H, o’course.’
        ‘Ah, your name is Smith.And how old are you, Mr SmiTH ?’
        ‘Firty-free.’
        Firty-free ??? Could you spell that for me, please ?’
        ‘Yer don’t spell it, do yer? It’s a bleedin’ number.’

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        • Griff.

           /  21st April 2020

          Yes, it’s odd that an educated person has such poor pronunciation
          .
          Sorry I live in NZ we have an accent.
          If your have not noticed it yet there is truly not hope .
          AFAIK BBC English died out in the sixty’s here, speaking with a fake accent to pretend you are cultured is so last century.

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      • duperez

         /  21st April 2020

        I really enjoy the radio hosts on any station on Februey aleventh when the news comes on at aleven aclock. I’ve not rang them to complain though, it seems to be the New Zillind way.

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        • Gezza

           /  22nd April 2020

          😀 Very good dupers. I sumtimes wunder how we wood all ged on if we speld Inglish finetikly, tha way we say it. Mite be eezia for evrywun.

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  10. Alan Wilkinson

     /  21st April 2020

    Is Stuff on life support? They are begging for donations at the same time as seemingly unable to moderate comments despite surely having many working from home and continuing their climate alarmism nonsense.

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  11. Patzcuaro

     /  21st April 2020
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