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  1. Gezza

     /  22nd April 2020

    YNZ Helpful Hints

    I get two types of migraines, a tendency inherited from mum.

    Treated early with Sumatriptan they are usually easy to get rid of, but if I’ve out of meds they’re a nightmare. It took 5 hours in the Emergency Department at Kenepuru Hospital & 3 different types of medication to finally get a runaway migraine under control.

    I’d run out of medication when I got on Saturday last weekend (because I often get cluster migraines; several of them over, say, a week, & then none if I’m getting enuf sleep & avoid alcohol, chocolate & cheese, which are triggers for me).

    Google told me raw ginger & feverfew were natural remedies that some people find effective, especially ginger. So I shot down to New World & bought some raw ginger.

    Blow me down, it works. It works really well too, & quite quickly. Just a really thin slice, peeled then chopped up & either chewed raw or steeped in hot water (with a little sugar in my case) & taken as a tea.

    2 sumitriptan tablets OTC at the chemist – $35
    Small quantity of raw ginger @ New World – $8

    And it’ll last for ages, cleanses the palete, freshens your breath, & is good for your digestion.

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    • Gezza

       /  22nd April 2020

      Bugger. Whoops

      *but if I’ve run out of meds they’re a nightmare.

      ** I’d run out of medication when I got one on Saturday

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      • lurcher1948

         /  22nd April 2020

        After 27000 mostly negative comments on his Facebook page Simon Bridges has stated he would have dropped straight to level 2 after getting medical advice from small business owners,after all what do medical experts know.
        There is a strong rumour of a coup as National MPs are disappointed with Simon Bridges performance. Paula Bennett and Mark Mitchells names are in the mix,bring it on.

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    • David

       /  22nd April 2020

      Thats impressive, I have a friend who gets debilitated by them I will pass this on.

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      • Gezza

         /  22nd April 2020

        Thanks David. Ma’s neighbour said the same thing. They can send one of his daughters to bed in a darkened room for up to three days. I’d like to get this info out to anyone who gets them.

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    • Blazer

       /  22nd April 2020

      sounds like a great solution/Always avoid big Pharma meds whenever you can.
      ‘Side effects’ are real…effects.

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      • Feverfew is an ancient remedy, but it tastes vile so some people put it in a sandwich to muffle the taste. The only problem is finding it. I hadn’t heard of using ginger.

        I am fortunate that I no longer get the days in a darkened room with a bucket beside the bed variety !!!

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        • I have just discovered that feverfew tablets are available from some chemists.

          Nettle tea works as a natural antihistamine.

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          • Pickled Possum

             /  22nd April 2020

            I grow stinging nettle for antihistamine and also to wipe my feet and hands over it to stimulate my nerves if I’m having trouble with tired feet and crampy hands.

            I have grown feverfew but some of this year’s batch just folded under the hot searing heat, I will grow them again amongst the tomatoes and brassicas keep the whitefly away.
            Also, feverfew was once used for fragile mental sensibilities
            Feverfew is orrible to eat YICK!!!!

            I am growing ginger and it is going for it
            I have 2 boxes of ginger and 1 of garlic. I grow them in boxes off the ground so they can be covered from the cold when it comes.
            For years I just ate garlic on toast for breakfast now
            I use garlic every day in salads and cooking
            I am the garlic freak.
            I use a lot of turmeric and ginger for its anti-pain and anti-inflammatory properties.
            I throw garlic in anywhere in the garden apparently it keeps feral pigs away but I had never heard of that one.

            I guttered a feral pig on the walkway and hung up the skin on my art shed
            it’s still there.
            There have been pigs in the bush behind us but never come down to ravage the garden.

            I am going to grow some more turmeric the Hot summer dealt up these seasons ones. It was fierce up in the Far North but now potatoes and kumara are thriving.
            I also make echinacea tincture and propolis tincture
            and that magic massage balm that just takes all the pain away
            Magnesium and High Dose Vit c are also supplements I take when needed.
            we have to look after ourselves corona or no corona.

            FYI crushed garlic and ginger that come in plastic containers from China are peeled by Chinese prisoners and their fingers are worn down so much they have to use their TEETH!!!!

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            • Blazer

               /  22nd April 2020

              are you sure PP….I didn’t think they had any…teeth!

            • Corky

               /  22nd April 2020

              At least Americans have a chance to fix their teeth. America has the best dental care in the world…in my opinion. Check out this sheilas before and after shots.

              https://www.themarshallproject.org/2018/06/28/another-hurdle-for-former-inmates-their-teeth

            • pickled possum

               /  22nd April 2020

              Wow amazing what a few plastic teeth can do, she looks like a different person. My friend just had implants sixty thousand dollars it cost with a shit load of pain.
              China produce 90% of the world garlic and it’s bleached sprayed with chemicals and grow in sewage water … so they say.
              Grow your own.

  2. David

     /  22nd April 2020

    Another day of the opinion writers berating Bridges for critiquing the lockdown extension, now that is fair enough but there seems to be absolutely no scrutiny of Arderns decision to extend rather just acceptance and praise.
    These are the same papers filled with stories about struggling businesses whose employers have taken the wage subsidy and been asked to take pay cuts and are looking at a collapse in revenue while the lockdown continues. These are businesses that operate 7 days a week so the 2 business days excuse is a little hollow.
    There is no mention of the extra 5 days being 5 working days for hospitality and retail and the cost of that. We are an extreme outlier given the economic harm being done given the near zero transmission that has been achieved which has shown through in the last 5 days of results. There are a lot of people not being topped up by their employers and need to get back to work and an extra 5 days is tough for them.
    Level 3 is still way too brutal there is no earthly reason why shops cant operate like supermarkets. We had 2 new cases yesterday and they were historic and connected to existing cases, look across the ditch.
    Ardern and the media are way too invested in her international profile and not enough in what is happening in our own backyard.

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    • artcroft

       /  22nd April 2020

      It’s a long game and the bill is yet to fall due. When it does the press will spin on a dime and want to know why business was sacrificed in this way. Particularly when the redundancy notices start rolling in.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  22nd April 2020

      Really David do you think PM Jacinda Ardern is trying to score brownie points from overseas,why shes all ready got them and the NZ small business owners have taken over the title of biggest whingers from the farmers.

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      • David

         /  22nd April 2020

        You obviously dont know anyone surviving and just getting by on the miserly 80% of the minimum wage the government is paying, while they were increasing the minimum wage, or being made to take annual leave by their employer.
        Where do you think the most vulnerable in our workforce are going to find an income or do you just not care… its small businesses, its retail, its hospitality.
        Are you so far removed from the workforce that you dont realize the workers who work over a 7 day period are going to lose 5 days of much needed income for no reason aside from Ardern is worried about the PR of coppers stopping people going to their 2nd homes over Anzac weekend.
        Of course Ardern and the media are thinking of her overseas image, why do you think she does so many stories for them.

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        • Griff.

           /  22nd April 2020

          Here is an idea Dave.
          Rather than bore this forum silly with your faux concerns for the poor you give some of your money to them.
          You know instead of buying that heap of crap, unreliable and rapidly deprecating range rover status symbol as your third car you could have doubled the yearly income of twenty beneficiary’s .
          I will guess your concerns are really for your own financial status being like many “rich” over leveraged with your outgoings higher than your real income.

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        • Blazer

           /  22nd April 2020

          Look at the pride,the resolve of the staunch who abhor ‘socialists spending other peoples money’!
          ‘Take, for instance, two elite Christchurch gentlemen’s clubs – The Christchurch Club and The Canterbury Club. They have netted $136,125 and $122,244 respectively for about 45 staff under the scheme.
          The exclusive Northern Club in Auckland got $443,250, for 73 staff and other hobnobbing clubs like the Auckland Golf Club obtained $288,124 for 43 staff and the Parnell Lawn Tennis Club secured $19,629 for four. New Zealand’s oldest private club The Wellington Club netted $264,117 for 42 staff.
          The owners of exclusive resorts might also be expected to look to their own resources to look after their staff. American billionaire and philanthropist Julian Robertson’s various entities received $1.2m to pay 180 staff at exclusive lodges and golf clubs in Queenstown, Cape Kidnappers and Kauri Cliffs. The Millbrook Country Club near Queenstown got $1.9m for 290 staff and Christchurch’s plum golf club and resort Clearwater secured $140,503 for 20 staff.’

          ‘Standing on your own 2 feet’…indeed..

          https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/121148182/coronavirus-wage-subsidy-biggest-money-scramble-nz-has-seen

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      • The whinging small businesses, Lurch, are still paying rent and other expenses with no income for almost two months. I wonder how long most people could do this and not go bust.The landlords too are in dire straits.

        Dear Leader has turned a deaf ear to their pleas for some kind of help. The head of the Small Businesses Commission has had many calls from people who are so desperate that they are in tears as they speak to her.

        We are loftily told how good we are to make these sacrifices, but many people are BEING sacrificed.

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        • Blazer

           /  22nd April 2020

          ‘ are still paying rent and other expenses with no income for almost two months. ‘
          you really should desist from making things up.
          Your already low credibility will be downgraded to junk status at this rate.

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          • You must have noticed that small business are not open and haven’t been during the lockdown. Nor will they be for some time.

            The rent still has to be paid. So do the power and phone and insurance. Did you think that these things don’t have to be paid because the business is forced to close ? If you do, you’re wrong. Who do you think’s paying them ? The government isn’t.

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            • Blazer

               /  22nd April 2020

              name one business then,just one…if you can!

            • Corky

               /  22nd April 2020

              I have lost:

              1- My engineering firm.

              2- My Computer Tech and his shop. Ironically, he has accepted an offer to work for a big business. Part of his contract is he has nothing to do with computer servicing/sales outside of his job.

              3- My speciality bookstore. HUGE loss for me. The owner has contacts all over the world and is old school. My interests means regular bookstores cannot source books I require. However, the owner has promised to still help me source materials I need. That’s a small ray of hope.

            • Blazer

               /  22nd April 2020

              not because of C19 though.
              Note Kitty can’t answer the question and nor have you.

            • It will be obvious when the lockdown ends and some businesses don’t reopen which ones they are. At the moment they are all closed.

              I couldn’t answer a question that I hadn’t seen.

            • One estimate is that 30% of Auckland businesses will be forced to close permanently. This will probably be the same nationwide.

              Good work, Jacinda.

            • Blazer

               /  22nd April 2020

              no ,the only thing that is ‘obvious’ is that you make things up and can never back up your wild assertions.

    • Corky

       /  22nd April 2020

      ”There seems to be absolutely no scrutiny of Arderns decision to extend rather just acceptance and praise.”

      Mikey was talking about that this morning. He said we are such a compliant non complaining country. Marxist education and the Welfare State plus a small population… and, hey presto..whatever you say ma’am.

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      • Some man-boys can’t cope with a competent, articulate woman achiever in the public arena.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  22nd April 2020

          I don’t have a problem with Jacinda. It’s her fawning female fan club media that gets my goat. And Robertson is more competent than I expected – admittedly that is not saying a lot.

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          • duperez

             /  22nd April 2020

            Ah, the old, “Twice as good as what I expected, but then two nothings is nothing.” 😊

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  22nd April 2020

              To give him credit, dups, I thought he would be a negative asset but in fact he is one of the few positive ones, I think

        • Corky

           /  22nd April 2020

          I guess you may be the type of sycophant Mikey was speaking of. Maybe you should listen to him first before commenting. If you had, you would have found he has also said complementary things about Jacinda and Labour. The fact of the matter is, given our future lives and those of our children are on the line, all governments, no matter their political hue, should be questioned rigorously.

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          • Blazer

             /  22nd April 2020

            Has his missus managed to get her hair done…yet?

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          • Gezza

             /  22nd April 2020

            Just for anyone interested, & meant for no one in particular:

            Complementary (adjective) – combining in such a way as to enhance or emphasize the qualities of each other or another.

            Complimentary (adjective) – expressing a compliment; praising or approving.

            It can make quite a difference if one hits the wrong key on one’s keyboard.

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            • Corky

               /  22nd April 2020

              No one’s interested. Its clicking the wrong word choice from spell check.

            • Gezza

               /  22nd April 2020

              Looks like one person (who doesn’t need to be named here) was interested, becos they commented. 😐

            • Corky

               /  22nd April 2020

              Yes, they commented…and I replied.

            • Gezza

               /  22nd April 2020

              They commented on my comment. That’s what one does when one hits Post Comment.

              Why did you click the wrong choice from spellcheck, out of mild interest?

      • lurcher1948

         /  22nd April 2020

        Welcome to the real world Corky, my last real job sacked ME(redundancy) and all of the older tradesmen in my firm(one committed suicide, i survived to get over it,NO TEARS HERE Corky grow a set,didnt you take any precautions. DO YOU HAVE ANY SKILLS. insurance wise,.good luck. i have heaps, of moolah sitting pretty..
        TOUGHEN UP [deleted] you are at our level bro but im richer

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        • Corky

           /  23rd April 2020

          Here’s some free advice…. DO NOT GO THROUGH A FAST FOOD DRIVE THROUGH…on your scooter, on TUESDAY!!!

          There’ll be many vans in the line filled with folk who haven’t enjoyed the Colonel’s
          sacrament for over four weeks. If you get concertinaed between two of those vans, the prognosis will be grim. They will probably have to retrieve your choppers from the guttering. 😂

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      • As i and e are nowhere near each other, I imagine that this was not a typo.

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    • Duker

       /  22nd April 2020

      There is no way hospitality is even opening During level 3.
      So how can the shift to a start of new week affect them
      As well many tenants ‘fear ‘ level 3 as that means the lease payments kick back in as ‘they can now access their building’

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      • I wonder if the No Vacancy signs on some motels mean that some people are stuck there, caught by the lockdown. Jam for the owners, expensive unwanted holiday for the people staying at $? a night,

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  22nd April 2020

          I would expect so. Still, aren’t they still housing the welfare cases that Twyford didn’t build affordable homes for?

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      • David

         /  22nd April 2020

        The 2 week clock on level 3 starts next tuesday instead of tonight, 5 days later.

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  3. David

     /  22nd April 2020

    Swedens infection rates, and its early days, seem to have peaked on the 9th of April. Lets see what happens and perhaps they end up like Australia where they treat their citizens like adults and take responsibility for their own actions rather than having a kindergarten teacher in charge.

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    • Sweden’s tallies have been uneven with big drops in weekends, but the case increase rate seems to have flattened a bit. However Sweden’s testing rate is still quite low.
      And it’s far from over there.

      600,000 Coronavirus Infections In Stockholm By May 1, Model Estimates

      The Swedish Public Health Agency has collaborated on a new study that estimates one-third of all Stockholm residents will have been infected with COVID-19 by May 1. That amounts to approximately 600,000 people in Sweden’s capital city. Sweden’s official figures report only 15,322 positive cases so far in the whole of the country, suggesting significant numbers of “invisible” infections.

      Sweden’s acting state epidemiologist Anders Wallenstein confirmed the findings during the latest daily press conference about the virus outbreak. It was also revealed that a further 185 coronavirus-related deaths have occurred in Sweden in the last 24 hours, bringing the total to 1,765.

      The study indicates that for every confirmed case of COVID-19, a further 999 people are likely to have been infected with the virus without knowing it.

      Professor Johan Giesecke, former Chief Scientist of the European Center for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC), told SVT the estimates are good. “The virus is very contagious but most people who are infected do not know it.” One of the reasons for his confidence is a new coronavirus test that has been performed on blood donors in the Stockholm region. It showed that at least 11 out of 100 have developed antibodies.

      Their death rate is still high, with 185 Tuesday in Sweden (probably a catch up from the weekend).

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      • David

         /  22nd April 2020

        One has to be impressed though given the lack of restrictions. Its much the same in Australia so it seems at this stage there is a middle way through between NZs draconian approach and a more liberal mature way where you trust adults to be responsible for their own safety.
        There seems to be a determination in some quarters to want Sweden to fail in an almost fear of non compliance, the backlash to Bridges to an extent fit this pattern too. Society has changed quite a bit and compliance is quite strong to have everyone thinking the same way.

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        • “There seems to be a determination in some quarters to want Sweden to fail”

          I’m not sure that’s true, but there’s similar sentiment here that New Zealand either fails or fails to do any better than Australia.

          No one and no country knows what will turn out to be the best strategy over lockdowns and limiting spread of the virus. Each country is doing what they see fit.

          There’s no doubt that so far Australia and New Zealand have fared relatively well, much better than Sweden (you brought up Sweden this morning).

          There are some calls for our trans-Tasman bubbles to merge if both countries manage to continue to do well – that would likely benefit both countries.

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        • “There seems to be a determination in some quarters to want Sweden to fail.”

          Typical righty bullshit parroting the same lines as trump and his fact-free claims about Democrat hoaxes.

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        • Duker

           /  22nd April 2020

          Lack of restrictions in Australia…. its very near NZ , some more shops open buy they hardly have any customers…we were the same here the week before the lockdown, no restrictions above Lvl 3 but nobody around.
          Swedens unemployment was al;ready at 7.4% and will rise over 10% , same Australia, over 10% just like NZ

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  4. Corky

     /  22nd April 2020

    Enjoying Paul Henry’s programme and the people he’s interviewing. There’s a broad range of views. Especially liked his interview with Sir Michael Hill. I have given up watching TV news. The problem is there’s only so many ways you can present commentary on watching paint dry. Then you just go around in circles. After watching another fuckwit do weird stuff to keep themselves occupied, I decided mental health comes first.

    Let’s hope Level 3 spices things up a little. I will be parked near KFC on Tuesday. I’m guessing traffic will come to a stop… and a few fists will fly. That will be the best entertainment in town. 😃

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    • Blazer

       /  22nd April 2020

      I predict MH Jeweller will be a casualty of this economic reset.

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      • David

         /  22nd April 2020

        Hope not that is 2600 jobs

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        • Blazer

           /  22nd April 2020

          its Capitalism actually working isn’t it?
          The revenue lost by MHJ will be spent elsewhere,necessitating substitute employment.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  22nd April 2020

            Not good news if that reduces our exports and jobs to produce and support them.

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            • Blazer

               /  22nd April 2020

              doubt MHJ exports anything Al.
              Selling imported jewellery and assorted trinkets with huge margins is the name of the game.
              Churn staff like you would not believe.

      • Corky

         /  22nd April 2020

        Sir Michael is already reevaluating his business and life…as he did when he watched his house burn to the ground at age 40.

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        • Blazer

           /  22nd April 2020

          best thing that ever happened to him….built a brand new business with the proceeds.

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          • Corky

             /  22nd April 2020

            When you had your ”burning house” moment…did you look at yourself..or did you look for the the gummint to bail you out?

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    • Blazer

       /  22nd April 2020

      will you have a…bucket on your…head?

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  5. Gezza

     /  22nd April 2020

    Me: Oi ! Are you two stealing the tuis’ sugar water ?? >:D

    Pook: Who ? Us ? No. We’re just … um … checking it’s the right temperature for them 🐧

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    • Yeah, right, checking it right down to the bottom of the dish.

      I suppose that they want you to believe that they have discovered that it’s the wrong temperature or ratio of sugar to water and are saving the tuis from disappointment when they discover this.

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  6. A new unpublished research paper on hydroxychloroquine:

    It’s a larger sample (368) and there doesn’t appear to be the manipulation of results that the earlier French trials suffered from.

    But still no evidence that the use of hydroxychloroquine with or without the antibiotic azithromycin was associated with a reduced likelihood of death compared to standard treatment.

    And a hint that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs.

    https://apnews.com/a5077c7227b8eb8b0dc23423c0bbe2b2

    It’s not peer-reviewed and it’s a non-randomized retrospective methodology so can’t draw causal conclusions yet.

    Trump and that Brazilian ratbag Bolsonaro have stopped spruiking this so-called cure for the present, but in the meantime millions of people around the world who depend on hydroxychloroquine to treat lupus, are now more at risk because they can’t get supplies.

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  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  22nd April 2020

    Just spent a happy half hour indulging in H L Mencken quotes:
    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/H._L._Mencken

    Such a refreshing change from the wall to wall opinions of morons in our MSM. Now for a coffee.

    Wet and misty after all the rain on the walk this morning;

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  8. Life outside of COVID-19:

    The GOP run Senate Intel Committee has just confirmed Attorney General William Barr lied about Russian involvement in the US election.

    It has reaffirmed in its report released overnight its support for the U.S. intelligence community’s conclusion that the Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election with the goal of putting Trump in the Oval Office, including “specific intelligence reporting to support the assessment that [Russian President Vladimir] Putin and the Russian government demonstrated a preference for candidate Trump” and “specific intelligence” to support the conclusion that Putin “approved and directed aspects” of the Kremlin’s interference efforts.

    “The committee found that reporting from multiple intelligence disciplines was used as evidence to support this analytic line, and that the analytic tradecraft was transparent.”

    So the FBI had good reason to investigate the connections between the Trump camp and Russia. I’m sure AG Barr will immediately accept this report, and cancel Durham’s investigation. Immediately, if not sooner.

    https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Report_Volume4

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  22nd April 2020

      Really? The conclusion that Putin thinks Hillary is an idiot means the FBI should tap the Trump campaign?

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      • Blazer

         /  22nd April 2020

        I think one can make a case that Putin is probably the most effective world leader.
        C19 is under control there AFAIK,amongst other things.

        Trump tries to assume his powers.

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      • Duker

         /  22nd April 2020

        ” means the FBI should tap the Trump campaign?”
        Just as well you cant stand stupidy , as they were all very very stupid

        Trumps associates were in contact with russian agents and surrogates and thats what the FBI does as the US internal counter espionage agency – like the SIS here and MI5 in UK

        “On February 14, 2017, The New York Times reported that Paul Manafort had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials during 2016. Manafort said he did not knowingly meet any Russian intelligence officials.[36] Intercepted communications during the campaign show that Russian officials believed they could use Manafort to influence Trump

        eg “In December 2015, Michael Flynn was paid $45,000 by Russia Today, a Kremlin-supported television channel, for delivering a talk in Moscow, and Russia provided him a three-day, all-expenses-paid trip.[9] As a retired military intelligence officer, Flynn was required to obtain prior permission from the Defense Department and the State Department before receiving any money from foreign governments; Flynn apparently did not seek that approval before the RT speech”
        and
        “In July, 2017, Anthony Scaramucci, a Trump campaign member who was appointed White House Communications Director, was involved in discussions about joint investments between his firm and a sanctioned Russian government fund. Scaramucci met with Kirill Dmitriev, head of the Russian Direct Investment Fund, a $10 billion state investment firm under U.S. government sanctions. Scaramucci confirmed the meeting took place, saying he had “long known” Dmitriev, and criticized American sanctions as ineffective

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials
        The reality was Trump and his associates were up to their necks with Russians.
        the Honeypot was always money

        Once they opened their investigation the details just rolled in confirming major people in Trumps campaign were meeting Russians and more importantly lying about it.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  22nd April 2020

          Thousands of people in a US political campaign. A politically-motivated kill-Trump campaign by the Swamp found a handful of people with current or past business or professional interactions with another super power and made a political mountain out of a molehill wilfully destroying lives in the process .

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          • Duker

             /  22nd April 2020

            Manafort ..Flynn…the Russians knew what honeypot would attract them

            And wasnt Biden supposed to be tainted by a distant connection by his Son and it was Ukraine not Russia
            You cant be calling the kettle black

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      • Doesn’t matter what you say or how you say it Alan, the GOP-led bipartisan Senate Intelligence report knows better. Now we do as well.

        The committee said the CIA, National Security Agency, and FBI — coordinated by the Director of National Intelligence — presented a “coherent and well-constructed” case for their assessment, supported by intelligence from human and electronic sources and untainted by political bias.

        The committee also said “interviews with those who drafted and prepared the ICA affirmed that analysts were under no political pressure to reach specific conclusions… they were free to debate, object to content, and assess confidence levels, as is normal and proper for the analytic process” and “concludes that all … analytic lines are supported with all-source intelligence”

        So the GOP-led Senate committee has undercut the claims by Trump and his allies that Obama-era officials sought to undermine him and found that the Russians helped Trump to gain power in 2016.

        I don’t know how you could have a much more credible source than a three-year study by a bipartisan Senate Intelligence committee that came to a unanimous conclusion. Not only did America’s intelligence community get it right about Russian meddling in 2016, but they did so without political bias.

        Which means your claim it was a “politically-motivated kill-Trump campaign by the Swamp” is relegated to the level of bonkers conspiracy theory – where it should have always been.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  22nd April 2020

          The committee also said the ICA reflected a proper representation of the intelligence collected, but noted that the document did not include information provided by ex-British intelligence officer and author of the infamous Trump dossier Christopher Steele. The ICA, instead, included a summary of Steele’s reporting in an annex “largely at the insistence of FBI’s senior leadership.”

          The back-and-forth over Steele’s reporting being included in the final ICA prepared for then-President Barack Obama was between former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, who, despite the inaccuracies and uncorroborated nature of Steele’s report, said he wanted to include that information.

          McCabe told the Justice Department inspector general’s office he believed the Steele reporting needed to be included in that ICA because “President Obama had requested ‘everything you have relevant to this topic of Russian influence.’”

          But, CIA officials pushed back, arguing that Steele’s reporting was simply “internet rumor,” and merited inclusion only as an appendix in the final report. McCabe argued that including it as an appendix was simply “tacking it on” in a way that “would minimize” the information and prevent it from being properly considered—despite Comey’s assertion that Steele’s reporting was “not ripe enough, mature enough, to be a finished intelligence product.”

          Ultimately, as the Senate Intelligence Committee report noted, “the FBI’s view did not prevail,” and the final ICA report included Steele’s reporting only as a short summary in an appendix.

          So the document you think excused indicting Trump’s campaign actually rejected the evidence later used to justify spying on it.

          Well done Lefty fake news. You’ve got Ishmael hooked.

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  9. Corky

     /  22nd April 2020

    So, if Kim Un Hung dies, apparently his sister is next in line? She will either be worse than her bro…or she may drag NK out of the stone age…into the present stone age.

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  10. Zedd

     /  22nd April 2020

    just saw Jacinda reading ‘Hairy Maclary from Donaldsons dairy’ on goodnight kiwi segment on TV
    >she gets my vote on E-day 🙂

    setting a very high bar for paula or simon ?

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    • Corky

       /  22nd April 2020

      Let’s hope so. The last thing we need is National winning this mess. I will be rooting for Jacinda and Labour. Stalwarts of the NZ way.

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  11. duperez

     /  22nd April 2020

    We’re doing things all wrong here. We need to get more religion into the equation.
    I see Louisiana is right near the top of religious states so obviously has God on its side.
    And some very wise parsons and people too.

    They have ‘nothing to fear but fear itself.’

    Louisiana population 4.7 million, Deaths 1405, In hospital 1798.
    NZ population 4.9 million, Deaths 14, In hospital 11.

    A good Trump state and his majority will no doubt increase there in November.

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