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  1. lurcher1948

     /  25th April 2020

    Folks dont follow Donald Trumps advice ,DONT inject or drink disinfectant or bleach, the man’s an intellectual giant

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    • David

       /  25th April 2020

      Even by Trumps standard this is a doozy, he also wanted to know if he could put a light inside someone with covid.

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    • Griff.

       /  25th April 2020

      No lurch must disagree
      I think we should encourage his supporters to follow the great leaders advice at all times.
      They should even paint them self’s orange so normal persons can see at a glance members of his cohort of super intelligent minions.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  25th April 2020

      It’s the Lefties you need to warn, Lurch. They are the ones who take Trump’s joking around seriously all the time.

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      • Here we go again.
        sigh.
        1: He didn’t say it.
        2: And if he did, you didn’t understand it.
        3: And if you did, he was joking.
        4: And if he was joking, you didn’t get it, he’s too smart for you.
        5, 6, repeat.

        What happened was exactly what it looked like: A man who thinks he knows everything but actually knows nothing, bullshits wildly, saying stuff that was painfully dumb and dangerous because he is too lazy and stupid to have learned that household cleaners are poisonous.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  25th April 2020

          I just look at who took him seriously and who didn’t to know who is stupid, Ishmael.

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          • artcroft

             /  25th April 2020

            Hey, why all the hatred? Trump just an optimist. We all use a bit more hope in these times, and who knows, maybe, just maybe mainlining bleach will kill this thing. You never know.

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            • Corky

               /  25th April 2020

              To true, Arty. If you are out of brass, at least point your index finger at the opposing slinger. You never know, he may burst out laughing….and you may live another day to eat corn grits and slurp whiskey.

          • One of the worst aspects of right-wing Trumpagandists like Alan is that when the president says something nonsensical or ridiculous, their IMMEDIATE impulse is to police the reactions.

            They twist reality so that the story isn’t the actual president, it becomes anyone who points out Trump’s stupidity, while all the time giving a free pass to Trump’s endless lies and flip-flops.

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            • I’m sorry. I know we’re all hoping there will be a moment that snaps Trumpagandists like Alan out of their stupor, but it won’t happen. They’re in too deep. They’re too committed to being “right all the time” and “owning the libtards”.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  25th April 2020

              You know what they say about talking to yourself, Ishmael.

            • Corky

               /  25th April 2020

              ”Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad.”

              ps- Kitty. I’m not interested in learning the historical authorship of this quote. Thank you.

            • Quos (or quem) deus vult perdere, prius dementat.

              Euripides.

            • Corky

               /  25th April 2020

              Perhaps you should learn English first? That way you will understand when you aren’t wanted.🤐

              Supererit ad requisita.

            • I don’t know what you think that means, but it makes no sense.

              Nam risu inepto res, ineptior nulla est (there is nothing sillier than a silly laugh) Catullus

              You are hardly in a position to tell anyone else to learn English, especially an MA (Hons) . ‘To true’, ‘polticing’, mold’…….

            • Corky

               /  25th April 2020

              The ‘ ‘polticing’ was for Gezza. My little joke. Don’t know about mold. And wrecking the thread for one letter was a waste of time.

              MA with honours, huh? Probably true. Over educated with a lack of imagination..and no concept of logical deduction.

      • lurcher1948

         /  25th April 2020

        There are trumpies out there who follow Trumps every word even when it kills them, darwins law in action
        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/coronavirus-cure-kills-man-after-trump-touts-chloroquine-phosphate
        I hope the surviving wife stays away from disinfectant

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      • Blazer

         /  25th April 2020

        where the hell does that leave you…then?

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  25th April 2020

          Where I began, B. Ignoring what he says and watching what he does.

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          • Blazer

             /  25th April 2020

            That statement is dripping in irony.
            It reminds me of people who say they abhor ‘spending other peoples money ‘ ,yet their actions are totally…the opposite!

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  25th April 2020

              Actually, like many, I enjoy spending my own money, B, no matter what circuitous route it arrived by and no matter how many snarky Lefties handled it along the way.

            • Duker

               /  25th April 2020

              Spending your money ….please you structured your various business so as that paying taxes is a tiny impost.
              Ring fencing losses from negative gearing must have just started to bite…never fear Simon was going to remove that as part of his bonfire, but guess who will be most like to be put to the match instead.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  25th April 2020

              God, you and B are pathetic, Duker. Your braindead Lefty stereotypes are so wrong it’s just sad to think how they’ve made you the miserable envious snarky wreckage you so often display for us.

            • Blazer

               /  25th April 2020

              you’re right Al…lefty stereotypes are so…wrong.
              Your biggest wet dream must be to have so much wealth you need to offshore it to a Tax Haven.

              Envy is the standard retort from the greedy.
              Hell , Bush even reckoned he had to bomb countries that are envious of democracy and…freedom in the U.S.

    • Corky

       /  25th April 2020

      He was PROBABLY referencing something called MMS…promoted by someone called Jim Humble. I researched this 15 years ago, even bought some, had it lab tested and did more research online. Bottom line – I gave it a miss.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  25th April 2020

      I’m wondering if the experts from Wet&Forget might start on developing something soon in level 3…it could be a COVID-19 killer,and a world leader

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      • Corky

         /  25th April 2020

        Wet&Forget don’t use bleach according to them.Bleach just hides moss damage..and mold smell. If I remember correctly their big secret is humble Hydrogen Peroxide.

        Hold on..didn’t I post a clip of a doctor breathing diluted Hydrogen Peroxide?

        Lurchy, you have been a genius in hiding.🔱🔱🔱

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  2. Gezza

     /  25th April 2020

    Ozzy’s words seem apt for the day

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  3. David

     /  25th April 2020

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/121206976/prime-minister-needs-to-be-held-to-account-over-coronavirus-claims

    When the media are too scared of losing their government cheque they have to bring in a Massey University Professor to instruct them on how to do their job. I am with him on wanting to throw something at the telly when you hear the standard of questions the journalists ask, its like they are inquiring on how their mate is getting along.
    She is very adept at not allowing a follow up question from some and moves on incredibly swiftly while allowing numerous follow ups from more friendly ones. Great performer but our media need to be a little less in awe of her and do their job.

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    • Blazer

       /  25th April 2020

      Overheard some sheila Heather talking to a bloke named Barry last night.

      They didn’t show much respect for the Govt at all.

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      • Duker

         /  25th April 2020

        Pillow talk?
        Double whammy for them as they have had to accept pay cuts as media high flyers and the reno stores closed on their DIY house flips

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  25th April 2020

      I’m sorry to say that this event has proved that most of our journalists and editors are third rate incompetent with no future except as Govt PR hacks and clickbait churners. Shareholders in our media companies can kiss their money goodbye unless governments force Facebook and Google to pay for using their content.

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      • Blazer

         /  25th April 2020

        ‘governments force Facebook and Google to pay for using their content.’

        But that would be ..Communism,wouldn’t it..Al?

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  25th April 2020

          Yes, just like paying thousands of journalists directly as already happens.

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          • Blazer

             /  25th April 2020

            ‘There is no bigger a socialist as a capitalist in financial distress.’ Geoff Nieuwelaar, Whangarei.

            Hard to disagree with this eh…Al!

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  25th April 2020

              No. Most of the most successful people have experienced failure, coped and tried again. Except socialists. Once they’ve tasted failure they can’t resist it. Then they snark at everyone else.

            • Blazer

               /  25th April 2020

              this ‘success’ how is it defined/measured Al…over.

          • Duker

             /  25th April 2020

            “just like paying thousands of journalists directly as already happens.”
            Well yes they are getting wage subsidies just like YOU are- which obviously has turned you into a government mouth piece.
            The $50 mill was essential transmission fees and licenses which hardly affects print journos.
            They may be terrible but now is no different from last year or indeed 9 years under Editor In Chief John Key…who famously would stop at nothing when some thing that played him in a bad light was published, even in one instance going via his lackeys to the Board of Fairfax

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            • Gezza

               /  25th April 2020

              Huh? Sounds like a rumour. Got any more specific detail on that?

            • Blazer

               /  25th April 2020

              ‘the Campbell brand having stood for something as it fought for the underdog and took on a Government that over the last few years consistently turned down numerous invitations to appear on the show to battle it out with the passionate host.’

              ‘https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/68750151/the-sad-end-of-john-campbell

            • Gezza

               /  25th April 2020

              He was offered a co-host position, but Campbell said no. Who can blame the host who has been at the helm for more than a decade? It would have been too humiliating to stay on in a show that previously bore your name on it …

              But the writing was on the wall as the show was rumouredto be too pink in its persuasion by friends of John Key, high up in the echelons of MediaWorks.

              I never watch tv1’s Breakfast. His ever so earnest over-the-top-posturing, his irritating hand-waving, his frowny “serious face” & his OTT cultivated concern about everything I find nauseating tbh.

            • Duker

               /  25th April 2020

              Agree on that about Campbell… that whole celebrity presenter –story teller thing makes me laugh . Its really no different than Hosking and his mealy mouthed comments

              The time Key went to the Board was very early on when a journo reported ( by using a tape recorder) that Key said he wanted wages to drop. The whole barrage of steps leading to the Board pressure was how the guy worked in the background making sure all the pressure points were pushed.
              https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10493629
              “Amid many questions in a press statement today headed “Has National muzzled the press?” he asks why the Herald is publishing a “correction” ahead of a Bay Report “correction” on the story.”

              getting the press journos to plump his pillows was his speciality
              https://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10496554
              Any other pollies its up to them to navigate the rapids of ‘incorrect stories’

            • Gezza

               /  25th April 2020

              I remember coming across an embedded little interview of Sir John Key by Tracey Watkins over coffees in a café somewhere. I can’t remember what it was about, possibly just a general one, but her questions were tame & she was lapping up getting a little intimate exclusive interview.

              He was calm, smiling, his answers were relaxed & soothing stuff. Basically he was charming.

              Then, towards the end, I watched, fascinated, as Tracey took her glasses off & put them down on the table, & she fluttered her eyelids at him frequently during the rest of the interview. I think it was probsbly unconscious (but who knows), & nobody else noted or commented on it, but I remember thinking that if Bronagh saw that interview she wouldn’t have missed that, & she’d be be bloody angry with Watkins.

    • David, the writer is a senior lecturer,not a professor.

      But he makes some excellent points about the PM’s waffling.

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      • Duker

         /  25th April 2020

        So what , thats shes using puffery …which every politician does all the time . Now its crime?

        Bridges regularly gets told his narratives contain falsities

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  4. Moving away from sunlight and disinfectant for a moment (as Trump and his cheerleaders would dearly love to do) this revelation about Trump personally owing tens of millions to the Bank of China is the most problematic conflict of interest I’ve seen.

    The Bank of China is a state-owned bank, controlled by China’s State Council, the country’s major administrative body, chaired by the Premier Li Keqiang.

    The leverage this presents is astonishing. What if the Bank of China cancels the loan, or requires Trump to pay it back earlier than when it falls due in 2022? Is this why Trump has consistently praised Xi? Does this cause him to temper his policies or his public remarks? This raises so many questions.

    The next time Trump breathes a single word about Biden and China, remember this: Trump is up to his eyeballs in debt to the Bank of China…and the loan is due soon.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/24/trump-biden-china-debt-205475

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  25th April 2020

      The morthage loan is to the 70% owner of the building, not to Trump personally. Fake news.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  25th April 2020

        And the Chinese bank’s share is only 20% of the total mortgage. Another puerile Lefty media beat up.

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      • Blazer

         /  25th April 2020

        Onya Al,your hero is squeaky clean.

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      • Duker

         /  25th April 2020

        Vornado owns 70% and manages the building . Trump owns the remaining 30% of the building , not via Vorndao. Trump doesnt do silent partner deals.

        if you are going to loan money to a huge real estate asset like this you are going to have to deal directly with both owners
        “Anyone who continues to say the president is not a billionaire needs to focus on these assets, where his stake is worth an estimated $900 million after debt. That’s twice as much as all his golf properties put together, 5 times as much as his famous branding and management business, 6 times as much as Mar-a-Lago and 17 times as much as his stake in his D.C. hotel
        And the real funny part
        “Lucky for him. The plan he called a “tragic mistake” and fought to block ended up being one of the best deals of his life. ”
        “Vornado’s billionaire chief executive, Steven Roth. In May 2007, Vornado bought out the Hong Kong investors’ 70% stake,

        https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2019/03/07/trumps-secret-windfall-the-crown-jewels-of-his-fortune-are-2-skyscrapers-he-didnt-wantand-doesnt-control/
        Forbes aint no lefty rag

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  5. Gezza

     /  25th April 2020

    A cool, breezy overcast dawn morphed into a nice sunny & warm if still breezy day by late morning in Noth Welly.

    I’m having a day off from home projects today (unless I get a spur of the moment urge to finish one I’ve started).

    I decided to drive up to ma’s place and do the little streamside nature walk there. Videoed it as I walked it. My stream is just as lovely up her way, maybe even prettier, with all the natural rocks, & pools, & the ngahere it runs thru.

    Anyway, on my way back I encountered a lot of traffic. Cars on the road about 3 or 4 times what’s been the normal volume of automobiles since the level 4 lockdown was imposed on us. And they’re not going to the supermarkets.

    I think people’s patience might be reaching their allowable limit.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  25th April 2020

      Probably driving to their gates as ordered, G.

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    • Duker

       /  25th April 2020

      The reverse …once level 3 was announced many people assumed it had become thus.
      In my little fief , when Im upstairs able to see whos coming and going, and I stepped out on the private road to ask about their essential travel , they seemed to have deemed themselves such because …
      A certain ‘high born type’ I might add seemed to be the common factor

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      • Gezza

         /  25th April 2020

        Well one would expect that on a private road.

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        • Duker

           /  25th April 2020

          No , I know the cars . They dont live here.
          And its private in the sense of upkeep is covered by owners and doesnt go anywhere. Not that its as salubrious that you may be used to

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          • Gezza

             /  25th April 2020

            I think you would be embarrassed at how foolish you’d look if you could actually see my “Manor” & my “Bentley”. And all the work that I have had to do & still am doing on it. The first owner of my place was a moron who did his own DIY – badly in every case, using any free materials he could get his hands on, & he didn’t finish anything. I’m doing the same thing, often by taking his mess apart & starting again. But I’m taking my time & doing it properly.

            It’s in an unremarkable street with a mix of young, middle-aged & elderly residents. My neighbours on one side are Chinese, Sri Lankan on the other. The rest are a mixed bag of owners & renters. I just love the location.

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            • Are you sure that the Bentley isn’t a Rolls-Canardley?

              I wouldn’t have thought that many Kiwis would be ‘high-born’, although a Duchess lives in Matamata.

            • Gezza

               /  25th April 2020

              The simple fact is – if you want to live in a nice place, make it a nice place.

              Some of my tools are hand tools & they’re older than me. Some of the flashest or best-looking items in my wardrobe came from the Salvation Army Family Store, or other Op shops.

              I’m no snob. I’d rather buy clobber from a charity than a top end store, like my mum did. I only care if it looks good, don’t care where it came from or how much it cost.

              If I could afford a merc or bmw I’d buy a mitsi or a toyota. No interest in showing off; happy to leave that to tossers who can’t be happy unless the fools think they’re making other people envious.

              I don’t give a bugger whether someone is a millionaire, a lawyer or a road worker. All I care about is whether they’re a nice person or a shit.

  6. lurcher1948

     /  25th April 2020

    Worth a try
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWa3eJHXYAA0-HG?format=jpg&name=large
    its true isn’t it PG shit this idiot could kill the entire world pushing the wrong button why spraypainting his face.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  25th April 2020

      I’m impressed VERY impressed with our host PG, bow, bow you pheasants posters he runs it, he gets a bit annoyed at my rants and im moderated to save your delicate ears but THIS BLOG IS NOT A HATE FILLED ECHO CHAMBER,filled with mindless hate,so long may the old fart from Dunedin exis,a great bunch of posterst
      opps if PGs annoyed at being called an old fart im 71 SORRY,getover it

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  25th April 2020

    I’m impressed VERY impressed with our host PG, bow, bow you pheasants posters he runs it, he gets a bit annoyed at my rants and im moderated to save your delicate ears but THIS BLOG IS NOT A HATE FILLED ECHO CHAMBER,filled with mindless hate,so long may the old fart from Dunedin exist,a great bunch of posters
    opps if PGs annoyed at being called an old fart im 71 SORRY,getover it

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  25th April 2020

      There is little as satisfying as a well-directed old fart, Lurch.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  25th April 2020

        A good retort Alan, you are such a bundle of joy…the face of failure, the national party

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  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  25th April 2020

    Beautiful evening here. Took Gemma for a more adventurous walk at Tapeka over the bluff to the semi private beach below Eagles Nest. Requires a rope decent on the other side with a 2m ladder at the bottom. Naturally Gemma couldn’t climb back up that so it required some dog bum heaving. This is the beach:

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    • Gezza

       /  25th April 2020

      Super. I love how you’ve done that back & forth panning, view Al.

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      • Gezza

         /  25th April 2020

        Comma went in the wrong place. Gonna shut down & reboot the FiP! It’s throwing wobblies when I type.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  25th April 2020

      Alan put your dog on a diet,i HATE FATTIES,a thin fit dog is a fast dog for agility, the rest are FAT OVERWEIGHT LABRADORS, and i hate FAT labradors,,you have one Alan

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  25th April 2020

        I know she eats too much, Lurch. Hard to give her enough exercise at present. And me.

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        • lurcher1948

           /  25th April 2020

          A hint Alan get a set of scales,cut your lardos food back to a healthy diet, you will save dollars and your fatties guts wont touch the floor..my dogs are fitter, AND ARE NOT LABRADORS…they are REAL dogs working,fit agility types

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          • Conspiratoor

             /  26th April 2020

            Just curious lurch, do you hand feed your dogs from the table while you’re eating?

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  9. lurcher1948

     /  25th April 2020

    Here’s a good question, has the USA on their own ever won a wàr/ military confrontation since 1945,the USA seem to be a country of losers and CHINÀ have noticed how useless the yanks are

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