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  1. Gezza

     /  27th April 2020

    This morning’s dawnbreak at Pookden Manor. 6.49 am

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  27th April 2020

      As my first wife used to say, “If I painted it no-one would believe it.”

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      • Duker

         /  27th April 2020

        I remember some one saying about beautiful places to visit overseas that usually were only average by NZ standards.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  27th April 2020

          I liked the one about the Kiwi farmer looking at the Matterhorn and saying, “She’d be a bugger to muster.”

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      • Blazer

         /  27th April 2020

        your ex wife was clearly…very..smart.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  27th April 2020

          I wouldn’t have married her and lived with her for 45 years otherwise, B.

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      • I have also said that about the painting, Alan. I remember once coming out of someone’s house after a thunderstorm and the sky was orange, grey, turquoise and pink, colours no sane person would put together….and they looked wonderful. It was years ago, but I can still see them.

        I have seen views from farmhouses here that were standard NZ farmhouse views but were very beautiful. The view from my front window is hills and trees as there is a farm opposite, and I never tire of it. The people who sold the house to us had heavy net curtains which came down on the first day. It was like having nets on a painting.

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    • Gezza

       /  27th April 2020

      Yay ! Rain’s arrived ! Thank you Jacinda. 🙂

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      • Rain ? Is that when water comes out of the sky ? We had some once, I think.

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        • Gezza

           /  27th April 2020

          We had about 15 minutes of respectable rain; it’s been sparse or non-existent since. She must’ve put Phil in charge.

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        • Blazer

           /  27th April 2020

          ‘We’ve had our cabbage stolen. Looks like someone has walked in and helped themselves to some we had out the front of our place. Not the first time, but luckily last time I caught the elderly woman doing it.’…Neighbourly….

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  2. Griff.

     /  27th April 2020

    Global coronavirus death toll could be 60% higher than reported.
    https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c

    The death toll from coronavirus may be almost 60 per cent higher than reported in official counts, according to an FT analysis of overall fatalities during the pandemic in 14 countries.

    Mortality statistics show 122,000 deaths in excess of normal levels across these locations, considerably higher than the 77,000 official Covid-19 deaths reported for the same places and time periods.

    To calculate excess deaths, the FT has compared deaths from all causes in the weeks of a location’s outbreak in March and April 2020 to the average for the same period between 2015 and 2019. The total of 122,000 amounts to a 50 per cent rise in overall mortality relative to the historical average for the locations studied.

    In all the countries analysed except Denmark, excess deaths far outnumbered the official coronavirus death tolls.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  27th April 2020

      How many of these excess deaths are indirect because people aren’t getting proper treatment for other things because of the virus lockdowns and fears? The UK thinks there are a lot.

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  3. David

     /  27th April 2020

    Where are these new covid 19 infections coming from each day, we have been locked down for over a month so someone is breaking the rules or they are health professionals or essential worker infections.
    Who knows but it would be nice if one of the stenographers in the media could ask a proper question and drill down on what is going on. It would be nice if we had a health minister who could have a proper interview and we could drill down into the NZ only experiment of the criteria for probable cases, maybe it could be published but at the moment some are people who were ill a few weeks ago who may have been in touch with an infected person but are testing negative, that seems ridiculous.

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    • Blazer

       /  27th April 2020

      is it another sign that Capitalism isn’t being allowed to work….’properly’!

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    • Duker

       /  27th April 2020

      Good questions Stuff seem to cover it here but only seems to show up on tablet/phone

      https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2020/coronavirus-covid-19-clusters/
      The new cases seem to be linked to existing clusters and unknowns are some people are lying about their activities during lockdown

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      • David

         /  27th April 2020

        I read that one, the question it left me with was the Air New Zealand problem. The crew dont have to quarantine obviously but it looks like a high risk area that isnt being properly managed or at least it wasnt.
        The air crew guy who started the infections at the Bluff wedding was gargling salt water so it appears he wasnt strictly following the rules and obviously didnt want to miss the wedding. If I was the health minister I would be having AirNZ having a very very small staff of hand picked people who would crew the few international flights still operating, would not want to see them keeping a larger staff with reduced hours. With foreign flagged planes the crews should be escorted to a quarantined hotel, kept locked down and escorted back in the morning or better still fly a spare crew in for the return leg.
        The border is the weak spot.

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        • duperez

           /  27th April 2020

          I read the air crew guy quoted as saying he was gargling salt water because of a tooth issue.

          The whats and wherefores of a simple act can be told and interpreted in millions of ways. Then someone will come up with it not actually being salt water or someone else saying he’d been gargling salt water for a week.

          And any smidgen gets built into a narrative and spread in a similar fashion to that shown in graphic model from months back of the exponential spread of the virus.

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          • Duker

             /  27th April 2020

            Later reports had 30 Air NZ staff with Covid 19

            They are good at keeping that as a ‘clusterf%$’ out the health reports, probably hidden as ‘overseas’ but as a single employer that should have its own name

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  27th April 2020

      The model I’m running assumes the identified cases self isolate completely from the time they are identified. It’s also showing the number of infectious cases not self isolated falling to zero. That still leaves a small residue of pre-infectious unidentified cases working themselves out together with suspected cases being confirmed.

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  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  27th April 2020

    Cool and misty this morning with Mt Tikitikioure looking quite volcanic

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  27th April 2020

    Stuff golf old mans sport;,a real sport that i love DOG AGILITY,but it will return with larger female competitors,pre dieting,but JESS will jump(JESS a farm rescued tri coloured heading dog) rescued off a farm on the north side of Masterton
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWkhHzeUYAAV57y?format=jpg&name=small

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  6. Gezza

     /  27th April 2020

    I remarked on YNZ on Anzac Day that there were 3 or 4 times the volume of automobile traffic on the Main Road & streets of Tawa when I was driving to & from ma’s place that day. I figured maybe people’s patience with being stuck at home was running out.

    I’ve some small DIY jobs to do at ma’s & I’m checking her letterbox regularly, so I’ve been to her house yesterday & again today, around midday. I noticed that car traffic has returned to the normal very low numbers of vehicles on the road. People still seem to be complying with the level 4 stay round home/don’t travel “expectation”.

    Wonder why Anzac day saw so many more cars out & about?

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    • I have no idea why there would be an Anzac Day burst of traffic. I have no idea what traffic was like here on Anzac Day or any other day lately – I see and hear virtually no traffic from where I live (and like it like that). Yesterday it sounded like a neighbour had a delivery of firewood, and I’ve seen one other vehicle in the last two or three days.

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    • I forgot about the traffic webcams. A little bit of traffic in Roslyn and Stuart Street but very light.

      The Andy Bay/motorway intersection and the start of the southern motorway, one vehicle.

      Motorway at Lookout Point towards Caversham, 1 vehicle.

      Octagon 1 car driving, 3 parked.

      No traffic, 1 car parked at St Clair esplanade (weather is damp) – normally hard to get a park there.

      Leith Saddle Northern Motorway – two trucks and three cars with pics at 4 minute intervals over 1 hour 20 minutes.

      So not much happening in Dunedin traffic wise.

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      • Gezza

         /  27th April 2020

        Yes, looks like most folk round here are behaving themselves. Lots of happy-looking wives & mums at having the man of the house out walking or bicycling with them and/or the little kids – used to be the girl friends.

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        • Plenty of people will have suffered hardship over the lockdown, but many people will also have benefited from it in some ways and enjoyed some benefits.

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          • The benefits are unlikely to outweigh the hardships. Going for a walk will be a poor consolation for becoming unemployed or going bankrupt.

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            • Gezza

               /  27th April 2020

              Mightn’t turn out as bad as the gloomtellers say

            • I don’t see economists as gloom merchants.

              It’s obvious that no country can survive indefinitely without a labour force and customers for businesses. The sources for borrowing won’t be infinite, either, and will want their money back.

    • Corky

       /  27th April 2020

      His finger will not start a nuclear war, no matter how many times he stabbs at the red marble button.

      I want you to relax, Lurchy. It’s a big day for you tommmorrow. The ferals will be on the street again. One mistake and you will find your scooter up on blocks…with the wheels listed on Trademe an hour later. You will need to bid for your own wheels. Lol!

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      • The red button is an urban myth, as everyone should know. As is Lurch’s supposed scooter.

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        • Corky

           /  27th April 2020

          Pretend we are talking generically. He actually uses a key and a code. Lurcher’s scooter is real…it’s as real as he is. Watch TV One News.

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  7. Corky

     /  27th April 2020

    Hmm, this is a strange one. Doesn’t seem to be much profit in the sale. I’m sure as a wealthy RIGHTIE he will have considered all financial ramifications of any move he makes.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/real-estate/121284015/sir-john-key-buys-waterfront-sydney-pad-and-lists-it-next-day

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    • Not really; they had bought it ‘off the plan’ so would have been committed to it although things had changed for them, as the article says. Not strange at all. You made it sound as if they had bought it and sold it again a day later, which is not the case.

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      • Corky

         /  27th April 2020

        Yes, I considered that. My contention was the price…not that things had changed for Key. That was obvious.

        Maybe I’m over thinking this. Maybe just getting his money back and flicking the property was his only priority?

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    • Blazer

       /  27th April 2020

      Key was expecting to be spending more time in Australia as C.E.O of ANZ Aus.
      Passed over,but could still make a mil on flicking it without living in it.
      No surprise of why he helped ramp the NZ property market for 8 years is it?

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      • He said that even if the Government could regulate house prices they wouldn’t, as it would be grossly unfair to people who owned houses to force them into negative equity (that means that the house would be worth less than they paid for it, but they would be paying the mortgage on the higher price)

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    • Gezza

       /  27th April 2020

      Funny meme neighbour. 😀

      Had to downtivk you for personal abuse of other posters though.,Wake your ideas up please.

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      • Gezza

         /  27th April 2020

        FiP! *downtick.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  27th April 2020

        GEZZA,GET OVER IT NEIGHBOUR, as a Wellingtonian i don’t give a rats fu*k
        ps proofread also NEVER say sorry, exposes a weakness

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        • Gezza

           /  27th April 2020

          Cut the crap. Wellingtonians have class. You’re posting like an Aucklander.
          With you on the proofreading. Get started on it today.

          PS: Only scaredy cat numbnuts never apologise when they’re wrong or they’ve made a cock up. Man up & say sorry or be a wuss.

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  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  27th April 2020

    The UK splits into three groups: accepting, suffering, resisting. Most of those accepting are not adversely affected:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/27/lockdown-tribe-british-split-accept-suffer-resist/

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