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  1. Barbara McKenzie

     /  28th April 2020

    .From “The Truth (and Lies) about Coronavirus” Primary Author: David Williams, MD

    https://600wrec.iheart.com/content/2020-04-23-coronavirus-truths-and-lies/

    TRUTH: COVID-19 is an actual medical disease that will lead to tragic deaths. Although this seems obvious, it should be clear that no one involved wishes to express anything but sympathy to those affected and their families. Respiratory failure is a terrible way to die. That is true if that death is due to asthma, COPD, pneumonia, influenza, smoke inhalation, cystic fibrosis, ALS, or COVID-19.

    LIE:We don’t know much about coronavirus.This is one of the media’s favorite lies. It is much scarier if it is unknown. We know that coronavirus is a zoonotic disease. In other words, it’s natural hosts are birds and animals as opposed to humans. We vaccinate domestic animals for them. We know that four forms cause colds every year. We know it mutates and evolves just like the flu. We know it sometimes becomes deadly as it has in SARS and MERS. We have done medical studies on coronavirus as a coexisting illness in patients in the past.

    LIE:COVID-19 is more infectious than influenza.This is one of two lies most often quoted by the millions who call national radio programs or post on social media. It is amazing how many people with absolutely no medical training somehow feel qualified to comment on this disease. Now, we want to be more fair than the national media so we are obligated to report there will never be a study where 1,000 people eat after people with the flu and 1,000 others eat after people with COVID-19 to see which one is more infectious. But the evidence is overwhelming. COVID-19 was first identified late December/early January. A little over three and a half months in, we have slightly over 2 million confirmed cases globally. By comparison, according to the National Center for Biotechnology Information (Google Influenza Update- NCBI), influenza is responsible for up to a billion infections annually. Flu season is basically from the start of October until April. At the flu’s three and a half month mark, that works out to 583 million cases globally. Even accounting for the fact COVID-19 is underreported that is a HUGE difference.

    However, there is even further evidence influenza is more infectious. Drawing from our own (meaning everyone reading this) experiences, when influenza gets started in a daycare or elementary school, they often have to be closed for a short time because otherwise everyone gets it. All the kids, workers, teachers, and parents. The most students in one class we could remember was 23 of 25 out at the same time with the flu. Certainly, daycare classes in both Tuscaloosa and Jefferson counties have been closed this year. Contrast that to what you know about coronavirus. The NBA tested hundreds of players, staff, and media to come up with 14 cases. The vast majority did not contract the virus at all. The most extreme case in terms of possible COVID-19 exposure we could find was the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt. If you have never toured a military ship, space is at a premium. Very tight and crowded conditions. Secondary to this, hundreds of crew would become infected. So 4,800 men and women were exposed to multiple individuals with the virus several times a day, day after day. Despite that constant exposure, 4,140 (or over 86%) of those sailors would never even contract the disease.

    To address the possible rebuttals, it is absolutely true we don’t know the true number of COVID-19 cases. It doesn’t make the average person under 60 sick so we will never account for all of those. However, it doesn’t even infect the average person with a healthy immune system who comes in contact with it, so the number can only be so high. It is true that testing has not been available everywhere the entire three and a half months but we are making up for that by testing generously now. Locally, DCH had tested 3,105 by April 17, 2,958 of which were negative.

    LIE:COVID-19 is more dangerous than influenza.The second lie of the medically uninformed. Even among those who do contract COVID-19, most under 60, including virtually everyone under 21, will never know they had it. On the USS Theodore Roosevelt, 60% were asymptomatic. Of the 2 million people who have tested positive for COVID-19 globally, most have had mild to no symptoms. By the three and half month mark of flu season, the flu had resulted in over 2 million severe cases requiring hospitalization. Influenza results in 290,000 to 670,000 deaths annually. COVID-19 deaths will be discussed below.

    LIE:The fact one doesn’t know he or she has COVID-19 makes it more dangerous.All viruses shed and are primarily spread while the infected host is asymptomatic. Repeat, all viruses do this. We use the term virulence to describe how dangerous a virus is. The more virulent, the more likely to cause infection or more severe symptoms. One’s chance of becoming infected with anything is multifactorial. In other words, lots of things come into play. The infectiousness and quantity of the pathogen comes into play. Your level of rest, nutrition, stress, age, and general health come into play as well. In the case of influenza, if you contract it you are going to get sick. There will never be a time where the NBA tests hundreds of players and staff to find 14 cases of influenza – two with mild symptoms and twelve with no symptoms. If you get influenza, even if you are Michael Jordan (who had perhaps the most famous flu game of all time), you are going to know. That is because the flu is so virulent that in 24 to 48 hours it overwhelms even the immune system of a healthy adult and you develop symptoms. But in that 24 hours it is multiplying, everyone around you is at risk. Depending on the exact exposure, the risk goes from high probability to certainty of contracting. For instance, if a high school student kisses their boyfriend or girlfriend during that day, they are getting the flu, period. But COVID-19 is so much less virulent it usually never overcomes the immune system of a healthy adult. Yes, they will shed this virus for up to 2 weeks, but most people around them still won’t get it. Since we are in West Alabama, let’s use a football example. Think of the healthy adult immune system as Alabama’s 2019 football team. Influenza is LSU’s 2019 football team. It only took one exposure to LSU to record a loss. COVID-19 is closer to Arkansas’ 2019 football team, maybe Ole Miss. Alabama could have played them 14 times and were less likely to lose than the one game with LSU. It is possible to record a loss, with some fumbles and a blocked punt, etc. but way less likely.

    TRUTH:COVID-19 is more dangerous to the elderly and immunocompromised.

    TRUTH:That doesn’t really mean anything in and of itself because everything is more dangerous to those unfortunate individuals.It does mean we should try to protect those individuals from infections in general.

    TRUTH:It is now almost impossible for anyone in the general public or general medical community to know the actual number of deaths from COVID-19.That is because sometime in March US hospitals started testing all ER patients and every patient who died, regardless of cause of death, for COVID-19. Those patients are being included by the media in COVID-19 death tolls. Yes, a victim of a car accident brought to a US ER who passes away will be tested for COVID-19. Two of the most egregious examples of misrepresentation involve infants. One of the fascinating things about coronaviruses from a medical standpoint is children are almost universally immune to deleterious effects. A study from back in 2004-2005 was conducted in which swabs were done in both controls and children hospitalized for respiratory illness. The incidence of coronavirus was the same for controls and hospitalized children and the conclusion was HCoV (coronavirus) infection was not associated with hospitalization or with increased severity of illness in those hospitalized due to other infections. Search NIH if you want to review these findings. Obviously, COVID-19 is not included in that study since it was first identified recently. However, COVID-19 has not been associated with pediatric illness anywhere. Not China, South Korea, Italy, or Spain. So on March 29 when BuzzFeed.News and an Illinois paper, The Guardian, led with the headline “The First Infant Has Died In The US After Testing Positive For The Coronavirus,” it caught our attention. The article goes on to say the infant’s death was announced by Governor JB Pritzker and, depending on which article you read, either Pritzker, or Dr. Ngozi Ezike, director of the Illinois Department of Public Health, said: “If you haven’t been paying attention (to COVID-19), maybe this is your wake-up call.” On April 2, CBS News reported Connecticut Governor Ned Lamont had announced “It is with heartbreaking sadness today that we can confirm the first pediatric fatality in Connecticut linked to COVID-19.” He went on to say it was likely one of the youngest deaths from the disease “anywhere.” The problem is neither death has actually been attributed to COVID-19. On April 3, the Hartford Courant correctly clarified that all patients who die in Connecticut hospitals were being tested for the virus, regardless of manner of death, and that Connecticut’s Chief Medical Examiner had not ruled COVID-19 to be the infant’s cause of death. Just yesterday, April 18, NBC 5 Chicago reported Chicago Department of Public Health Commissioner Dr. Allison Arwady said it is preliminarily believed the infant in Illinois did not die from coronavirus.

    New York is also a source of great misinformation. On March 22, Sky News ran footage of a hospital in Italy. On March 25, CBS This Morning ran the same footage. However, they claimed it was filmed in New York. Citizen reporters by the dozens have recorded empty testing tents and idle ambulance crews when the national media has reported hours long waits at the same testing sites and overstretched ambulance crews. You can find those videos on Youtube, although they don’t always make it easy. But there are enough people interested in getting the truth out there they are consistently reposted. At the time of publishing this link was successfulhttps://youtu.be/MOBKyCY2esw.On April 14, the New York Times reported New York City officials at the Health Department had increased its death toll by 3,700 who NEVER TESTED POSITIVE for the virus. They were “presumed” to have died from it.
    [etc]

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    • Covid-19 is a far more complex issue than classifying things you agree with as ‘truth’ and things you don’t agree with as ‘lies’.

      The article even tries to copyright ‘truths’: COPYRIGHT © 2020 CORONAVIRUS TRUTHS

      The final claim:

      REVISED April 23, 2020. For those who question whether I am truly anti-fear, as opposed to having another agenda, President Trump disagreed “strongly” with Georgia Governor Brian Kemp’s decisions to reopen certain businesses in his state. I strongly agree with Governor Kemp.

      That really confirms he is the sole judge of truth and lies?

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    • The article starts with:

      Primary Author: David Williams, MD

      This is being written on April 19, 2020. Although there is a central author, it is being written on behalf of multiple physicians in West Alabama and will be distributed through multiple medical offices. Between us we have well over a hundred years of practice and have treated hundreds of thousands of patients suffering infectious diseases.

      And:

      First, most of our patients now realize there is something “funny” about the coverage and handling of this disease.

      That appears to have been stretching ‘truth’. At the bottom of the article:

      ADDENDUM:I would like to address a few of the concerns and criticisms this document has received. I am changing from we to I because I am speaking only for myself.

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    • This is the first ‘lie’ claimed:

      LIE: We don’t know much about coronavirus. This is one of the media’s favorite lies. It is much scarier if it is unknown.

      This is a vague and nonsensical claim.

      No evidence or references have been given. A google search in News of “We don’t know much about coronavirus” returns just 7 hits.

      And, while quite a bit was already known about coronaviruses (I haven’t seen anyone say otherwise) there was a lot unknown about the specifics of Covid-19, and there is still important things that are unknown or not clearly known. Research on Covid-19 is a work in progress.

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  2. Corky

     /  28th April 2020

    Mikey had one of his best morning sessions ever. I learn’t more this morning with his overview of the world situation, and NZs in particular, than any other source I have perused.
    Right down to Dyson not making anymore ventilators.

    He then finished things off interviewing the PM, in an interview that may change the governments fortunes. The PM would not condemn Maori road blocks…in fact she doesn’t have a problem with them if you read between the lines. And then she shrugged off Deborah Russell’s latest Talk Radio outburst on Fridays Radio Drive show.

    Conclusion: She has to go for the good of our country. Hang on in there, Simon. You may sleep walk into being the next PM…provided you keep your enemies close.

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    • Blazer

       /  28th April 2020

      ‘ than any other source I have perused.’….formidable Le Corque!
      surely not better than…’Magic’!
      Take the dogge for a walk and clear yo…head.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  28th April 2020

      Corky when Nick Smith turns on your hero,Somon Bridges you can tell the end is near…as for the Maori who cares,only elderly white male righties,they are just taking care of their communities.As a after thought dont hang onto every word Hosking says it will do your head in.

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    • duperez

       /  28th April 2020

      My eyes weren’t properly open, the device small. I thought “Why bring Baldwin Street into it when talking of Simon’s chances?”

      Turns out you said ‘sleep walk’ not ‘steep walk.’

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  3. Blazer

     /  28th April 2020

    It stokes the C19 as a smokescreen for financial collapse theory quite well.
    Handling this pandemic will always endorse the better to be safe than sorry option.
    It is a useful dissertation all the same.

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  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  28th April 2020

    Ishmael’s fake news about Trump owing money to China was even more fake than we thought:
    https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/25/politico-updated-article-claiming-donald-trump-owes-millions-bank-of-china/

    Never underestimate the lying Left’s ability to keep on keeping on.

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    • Blazer

       /  28th April 2020

      Do the Right ever tell lies Al…or is only the..Left?

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    • Gezza

       /  28th April 2020

      Doesn’t bother me one way or the other. I don’t read all Ishmael’s stuff & I never read that one. I find Trump’s endless lying more interesting.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  28th April 2020

        I don’t as you know. Boris is back with another speech from No 10 but a big job to unscramble the almighty screw-ups the NHS has made in his absence. And Germany seems to be unravelling a bit with shortages of PPE.

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        • Blazer

           /  28th April 2020

          Blaming the NHS in his absence….!Hilarious …Boris is another wannabe Trump with a plummy accent.
          Als heroes Trump,Jones,Johnson….says a lot about…character.

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    • IF the Daily Caller article is correct then that’s unacceptable reporting from Politico.

      Given Tucker Carlson’s Daily Caller is a far-right source that “needs to be fact-checked on a per article basis”* I’m less inclined to be concerned about Politico.

      * https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-caller/

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      • Pink David

         /  28th April 2020

        I’m surprised you have not posted about Tara Reade. Has the #believeallwomen moment pased?

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      • MaureenW

         /  28th April 2020

        What is “far right”?
        What is “far right” about the Daily Caller?
        How come you don’t “fact-check” the rubbish you link to before posting it here?

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    • Duker

       /  28th April 2020

      “POLITICO reported that the Trump Organization is a party to a loan that includes the Bank of China,” a Politico spokesperson said. “This was based on multiple publicly available documents, including a 2017 filing with the city of New York that remains current through 2022
      apparently the error was the Bank of China’s but they hedged about details of any further details
      “We also noted that the Bank of China described the 2017 public filing as a ‘technical error.’ It did not agree to provide documentation to support their assertion it has no ‘ownership interest’ in ‘that loan’ or any other loan.”

      Then there is this in Trump Tower
      ‘The largest American office of China’s largest bank sits on the 20th floor of Trump Tower, six levels below the desk where Donald Trump built an empire and wrested a presidency..Trump Tower officially lists the tenant as the Industrial & Commercial Bank of China, but make no mistake who’s paying the rent:
      https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2018/02/13/trump-conflicts-of-interest-tenants-donald-business-organization-real-estate-assets-pay/

      is that a lefty rag Wilco?

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  5. david in aus

     /  28th April 2020

    One positive from the covid19 lockdown has been the improved education in our family.

    My children’s school is one of the best private schools in Australia, they are there due to the lack of a good local public alternative. Nevertheless, learning and engagement have increased via online learning. This is to the extent the school is planning on continuing the successful aspects after the return to school. It was interesting to see my children and all their classmates with headphones online attending.

    The children actually seem to have longer working days and more feedback from their teacher. The children upload their work and the teachers can see if the kids have mastered the concepts. We have discussions with the teacher, online, at around 4-5 pm to see how they are traveling. They are thinking of keeping the online classes for children/parents to refer back to.

    I have colleagues with children in public schools, they haven’t been so effusive. Neglect and worksheets seem to be the theme. This is especially challenging for children with behavioural issues.

    The great lockdown will likely increase the differences between educational outcomes between schools. It would be really interesting to see the educational results a few years down the track.

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    • duperez

       /  28th April 2020

      The impacts of online schooling have hardly been realised. One unfortunate side effect will be an adult having to be at home with kids during the day. On the positive side the kids won’t have to be dropped off and picked up each morning and afternoon. Some parts of Auckland will be a lot easier to navigate. Those F-Paces and Bentaygas take up a lot of space.

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  6. What is going on here? Is Trump high as a kite?

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  7. NOEL

     /  28th April 2020

    Prior to Covid19 meta analysis of the benefit of air travel quarantine were accompanied by the disclaimer “because of so few studies”.
    Bet that’s going to change.

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  8. Trump is even unhappy with Fox News now, because not all of them are acting as his personal promoters:

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    • duperez

       /  28th April 2020

      Be grateful Pete, Trump just said if anyone else had been President the USA would have been at war with North Korea.

      When the Covid-19 update can give us that great news surely we have to be very happy! 🙃

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  9. duperez

     /  28th April 2020

    An old American TV series Naked City finished its episodes with the narrator saying, “There are eight million stories in the Naked City, this has been one.”

    There are more than eight million scientists and physicians in the world. David Williams, MD is one of them. They all have opinions.

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  10. Corky

     /  28th April 2020

    I see Aussie PM, Scott Morrison’s approval rating has soared. This chap must have a guardian angel.

    Meanwhile in Aotearoa, special funding for Maori to cover health issues has proven to not really be needed. We must face the fact that by default, this government will give funding to Maori above that of other citizens, just to keep them quiet and to fulfil their expectations of lush funding.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  28th April 2020

      The lush funding is for their “leadership”. The plebs see nothing.

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      • I met a Tainui man whose daughter was told that as a Tainui she could get a scholarship. They kept her hanging around so long that when she was told how much it was, she realised that while she was sitting around waiting she could have earned more.

        One of my old man’s Tainui friends was so disgusted with the paltry amount that he was offered that he told them what they could do with it.

        If one has the right name, the ‘scholarships’ are generous and tend to be for prestigious overseas universities. The plebs get sweet FA.

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        • Duker

           /  28th April 2020

          None of thats is true… even doctoral scholarships in NZ are $5000.. It doesnt appear that any are for overseas institutions

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  11. Zedd

     /  28th April 2020

    Just went for a morning walk.. it is obvious Lvl 4 is over (for now) BUT there were lots more cars buzzing about & folks too.
    Not too sure that some realise ‘social distancing’ is still in place at Lvl 3 & we are NOT just ‘back to normal’ ?!

    Oh well; time will tell… :/

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  12. lurcher1948

     /  28th April 2020

    We Scots(ME) have a great way with words(cock womble)We Scots are brighter than the English.
    https://scontent.fpmr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/93032738_10158535663203939_5172214873014140928_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=4_5nLJ1L85QAX93rfzf&_nc_ht=scontent.fpmr1-1.fna&oh=ed3892f097078b5d478d2e7770bb5da6&oe=5ECBE329
    Now Simon don’t think you are another [deleted deliberate miscapitalisation of name)

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    • Pink David

       /  28th April 2020

      If Scots are brighter than the English, why have the English dominated Scotland for hundreds of years and every rebellion resulted in a bunch of hairy arsed skirt wearers getting eviscerated?

      I always assume it was because the Scots enjoyed being bent over and shafted.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  28th April 2020

        Its a matter of numbers the dummy English outnumber the Scots, but remember the ancient Romans took over England but avoided the Scots with our tats and blue faces…not beaten whimps like the English,slaves to the Romans

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  28th April 2020

          It’s not true the Romans had an ear for music and built Hadrians Wall to keep the bagpipes out?

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        • Conspiratoor

           /  28th April 2020

          Poms took their guns off them 300 years ago. Porridge wogs gave up without a fight

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        • Pink David

           /  28th April 2020

          The Romans took one look at Scotland and said “what a shithole! Who in their right mind would want to live there!”, and stayed in England where they had wine and good music.

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  13. Gezza

     /  28th April 2020

    Yesterday was a cold, occasionally wet, windy and miserable one.

    But today we started off with a light dew, clear skies, no wind, and we are back to our long run of sunny, warm, golden Autumn weather again.

    The two pooklets and their uncle, after hearing there were no dinner treats (they had brunch) decided to soak up the sun while the rest of the whanau was off foraging somewhere.

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    • Untold pooklets, pooksters and pooks around here; I have never seen so many. No tiny pooklets, snf, snf….

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      • It was so hot at the bus stop that I was nearly cooked; thank heaven I was wearing a short sleeved dress.

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        • Gezza

           /  28th April 2020

          The poor tuis here are finding their sugar water is getting mostly lapped up by the pooks. They all love it.

          I wondered why the pooks keep upending the (quite solid & heavy) water bowls, & have nails around the one on the fence post & stones around the one on the platform/bird table to try & stop the pooks knocking them to the ground.

          Then, watching them today, I noticed that one of them appeared to be deliberately tilting the bowl – to make what little was left in it run into a bigger pool at the lower edge. They’re quite bright when it comes to getting food or amusing themselves.

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  14. lurcher1948

     /  28th April 2020

    Why does Simon Bridges stand up in parliament and praises Australia over New Zealand all the time,what a tody and lacky, god…Simon a hint , you are a Maori,i could draw pictures if it helps,letters after your name doesn’t make you street smart, BUT you NEVER praise Australia over New Zealand and want to be PM then abuse our PM Jacinda Ardern,shes up there and you have Nick Smith behind you.

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  15. on ZB this a.m. I heard a guy ring up & say (paraphrased) I agree with MrT & USA that leaders/pollies should be born in the country. He then said if this was true in NZ, then we wouldnt have a certain ‘cycleway MP’ (USA Grn) & started anti-climate change tirade.
    >maybe he forgets that Natl. have several ‘foreign born’ MPs too & their biggest fin. backers are likely also ‘foreign born’ ?

    maybe I should have responded
    ‘Yes I why not follow MrTs advice & inject some disinfectant.. to cure covid19 ?
    >small things amuse… minds

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    • duperez

       /  28th April 2020

      Trump doesn’t like immigrants. Immigrants are evil and bring nothing but problems.
      Trump’s grandfather was an immigrant into the USA from Germany to avoid his military-service obligations and he was classified as a draft dodger.

      By rights Trump should be the President of Germany.😊

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