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  1. Corky

     /  29th April 2020

    Listened to Paul Henry last night. He interviewed Sir John Key, who he called the ” Chinese Whisperer.” And not without good reason. Key suggested we stick with China given the shaky relationship Australia now has with China. Likewise, China with other countries. Key stated it was basically China who got us through the last GFC. He also believes now is the time for foreign investment… anything to keep businesses solvent and ticking over.

    No matter how hard Henry tried to goad Key into being critical of the government, the bait wasn’t taken. Asked if he would accept an appointment by the government, he said yes, but believes the government has the people and a strategies already in place.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  29th April 2020

      Well I agree with Sir Key,re China after watching the Chinese ambassador saying to Scott Morrisons govt “we dont need your beef or wine”.China will take all we produce because the USA will never come to the party,re a free trade agreement.

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    • Blazer

       /  29th April 2020

      A Chinese coy paid an eyewatering sum for Keys Parnell property.
      Chinese donors fund the National Party…just ask Jamie Loyal Ross!

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  29th April 2020

        Short term gain for long term pain. One look at this guy’s commercial background should be enough to question his current motives

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  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  29th April 2020

    The last few days I’ve found Kiwiblog locks up my phone’s Chrome browser. Cleared the cache but it still does it. Anyone else finding this?

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    • I haven’t looked at Kiwiblog much lately, but it could be all the spittle on their cache.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  29th April 2020

        Maybe, PG. I generally just read the posts not the comments to see what Farrar is up to. Some are interesting.

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        • Some of the posts are worth reading, but lately Farrar seems to have been leaning quite hard towards supporting National’s interests, more so than usual.

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          • duperez

             /  29th April 2020

            Did you chuckle yesterday when he was upset about a Stuff headline? “A malicious headline,” he had it, when Stuff played a game straight out of the Farrar playbook.

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    • Conspiratoor

       /  29th April 2020

      Why are you still using Chrome Al? There are better, less bloated, intrusive browsers around

      Try Kiwi Browser, you’ll never look back

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      • Gezza

         /  29th April 2020

        Might check that out later.

        On a slightly related matter I got caught like many other happy & satisfied users of Windows 7 with Microsoft’s announcement they were ceasing support for Win7 on 14 January 2020.

        My poor wee Compaq spent all night downloading the upgrade to Windows 10 only at the very last stage in the install process for the install app to tell me my device was not compatible wiv Win10 because the graphics card wasn’t up to it.

        I was happy like thousands of others to carry on as long as poss using Win7.

        But I went and bought a lenovo machine with the latest version of Windows 10. Only problem is, the latest version locks you in to only using apps from the Windows App Store.

        There was an opt out option; once you opt out you can’t revert. I want to be able to continue using some third party apps & to copy some from my Win7 machine. I don’t trust Microsoft’s programming enuf to be locked in only to them.

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        • Duker

           /  29th April 2020

          Stay with Windows 7, if your system is stable and good anti- virus installed why upgrade. W10 does nothing but upgrade, download all your keystrokes and other actions back to W -HQ

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  29th April 2020

          Can you load Chrome and Google search on it?

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  29th April 2020

        Yes, I have another browser which doesn’t lock up. I agree Chrome has bloated enormously since it used to be fast and efficient. Google has gone the way of the greedy monopolist hunting every dollar. Time for the next revolutionary challenger.

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        • Gezza

           /  29th April 2020

          What’s your other browser, has it been silently compromised by the NSA, the Chinese or the Russian Security Services, & what devices are you running it on, Sir Alan.
          Sir Gerald

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          • Blazer

             /  29th April 2020

            Al goes through life with Keys maxim….nothing to hide,nothing to fear…until there…is.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  29th April 2020

            I have Firefox on my other machines but DuckDuckGo on my phone.

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            • Gezza

               /  29th April 2020

              I switched to Chrome years back when Firefoox was getting slow & clunky, after I’d switched to FF because MS Explorer was worse.

              Yes, after I opted out I downloaded Chrome straight away. I still use Chrome on the Win7 machine. The Win10 Chrome is configured slightly differently. The bookmarks bar goes across the page, for example.

              I’m used to accessing it from a left side bar.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  29th April 2020

              Have you tried installing other apps then? Or did you get Chrome via Windows App Store?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  29th April 2020

              Oops, sorry, didn’t notice you opted out.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  29th April 2020

              The reason it won’t let you undo that option will be that in their minds you may have already compromised their system so there is no point.

            • Gezza

               /  29th April 2020

              Yes, I realised that, but as using MS Windows generally compromises you by rendering you likely to dedicated hackers quickly finding endless vulnerabilities already I figured 🖕🏼 to MS.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  29th April 2020

              Al, are you concerned with privacy? Do you want your data to remain private? All the search history of users is tracked by Google (even in incognito browser mode) and this has contributed to the growing tide of concerned users

              Not even Duckduckgo knows exactly how many users it has, precisely because they do not track them

              You have DDG on your phone but then you go and blow all your good work by using Google on your machines

              Why?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  29th April 2020

              I don’t do anything I’m not happy to defend in court on my machines.

        • I uninstalled Chrome when it did that moving to one side pf the screen thing that it does from time to time. It was impossible to reinstall because it wanted to be installed on an android phone that I don’t have. I went back to Firefox.

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          • Gezza

             /  29th April 2020

            It’s never done that moving to one side of the screen thing to me. It looks to me from that description like you had unwittingly compressed a minimised Chrome window sideways & when you closed and re-opened it it remembered that was its last setting when closed, so it opened on that setting. I think you may have uninstalled it when all you needed to do was either expand it sideways or maximise it (when it would open in full screen display).

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            • It has for a lot of people, and they had done nothing to cause it. It was impossible for anyone to undo (there were a lot of questions online about it !) It did it more than once, and uninstalling and reinstalling was the only thing that worked. I knew that I had done nothing and it was blimmin annoying. Usually one could simply drag or maximise…but the maximiser was now off the screen, as well as everything else that was useful. It wasn’t just squashed, part of it was missing.

            • Gezza

               /  29th April 2020

              Oh? Very peculiar. Lucky it never happened to me by the sound of it. They must’ve done an update that caused conflicts on some devices but not all.

      • Gezza

         /  29th April 2020

        Try Kiwi Browser, you’ll never look back

        🤔

        Hey, hang on, c. Seeing this is you, I’d better check this 1st.

        Does using this browser cause neck problems? o_O

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        • Conspiratoor

           /  29th April 2020

          What floats your boat G, security or privacy? I sense you and the pooks don’t give the proverbial

          “A new app called the Kiwi Browser offers a dramatic speed boost over Chrome’s mobile browser. Kiwi also addresses the other major challenge with today’s web browsers: security and privacy.”

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          • Blazer

             /  29th April 2020

            so do you recommend DDGO Con?

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            • Conspiratoor

               /  29th April 2020

              Horses for courses. For you Blazer I would recommend a VPN and Tor browser, (a reputable one)

              OR stay off the grid and lead a pre-internet life

              Sirs Al and G each have a different set of primary motivators so I was endeavoring to flesh out their particular needs.

              BTW, I run a script over the blogs I frequent on page load to remove the abusive, low cal, screaming skulls etc. You would be surprised how stimulating and entertaining blogs like this become. Especially when you run the up and down ticks together to display a total score.

            • Blazer

               /  29th April 2020

              not sure what to make of your observations there Con…apart from that DDGo is not very private.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  29th April 2020

              Apologies Blazer, I got a little sideways. If you believe the hype (and to be frank what can you believe) DDG doesn’t sell your data and doesn’t track the searches you make. So go ahead and make it your default search engine in Chrome. Google won’t track your search terms but will know where you navigate to and from DDG

              If you want freaky, download Google’s dataset about you

          • Gezza

             /  29th April 2020

            Both. The pooks have elected to remain computer illiterate & to restrict their surfing to the days when the stream is in flood. They organise their own privacy by making sure you can’t usually see where they sleep, but letting you know that they can see you! I have a suspicion, in addition, that the older ones might be rather accomplished ventriloquists.

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            • Conspiratoor

               /  29th April 2020

              Very good G, you should have been on tele 🙂

            • Gezza

               /  29th April 2020

              Where’s me blimmin uptick then?

              And I have been. Twice.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  29th April 2020

              Sorry G, I’ve turned tossers and upticks off …on this device

            • Gezza

               /  29th April 2020

              Possum’s been on t’ telly too. I done saw her, at Waitangi Day, in the tent, in the audience – watching & listening to The Don wafting out his same old song. She wiz all ears, giving him a fair hearing, and looking good !

              Ya rubbin shoulders with celebs here, c.

            • I had a line in a Cobb & Co ad with David Jason…but I was still paid as an extra.Chiz, chiz…why am I always the bridesmaid ?

  3. It’s just the flu, bro …

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    • The two have no connection, one might as well compare it with the road toll.

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      • Pink David

         /  29th April 2020

        “The two have no connection, one might as well compare it with the road toll.”

        Vending machines kill more children than Covid-19. We did not shut the world down from fear of vending machines.

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    • Pink David

       /  29th April 2020

      The flu killed 80,000 in the US in 2018. Worse than the Vietnam War, yet you did not notice. I don’t think you cared unless you have a chance to blame Trump.

      https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/

      On other fun news, Hillary Clinton has endorsed her second sexual predator for President. #metoo is so 2019.

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      • Duker

         /  29th April 2020

        You mean Trump isnt a predator too? How did the Kavanaugh thing turn out for him…

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        • Pink David

           /  29th April 2020

          You tell me. Tara Reade has shown up with actual evidence. Christine Blasey Ford could not establish she had ever met Kavanaugh.

          Curious how silent the #believeallwomen crowd is over this. You could be forgiven there was one standard expected from one group, which is wholly ignored by another group.

          What are the rules here?

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      • Duker

         /  29th April 2020

        Flu was worse..yet

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  4. Corky

     /  29th April 2020

    I’m wondering if Sean Plunket is losing it. He disclosed last year that he gets the blues in winter.

    He has been feral the last couple of day, especially with some chap who is boss of a University charging students for accommodation they are not using at the moment thanks to lock down.

    But the problem I have, also reiterated by a texter, is Sean’s assertion John Key was sniping at the government from the sidelines on the Paul Henry show. Not true from what I saw.

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    • Gezza

       /  29th April 2020

      He might suffer from S.A.D ? A lot of people are affected by it without being aware why they are out of sorts. I’d imagine people who tend to be arseholes all the time wouldn’t perceive or be observed by others to show any difference in behaviour and manner.

      He has been feral the last couple of day, especially with some chap who is boss of a University charging students for accommodation they are not using at the moment thanks to lock down.

      That’s rather arcane, Corks. In what way, exactly, has he been “feral” to this University boss chap?

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      • Blazer

         /  29th April 2020

        S.A.D. the case study of big Pharma inventing’ a condition and then supplying the solution for it…amazingly profitable!

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        • Gezza

           /  29th April 2020

          Interesting comment. Solutions didn’t require any pharmacological intervention. Mind you, in the US no doubt they reaped a profit from the ignorant.

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          • Blazer

             /  29th April 2020

            Societal Anxiety Disorder=cure Xanax and various psychotrobic drugs.
            Alprazolam, sold under the brand name Xanax, among others, is a short-acting benzodiazepine. It is most commonly used in short term management of anxiety disorders, specifically panic disorder or generalized anxiety disorder. Other uses include the treatment of chemotherapy-induced nausea, together with other treatments.Wikipedia

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            • Gezza

               /  29th April 2020

              Poor buggers. Sound expensive & possibly addictive.

              I’m picking you’d be one of those people unaffected by S.A.D. so nobody would notice any change in your mood or manner?

            • Blazer

               /  29th April 2020

              SAD ..symptoms…’
              do you ever feel anxious,scared,sweaty palms…you could be suffering from…SAD….see your Dr ,he may be able to…help’

              Example of Drug Coy ‘line’…i.e if you are alive you may need Xanax.

            • Gezza

               /  29th April 2020

              @Blazer

              And just so our readers are on the same page as mine, & not your Big Pharma bashing one, I’m referring to Seasonal Affective Disorder.

              https://www.mentalhealth.org.nz/get-help/a-z/resource/43/sad

            • Blazer

               /  29th April 2020

              ‘Big Pharma bashing…’….dear oh dear…it would seem you have a very charitable and uncritical view of business motivations.

            • Gezza

               /  29th April 2020

              Why do you say that? I’m all for bashing Big Pharma. As many uppercuts as they can get.

        • Pink David

           /  29th April 2020

          “S.A.D. the case study of big Pharma inventing’ a condition and then supplying the solution for it…amazingly profitable!”

          SAD is cured with vitamin D, which you can buy from about 1,000,000 different suppliers. It’s not exactly ‘amazingly profitable’.

          Why would Big Phama create a condition that is cured with a simple supplement?

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          • Corky

             /  29th April 2020

            I forgot to mention that in my comments. Many listeners suggested Vitamin D to Sean last year. I think he may have a Griff complex and believes it’s all bs.

            Sporting Organisations aren’t too happy with those who broadcast the fact that one dose of 150,000 IUs of VitaminD will increase your strength by 8%. That fact is D is not a vitamin in reality – it’s a hormone.

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            • Griff.

               /  29th April 2020

              Corky
              I know about skin making vitamin D when exposed to sun light.
              Less sunlight in winter and some get the winter blues because they lack vitamin D .
              It is a well documented biological process.

              This however is more of your loony tune bullshite

              Sporting Organisations aren’t too happy with those who broadcast the fact that one dose of 150,000 IUs of VitaminD will increase your strength by 8%. That fact is D is not a vitamin in reality – it’s a hormone.

              The fact is you have no idea at all about most things because you are a loon who does not understand the deference between science and fringe whacko gibbering .

            • Corky

               /  29th April 2020

              Ok..instead of the abuse…fill this blog with your knowledge. All I seem to get from you are accusations..but no science.

              I personally have tried it ( a doctor gives 50,000 IU pills to patients. One for the month. Inadequate in my opinion). My bench went up by 10kgs on the 8th day. This increase in strength lasted for 3 weeks then tapered off.

              Now imagine an elite athlete who measures his performance in minuscule increment gains. 8% increase in performance is hugmous.

              Get the picture, Griff? As always…we have one that does…and one that talks.

              For the likes of most on this blog who only walk ( or so they say), the increase in performance will still be noted. It will be a youthful vigour they haven’t felt in a looong time.

              I must admit I tried to catch you out, Griff, by saying Vit D is a hormone. So you may have something going for you yet.

        • Gezza

           /  29th April 2020

          Hang on, I’ll have a listen.

          I was going to go up on the roof & de-rust the burglar alarm box before repainting it so it looks bright & smart & slightly menacing to would-be burglars again. But the skies have clouded over & it’s got a bit cool & windy. I’ll put that job off until tomorrow morning I think.

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          • Corky

             /  29th April 2020

            Listen at the end when Sean hangs up the phone. Very unprofessional.

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            • Gezza

               /  29th April 2020

              Righto 👍

            • Gezza

               /  29th April 2020

              Oh yes, awful interviewer.

              There is a case to be argued for his position, but he didn’t bother to make it. Whelan was trying to make his case but was virtually shut down from discussing it civilly.

              Didn’t listen. Talked over his guest from start to finish. Swore needlessly. Impatient, hectoring. Utterly rude throughout. I’d warn him another interview like that & he’d be out the door. What a grunter.

              But you generally like him, don’t you?

            • Corky

               /  29th April 2020

              Yes. But not like that.

            • Gezza

               /  29th April 2020

              Why not send him an email or text & let him know he was feral

            • Corky

               /  29th April 2020

              No thanks.

            • Gezza

               /  29th April 2020

              Scares you that much!

            • Gezza

               /  29th April 2020

              FiP !

              ❗️= ❓

  5. Hunter Charles

     /  29th April 2020

    I’m going to repost this here so all in the open forum will know about this.

    The presently available evidence does not support the role of a novel coronavirus as being the cause of the “Wuhan outbreak.”

    The presently available evidence fails to even prove the existence of a novel coronavirus according to Koch’s postulates for infectious disease nor Rivers’ modification of Koch’s postulates which virologists agree is essential to 1) prove the existence of a new virus and 2) prove that it is infectious.

    All parties should watch a breakdown of the science in the following presentations by Dr Andrew Kaufman, who holds a degree in molecular biology from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), worked for the CDC collecting information about AIDS cases, obtained his MD from the Medical University of South Carolina faculty and went on to become a forensic psychiatrist at the SUNY Medical University in Upstate, New York.

    Dr Kaufman’s presentation on the science behind the tests being promoted and how they were developed is available here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGGd7-vvd9Y
    In summary: because no virus has ever been purified, they are testing for endogenous (human) RNA being released from endogenous (human) cellular vesicles.

    Dr Kaufman’s presentation on the failure to purify Coronavirus for either SARS or the Wuhan Pneumonia can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvcEIarencM

    The science does not prove the existence of an infectious Coronavirus. There is no scientific evidence behind any of the draconian measures being forced upon peoples around the world. The Emperor has no clothes.

    Why are people dying? The medical treatments that are being promoted to treat this ‘epidemic’ all of which openly acknowledged to be experimental and many of which are toxic in their effects. Inappropriate early of mechanical ventilation which results in mortality in 17% of healthy people and 80+% of people with illness which is why it usually used only as a measure of last resort. People aren’t being resuscitated as a matter of course in many places.

    The left and right wings are fiction. There is only truth and lies and everyone has been sold a lie.

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    • Gezza

       /  29th April 2020

      I imagine you can now expect a telling off from Kitty.

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      • Duker

         /  29th April 2020

        Kochs postulates were formed in 1884, when science and its tools were in what now would be called prehistoric era and they were designed around what the available techniques of the time.
        They said the same thing about HIV virus, and yes because of something from the 1880s that too doesnt exist.

        For example, Koch was well aware that in the case of cholera, the causal agent, Vibrio cholerae, could be found in both sick and healthy people, invalidating his first postulate. Furthermore, viral diseases were not yet discovered when Koch formulated his postulates, and there are many viruses that do not cause illness in all infected individuals, a requirement of the first postulate

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch%27s_postulates

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        • Duker

           /  29th April 2020

          Kaufman isnt even an expert in Viruses or infectious diseases, hes a prison shrink
          https://health.usnews.com/doctors/andrew-kaufman-663271

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        • Hunter Charles

           /  30th April 2020

          Koch’s postulates were modified by Rivers in 1937. The evidence provided for the existence of COVID-19 doesn’t even meet River’s modified version of Koch’s postulates. As they are logical postulates, they don’t change with time. To prove something is the cause of a disease you need to isolate it, prove it is a unique entity, infect a same-species host and then re-isolate the disease causing agent. This logical sequence of events does not change. This has not occurred for either SARS or COVID-19 coronaviruses. If you can’t PROVE that something is causing a disease it is only associated with a disease. It is like blaming firemen for causing all the fires in a town.

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  29th April 2020

    Good luck Simon Bridges, beating PM Jacinda Ardern in a debate, today Parliament question time, Simon your voice is so bad that you switch it off in my head, your accent is horrible,, its croaky and inaudible a natural turn of…a win for PM Jacinda Ardern in any debate….most would say (WHAT DID HE SAY? i couldn’t understand him)

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  7. It will be hard enough for existing small parties this election let alone startups, let alone startups with toxic politicians..

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  29th April 2020

      Did he get an answer?

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      • Duker

         /  29th April 2020

        They used to get another 3 months pay if MPs contested rather than retired before the election but the rules were changed so now every MP retiring gets the golden handshake after election too…. but maybe just maybe there is something in the letterbox if he changes his mind before the election and resigns just as the period starts when no bye elections are held…. my fortune cookiescrystal ball is cloudy but IF it happens you heard it from me first.

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      • Gezza

         /  30th April 2020

        Dunno, but Jason Walls did. These are just the current topmost 3. Fair to say not a lot of support for JLR.

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  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  29th April 2020

    Decided to give Gemma a change and walk down to Brick Bay tonight (had a brick kiln there in the early days). This is another bay below Eagles Nest. My old sandals finally died at the bottom and I half died climbing back up.
    The last 100m is really steep and I had taken a jacket because the day had been cold. This is from the far end of the beach. Three yachties there enjoying not sailing during the lockdown.

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    • Sandals are no longer verboten and can be bought online.

      My dog decided that this was make a barking idiot of yourself day and tried to win the prize.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  29th April 2020

        I pre-ordered for Level 3 but still haven’t arrived. May have to lash up a temporary fastener.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  29th April 2020

      Imgflip doing a horrible jerky freebee gif. They want you to buy a pro sub. Might try someplace else.

      Reply
      • Conspiratoor

         /  29th April 2020

        I use imgur. No ads

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  29th April 2020

          It wants to install an app and doesn’t say what it does.

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          • Conspiratoor

             /  29th April 2020

            Ok, then run it from the browser on one of your machines

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            • Gezza

               /  29th April 2020

              Yes, I run it from a browser. It used to work with my iPad 2 but no longer does either from the browser or via the app. The app won’t download as not compatible with iOS 9

  9. duperez

     /  29th April 2020

    Lovely scene AW. A bit closer to civilisation than the Whananaki South that Peters left. Just as nice too but in a different way.

    He left to start the biggest, most dramatic story of the year. Well, according to the red Herald banner moving across the top of my screen with ‘controversy’ and ‘bombshell.’

    The headline on the actual story: ‘Covid 19 coronavirus: Winston Peters back on his podium with border closure bombshell.’

    It’d be the first time in history officials gave recommendations to Cabinet which weren’t accepted and acted on exactly as is. Well you’d think so by the story and its presentation. The reporter and the page designer/sub-editor must be about 12 years old.

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