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  1. Gezza

     /  2nd May 2020
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  2. David

     /  2nd May 2020

    Its a bit rich for Robertson to be slamming banks for not using his scheme to lend to small businesses when it was his design that made it too difficult for banks and way too onerous for business owners. You basically had to be bankrupt and then have a GSA including personal property, it was pretty awful by all accounts.
    A re design was needed that was clear but there was no need for him to slam the banks for a bit of publicity and dodge his own responsibility, just own it and fix it no one blames you these are strange times.
    The scheme should have been in place 2 weeks ago and the fact that you cant access it until the 11th of May which funnily enough coincides with Arderns press conference shows that this government cares way to much about politics rather than helping businesses. The money is needed now not in 2 weeks time even though they passed it into law by accident and didnt notice, hence slamming banks diversion.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  2nd May 2020

      Yawn, David you are such a bundle of joy in the morning…have you always been negative in your life or has PM Jacinda Ardern brought it to the surface??

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      • David

         /  2nd May 2020

        From someone who gets on here most mornings raging about something Hoskings or some talkbacker said that is rich.

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    • Blazer

       /  2nd May 2020

      I’m sure you would love non recourse loans.
      Gutting companies and collapsing them is almost a way of life for the ‘smarties’.
      Withdrawing debentures and stiffing creditors.

      Give us gummint money god damn it…we are entrepreneurs and risk takers…all we ask for is a…gummint guarantee,for our losses and no we don’t want to pay tax on our profits.

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      • David

         /  2nd May 2020

        The government shut the country down so its health system didnt get overwhelmed the least they could do is make loans available to help employers keep employees employed. Its a loan not a gift as it should be and now they should suspend GST payments for the next 6 months rather than have Twyford sprinkle cash in a political manner.
        Businesses pay all the tax collected in this country aside from the border fee collected from visitors. Every last cent the government has comes from the private sector grafting and if the private sector doesnt graft then the government wont have any money.

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        • Griff.

           /  2nd May 2020

          Go to the bank and borrow money Interest rates are low and there is plenty of capital looking for a home . Why should the government guarantee your risky businesses loans ? If your business can not cope with 5% reduction in income over a year its insolvent and should fold.

          I know like a good rightie you want to Privatize the profits Socialize the risk.

          Capitalism something many on the right only like when it profits them when it fails they want communism to bail them out .

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          • David

             /  2nd May 2020

            Banks are reluctant to lend to anyone at the moment, there is little access to capital and it would be shame for mass unemployment to occur when the state could temporarily use its balance sheet.
            In normal times i couldnt agree more but it would be shame if wealth got more concentrated in the owners of lots of capital and the smaller enterprise got wiped out. We have a cool vegan cafe recently opened I would hate to see it replaced by Starbucks just for want of a small temporary loan in these times, as long as its a loan.

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            • Duker

               /  2nd May 2020

              “Sue de Bievre, chief executive of accounting firm Beany, said she knew of many small business owners who had been turned down by the banks and told “your business is not viable” even when they had a good plan.”

              Thats the reality of most small business, the cash flow isnt there, and banks had 100 years or more of knowing this.
              They are Dreamers and probably 90% go under within 5 years , and the downside of that is the wreckage for staff and creditors who have to wear the losses at that time.

              As an aside I think we have far too many shops, for every vacant space there is a someone thinking this is for me.
              A little art shop in Paihia comes to mind, only kept going as family members job backed by cashflow from other family enterprises

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  2nd May 2020

            That’s pretty rich, Griff, considering socialism lives on the profits of capitalism and dodges its losses – always at the head of the payout queue when companies fail.

            Hypocrisy much.

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            • Duker

               /  2nd May 2020

              Why do Banks put themselves ahead of almost every one else …because they can.
              IRD isnt at the head of the queue anyway for normal tax owed.

            • Griff.

               /  2nd May 2020

              The Hypocrisy is yours Alan as is the total confusion as to what a free market capitalist society is and what it is not.
              Wanting the government to bail out insolvent business ? That’s crony capitalism more indicative of authoritarian regimes in developing world giving money to associates to keep power not a fully developed free market economy .

              Like most right wing commentators here you are not really a free market capitalist.
              Trumpets especially only want a free market when it suits them.
              Crony capitalism …..

              You ignorant righties fail to recognize we are one of the most free country’s in the world far above your source of bullshite the USA .
              You all gibbering talking points from the less free USA and fail to actually look past your biased sources of propaganda .

              FWIW there are respected metrics of social freedom including freedom to do business .
              https://www.cato.org/human-freedom-index-new

              The jurisdictions that took the top 10 places, in order, were New Zealand, Switzerland, Hong Kong, Canada, Australia, Denmark and Luxembourg (tied in 6th place), Finland and Germany (tied in 8th place), and Ireland.

              https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

              New Zealand’s economic freedom score is 84.1, making its economy the 3rd freest in the 2020 Index

              https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/freest-countries/
              New Zealand ranks No 1.

              We owe a lot of that distinction as one of the most free countrys to past labor governments……

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  2nd May 2020

              Irrelevant crap and flannel, Griff. When the government confiscates private property rights it is liable for compensation. End of story.

            • Griff.

               /  2nd May 2020

              ROFL
              Whatever Alan.

    • Duker

       /  2nd May 2020

      It wasnt Robertsons design that the Banks wouldnt lend
      “Sue de Bievre, chief executive of accounting firm Beany, said she knew of many small business owners who had been turned down by the banks and told “your business is not viable” even when they had a good plan.”
      The Banks always expect a business to make sense financially, nothing changed even if the government guarantee was there – for part of the money.

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      • David

         /  2nd May 2020

        Feedback I got from two business banking managers, they both said it was easier for them to get a loan across the line through the normal process than the governments one, too many hoops put in place by Treasury who know nothing about lending or small businesses.
        I dont blame Robertson at least he was trying and he has literally no private sector background but it was a bit rough blaming the banks as cover for a scheme that needed tweaking as these things do.
        I think waiting until the 11th so Ardern can announce it with the Level 2 movement for maximum press exposure is pretty underhand, there are businesses and staff who would be in a better position mentally if they knew now rather than have to wait.

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        • That wouldn’t provide the drama and give the PM more Brownie points, would it ? It seems as if she’s making the rules tough so that she can look generous when she softens them.

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        • Duker

           /  2nd May 2020

          These are the rules that are so tough
          The SME one announced the other day.
          “Eligibility criteria are similar to those of the Wage Subsidy Scheme.Businesses will also have to declare that they are a viable business, they will use the money for core business operating costs and enter into a legally-binding loan contract.”

          The banks determine if they are viable , not Treasury. I think your banking managers are following head office rules and blaming the government so as to not impair their banks customer relationship.
          https://treasury.govt.nz/news-and-events/news/government-loan-support-small-businesses
          The older one the BFG one
          “The Government on March 20 announced it had agreed to underwrite 80% of individual bank loans to eligible firms.
          This means that in the event of a default, 80% of the loss will be borne by the Government/taxpayers and 20% by the bank.
          The Government is taking on the bulk of the credit risk to encourage banks to keep lending.
          While loans will be written according to banks’ lending criteria, Finance Minister Grant Robertson said the risk-sharing arrangement “implies a higher tolerance of risk than you might normally see from the banks, because obviously we’re in a time when their normal risk weightings probably aren’t appropriate”.
          The total value of loans the “Business Finance Guarantee Scheme” will cover is $6.25 billion.
          https://www.interest.co.nz/news/104380/more-detail-unveiled-which-businesses-are-be-eligible-80-taxpayer-backed-bank-loan-get

          It seems like hearsay that “too many hoops by Treasury “….clearly the banks are loan shy of even losing their 20%

          as for that nonsense about waiting for the 11th….thats had to do with IRD computer systems being ready as they administer the SME scheme

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  3. Gezza

     /  2nd May 2020

    Pookden Manor Pukeko Lawnmowing crew, on the job at 7.36 am, after a hearty Molenberg bread chunk breakfast at 7.15.

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    • Gezza

       /  2nd May 2020

      (The pookling bottom right had to be told to leave the bloody hose alone and get on with the lawn trimming. I’m not paying them to play with the flamin garden hose. >:D )

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      • I blame the parents. They don’t pass on the work ethic these days because they don’t have one themselves.. Blimmin entitled millenials.

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        • Gezza

           /  2nd May 2020

          Well, to be fair Sweey works very hard on getting on my good side & and is always very demure & watchful of my mood.

          And Bluey is such a doting dad that when a hollowed-legged, already-fed pooklet or pookling races him for the bread chunks that are thrown to him by name (like Sweety, he knows his name), he stands back & lets the kid steal it from under his nostrils.

          He lately has taken to perching on the fence a metre away from me, to watch benignly over his whanau below.

          I am able – if I move slowly – to put his bread chunks on the fence post, one at a time, point to them, & if I back away, he cautiously advances, picks them up & eats his treats,p standing one-legged atop the fence.

          That’s if a sparrow bandit doesn’t beat him to it.

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          • Sparrers are the world’s worst muggers. I threw a chip to one yesterday and he was just putting his beak around it when another flew down and robbed him. Then every blimmin sparrer in town flew in and wanted some. How do they know ?

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            • Gezza

               /  2nd May 2020

              I don’t know. Haven’t tried to research that. Same thing happens here. One sparrow gets a treat. 5 minutes later there are 10 them wanting breadcrumbs. Next day 15-20. Usually starts with one. Maybe they all flock together during the day & all keep an eye out for any member of the flock scoring some food.

              Or possibly one goes off & comes back & does a “follow me” somehow.

            • I can’t say how many come to the bird table; they somehow seem to know when the food goes out and the crowds appear. Perhaps one stands guard and sends the signal out.

              I wasn’t surprised by the crowd appearing at the free chippie, I’ve seen it before. In the end, I was tossing part of each chip that I had,

            • Perhaps the watchbird puts two claws in his beak and whistles.

            • I have read that they shouldn’t have bread, but yours and mine seem to be doing all right on it. I see the same ones every day as well as new ones.

  4. lurcher1948

     /  2nd May 2020

    This video is making righties froth at the mouth…what a joy that is

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    • David

       /  2nd May 2020

      I quite liked it, good to see him doing a PSA. We dont really see much of him which is a shame.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  2nd May 2020

      Watched a few seconds without the sound and didn’t experience any symptoms, Lurch. I’ve survived advice from police and politician’s wives unscathed for a long time now. My deaf ear is good protection.

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  5. duperez

     /  2nd May 2020

    I wonder if those taken in for having parties get to share cells at the station. Not that I’m perverse of course, but imagine having the job of allocating cells to those brought in.

    ‘You two in there, you in there, you in there ….”
    And when the lot from the upmarket party with the upmarket mob from Fendalton come in, “You in there with him, you in there with them …” 🙃

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/121385482/eight-arrests-after-partying-gangsters-breach-lockdown-restrictions

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  2nd May 2020

      I presume the police are equally obliged to observe the rules re bubbles and distancing.

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        • I am sick of that damned b-word. It’s childish and it’s been totally overdone.

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          • Gezza

             /  2nd May 2020

            I’m not. It was a very good idea. People grasped the concept easily & I hear lots of conversations including some of mine that ask or talk about who’s in someone’s bubble. It’s an easy word to mentally image approriately & to remember.

            What other word or words would you use if a decision on what to replace it with was yours?

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            • I couldn’t count the number of times it was said on 3 News.

              Formation ? House group ? Menage ? Anything but that childish word. We’re not at kindergarten now.

            • Enclave ? circle ? cage ? cellmates ?

            • Duker

               /  2nd May 2020

              Entirely suitable as one of the definitions
              “place or position that is protected from danger or unpleasant reality.”

              The Oxford English Dictionary suggests that the verb bubble comes from an earlier non-financial use of the word as a noun meaning “anything fragile, unsubstantial, empty, or worthless; a deceptive show,” going back to the late 16th century.
              Fragile unsubstantial empty or worthless…. That reminds me…
              It was of course ‘invented’ by Shakespeare, so much for childish

            • I doubt if he invented it.

              But the inventer and origin don’t make it not childish in this context.

            • inventor

            • In fact, it predates Shakespeare by some centuries, albeit with a different vowel., and was used in the c.17 before it was used by him with the modern spelling.

            • Duker

               /  2nd May 2020

              The context is place or position that is protected from danger.
              Just go to show , which you prove over and over, how little you know
              Used in Mabeth and As you like it

            • duperez

               /  2nd May 2020

              It’s just the organic nature of language. Recently I read of something that was the new thing – ‘agile.’ Lo and behold in days I heard a couple of politicians talking about ‘agile thinking.’ If agile can get a new life I don’t see why bubble can’t.
              When they started talking bubble this is what I thought of. Appropriate to the context I thought.
              https://i.imgflip.com/3zq7dq.jpg.
              BMW bubble car (Credit Autotrader)

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  2nd May 2020

              Except somehow they have managed to rule that your car isn’t in your bubble, dups.

              They are certifiably nuts.

  6. in summary
    – Trump is a genius but you can’t see his grades
    – Trump is healthy but you can’t see his medical reports
    – Trump is rich but you can’t see his tax returns
    – Trump is innocent but you can’t subpoena the witnesses
    – the pandemic is under control but you can’t talk to Dr. Fauci. The White House is blocking Fauci from testifying before a House subcommittee investigating the coronavirus outbreak and response

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/05/01/congress-fauci-coronavirus/

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    • Pink David

       /  2nd May 2020

      How’s that investigation into Joe Biden following Tara Reade’s allegations?

      Will the employment records be opened to show the complaint that Ms Reade claims she main in evidence?

      I find your silence on this issue curious given you stalwart and noble campaigning on ‘believe all women’.

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      • Griff.

         /  2nd May 2020

        I find your silence on this issue curious given you stalwart and noble campaigning on ‘believe all women’.

        https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
        strawman
        You misrepresented someone’s argument to make it easier to attack.
        By exaggerating, misrepresenting, or just completely fabricating someone’s argument, it’s much easier to present your own position as being reasonable, but this kind of dishonesty serves to undermine honest rational debate.

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        • Pink David

           /  2nd May 2020

          “You misrepresented someone’s argument to make it easier to attack.”

          Strawman? CMI has been very vocal on this site about the Christine Blasey Ford allegations and a strong supported on these issues. His silence on this one is deafening.

          Why is this case not of prime concern given Biden is no less than a Presidential candidate. I don’t think for a second I have misrepresented CMI position. I think CMI has misrepresented his own position. He doesn’t care if a women is raped by a man in power, as long as that man is politically aligned with him.

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        • Griff.

           /  2nd May 2020

          Its up to you to find a single occasion to prove Call me Ishmael’s ” stalwart and noble campaigning on ‘believe all women” an empty assertion does not cut it .
          To save you trolling though thousands of comments such a statement simply does not exist.
          Hence you made up a straw man to attack rather than engage his comment .

          Your statement as well as being illogical nonsense was another tactic of the reality challenged trumpwits.
          A whataboutism.

          Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent’s position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument. Whataboutism is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda.

          Trumpies all share at lest one thing in common with Trump himself.
          Stunningly Illogical stupidity.

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          • Pink David

             /  2nd May 2020

            “To save you trolling though thousands of comments such a statement simply does not exist.”

            I”m impressed to know you have done your research. You achieve this in a super quick time, quite something.

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      • David

         /  2nd May 2020

        Watched the Morning Joe interview with Biden and it wasnt good. How he picks a female VP is going to be tough given what was said during the Kavanaugh hearings, Christopher Todd is helping him make his pick so you have to wonder what Bidens campaign is thinking.

        “I’ve been wondering what the cost of a “waitress sandwich” is today. In 1985, there was no price for the powerful to pay for one.

        One night three decades ago, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy. D-Mass., and his admiring protege Sen. Christopher J. Dodd, D-Conn., reportedly took their dates to a fancy Washington, D.C., restaurant, La Brasserie. Plenty of alcohol had been consumed.

        When the meal was coming to an end, the two women accompanying the senators repaired to the ladies’ room. A waitress, Carla Gaviglio, was summoned to the private dining room by two members of the world’s most deliberative body.

        In a lightning strike, Kennedy allegedly picked up Gaviglio and threw her on the table, knocking plates and other items to the floor. He reportedly lifted her up again and put her on top of Dodd, who was seated in a chair. Kennedy then engaged in an attack that continued until another employee entered the room and joined Gaviglio in screaming, causing others to enter the room.”

        There is no point in screaming “but Trump” because Bidens whole thing is that he is a return to decency.

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        • Blazer

           /  2nd May 2020

          Try Mary Jo Kopechne.

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        • artcroft

           /  2nd May 2020

          Don’t forget that Hilary was running a child prostitution ring out of a pizzaria.

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          • Pink David

             /  2nd May 2020

            “Don’t forget that Hilary was running a child prostitution ring out of a pizzaria.”

            You may have evidence of that, but what we do have evidence of is that Hilary has now endorsed two sexual predators for president,

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            • duperez

               /  2nd May 2020

              And at least one she didn’t endorse who turned out to be a real pearler! 🙂

  7. lurcher1948

     /  2nd May 2020

    So the rightwing has their old man golf… it’s a dying “sport” this is my sad dog agility sport for many a month
    http://dogagility.org.nz/comp/event-info.html
    lots of money will not be spent where we go to

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  8. Gezza

     /  2nd May 2020

    So, I drove to NW this morning, arriving at 9.57am, hoping to beat the queue. And Yay ! No queue at all. Straight inside, cruised every aisle, did my weekly shop.

    Got everything on my list – & a couple of extra items – then, on approaching the checkouts, directed to an already available self- service checkout.

    One item wouldn’t price scan but a supervisor just keyed in the product code when I’d put everything else through the scanner. Paid, loaded it all into bags in the car, back home at 9.25 pm. Sweet as a nut, no worries bro. 👍🏼

    As I went in I asked the young guy sanitising the trolleys what time the queues start to build up. They start as soon as we open, he said. Like, at 8am today the queue went right around the corner.

    When I came out & headed to the car wiv me trolley of goodies, the queue went right around the corner. Talk about lucky timing!

    Got the first coat of gloss white enamel on the burglar alarm box on the 2nd storey at 11.30 am. It was sunny but had to paint in a howling Norwesterly. Keeping the paint on the brush, never mind the surface of the alarm box, was a challenge.

    Looks 100% improvement already. 2nd coat should make it look really smart. Been needing doing since 2005. Might have a beer when that 2nd coat’s on. Push the boat out. 😎

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    • Gezza

       /  2nd May 2020

      Oops. Soz.

      *arriving at 8.57am

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      • No time travel, then.

        P & S don’t sanitise the trolleys now (waste of time, anyway) but make us all wash our mitts and leave bags outside (why ? Even if one of the 202 who have it was there, the danger would be from them, not their bags) P & S have the queue thing well under control; if there is one, it is never longer than 15 minutes.

        My rather tired white back door looks very glossy with its new red coat, even if it does look a bit like an oldstyle phonebooth. Now for the sittingroom….

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  9. Alan Wilkinson

     /  2nd May 2020

    Grey evening at the yacht club:

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