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  1. Blazer

     /  5th May 2020

    Incredible ,something I agree with Roger ‘ about…
    ‘Douglas said it was an example of “the old maxim rendered true — there is never someone more socialist than a wealthy capitalist in a time of crisis”.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300004327/coronavirus-sir-roger-douglas-says-house-building-and-spending-cuts-key-to-fixing-covid19-shock

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    • Gezza

       /  5th May 2020

      Morning B, I noticed you’d arrived.
      Hang on, I’ll have a gander. 😎

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    • Gezza

       /  5th May 2020

      Hmm. Very interesting.

      Former Labour Finance Minister Sir Roger Douglas says the Government should use the coronavirus crisis to attack economic privilege and reduce inequality. But, unlike his contemporary Labour colleagues, Douglas said this should be achieved by reducing stimulus spending, including on things like the wage subsidy and infrastructure building.

      The Government’s current policies, in particular the wage subsidy were “unfairly advantaging big business and the professional elite”, he said. Douglas said this money would be better directed “towards assisting the newly unemployed – namely workers, their families, and small business owners”.

      The comments come in a discussion paper co-authored with Professor Robert MacCulloch of Auckland University.

      Douglas told Stuff his paper was about reducing handouts to big businesses and dealing with entrenched inequality and poverty. The theme of the paper was better targeted spending and debt reduction.

      The most radical proposal was to “identify, and eliminate, unnecessary spending, privilege, and waste” from the Government budget totaling $15 billion. This would mean cutting or reprioritising 18 per cent of the last budget. That’s roughly the amount spent of superannuation each year.

      Douglas was particularly critical of the way that large businesses with healthy balance sheets had been claiming the wage subsidy, which has now paid out more than $10b. He singled out The Warehouse and large law firms Simpson Grierson, Bell Gully and MinterEllison in particular.

      “Why haven’t they been required to fend for themselves and their businesses? “Why, when the good times suddenly come to an end, have they gone cap in hand to the Government?”

      Off to a good start. I’ll read on. Anything in this article you take issue with, or are you on Sir Roger’s side here & now?

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      • Gezza

         /  5th May 2020

        Bugger. 😠

        Wish I’d waited to do my analysis below now. 🙄

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    • Gezza

       /  5th May 2020

      The paper argued that spending should be far better targeted and it should be paid to employees directly, rather than to their employers.

      Douglas proposed that an employer and employee should each notify the Government that the business is struggling and the employer about to be made redundant. The employer can then sack the employee or furlough them.

      The Government will then assist that person with special, targeted payments for their mortgage or other expenses, topping up any existing benefits they may receive.

      Sacking the employee might work as something of a disincentive to motivating said employee to stay with that particular employer, but I guess if it’s good employee who values their staff, there’d be good communication between them & the employee might understand this is really just a paper mechanism being used to keep them in their job.

      He was also critical of the idea that New Zealand might build its way out of Covid-19, saying that a crisis is no reason to build infrastructure projects that make no economic sense.

      One area where there should be increased stimulatory spending is housing. In this area, Douglas described something like a supercharged KiwiBuild paired with planning reform and a shared-equity scheme.

      Douglas said the key to getting housing right was “making a large quantity [of houses] available”. The Government had to go into section development, while making sure land was released for building by reforming planning laws. There was plenty of land out there, but not enough capital to develop it.

      Low-income people could be helped into housing through a shared-equity scheme, where the Government would take on part of their mortgage.

      When asked how his state-backed building scheme would succeed where KiwiBuild failed, Douglas said it was a matter of getting the right people involved to notch up big productivity gains.

      He pointed to what the Government was able to achieve with state asset sales in the 1980s.

      That last sentence might have B & a few others, including me, growling their disapproval at the number of wide boys who picked up the family silver cutlery for a song, asset-stripped, & unloaded it, rocketing themselves into the big money league but not doing much for the enterprises’ employees.

      Douglas said he was particularly worried about the sustainability of New Zealand’s superannuation.

      “I think NZ is in a lot more trouble than in the 80s. If we don’t deal with it, we’re going to be in deep trouble,” he said.

      Good luck with that one. No government has won an election yet trying get that policy past the punters…

      Douglas’s ideas are unlikely to find much favour in the current Cabinet. Last year Robertson was even asked whether he would follow Douglas’s example and resign after presiding over a budget that was leaked. Robertson responded, “In my life, I have made it my ambition not to follow what Roger Douglas does”.

      Oh? Will Simon or the next leader of the Nats pick up anything worth making National’s policy, one wonders.

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  2. Blazer

     /  5th May 2020

    What a start to the day..The Taxpayers Union doing something worthwhile ..
    ‘Data gathered by the Taxpayers’ Union for the 2017/18 financial year show Auckland Council had 2473 staff earning over $100,000 from 10,259 employees; Christchurch had 534 from 2135 staff; and Wellington City Council had 261 staff on $100,000 or more from 2128 employees’-the old ‘going rate for talent’!

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/121389628/bloated-salaries-at-christchurch-council-where-1-in-4-earn-over-100k

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  3. lurcher1948

     /  5th May 2020

    I dislike our new (bought by Peter Jackson)Wellington mayor, Andy Foster who goes on eye watering expensive courses on how to manage people,he cut back on rubbish collection at level 4,no bottles or recycling,and the idiot wants a popup bike lane removing ALL THE CARPARKS around Oriental parade to be built for the honk and spit lycra, cycle brigade…what a wasted vote,our central library is permanently closed and all this mental giant is focusing on is a convention centre . What is it with Wellington mayors and cycle lanes…they are besotted with them

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    • Gezza

       /  5th May 2020

      My recycling wheelie bin – which only ever needed to be put out once every 4-6 weeks – is now permanently full & every week, feeling like a sinner, I have to do as he told us & fill up half my rubbish bag with recyclables.

      All in all, neighbour, I agree with you. Not best impressed with our shock new Mayor.

      Andy will have to go. He & that waste of a Parliamentary bench seat, O’Connor. Outski asap.

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      • He was hardly ‘bought’ by Peter Jackson; all donations were open and above board.The donation wasn’t that big.

        I like Andy; I was at Vic with him. He’s a good bloke.

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        • Gezza

           /  5th May 2020

          People change sometimes Kitty. The rot can set in. Couldn’t see any problem with Justin Lester. The council under Andy is so beset with infighting they were talking about bringing in a facilitator or even a Commisioner according to Stuff.co a week or so ago.

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  5th May 2020

    The difference between hate filled knuckle dragging rightwingers and a normal New Zealander like me who is proud of NZ is ,how does Kiwiblog owner Mr Farrar enjoy life when he attracts the mentally inferior posters from anywhere who just hate for the sake of hate nastiness,and abusing New Zealand’s PM Jacinda Arden

    Bloody Aussies; taking the piss out of Kiwis again. Things are pretty grim at the moment so when they wanted comic relief at their cabinet meeting, they called on the village idiot from across the ditch to bobble and serve fish and chips at the soiree
    .
    I notice Simon Bridges wasn’t invited but the average Australian is to thick to understand his accent

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    • Gezza

       /  5th May 2020

      I reckin some people, mainly from the farming communidy, in tha Wycaddo, sound a lot like Ostraylyins. I just haven’t figured out witch state in Oz theer aksent approximates. And, of course, our lot say fish n chips, not feesh en cheeps.

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  5. If I had written two months ago that America would lose 100,000 to COVID19 you would have laughed your heads off. As it was, the Trumpagandists here poured scorn all over me.

    Turns out I was right all along. Trumps failure to act means that America has now lost 70,000.

    And in the past two weeks Trump’s mob has moved from projecting 50,000 to quietly doubling that.

    We are being gaslit, yet again, into accepting a scale of death and destruction by a Trump-led government that exhibits all the skill, intellect and humanity of the virus itself.

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    • Pink David

       /  5th May 2020

      You are missing all the good news. Deaths from heart attacks, strokes, cancer, and all the usual causes have almost disappeared. A remarkable achievement.

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EW6-pfaXgAAKHEm?format=jpg&name=medium

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      • Blazer

         /  5th May 2020

        I want to hear your conspiracy theory…unadulterated…c’mon!

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        • Pink David

           /  5th May 2020

          It’s not a conspiracy theory. It’s a stated fact. Anyone who is suspected as having Covid-19 is counted as a Covid-19 death, regardless of cause of death. That’s a matter of policy. the numbers you are seeing are simply not what they are presented as.

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          • “suspected as having”

            They don’t say ‘suspected’, they say probable, and when that proves incorrect they reclassify them.

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          • Alan Foster

             /  5th May 2020

            “Stated Fact???”
            An estimated additional 180 – 195 deaths per day occurring at home in New York City due to COVID-19 are not being counted in the official figures. “Early on in this crisis we were able to swab people who died at home, and thus got a coronavirus reading. But those days are long gone. We simply don’t have the testing capacity for the large numbers dying at home. Now only those few who had a test confirmation *before* dying are marked as victims of coronavirus on their death certificate. This almost certainly means we are undercounting the total number of victims of this pandemic,” said Mark Levine, Chair of New York City Council health committee [source]

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  5th May 2020

    The National Party and Stuart Smith worry about the small stuff,Smith is wailing about Behrouz Boochani a Kurdish writer ,who looks like a good sort he’s seeking asylum in a article in today’s DomPost, right next to the large article on Boochani is a story about a slave owner who paid his workers $8 hour,a person called Mohammid Atiqul Islam*,his sentence of 4 years and 5 months in jail…my question who would be the better New Zealander??
    *he still owes his workers $260000

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  7. FEMA’s latest projections for COVID-19 cases and deaths in America. Pages 10 & 11 say it all.

    https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6926-mayhhsbriefing/af7319f4a55fd0ce5dc9/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

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  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  5th May 2020

    I used this metaphor yesterday and today find this full expression of it:
    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/04/dont-sacrifice-freedom-at-the-altar-of-safety/

    We will be safe and sorry.

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  9. Pink David

     /  5th May 2020

    Protect the NHS has been a headline in the UK for weeks and was the justification for the lockdowns there. The cost of that lockdown is now going to exceed the total annual cost of the NHS just in the wage subsidy alone.

    Half of all adults in the UK are now paid by the government.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/05/04/half-adults-now-paid-state/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1588625847

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  10. Pink David

     /  5th May 2020

    A rather good view of Covid in Europe;

    It’s over in most of Europe and coming to an end where it isn’t over.

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    • Griff.

       /  5th May 2020

      It is taken from here .
      https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/
      Now why would some one fuck with data and crop much away ?
      I now
      Right wing bullshite for halfwits not smart enough to sport the deception.

      Also the drop at the end is due to reporting lags not a drop in deaths.

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      • Pink David

         /  5th May 2020

        “Now why would some one fuck with data and crop much away ”

        In what way has the data been fucked with and cropped?

        “Also the drop at the end is due to reporting lags not a drop in deaths.”

        Is it now. All across europe reported from Covid are dropping dramatically exactly as expected when a pandemic ends. You are claiming this is just because they are not being reported?

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  11. Gezza

     /  5th May 2020

    What’s become of me bro, the lively & irrepressible Corks, of late ? Been favouring us with only rare & but fleeting appearances these past daze.

    Wonder if he’s out there undercover doing reconnaissance of ferals, or perhaps delving deeply into yet more suppressed science the scientific & medical establishments are wilfully refusing to acknowledge ?

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  12. Gezza

     /  5th May 2020

    It’s a miserable, cold, wet day at Pookden Manor. I notice all the birds who’re visiting outside the kitchen have fluffed their feathers up & look like right little chubs.

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    • Not here; there’s been a cold wind at intervals, now gone, which waited until I pranced out in my short sleeved, below the knee dress. Also the kind of tee-hee, you didn’t see that coming shower. But otherwise it’s warm and sunny, and has been most of the day. No fat birds here. They are busily stripping the local toitois in their usual inconsiderate way.

      How to get around the phone orders only rule (what a pointless one) Stand at the door, make the classic phone hand gesture and ask for a scoop of chips.

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      • Gezza

         /  5th May 2020

        Only 8°C outside. Wind’s picking up. A Southerly. Henny Blackbird is sheltering under the lemon tree, trying to look wet & miserable & looking up hopefully from time to time for some breadchunks to be thrown to her. (Supplied of course; she knows I’m a softie).

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        • It still can’t make its blasted mind up. We had the most beautiful golden light a little while ago, followed by a diagonal shower for a few minutes followed by a magnificent rainbow. But it’s not very cold.

          The birds were all waiting in the big tree this morning and acting as if they were starving as they fell on their bread. Humbugs.

          Have you sung the Lemon Tree song to Henny ?

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          • Gezza

             /  5th May 2020

            No. Can you find it on Youtube & cooy & paste the URL here?

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          • Gezza

             /  5th May 2020

            It’s bitterly cold & wet outside. So dark the automatic sensored street lights have all come on. I’ve been listening to a pookling calling out plaintively in the darkness from nearby over the fence, & can hear Sweety responding with her distinctive “come here” calls from somewhere upstream. Perhaps the young ones, though old enuf at 5+ months to get their own food & build theirvown skerping nests, do still try & huddle with an adult pook on cold nights?

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            • Gezza

               /  5th May 2020

              Goodness me 🙄 Let me try that again. 😠

              Perhaps the young ones, though old enuf at 5+ months to get their own food & build their own sleeping nests, do still try & huddle with an adult pook on cold nights?

            • ”m sorry, I’ll read that again….’

            • ‘I’m sorry, I’ll read that again…’

  13. Gezza

     /  5th May 2020

    Sad but simple & beautiful.

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  14. lurcher1948

     /  5th May 2020

    SHOCK, HORROR white folks block roads, the police should step in,where are they??

    ,

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    • Gezza

       /  5th May 2020

      Smokescreening, Private Lurchy. Tactical forces may be up to something behind the smoke. Stay vigilant. Hold on to your whenua. No need to panic. But patrol your perimeter. Take the dogs with you. Get on the blower to here at HQ if you spot any suspicious troop movements.

      Over & out
      Sir Gerald, GOC

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  15. lurcher1948

     /  5th May 2020

    PG i couldn’t help it,I’m watching question time Parliament, and a member on the opposition side always brings me back to this Youtube clip..I’m sorry i cannot help it PG..do i need help?

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    • Gezza

       /  5th May 2020

      That one is so disgusting I couldn’t bear to watch it ever again after the last time you posted it.. However it seems that, sadly, you are addicted to this vomit-worthy clip.

      Please see a professional at your earliest opportunity. We can’t afford to have you beaking down in a crisis if the ballon goes up, Private Lurchy.

      Corporal Mrs Lurchy will have to take over payrolling your perimeter during your treatment.

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      • Gezza

         /  5th May 2020

        *balloon (ballon if you are a Frog, I gather)

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      • Gezza

         /  5th May 2020

        😬

        and *patrolling. (I blame paint fumes.)

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        • I saw part of it once years ago, and was almost sick myself. It totally let the Monty Python side down and I can’t see anything funny in it. It’s capping revue level, if that.

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          • Gezza

             /  5th May 2020

            Possibly appeals to drunkards & ne’er do wells, madam. Not the types we wish to encourage moving in to the neighbourhood.
            Sir Gerald

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            • Don’t forget those who put on capping revues where not much is too gross to be unacceptable.

        • lurcher1948

           /  5th May 2020

          Gezza, what’s your poison, Mate, we are all under cabin fever….settle pettel

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          • Gezza

             /  5th May 2020

            My poison these days is a rare but usually enjoyed single nip rum & coke, Private.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  5th May 2020

              Is that when you beak a little, G?

            • Gezza

               /  5th May 2020

              Lost me there, I’m afraid, Sir Alan.

              I trust the hot tub & Mrs Sir Alan’s company in it yesterday evening has restored your equilibrium?

              What are you & the dogs up to?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  5th May 2020

              Well, you were concerned about Lurch beaking down, Sir Gerald, so I wondered if you had some experience.

              I can report Mrs Sir Al’s company was excellent and my equilibrium is splendiferous. Though doing accounts today was my least preferred follow up. Dog is due for a walk. Must go.

            • Gezza

               /  5th May 2020

              Oh. I see. An undetected typo in my comms to Private Lurchy.
              How embarrassing. Paint fumes, Sir Alan, no doubt. Chemical warfare perhaps. Don’t mention it to anyone else & they may not even notice.
              Enjoy the hunt. Tally ho & all that.

              Sir Gerald.

  16. lurcher1948

     /  5th May 2020

    Gezza ,this person has just died,Mr Creasolte, this represents the peak of his skills,He like me likes fitter looking people, i have dogs(what a sad fuck),you hang around with sexy looking birds.and chicks.we have our shortcomings

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    • Gezza

       /  5th May 2020

      Noted, Private Lurchy. Not entirely understood, but noted nonethless.
      Good man.

      Keep those eyes peeled for intruders. Stay off the hilltops
      Carry on.

      Sir Gerald 💂🏻

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  17. Zedd

     /  5th May 2020

    just watched Q-time:

    more of simon, (brilcreme) acting like an angry terrier barking at RED, Grn & Blk carz

    meanwhile the Govt. are ‘just getting on with it’ 🙂

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  5th May 2020

      Any sign of the Minister of Health, Z? Or has he been arrested for illegal travel again?

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    • Gezza

       /  5th May 2020

      Blimey, Zedd. What’s this about?

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/121407995/nationals-simon-bridges-hits-the-right-note-with-policy-plan

      Mutafa Shufti – that headline might send some of those more delicate Lefties who’re at the best of times close to the edge right over the brink …

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      • Gezza

         /  5th May 2020

        Exhibiting an air of confidence. Resolute walk, on streets seemingly littered with gold.
        Sacre bleu!

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        • lurcher1948

           /  5th May 2020

          A total MAORI fuckwit,this is simons problem HES A MAORI,NZ doesn’t want a Maori PM but national wants one?????????fuckwits

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        • Gezza

           /  5th May 2020

          I dunno how many you’ve had neighbour but it looks like maybe you should’ e stopped about 3 stubbies ago.

          For a start, apart from that very embarrassing attempt immediately upon his elevation the the rank of National numero uno to claim his Maori heritage, Simon shows every sign of that claim being about the very limit of his Maoriness. And if he hadn’t said it; no one would ever know. He’s a Pakeha, thru n thru.

          Even if he is a fuckwit – what’s so worthy of your special contempt that you so stupidly call him him a “Maori Fuckwit”?

          Are all Maori fuckwits to you?

          What do you mean NZ doesn’t want a Maori PM? We’ve had one. Norm Kirk. I was hugely saddened by his untimely passing. Did you celebrate it? NZ would happily have another Maori PM if they’re NZers first & Maori 2nd, as he was.

          Why don’t you go & watch tv?

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        • Zedd

           /  5th May 2020

          he’s no John Key.. BUT does Aotearoa really need another one ? NO THX

          bye bye soimin

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      • Gezza

         /  5th May 2020

        “It is a tough gig being opposition leader at the best of times, let alone up against a popular and charismatic leader leading the nation in a climate of fear. Not only that, as New Zealand hits its second day with no new Covid cases, the Government’s health-led response appears to be a resounding success.

        In his speech to BusinessNZ today, however, where he promised $100,000 GST cash back to lockdown- affected businesses, Bridges started striking the right note.

        For a start he has been positive: although all the usual political point-scoring applied, he has announced a new policy that, were it to be enacted, would greatly assist many small businesses which are currently being nursed through the continued lockdown. It is new, it has been roughly costed (at a cool $8 billion it is not chump change) and it is specifically designed to support small businesses which will struggle to make payroll once they can start operating again.

        The second policy announced — a temporary instant asset write-off for investments of up to $150,000 (supercharging the Government’s $5000, which was increased only in March) is also good policy given the circumstances. It is designed to provide an extra incentive for firms to invest as the lockdown continues to wind down.”

        Still needs to work on that atrocious accent & the foot-shooting tho.

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      • Duker

         /  5th May 2020

        Malpass… used to be an analyst at a ‘libertarian think tank’ and then a reporter at Australian financial review….probably never seen a conservative politician he didnt like
        All his stories are along the lines of ‘Key</s English Bridges hits the right mark…’

        https://www.afr.com/opinion/new-zealands-key-shows-abbott-how-its-done-20150215-13f7e7

        Hes the political editor of Stuff now, but blink and you would miss his stories

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        • Gezza

           /  5th May 2020

          I have the good fortune to not be politically tribal so I can look at these kinds of articles without feeling the obsessive need to attack the author & dismiss whatever they say.

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    • Zedd

       /  5th May 2020

      I think Dr Clark was hiding on the back-benches

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      • If Jacinda’s got any sense she’ll have some flunky out actively looking for a lucrative job for Clark outside Parliament & maybe outside the party. He’s a millstone around her neck. Should move him & Twyford on.

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  18. Alan Wilkinson

     /  5th May 2020

    The US is stepping up anti-China diplomacy/deals and includes NZ:

    The United States is pushing to create an alliance of “trusted partners” dubbed the “Economic Prosperity Network,” one official said. It would include companies and civil society groups operating under the same set of standards on everything from digital business, energy and infrastructure to research, trade, education and commerce, he said.

    The U.S. government is working with Australia, India, Japan, New Zealand, South Korea and Vietnam to “move the global economy forward,” Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said April 29.

    These discussions include “how we restructure … supply chains to prevent something like this from ever happening again,” Pompeo said.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-china/trump-administration-pushing-to-rip-global-supply-chains-from-china-officials-idUSKBN22G0BZ

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  19. What appalling cruelty the PM and her team have shown to people like the young woman who wants to see her mother who has days to live and may not make it until the 14 days is up, the one who isn’t let to be with her father when he goes to hospital for cancer treatment and the one whose husband wasn’t let to be with her when she lost their baby. The list goes on and on. How can they be so heartless ?

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    • Gezza

       /  5th May 2020

      These will most likely be decisions by bureaucratic functionaries with no empathy & little life experience beyond the confines of their own homes and office.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  5th May 2020

      Fools with a rule and too much power.

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  20. Gezza

     /  5th May 2020

    If there was no Cookie Bear, would we still have Shewsburys?

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