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  1. Griff.

     /  6th May 2020

    SIX NZs: WHICH GROUP ARE YOU?

    Alarmed (14 per cent): Fully convinced of the reality and seriousness of climate change and already taking individual, consumer, and political action to address it.

    Concerned (28 per cent): Also convinced that climate change is happening and a serious problem, but have not yet engaged in the issue personally.

    Cautious (8 per cent) and Disengaged (27 per cent): Average scores for Cautious and Disengaged people are almost identical, however the Disengaged have stronger belief in climate change and want stronger societal action, but display weaker behaviours and personal involvement.

    Doubtful (17 per cent): Generally question climate change or don’t believe it is a problem, however their behaviours show they are not engaged in the issue.

    Dismissive (6 per cent): Actively disbelieve in climate change and want a weak or no response from society. Actively oppose national efforts to cut emissions.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/300003806/six-new-zealands-of-climate-change-which-one-are-you

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    • Gezza

       /  6th May 2020

      Can’t see myself clearly among those choices at the moment. 🤔

      Hang on, I’ll have a butchers’ @ the article. See if that helps. 😐

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      • Gezza

         /  6th May 2020

        Superb timing there, PG. Good one. Ok, I’ll comment there when ready.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  6th May 2020

      Why do you think you can categorize individuals into groups, Griff? Only Lefties group think?

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      • Blazer

         /  6th May 2020

        ‘Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.’ John Maynard Keynes

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  6th May 2020

          Just change the word “Capitalism” to “Socialism” and you have a statement that has stood the test of history, B.

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          • Blazer

             /  6th May 2020

            John Maynard Keynes has certainly stood the test of history…Al.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  6th May 2020

              Not that statement, B. It’s plainly rubbish on all levels.

      • Griff.

         /  6th May 2020

        ROFL
        Alan is a Boomer and on the fringe.
        He had a rant about politics in science .
        He is so self unaware he does not release every thing he says about climate change is based on fringe political views and not based on science. What science he deems worth agreeing with comes from a demonstrably right wing nut job and creationist religious wacko .
        Every single major scientific body disagrees with his views .
        That makes Alan at best a fringe crank .

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  6th May 2020

          So your answer is you don’t think, you just rant, Griff. Well, that’s clear then.

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  2. David

     /  6th May 2020

    Cautiously Alarmed. Bit difficult to label precisely like the survey wants.

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  3. lurcher1948

     /  6th May 2020

    Lifes good…as a pensioner,Genesis Energy has given us 8 hrs of free power 6 am to 2 pm today and Saint Jacinda Ardern upped our power subsidy,Corky will feel happy for me,a pensioners problem, do i use my X-Trail or my wifes Corolla GLX to go to QE2 park today to walk the dogs

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    • Gezza

       /  6th May 2020

      Which one stands the best chance of outrunning the cops when they stop & ask you if this trip is essential business?

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      • lurcher1948

         /  6th May 2020

        Gezza went through a police checkpoint at the weigh station Plimmerton the other day and was asked where i was going,i said QE2 to walk the dogs and he said “enjoy” mind you the dogs were going off like skyrockets. There was a very large number of police and their cars.There was a police car at the turn of to the cemetery to turn back the refused,and naughty

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        • Gezza

           /  6th May 2020

          Good to hear there’s intelligent cops 👮🏻 out there using their commonsense, neighbour. 👍🏼

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        • Gezza

           /  6th May 2020

          Blimmin nippy out there at 8am this morning, but the sun’s out & it’s warming up nicely now. Enjoy your visit to QE2 park.

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  4. Gezza

     /  6th May 2020

    Sweety Pook, getting spoiled for being cute, after she snuck back late yesterday morning on her own to try her luck.

    Notice how carefully she is observing Jacinda’s requirement for social distancing, after I explained that because of Covid-19 she has to order at the Pookden Cafe and be served from a distance – and to take the food away asap.

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    • Gezza

       /  6th May 2020

      Was just out at the fence watching a battle royal going on down in the stream between Pookden’s pukekos & an interloper from upstream. A very noisy & vicious skirmish. Hope none of the birds are badly injured.

      While there I noticed that my Camellia tree is absolutely laden with buds & will be bedecked in full Winter flower soon:

      A thing I like about this tree is that it seems to thrive on neglect.

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      • My camellias have been flowering for weeks, or one of them has; the other has red flowers like hibiscuses and hasn’t been very prolific this year (not that it ever is; quality, not quantity) The first lot of flowers on the other tree were a bit limp and didn’t last long. The later blooming seems more lively.The daphne bush (for want of a better word) is covered with buds.

        There are waxeyes in the garden again, bless their little hearts.

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        • Gezza

           /  6th May 2020

          6 Pooks have approached the fence, streamside, & been provided with their afternoon rations.

          Two walking wounded. Perhaps unsurprising, given the ferocity of the skirmish I saw with another one or more pukekos from upstream attempting to enter their territory.

          Sweety is limping badly again, as is Aspen II.

          The pooklings were smart enuf to separate themselves from the fray & come down to the bank below the Manor.

          Commander Bluey appears unscathed & relaxed. Another young adult pook, smaller than Aspen & Bluey, the same size as Sweety, has been revealed through the attentions of young Aspen to be a female. Possibly this is Alex.

          From the noises made, a quick, unobserved, check from my dining room window reveals all 6 pooks have infiltrated my back yard, having gone over the top. As they are presently engaged in trimming my lawn & after this morning’s incident are probably due a little R&R in a safe zone, I shall leave them undisturbed, but not encourage them to remain with extra rations.

          Thank you.
          That is all.

          🛡 Sir Gerald Ormsby Battersea Bradders, UE, PVC, TV ⚔
          🐧 Avian Aviation Authority 🐧

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          • Gezza

             /  6th May 2020

            Gorgeous, cream-coloured full moon risen in crystal-clear skies above the Eastern Hills, & finally cleared my treetops. My favourite celestial body. Wellington’s weather & clouds work often wonderful colourful haloes & mulit-coloured pastiches around this major satellite that no artist could contemplate without first seeing them.

            The stream is running high but clear & subsiding after the last two days of rain runs off the hills into its tributaries. Elvira Longfin, absent of late, lazily & powerfully cruised up into her favourite spot under the small promontory on the far bank.

            I realised I still had some frozen minute steak for her in the fridge freezer compartment, so I quickly cut it into seven chunks, micro-defrosted them in a little tap water & threw them, one by one from the top of my bank over into the water about 2 metres ahead of her, hoping the current was not strong enuf to carry them away.

            She reacted immediately the first one hit the water, headed for the scent, then suddenly changed her mind, turned & swam straight over, going out of sight, to the Eel Spot, obviously expecting to be fed there as she remembers.

            Luckily she quickly realised I wasn’t down there, swam out into the current, & let herself drift backwards downstream for about 10 metres, then commenced undulating from one side of the stream to the other, picking up the scent of each meat chunk & zeroing in on them. You can see them, they look white in the water, as she comes up on them, noses down, & hoovers them up.

            Another of nature’s wonders, these beautiful fish.

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  5. David

     /  6th May 2020

    This is hilarious, Professor Ferguson caught breaking lockdown with a married far left activist, who lives in a $3.8 million dollar house as they do. I love these stories where some nob tells you how you should live your life and does the total opposite. David Clarkes English counterpart but with a more interesting level of hypocrisy.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-epidemiologist-behind-doomsday-model-resigns-after-breaking-lockdown-to-meet-married-lover-ferguson-responds

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    • Gezza

       /  6th May 2020

      Good God, man. Outrageous ! Is there no end to their perfidy ❓ 😠

      🛡 Sir Gerald ⚔

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    • Blazer

       /  6th May 2020

      missed the far left activist bit.
      The Prof is a Tory advisor…old chap.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  6th May 2020

        Even more traitorous to shack up with the loony Left then.

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      • David

         /  6th May 2020

        His lover is a left wing activist who lives in 3.8 million dollar house according to british media.

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        • Blazer

           /  6th May 2020

          pure fabrication.

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          • Gezza

             /  6th May 2020

            Maybe. You know this … how?

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            • Blazer

               /  6th May 2020

              ‘None of your business. For once you’ll have to accept that someone isn’t a liar.I know that you have difficulty with this concept, but that’s your hard luck.’ 🙂

            • Gezza

               /  6th May 2020

              Well, no I don’t. Whether or not I think someone’s a liar when they can’t back is determined by how well I know them & whether they have shown a previous tendency to bs & make shit up.

            • Gezza

               /  6th May 2020

              Let me try that again.

              Well, no I don’t. Whether I think someone’s a liar or not when they can’t back up what they say is determined by how well I know them, & whether they have shown a previous tendency to bs & make shit up.

            • Blazer is quoting me; I wouldn’t tell him where I lived when he wanted to know this. I had said that there was no covid in the area and never had been, which is true, The Ministry of Health has maps of where it is and lists of the names. My area is one that has never been on either, but Blazer tends to assume that people are lying, even when proof is available, and I don’t feel under any obligation to prove my word.

            • Gezza

               /  6th May 2020

              I know, Kitty. I thought I had dealt with this foolishness last night:

              https://yournz.org/2020/05/05/covid-daily-update-m-second-say-with-no-new-cases/#comment-415577

              This is the 3rd time he has plagiarised your writing in responses to me.

              Sadly it appears yet another strange obsession has taken a firm grip of his mind. If this sort of thing keeps happening there could eventually be little room for anything else but strange obsessions in there. 😬

              (I suggest you don’t tell him we had this conversation. You know what he can get like when he’s talked about.)

            • Blazer

               /  6th May 2020

              ‘ I wouldn’t tell him where I lived when he wanted to know this’

              I am not interested in knowing where you live and have NEVER asked you this….another lie in a long list.

            • Gezza

               /  6th May 2020

              She said you asked what area she lived in. Dance all the fancy footwork you like about HOW you asked, but the fact is …you did.

              https://yournz.org/2020/05/05/covid-daily-update-m-second-say-with-no-new-cases/#comment-415538

              SHE … is not lying. Others can draw their own conclusions as to your truthfulness.

              What area of Aucks do you live in, btw, B? I don’t think you’ve said.

            • Blazer

               /  6th May 2020

              what a load of crap…you are getting as bad as her…’ about HOW you asked, but the fact is …you did.

              There was nothing cryptic about what I said…1 cat or 2….no worries .

            • Gezza

               /  6th May 2020

              You really are a piece of work, Blazer. You’d be kicked out of a Trolls Convention for being too nasty.

            • Blazer

               /  6th May 2020

              here’s a deal for you Gezza…name a poster here …one reasonable,sane person …and if imo they meet that criteria…get them to rule on whether or not I asked KC where she lived…if they say I did..I will vanish from this site and leave you and her to..it.

            • Gezza

               /  6th May 2020

              Nobody is going to do that, & nobody needs to. The issue is that you asked Kitty what area she lived in by posting:

              “I do know that there are no cases; it’s one of the areas where there never have been. Testing has been done and not one case found.’

              drum roll…and that area is???”

              Kitty did not want to identify the area she lives in. Any more than you do, having twice refused to answer my enquiry about yours. Everything else since has been your being a complete obsessive twat about it.

              Grow up. Move on.

            • Blazer

               /  6th May 2020

              what b/s..as if that translates to asking where she lives!
              ‘I do know that there are no cases; it’s one of the areas where there never have been. Testing has been done and not one case found.’

              drum roll…and that area is???”

              wake up to yourself.

            • Gezza

               /  6th May 2020

              Do you realise just how absurd you are being over this ridiculous copy & paste obsession with her one simple reply. For god’s sake man. Move on. And get help.

            • Blazer

               /  6th May 2020

              listen up..you are the one who decided to hop in and back her ludicrous,untenable allegation.

              You and her have the problem.I told you how to resolve it.But you realise you both are f.o.s.

            • Gezza

               /  6th May 2020

              There’s no point in continuing to try & bait me with ya puerile nonsense, B. I’m not interested in carryingbon catering to your foolishness until PG has to step in & administer some slaps. Go away, you’re boring me now.

            • Blazer

               /  6th May 2020

              who cares….don’t care whether you swap recipes with her or not…if you want to play Sir Galahad….at least stay on the horse…some fair damsel!.

            • Gezza

               /  6th May 2020

              I fart in your general direction, m’sieu

              and I bid you adieu ❗️

          • Pink David

             /  6th May 2020

            “pure fabrication.”

            Antonia Staats, 38, lives with her husband and their children in a £1.9 million ($3.68 million) house, UK’s Daily Telegraph reported.

            Antonia Staats is a senior campaigner at “Avaaz”, a well-funded international left-wing activist organization known for promoting Greta, global warming and rallying for social media censorship (and many other left-wing causes)

            Avaaz, a U.S.-based nonprofit organization launched in January 2007, promotes global activism on issues such as climate change, human rights, animal rights, corruption, poverty, and conflict. The UK-based newspaper The Guardian considers it “the globe’s largest and most powerful online activist network”.

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            • Blazer

               /  6th May 2020

              never mind the Tory owned msm.
              ‘Avaaz empowers millions of people from all walks of life to take action on pressing global, regional and national issues, from corruption and poverty to conflict and climate change. Our model of internet organising allows thousands of individual efforts, however small, to be rapidly combined into a powerful collective force’

              Seems laudable, unless you are a staunch status quo,droogue and abhor informed discussion about vital issues affecting people all over the..globe.

            • Pink David

               /  6th May 2020

              “never mind the Tory owned msm.”

              The Guardian is the Tory owned MSM?

              “Seems laudable”

              Yes. Let’s judge people on their high minded claims of virtue and ignore what they actually do. I’m sure that won’t be a problem at all.

              Why did you lie?

            • Gezza

               /  6th May 2020

              Might pay not to put lunch on hold while waiting for a reply to that one, Pinky.

              Just saying. 😎

            • Blazer

               /  6th May 2020

              I pride myself on not telling lies…no need to.

            • Blazer

               /  6th May 2020

              and then there were…3!
              So Soros is a lefty now….unbelievable.

      • Pink David

         /  6th May 2020

        “The Prof is a Tory advisor…old chap.”

        He is not a Tory advisor. You know this and yet you still lie about it. Why is that?

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  6th May 2020

          Typical Blazer, PD. He is a troll almost totally unconcerned with truth and misrepresentation is his habit.

          I considered correcting that one but it is pointless as he will just repeat it again later no matter how often you document the truth.

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        • I wonder if he believes these things himself or thinks that we do.

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          • Blazer

             /  6th May 2020

            well even though G is defending your lying today…he did not approve of your shoplifting incident….he said it was not something he would do…and neither would most…decent people.

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            • Oh, let it drop and accept that it’s not shoplifting if an item’s been paid for and been left behind outside the shop. It’s become an obsession with you that I found something worth $1 and kept it. It wasn’t in the shop and unless the person who lost it had stolen it, no way was it shoplifting. Let it go !

            • You are in print asking where I lived; how can you deny it ? You can’t say it’s a lie when your own words are still there, forsooth.

            • Blazer

               /  6th May 2020

              drop it…stop telling lies would help.
              Like I asked you where you live..as if ……………..hopeless.

            • Blazer

               /  6th May 2020

              b/s ..never asked that at all ,how many times do you need to be told.

              Comprehension not your strong point is it!3 letters after your name alright=.N.F.I.

              Tell someone else black is white.

    • Pink David

       /  6th May 2020

      This guy is the primary person behind the worldwide lockdown. He’s been wrong in every prediction he has ever made and is a complete shit. But of course he believes he is special;

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      • Gezza

         /  6th May 2020

        Just a minor observation perhaps worth mentioning. If he’s been having it off with someone else’s missus, doesn’t that rather suggest that he’s been an incomplete shit?

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        • They needn’t have been having an affair just because she visited the house.

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          • Pink David

             /  6th May 2020

            Of course. She, however, has told people she was in an open marriage and considered Ferguson part of her ‘bubble’.

            I guess that means it’s not an affair, it’s polyamory.

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        • Pink David

           /  6th May 2020

          “having it off with someone else’s missus, doesn’t that rather suggest that he’s been an incomplete shit?”

          Not in my view. Having your own missus makes you less of a shit in my book. Borrowing someone else’s, open marriage or not, just adds to the shittiness.

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          • Gezza

             /  6th May 2020

            Just be grateful I’m not Corky, Pinky, or I’d give you a scathing & pugnacious lecture on your lack of lateral thinking ability.

            We will speak no more of this.

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            • Pink David

               /  6th May 2020

              Well, I’m enough of a lateral thinker to agree she is not having an affair. Polyamory is quite the thing for the chattering classes in the social justice world around London.

  6. Alan Wilkinson

     /  6th May 2020

    Long delays for postal and courier services. I’ve waited over a week for non-delivery to date for several things and even from Whangarei just an hour’s drive away.

    A combination of high volume and decreased productivity from H&S constraints that will impact our lives and welfare ongoing.

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    • Blazer

       /  6th May 2020

      gee you’re doin it…tough Al.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  6th May 2020

        It’s held up some jobs I wanted to do and it is going to build poor productivity into the whole economy until things change. The courier companies will quickly cope with the increased demand but the H&S costs will be a permanent hit to productivity.

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        • Blazer

           /  6th May 2020

          To what do you attribute the stagnation of ‘productivity’ in NZ prior to C19?

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  6th May 2020

            RMA, Building regulations, declining education

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            • Blazer

               /  6th May 2020

              so many factors that can be addressed then.
              This Govt seems to be acknowledging your concerns and acting.

    • Gezza

       /  6th May 2020

      An item on 1ewes at 6 last night showed courier companies around the country are flat to the floor with deliveries. The massive increase in numbers of deliveries to individual houses – as opposed to regular runs to commercial premises – is causing a few delays across the industry.

      Makes me wonder how retail is going to fare when we come out of lockdown, now that so many more people will have got addicted to online shopping & ordering.

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      • I do online for things that I don’t need to look at rather than haul things like a microwave home. My vacuum cleaner was an online order as I didn’t need to look at that.The $5 delivery charge is well worth it. The weedeater cost $7 for the delivery, but it was worth it not to go to town for something so boring.

        But for things like clothes, it’s nicer to go in and look. I think that people will go back to doing what they did before eventually.

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        • Gezza

           /  6th May 2020

          Yes, agree about clothes. Also shoes. Best to examine for defects & try on before you buy with those. Took a punt with my new blue Macpac Polar Fleece & it worked out well, but with most clothes I’d rather get into the gear & get some passing female to give me their opinion.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  6th May 2020

            I’m sure their opinion will be that you should stay in the gear, Sir Gerald.

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            • Gezza

               /  6th May 2020

              One never knows one’s luck , Sir Alan.

              It’s been a policy of mine for some years now. Especially where one only wants one clothing item from a choice of 2 or more possibilities, & is shopping alone.

              Dates from the time I was shopping for a new pair of slim fit jeans. I was unable to decide easily from two different cuts, both of which looked ok to me, but I could only afford one pair at the time.

              So I asked a fair damsel (probably in her late 30s/early 40s) in the store if she could assist me, with the disarming smile you know that I am capable of calling upon. She was only too happy to oblige, and when I had modelled each pair before her critical eye – said “The first pair!”

              As I endeavour to learn from these experiences for next time, & might not necessarily agree with their reasoning , I said:

              “Ok. Why ?”

              She said: “They’re sexier.”

              I have retained this policy for reasons that require no further exposition, I trust.

              Good day, Sir.
              Sir Gerald

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  6th May 2020

              Excellent judgement, Sir Gerald.

  7. duperez

     /  6th May 2020

    Last night TVNZ showed the Kubrick movie ‘Full Metal Jacket.’ A coincidence to see it a week after it being said more Americans had died of the virus than in the Viet Nam war.

    I hadn’t seen the acclaimed movie till now, it certainly is a good piece of work. I haven’t been to Viet Nam but know numerous people who have. If I were to go there now I think the ghosts of that past would be in me.

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    • Gezza

       /  6th May 2020

      I’ve never seen it either. Wonder if it’ll be on TVNZ On Demand?

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  8. Duker

     /  6th May 2020

    On the earlier topic of INTERESTING LEVELS OF HYPOCRISY, we have our Mikey
    I wonder whats the value of the house/houses he lives in …..as hypocrites do, its their stain apparently

    Its one thing to be a ‘one off hypocrite’ but a serial offender
    1. We need to stop overreacting to coronavirus Mar 6
    2. The government shouldn’t be too quick to intervene in the economy ( early Mar)
    3. The government should have been quicker to intervene in the economy( 1 week later)
    4. We need to shut the country down Mar 23
    5. We didn’t need to shut the country down 1 apr

    and then the gall “One of Newstalk ZB’s promotions for Hosking’s show reads ‘the vital news you need to know, here and now’.
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018741210/mike-hosking-s-many-contradictory-takes-on-covid-19

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    • Alan Foster

       /  6th May 2020

      Classic shock jock tactics

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      • The real shock is that people listen to him.

        If he can’t grow a proper beard, he should buy a razor.

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        • Gezza

           /  6th May 2020

          Top right. Wearing one of Kate’s jackets again, too.

          Poor woman can probably never decide what to wear until she gets up, checks her wardrobe, & sees what he’s left for her.

          Man has no shame.

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          • First out, best dressed, as we used to say in the nurses’ home.

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            • That jacket with the white trim is the top half of a suit – a woman’s suit with a skirt. You don’t think…oh, no, please, no…..

  9. Alan Wilkinson

     /  6th May 2020

    Great article, paywalled but too good not to share. Reportedly UK imported 20,000 infected people before closing its borders.
    ‐—-‘z
    Telegraph Lifestyle Women Politics
    Is this a life worth living – or merely an existence?

    ALLISON PEARSON

    This week could be the beginning of the end or is it just the end of the beginning? On Sunday night, the Prime Minister will address the nation. Hungrily we await some crumbs of hope from him. Tomorrow, the extension to the original lockdown which Boris announced all those years ago, on the 23rd of March, runs out. Back then, I wrote that I could just about imagine staying in isolation until the end of the Spring Bank Holiday. Well, it looks like I was right. May the 26th is hotly tipped to be the date when some normal functioning in the UK is allowed to resume. Alas, the “new normal” features precious little of what makes us enjoy being alive.

    If you were being charitable you would describe the Government’s approach as cautious. Timorous is another word. Pant-wetting has been known to be used by the more exasperated critics. I have always supported the lockdown – no one could possibly take a gamble with so many lives – but getting out of it is a much bigger problem than it needed to be. Rational countries like Denmark, Germany and the Czech Republic are already doing so without all this fuss and bother. Unfortunately, having scared the public half to death to ensure compliance, ministers now fear the public who believed everything they were told.

    A staggering 70 per cent of Britons say they will be nervous to leave their homes even after lockdown is eased, vastly more than in any other country. What a bitter irony it is that, as we prepare to commemorate the 75th anniversary of VE Day, Brits are the Nervous Nellies of Europe. The Blitz could not destroy the spirit of the British people, but 24/7 bombardment by scaremongering news media has succeeded where the Luftwaffe failed.

    A shocking new YouGov poll found that 28pc of people don’t want the restrictions lifted at all. What, not even if the Government’s five strict tests for easing lockdown are met? Nope, not even then.

    Now, that really is terrifying. More than half of all adults are being paid by the state, according to a nervous Rishi Sunak. Our society will be back in the Victorian workhouse faster than you say epidemiologist if a quarter of its citizens seriously believe they can remain economically inactive.

    Don’t get me wrong; people have cause to be afraid. I just think they’re fearful of the wrong thing. This is like that moment on a beach in Sri Lanka when the ocean suddenly recedes. Families are still playing on the sand, children laughing, but the giant wave is building, gathering pace and strength. Soon it will overwhelm them, destroying everything in its path – human beings, houses, businesses, jobs, bars, hotels, hopes. The economic tsunami is coming, you can be sure of that, which is why the UK needs to get over its coronaphobia – and fast.

    Please can we at least try to keep fears about the virus in proportion? As I know from my own patients (well on the road to recovery, thanks) it’s a tenacious bugger of an illness. Fortunately, most get a manageable version and the young may not notice they have it at all. According to the Office for National Statistics, only 215 people under the age of 60 with no pre-existing conditions have died at NHS England hospitals with Covid-19. That’s 215 fatalities out of all fit younger and middle-aged people and virtually our entire workforce. (Remember we lose 450 souls every single day to cancer.)

    Most working-age people simply do not need the paraphernalia of protections being demanded by trade unions who seem happy to milk the crisis for all its worth. The vast majority could keep calm and carry on, and children return to school, so long as they observe sensible hygiene measures and avoid contact with vulnerable groups. Meanwhile, those who are in a higher-risk category can either continue to self-isolate or employ that endangered commodity which, thankfully, the older generation still possesses in abudance: common sense. As I know from your emails, many would rather live to the full such life as is left to them than wither and die in solitary confinement. People deserve to be given that choice.

    The people did as they were bidden by the Government. They stayed home and supported the NHS so it was never overwhelmed. Now, with many hospitals empty and a hugely expanded critical-care capacity, the NHS can support the people as they figure out how best to live with the virus.

    Am I the only one who is depressed by the lack of context and positive attitude? Other countries announce the number of their citizens who have recovered from the virus. Not the UK. When Sweden publishes its Covid deaths it includes age and pre-existing health conditions so Swedes are able to make informed decisions about their own personal risk. By contrast, we are treated like a class of mixed infants: “Shhhh, you don’t need to know that yet!”

    We don’t want to be patronised. We want honesty. If people have, by and large, been patient and cooperative it’s because we were told that staying at home was for the greater good. If it emerges that lockdown, the longer it goes on, causes more harm than benefit then that cooperation is terminated. We know that thousands of non-Covid patients are not being diagnosed or treated, storing up calamity for years to come. Pubs and cafes are on Death Row. Patience is wearing thin.

    At Sunday’s Number 10 Press briefing, Michael Gove said that we might not return to the old normal “until we have a vaccine”. I have huge respect for Mr Gove, but he has got to be kidding. The most optimistic estimate says that a vaccine could be ready in 12 to 18 months. Clinical trials almost never succeed. The record for developing an entirely new vaccine is four years. The only certainty about a Covid vaccine is is that there will be no economy left by the time one is manufactured and half the population will be alcoholics and the other half on antidepressants.

    Dismayingly, the Prime Minister seems to share Mr Gove’s view that only a mass-produced vaccine will defeat corona. “It is humanity against the virus,” he told an international conference on Monday.

    Perhaps, but what will be left of humanity if these inhuman restrictions persist for much longer? Does Boris of all people truly believe that humanity can survive for months, even years, without touching or dancing or kissing or flirting or making love or hugging grandchildren and friends or restaurants or weddings or holidays or concerts or theatre or cinema or stadiums roaring with fans? In Germany, hair salons, zoos, museums and churches have all been allowed to open with no surge in infections; soon, we should do the same.

    You know, if he were writing his old column in this newspaper today, I bet the PM would be quoting Benjamin Franklin at us: “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

    I really hope that, in his speech on Sunday, one of our great libertarians trusts the British people, telling them to be cautious and kind, but not afraid. We can’t hide from the dangers corona poses for ever. In the past, our parents and grandparents lived with far worse, with polio, TB, smallpox; with bombs in the blackout too. Let the people choose for themselves. It is the best, most Conservative way out of this crisis.

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  10. Pink David

     /  6th May 2020

    Update on Sweden comparing the actual with what ‘the experts’ said would happen.

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    • Duker

       /  6th May 2020

      Greece 10 mill people..strong lockdown 150 dead and by end of month be slightly higher

      Sweden 10 mill people , weak restrictions almost 3000 dead and by end of month 4-5000?

      Which ‘live’ experiment do you prefer

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      • Pink David

         /  6th May 2020

        “Which ‘live’ experiment do you prefer”

        Good question.

        Belgium, 11 mil people, total lockdown, by the end of the month 10,000 dead.
        Belarus, 9 mil people, no lockdown, 107 dead.
        Czech Republic, 10m people, lockdown 250 odd dead
        Portugal, 9 mil people, semi-lockdown, 1000 dead.

        I’ve said this from the beginning, there is zero evidence that the lockdowns make the slightest difference in the outcome. None. There is no science to support them, and there is no real world data to support them. The lockdowns were only supported by China’s example and Neil ‘I’m special’ Ferguson’s computer model. Ferguson didn’t believe his own bullshit enough to not get his end away with a random fan girl. Why do you believe it?

        The theory of a lockdown being effective in suppressing a virus such as this has now been disproved completely n the real world. NZ has now to suffer the outcomes of that total lockdown in the real world consequences that are very well understood.

        NZ’s live experiment is about to begin. Very sadly, most of the western world has followed much of that path and the impact on all of us will be shorter, poorer lives.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  6th May 2020

          As I’ve noted, the parameters my model extracts from the data say that the total impact of the social distancing and lockdown was merely to halve the R value leaving it well above 1 whereas the testing, contact tracing and quarantining brought the infection to a halt.

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        • Blazer

           /  6th May 2020

          ‘ Ferguson didn’t believe his own bullshit enough to not get his end away with a random fan girl. ‘

          preposterous assumption.

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          • Pink David

             /  6th May 2020

            Blazer, he invited over the women he was fucking while he was actually infected with Covid-19. He broke the very rules he promoted to get his end away.

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  11. Pink David

     /  6th May 2020

    This is entertaining. Credit to Lisa for being so honest. Metoo was never about protecting women, it was all about political power and the ‘rules’ only apply to one side.

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    • Duker

       /  6th May 2020

      What do you want to believe…when it didnt happen or when it did happen

      What about the woman who Trump assaulted in Bloomingdales ?

      Biden has said ‘it never happened’ while Trump has said ‘shes not my type’
      Maybe the believing has to be accompanied by pattern of behaviour – Cosby, Weinstein , Trump.

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      • Trump’s statement was stupid. It implies that he would have done it had she been his type.

        It’s like Oscar Wilde’s mind-boggling idiocy when he was asked if he’d ever kissed a certain boy and answered that he hadn’t; the boy was very plain. Go directly to gaol….

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        • Gezza

           /  6th May 2020

          What chance, madam, did Oscar ever have of being a good, well-behaved sort of cove with a first name like Oscar, & a last name like Wilde? Stands to reason, one might think.
          Sir Gerald

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          • `His whole name was Oscar Fingal O’Flahertie Wills Wilde. I think that King Oscar was his godfather, but can’t be bothered to look through any of the Wilde bios to see if that’s right.

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            • I bet that his lawyer was groaning and thinking ‘Shut up, you fool, shut up…’ when he heard that about not kissing the boy.

              Alfred Douglas was a slithy tove. I have his autobio and he seriously expects people to believe that he had no idea that Oscar Wilde was like that. Dream on, Bosie.

              I stood out the Wilde house in Tite S and have always regretted not ringing the bell and asking if I could have a squiz; the worst that could have happened was that they’d say “No,’ and I’d at least have seen in. Standing where he and so many brilliant people stood was a dream come true.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  6th May 2020

          Not really, Kitty. If he had said he wasn’t there it would not imply that he would have done it if he had been there.

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          • Duker

             /  6th May 2020

            And the ‘general’ admission to sexual assault that was on tape…..any lawyer would say it indicates intent
            Any way Trump just says what he thinks , no need to understand any possible circumlocutions

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            • Pink David

               /  6th May 2020

              Any lawyer would point out that Trump made it very clear he had consent.

              “And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”

              You really should read what he actually said, and not just what you want.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  6th May 2020

              Hence the ridiculous attempts to redefine consent as requiring continual positive declarations given that it can be withdrawn non verbally or even in retrospect at any time.

            • Blazer

               /  6th May 2020

              quite right Al..a woman can say..o.k Donald you can take your hands off my pussy now…that’s long enough.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  6th May 2020

              Or she could just be old fashioned and slap his face.

            • Duker

               /  6th May 2020

              Of course Trump is going to say ‘ they let you do it’
              Oldest phrasevin the rapists ‘toolkit’….if you pardon the pun.
              A cop jailed last week for raping a colleague, said similar things along the lines of “asking for it/ let me do it”

      • Pink David

         /  6th May 2020

        “What do you want to believe…when it didnt happen or when it did happen”

        He’s the thing, my belief should be of no importance. The issue is how much evidence there is and what the outcome is. We have a system that deals with this and deals with it quite well.

        What is clear is that Reade has significant evidence that her claims stack up to some degree.

        “What about the woman who Trump assaulted in Bloomingdales ?”

        Did he? How do you know this? What evidence do you have of this event? Let’s face it, there is nothing other than her claim. There is zero evidence that Trump was even present at the time, or that she has even met Donald Trump.

        Why are the same people saying she should be ‘believed’, completely ignoring Reade?

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        • Duker

           /  6th May 2020

          They are ignoring Reade because there isnt a pattern of abuse with Biden.
          My mistake , it was Bergdorf Goodman

          Nothing but her claim?
          ‘Carroll says she told two friends of what allegedly happened more than 25 years ago, but never reported it to police. Both friends corroborated Carroll’s claim to New York magazine.”

          Zero evidence of even having met Donald Trump ?
          That was Prince Andrews claim until ‘the photo’

          “However, in the New York magazine article, Carroll provided a photograph which showed her meeting Trump in 1987 along with her then-husband and Trump’s then-wife Ivana.”…yep NEVER MET, except when they did.

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          • Pink David

             /  6th May 2020

            “They are ignoring Reade because there isnt a pattern of abuse with Biden.”

            He has been accused by 8 different women. Lisa Bloom’s tweet above alludes to this fact.

            “That was Prince Andrews claim until ‘the photo’”

            Well, I’m sure as soon as she reports it to police she can produce all the evidence she has and Trump can be charged.

            “yep NEVER MET, except when they did.”

            Awesome. Was that photo at the Bergdorf Goodman proving Trump was their on the day she claimed and in her presence, or somewhere else 10 years earlier and completely unrelated?

            https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/04/e-jean-carroll-sues-trump-defamation-alleged-rape-bergdorf-goodman

            She is suing him currently for defamation . Odd it isn’t for rape don’t you think?

            “I am filing this lawsuit for every woman who’s been pinched, prodded, cornered, felt-up, pushed against a wall, grabbed, groped, assaulted, and has spoken up only to be shamed, demeaned, disgraced, passed over for promotion, fired and forgotten.”

            I imagine she will be very quick to get Reade connected with a suitable lawyer and include Biden in the case.

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            • Tara Reade? Meh, you’re a fool (or a Russian bot) if you buy into her story. She’s changed it more often than you’ve had hot dinners.

              She pivoted again just last week. She now says that she filed a limited report with a congressional personnel office that did NOT accuse Joe Biden of either sexual assault or harassment.

              Why? Because her story ran up against a solid fact. That there is no report.

              Changing your story whenever new facts enter the picture is what liars do.

            • Pink David

               /  6th May 2020

              Well, that is a surprise coming from you. Are you Martin Tolchin?

              https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXRR_F-WkAIF6Qn?format=jpg&name=900×900

  12. lurcher1948

     /  6th May 2020

    Wow i laugh,Mr Farrars spinning like a top,BUT HERES ONE POST YOU WILL NEVER SEE on KIWIBLOG, “Simon Bridges is disliked by 93% of ALL NEW ZEALANDERS, spin that Mr Farrar…HAHAHAHA

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  6th May 2020

      But on that basis you and I are disliked by 100%, Lurch.

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    • I’m not going to show that to anyone here (at home).

      Reply
    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  6th May 2020

      Gave Mrs Al a great guffaw, Lurch. Then she said, “Don’t you ever do that to me!”

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    • Just a suggestion Lurchy…

      Everything after the question mark in that link is tracking data. You should be able to remove it all including the ? and still have a working link, one that doesn’t track you.

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  13. Alan Wilkinson

     /  6th May 2020
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    • Blazer

       /  6th May 2020

      what a peanut.
      Govt can change the law retrospectively….been done before.

      Reply
      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  6th May 2020

        Not if it is ruled unconstitutional.

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        • Duker

           /  6th May 2020

          There is no unconstitutional in NZ….no wonder your legal reasoning is all screwed

          Surely you would know plenty of demonstrators have been arrested at sitdowns or similar and the whole arrests have been ruled invalid. Or Kim Dotcom , search warrant invalid, the GCSB/SIS helping Police invalid, in fact so much of that case was found not legal it beggars belief that it’s still going.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  6th May 2020

            Have you told the Government yet? I sent you the link to the Government website that tells us the components of our constitution. Or do you just have a really bad blockage in your input channel?

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        • Gezza

           /  6th May 2020

          Don’t think it can be be ruled unconstitutional, Sir Alan.

          My former department once changed the law & made the new law’s application retrospective.

          I personally project-managed its implementation world-wide. Drove myself like an idiot, & needed time off afterward – working all hours, double & triple checking every aspect of all the work done by everyone from all units on the team or off it.

          Normally these quarterly release changes that this project was part of were followed on the weekend or Monday by queries from offshore & onshore. So I waited, with the team, all Monday, all Tuesday. There were none. At all. Ever. Couldn’t believe it. Written commendation from CEO. Coffee at Minsoff.

          I questioned our CLO early on when I saw what he proposed: “I thought retrospective legislation was forbidden under NZ law?”

          “No, it isn’t Gez. It’s just a convention. A very powerful one, but just a convention.”

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  6th May 2020

            Geddis said the court will be weighing up both what was intended by Parliament in 1956 which passed the Health Act, with what our modern constitution has to say.

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            • Gezza

               /  6th May 2020

              Oh, I see. I was talking about whether or not law can be changed retrospectively.

              Yes, my recollection of some of Palmer’s writings on the subject is that we do have a constitution, of sorts, it’s just not all written down in one place in one instrument. The finer detail I’d need to dredge up but I’m about to start repainting the kitchen walls in a few minutes.

              Done the prep including sugar soap wash & fiddly bits. I’m doing it in 2 halves, so I still have a working cookery from either side.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  6th May 2020

              And Geddis … While the 1950s may have been delegated extreme powers to health officials, our modern understanding of human rights is more individualistic.

              That Stuff page is a prick to copy more than one para at a time from. They’ve done something horrible to the html.

    • Sounds like a much more sensible and considered attempt. And they will have learned from the habeas corpus failure of two nongos – not from what was claimed by the two who attempted to lockdown ruled as detention, but from what the High Court judge and the Court of Appeal indicated and suggested in their judgments.

      If successful it probably won’t change much, what’s done is done and the Government can change the alws to do what they want in the future, but it will help ensure better legal processes are used.

      I’ll put up a post on this in the morning.

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      • Duker

         /  6th May 2020

        Don’t forget to add the arbitrary powers done in the Canterbury Earthquake Act….they could modify any existing act or regulation at the stroke of Gerry’s pen

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      • Gezza

         /  6th May 2020

        And they will have learned from the habeas corpus failure of two nongos

        Had to read that again, PG. At first I thought you’d mispelled “ningnongs”. 😐

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  14. Duker

     /  6th May 2020

    After the Christchurch Earthquakes the National government passed a law to give themselves Henry VIII type poweres
    “Canterbury Earthquake Response and Recovery Act 2010 That Act enables the Government to “grant an exemption from, or modify, or extend any provision of any enactment…” which gives the Government extremely wide powers, provided those powers are exercised for the purposes set out in the Act, which are generally to facilitate the response to the Canterbury earthquake. ” Brookfields

    So that was modify or change any act…on Brownlees whim.
    At least this emergency included in the existing legislation all the changes that could be made during an epidemic, passed by Parliament
    Back then it was whatever came to his Britannic Majesty King Gerry’s head, and it was done…

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  6th May 2020

      Brownlee didn’t try to use them to wreck the economy and imprison everyone? Possibly would have been challenged in court if he had?

      Reply
      • Blazer

         /  7th May 2020

        all those question marks…ask the people of Christchurch…who National ‘guided’ through the disaster.

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