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  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  9th May 2020

    VE day is a good time to remember what happens when governments are allowed to rule unchallenged:
    https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/ve-day-holocaust-concentration-camp-nazis-world-war-two-75-years-a9503886.html

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    • Blazer

       /  9th May 2020

      The Zionist PR dept working overtime again.
      Never miss an opportunity to trot out the Holocaust survivor story.
      over 40 million who died in WW2 were not Jewish.

      Whats happening in Gazza today?

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  9th May 2020

        The national socialist coming out in you, B? Amazing what ordinary people will do with a bit of peer pressure and imposed authority isn’t it?

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        • Blazer

           /  9th May 2020

          Throughout history people have been manipulated…sheep.
          Praise or condemnation often depends on how the individual benefits or otherwise in the ‘chain’.
          All about controlling resources=labour.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  9th May 2020

            Fear is the great manipulating lever. It is used to suspend common sense and humanity with ghastly consequences.

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            • Gezza

               /  9th May 2020

              Fear & hate, Al. People who have the tendency to hate & bear grudges easily – they’re the ones who’re recruited to become the guards, inquisitors & torturers.

            • Or those with no imagination like the woman who took part in genocide (I forget whether it was Hitler’s ‘euthanasia’ or the Holocaust) on the grounds that it was legal which made it all right. She was brought up to do nothing illegal and never had done anything illegal…but had no idea that something could be legal and morally wrong.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  9th May 2020

              You may be right, G. I see fear making people turn a blind eye to horrors but to actually commit them takes something else – either monumental stupidity or some psychological or developmental psychosis.

      • Gazza is a diminutive of names like Gareth, the place is Gaza.

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        • Blazer

           /  9th May 2020

          Gary actually.

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          • Both, actually. …’a proper noun, a nickname of Gareth or Gary.’

            Before you call me a liar, please google it.

            And as you say that I am ‘a proven serial liar’ (a serious allegation), would you please give some evidence of this ?

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            • Blazer

               /  9th May 2020

              I did 2 days ago.

            • No, making an allegation is not the same as proving it.

            • Blazer

               /  9th May 2020

              It was proven from your own dialogue.You effectively shot yourself in…public.

            • What dialogue ? You still haven’t given any examples. This is probably because there are none. Apart from anything else, one person can’t hold a dialogue; the name makes it obvious.

            • Gezza

               /  9th May 2020

              Just let it go Kitty. Wasting your time there. He’s like a dog with a bone. And the only one who proved themselves one by their own dialogue was your accuser. Hopeless.

            • Blazer

               /  9th May 2020

              You accused me of asking where you lived and your “evidence”was pathetic. Your Morris dancing partner valiantly tried to redefine the English language. .then retired. Take his advice.

            • Gezza

               /  9th May 2020

              Good afternoon, Hopeless. My kitchen’s looking good. How does yours look?

        • Well, yes. He will never admit that asking where I lived means (‘which area is that ?’, er, asking where I lived. I think that I have proved my point that he has no evidence to prove his allegations and never will have because there is none.

          I have the perfect excuse to defer painting the sittingroom; two new mats are coming. Is that a good enough reason ? Probably not.

          Do put some photos of the new paint up for us to admire.

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          • Gezza

             /  9th May 2020

            I want to wait a couple of days before I put everything back in place. It’s a bit more of a yellow-tinged cream than I was expecting. I’ll email you some pics in a day or two.

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    • Duker

       /  9th May 2020

      “what happens when governments are allowed to rule unchallenged”

      Yes the UK wouldnt have won the war without it.

      Now Simon wants to upset the rule of law, by trying to use the privileges of parliament to trample over those of the Courts, next he will be calling the Judges to his inquisitions

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  9th May 2020

        Simon’s looking stronger and Jacinda’s looking weaker.

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        • lurcher1948

           /  9th May 2020

          Simon is his own worse enemy, followed by his ponderous voice…Alan

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  9th May 2020

            Probably, but it’s also looking as if he may yet triumph over his third worst enemy, Lurch.

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          • Gezza

             /  9th May 2020

            Simon is his own worse enemy, followed by his ponderous voice…Alan

            Good word, that. He does speak ponderously, & that awful oy, moy, accent of his is an ear-grater.

            But mind you, neighbour, Jacinda’s lazy diction & mispronunciations is sumpthink that’s priddy hard of the old lugholes as well. Nuthink to wride home abow deether.

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            • I also think that her reading from a page without looking up looks unprofessional.

              And her not knowing about stories that had been in the news was very sloppy indeed.

  2. NOEL

     /  9th May 2020

    We stopped doing that with ANZAC day some years ago.

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  3. David

     /  9th May 2020

    As I said here this scheme has been designed, like the weird Level 2.8, by a government short on commercial skills but one that sees everything through a political lens.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/121457990/coronavirus-only-23m-of-loans-approved-under-625b-government-scheme

    Like the carry back tax scheme and the commercial property depreciation changes they are hardly helpful in getting cash back flowing through the economy quickly. The loan scheme through IRD could be a good scheme but lets see if the implementation is done properly.
    Lets hope they raise their game.

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  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  9th May 2020

    When a billionaire fails to take over his party:
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/07/mike-bloomberg-mess-dnc-242983

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    • Blazer

       /  9th May 2020

      Billionaires are as common as millionaires used to be Al….amazing given inflation is maintained at such a…narrow band! 😉

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    • Duker

       /  9th May 2020

      Bloomberg was the Republican Mayor New York, much as Guiliani had been the Republican Mayor. The current Mayor is a Democrat
      Bloomberg only ticked the democrat box because Trump was the republican candidate, otherwise he would have gone there

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      • Pink David

         /  9th May 2020

        Bloomberg ticked the democrat box by saying “I’ve got a billion dollars’.

        That was the only thing democrats are interested in.

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  5. David

     /  9th May 2020

    Ardern displays her confidence in her spectacular Cabinet, “keep your gobs shut dummies I dont trust you not to stuff it up. You have been deliberately hidden for 7 weeks no need to pop up now.”

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12330684

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    • Blazer

       /  9th May 2020

      ‘too many cooks ..spoil the broth’

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      • David

         /  9th May 2020

        If you have people on 250k a year with responsibility for varying portfolios it would be nice to be able to actually ask then questions, kinda important right now.

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        • Oh, I don’t know, David, it’s only people’s lives and livelihoods at stake and a few billion $ that have been borrowed on our behalf and will be paid back by us….no big deal, really….

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  6. Blazer

     /  9th May 2020

    C19 takes the blame..
    Most of these businesses were not viable pre C19…How any Pita Pit survives is beyond me.
    read:https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/121379239/coronavirus-70-job-losses-and-more-than-4-million-owed-by-13-businesses-that-fell-victim-to-covid19-during-lockdown

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    • Duker

       /  9th May 2020

      These sorts of things fill the pages of the Mercantile Gazette ? even in the best of times

      “[builder] said he had already been finding things tough in the construction sector at the start of the year,
      I would have thought the previous tax years issues are push for insolvency before the IRD gets interested

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      • Pink David

         /  9th May 2020

        I love it. Let’s put Blazer and Duker in charge of what businesses are viable and what businesses are not viable. I’m sure the country will be better off as a result.

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  7. Surprising to see the UK only doing this now. They have the second highest death toll from Covid, 539 yesterday and 626 today which is down from peaks but still quite high, and they are at about fourth highest deaths per million population.

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    • Pink David

       /  9th May 2020

      They have the highest numbers because almost everyone is being counted as a covid case and because the NHS, as a matter of policy, emptied the hospitals of elderly covid patients by sending them to rest homes where they infected and killed thousands.

      The UK was also importing workers from Romania to pick crops at the same time hundreds of thousands are locked in their homes.

      Why would the boarder be shut? It’s the only measure that has any evidence it’s effective at controlling pandemics.

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  8. Gezza

     /  9th May 2020

    Hasn’t quite come out as much as I’d hoped but this morning I looked out from my kitchen and saw Boss Tui starting to sing up in my pittosporum tenuifolium. But he looked easily twice his normal size. He’d puffed all of his feathers out; they looked amazing, you could see air-gaps between them.

    Quite likely he’d just had a bath in the stream, I imagine. A lot of birds do, then perch in this tree to groom and dry off.

    I walked outside to get closer and noticed there was another tui with him. He didn’t seem to be agressive towards it; maybe it’s a female.

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    • The puffed out one isn’t as fat as the one I saw in my big tree; that one was spherical. They are appearing from time to time, usually two. I had never seen a tui tail from that angle, the colours were astonishing. The waxeyes are increasing in number; I put out some pieces of apple each day and they always go.

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      • Gezza

         /  9th May 2020

        Yes, I’ve been getting some great close up views of tuis since I started putting out sugar-water for them. They used to fly off & return & sing in my pittos all day long, but since all the pooks & pooklings have discovered they like sugar water too, the tuis are disappointed by about midday, by which time there’s little if any left.

        The tuis, in full light, have hues of: white, black, brown, turquoise & green.

        A starling gave a tui a run for its money this morning. It alighted in a different part of the pittosporum tenuifolium that the tuis like & twittered & sang its little head off. Never seen that before.

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        • Gezza

           /  9th May 2020

          And we also had a visit (well, a neighbour out in front did) from a magpie. Haven’t seen one anywhere in Tawa for nearly 40 years. I managed to get a short video clip of it. Unusual colouring. A lot more white than I remember when we used to see them on the golf links where I grew up in North New Plymouth.

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        • We put out a sugar feeder bottle and in season (like now) have a lot of tui and bellbirds in view of our main living area. Some nest in nearby trees, and more in the bush. There’s a lot more than ten years ago.

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          • Gezza

             /  9th May 2020

            You’re lucky getting bellbirds. I had to boat over to Mana Island bird sanctuary to see a lot of them here.

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            • It get’s quite noisy here at times with tui and bellbirds going flat out, especially first thing in the morning but can be through the day. Really nice to hear

    • A lot of birds round home lately. Tui and bellbirds. Kereru – one hit a window last week, perched up the power lines for a while with a mate and then went off, seemed ok.
      A lot of fantails lately. Fleeting visits from rosellas.
      Small flocks of goldfinches and starlings feeding off the lawn.
      Seagulls cruising by regularly.
      And fairly regular cruise-bys by sole hawks, that spooks the rest of the birds.
      Also the usual blackirds and sparrows (trying to keep them away from the house, bloody difficult to deter them(.

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      • I have only knowingly had one bellbird. but something was singing most beautifully this afternoon out of sight.

        There are hawks across the road, and occasionally one flies over the house; one did yesterday or the day before, making a huge shadow. Rosellas mainly appear down the road now and are fairly infrequent visitors since the house next door had a lot of trees killed. Herons fly past and so do (spoonbills? they look like seagulls, but are smaller) and plovers.

        Kingfishers are quite common and visit the garden from time to time.

        I have a book called NZ Urban Birds, and almost all have been in my garden, as well as quite a few that are not in the book, Lovely.

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        • Gezza

           /  9th May 2020

          We seem to have more paradise ducks than usual this Autumn. They live up in hills on all sides but they fly over in pairs, or lately, in small groups of pairs. Unusual waterbirds. The males & females look & sound strikingly different.

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    • Gezza

       /  9th May 2020

      Where did he serve, Lurch? My old man was a machine gunner & served in North Africa & Italy – watched them bomb the monastery ⛪️ on Monte Casino. He reckoned he personally shortened the war by two weeks.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  9th May 2020

        He wasn’t Irish by any chance was he, G?

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        • Gezza

           /  9th May 2020

          Mostly. There’s a hint of Norwegian in us somewhere, but not sure whose side, mum’s or dad’s. She was Irish ancestry too. It was impossible for us kids not to all have a sense of humour.

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    • Gezza

       /  9th May 2020

      Freaky – altho there’s nothing scary about it when you read the story. Except all our memories of all the killer robots in sci fi movies.

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    • Duker

       /  9th May 2020

      This where its different from ‘memories’
      “It is currently looking to develop analytics allowing Spot to check if park visitors are observing safe distancing measures.”

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      • Gezza

         /  9th May 2020

        Did you observe how people reacted to it – fear. Why?

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  11. Alan Wilkinson

     /  9th May 2020

    Obama’s FBI shenanigans over the Flynn interview and case:
    https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/05/08/new_red_flags_emerge_from_fbis_handling_of_flynn_case_123520.html

    Looks like the prosecutors not the defendant should have been in the dock.

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