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  1. David

     /  12th May 2020

    Ardern certainly knows the media, she dismisses them in an internal memo then Thomas Coughlan from Stuff explains why she is right to dismiss him and his colleagues. He takes it a bit further and suggests she has done such a fabulous job she probably should have released the docs on a Monday morning so he could have written a weeks worth of sycophantic articles.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300009737/explainer-why-the-governments-coronavirus-document-dump-matters

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    • Gezza

       /  12th May 2020

      I’ll have a read. I’ve now watched the whole 48 minute Jacinda show with supporting act by Ashley Bloomfield that NOEL pasted yesterday.

      She did an excellent job answering questions but they were all pretty tame ones from her adoring msm fans.

      I have to say though that her carefully prepared speech which she read out at the start got a bit nauseating eventually it was so loaded with PR flannel for plebs with a mental age of 10.

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    • Gezza

       /  12th May 2020

      Hmm. Yes. One susoects he may have started with his last four pararaphs

      The Government may have expected a collective media eye-roll from the document dump — that probably plays into their hands as well.

      When thousands of jobs hang in the balance, and most of the country squarely focused on getting their freedoms back again, a protracted period of media outrage is likely to reflect more poorly on media than the Government.

      An email from the Government’s communications team — noting that it could rely on its popularity to dismiss criticism — suggests it is more than willing to deflect criticism back at the media.

      That’s a pity. The documents released on Friday suggested the Government actually had very little to hide. They showed a Government making difficult decisions quickly. So far, those decisions have proved to be the right ones. Ironically, the Government may have scored an own-goal, sparking outrage by arrogantly burying the release when it may have had very little to hide.

      and just threw all the rest together at the beginning to fill up some space. 😐

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  12th May 2020

      The Herald’s coverage is equally grotesque. Reads like Beehive handouts.

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  2. Gerrit

     /  12th May 2020

    This is taking the first steps to the state control freaks desire for a national identity card with tracking, tracing and monitoring ability.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/121093089/government-considering-covid-card-for-contact-tracing

    Scary stuff if you believe in freedom.

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    • Corky

       /  12th May 2020

      ”Scary stuff if you believe in freedom.”

      Sadly, most people don’t, Gerrit. Freedom and privacy in the future is going to cost you a lot of money. Covid-19 has been both a curse and a blessing for governments and agenda setters around the world.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  12th May 2020

      Corky how do you define freedom?
      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8307893/Anti-lockdown-protesters-armed-rocket-launchers-guns-order-sandwiches-Subway.html
      This rightwing knuckle dragger thinks this is freedom and his right??,What is it with people who think they are losing their freedoms if they cannot risk the rest of their community. An example would be driving 150km an hour past a school at 3 pm weekdays, Is that classed as freedom OR SCARY

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      • Corky

         /  12th May 2020

        I’m sorry, I cannot answer you, Lurchy. The kind of freedom I’m talking about is an attitude towards life and liberty. It does not involve infringing other peoples rights, or acting against society on a whim.

        You scoot along now. Your freedom to speed down the footpath with your choppers going a mile a minute and driving over flowerbeds will come to a stop on Thursday.😀

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        • lurcher1948

           /  12th May 2020

          You really have a bad case of agism going these days Corky,try playing the ball not the man, i notice you don’t push this point of age with PG but insults seem to be the default point with every right-winger,ie OUR pm Jacinda Ardern
          PS just pointing out your shortcomings,nothing personal

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          • I will leave out the obvious. Most, except maybe Gezza and Kitty, will understand what I mean.

            ”I notice you don’t push this point of age with PG ”

            Well, Lurchy…[Deleted] to work out why that is. Maybe the word
            ”differential” could be of use?

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            • We understand that you have flogged the not funny when it was new about Lurch and the scooter and false teeth to death. Too yawn-making for words.

              Otherwise you are just stating the blindingly obvious as if it was a blinding revelation. To people like me and Gezza, this doesn’t need to be explained and it probably doesn’t to Lurch.

              What do you think that differential means ?

      • Pink David

         /  12th May 2020

        “This rightwing knuckle dragger thinks this is freedom and his right?”

        It clearly is. What harm did it cause exactly? He bought a sandwich and when home no?

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  3. Corky

     /  12th May 2020

    This is the type of officers we need for our Raptor Squad when hardman Simon wins the treasury benches. However, we’ll need men with way more brains than this gormless wonder.

    In the first clip, if he did similar to a Mongrel Mob member, he would most likely get he and his men beaten to death.

    In the second clip, why is he picking on two Muslim woman who I assume have committed a minor offence? He could have pick on numerous African and Muslim youths who terrorise neighbourhoods; who are spoiling for a fight.

    Yes, an IQ test should should be a prerequisite for any squad Simon sets up. I have no problem with officers having racist attitudes for the simple reason ferals this squad encounter will hold similar attitudes towards other races and society.

    https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/officer-in-controversial-traffic-stop-of-muslim-women-identified-as-bikiebusting-raptor-13/news-story/ffc4270aff6a1d9a0efe05e0d87b8545

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    • Gezza

       /  12th May 2020

      Have you ever considered having a go st scriptwriting for budget American tv SWAT shows? 😐

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      • Corky

         /  12th May 2020

        What’s your point?

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        • Gezza

           /  12th May 2020

          Do a little bit of lateral thinking & see if you can work it out.
          Get back to me then.

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          • Corky

             /  12th May 2020

            I have. My suggestion is you give up blog life at the same time and set up a pottery. Birds and a stream can inspire your works.

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            • Gezza

               /  12th May 2020

              Have you? What was my point then?

            • Gezza

               /  12th May 2020

              And while you are doing some more thinks about what my point was, what colour is that stahlhelm that you told us you wear when you are out riding that Hog of yours around the block a couple of times to listen to its burble?

    • duperez

       /  12th May 2020

      Yes, sounds the perfect type to be in Simon’s Raptor Squad. The IQ tests no doubt would show their fine ability to discern the freedom you seem to care about. They reckon Clayton Weatherston did okay on an IQ test too.

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      • He is likely to have done better than Corky would; no one denied his intelligence.

        The German army helmet is not a legal motorbike helmet; it would do little to protect the back of the head, and without a visor it would do nothing to prevent facial injuries. I suspect that it was made by Munchausen.

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  4. Blazer

     /  12th May 2020

    I had 3 xtra thin slices of Vogels toast with a banana for breakfast this morning.
    And a cup of Dilmah xtra strength tea,dash of milk ,no sugar.
    I bought the items at Countdown.
    There was no crowd.

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    • Gezza

       /  12th May 2020

      You should probably consider adding a little sugar tomorrow.

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    • Corky

       /  12th May 2020

      ”Dilmah xtra strength”

      The best tea in the world in my opinion.

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    • NOEL

       /  12th May 2020

      No eggs?

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    • Gezza

       /  12th May 2020

      Shopped at NW around noon. Biggest shop yet. No queues to get in; 1m 30 sec wait at the checkout for customer & operator to finish their chat. Got everything listed, plus some treats. Home again in 25 mins.

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      • I went to P & S yesterday, no queues, none at the checkouts (well, only the usual Monday ones, very small) Monday is the best day and always has been.

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        • Gezza

           /  12th May 2020

          I had a banana, mince on Molenberg original toast, & canned apricots in juice for breakfast. Preceded & followed by coffee with milk & sugar. The pooks had Molenberg bread chunks, followed by grass & sugar-water (tui not happy re last).

          What about you?

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          • The usual, Weetbix with a bit of muesli and sultana bran flakes, followed by a capuccino. The birds had wheatmeal chunks, as they turn their beaks up at anything with grains in it. ‘We’re not eating THAT muck !!!’

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            • The Siamese used to lick all the gravy off the casseroles, and then whine that they didn’t want to eat that..it was bare meat chunks with no gravy on them, boring.

            • The Siamese used to lick all the gravy off the casseroles and then whine that they didn’t want to eat that….it was bare meat chunks with no gravy on it,

            • Damn, it didn’t go through the first time…

            • Gezza

               /  12th May 2020

              Sometimes you just have to wait u til someone else posts

            • Gezza

               /  12th May 2020

              🙄

              * n

            • We had two Siamese, and they both did it.They would deign to eat it if nothing else was coming, and nothing was..

  5. lurcher1948

     /  12th May 2020

    I noticed the early morning host on newstalkZB Bruce Russell was going off like a skyrocket,early this morning, abusing Communist China to the point that a caller stated he’s got his rightwing listeners to the point of going down to the local Chinese takeaway and having a lynching.Mr Russell hates PM Jacinda Ardern,the Labour party and Meghan Markle, and Greta and really LOVES Donald Trump, hell he was quoting Cameron Slater.I would say you are losing it when you quote Alt Rightwing blogs

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  6. Conspiratoor

     /  12th May 2020

    And so the expected exodus begins. Gun owners, nana killers and disillusioned nats looking for a new home, hitch their wagon to the ACT party

    “ACT is back with more members, more money and a bold new plan”

    http://www.politik.co.nz/2020/05/12/act-is-back-with-more-members-more-money-and-a-bold-new-plan/

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    • duperez

       /  12th May 2020

      “We would cut the 30% individual tax rate, which applies to income between $48,000 and $70,000, to 17.5%,” the Act budget says.

      How many MPs does Seymour need to make that happen? How many MPs would it take for have them with the wood over Simon Bridges in the next Government to see that happen?

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      • It is likely depend on whether National can get back into Government with just ACT support (having ruled out NZ First).
        Also how good Act are at negotiating.
        And how amenable National is to lowering tax as per Act’s suggestion.

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    • Gezza

       /  12th May 2020

      Christ ! Are Cam & co backing the wrong bloody horse-lover, c?

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  12th May 2020

        He’s not ready to run one up Winston yet G, but dear old Cam is hedging his bets. It is probably behind their paywall but I post it here for your entertainment enlightenment

        “Now for the political lesson. The law IS going to change and how much it changes to protect our sport is pretty much up to NZ First. They’ve watched Act’s support grow off of the back of David Seymour’s principled position on gun laws. His support certainly hasn’t grown over his free speech stance, nor because of his kill a granny bill; those simply are not issues which would dramatically increase support. NZ First has seen the growth and there is no way they will let that continue.

        There are potentially a million votes up for grabs, 250,000 licenced firearms owners plus their families, and any party that seeks to further erode our rights will be held to account. Those parties that protect our rights will be rewarded, it is as simple as that. Apart from sniffing a trough at a hundred paces, most politicians also know how to count and 250,000 LFOs is 10% of the voting public. NZ First needs those votes more than National does and they will fight hard for them”

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        • Gezza

           /  12th May 2020

          The question will be whether David wants friends like that because they’re so toxic.

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        • “250,000 licenced firearms owners plus their families”

          There may be some of them who might vote on a single issue, but most of those owners will have been barely affected or unaffected by the firearm law change, and some of those who were will have supported or accepted them.

          I know one owner and family (me) who won’t consider the firearm laws at all in deciding who to vote for.

          As many people have suggested the election is likely to be mainly decided on the economy, plus the virus and leadership/leader.

          Making grandiose claims of big numbers of votes up for grabs mostly come from lobbyists and idealists, and maybe one or two bloggers for hire.

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          • Conspiratoor

             /  12th May 2020

            He is correct in one respect. Most politicians do know how to count and seymore is first and foremost beholden to his core constituency, who are far as removed from your average joe kiwi as you can get. This is the one thing that concerns me about act and its leader

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            • You might be surprised at the people who support ACT and David SEYMOUR, Con.

              What I like about him is that he listens and will admit that he was wrong. He is a seriously good bloke.

            • Some people still don’t understand the difference between voluntary and INvoluntary euthanasia. The checks on this bill and the procedure would eliminate any chance of someone pressurising anyone to ask for assisted suicide. If there’s even a hint that it’s not the person’s own idea, forget it. It would be illegal and no doctor would be fool enough to risk being struck off and going to prison for doing it. It’s for people who want to die with dignity, in their own time, if they have a terminal illness.

        • duperez

           /  12th May 2020

          Seymour and ‘principled’ used in the same comment? Although it was only to do with gun laws I suppose.
          Seymour keeps his principles in a little envelope somewhere and drags them out when he thinks it’s safe for them to be seen.

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          • Drivel. I have known him for years and know what he’s like. Do you know him ?

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            • duperez

               /  12th May 2020

              Is knowing someone to be the decisive factor in judging what they do? How well do you know Jacinda Ardern? Have you ever made comments about her, her political actions and motivations?

            • I see her on the news far more than I want to. She comes across as being as shallow as a soupspoon.

              I know how David feels about the end of life bill, and have actually read it, which I sispect is more than you have.

  7. Pink David

     /  12th May 2020

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    • Gezza

       /  12th May 2020

      Well, why not? Trump’s circus needs new acts to keep him occupied all the time.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  12th May 2020

        Obama fired the first shot and may live to regret it.

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        • Gezza

           /  12th May 2020

          Somehow I doubt that very much. More likely an unpredictable black hole that’ll suck Trump & his cabal in & make it very difficult for them to get out & see the light again.

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            • Gezza

               /  12th May 2020

              They’re too boring. Find me something from Alex Jones. Preferably a video.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  12th May 2020

              I grant you she is a bit dry but I thought that might appeal to the bureaucrat in you.

            • Gezza

               /  12th May 2020

              There is no bureaucrat in me, Al. There never was. I was a public servant & and an investigator/adviser/analyst – never a blind flunky hider behind & enforcer of stupid rules.

              I was even instrumental in replacing many such arcane rules with clearer, logical ones that staff, managers & clients could all understand; made it easier for everyone. Getting there was a killer tho.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  12th May 2020

              Fair enough. Did you make them a video?

            • Gezza

               /  12th May 2020

              No, but I eventually let them publish two articles about me in their in-house mag, several years apart, over my objections, & afte being badgered, because I was embarrassed & concerned others would think me presumptuous. I was never a bighead.

              And I let them use some of my original multi-track music recordings as the soundtrack for a video to departmental staff & managers extolling the virtues of one of their interminable 3-5 yearly restructurings.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  12th May 2020

              Suitably melancholic?

            • Gezza

               /  12th May 2020

              Instrumentals. Futuristic

            • Griff.

               /  12th May 2020

              Overall, we rate The Federalist a borderline Questionable and far Right Biased based on story selection and editorial positions that always favor the right. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to the promotion pseudoscience and three failed fact checks.
              https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-federalist/

              The-federalist
              Overall Score
              The following scores reflect Federalist’s overall bias and reliability scores according to our Ad Fontes Media ratings methodology.
              Reliability: 22.23
              Bias: 23.29
              Reliability scores for articles and shows are on a scale of 0-64. Scores above 24 are generally acceptable; scores above 32 are generally good.
              https://www.adfontesmedia.com/the-federalist-bias-and-reliability/?v=402f03a963ba

              Well I never talk about living in a bubble. Alan goes to questionable sources and believes them unquestionably.

              Good thing they teach critical thinking nowadays.
              Kids will not grow up so easily mislead and manipulated like boomer sheepies.

            • Gezza

               /  12th May 2020

              And yet social media reveals them to be self-absorbed, shallow-thinking children obsessed with trivialities, getting the latest devices, and idly dreaming of getting rich by doing nothing much of any real use or value on the internet but suddenly becoming an internet latest thing or influencer.

            • Oddly enough, Eliza Lynn Linton was saying much the same sort of thing in the 1860s. Not the devices and internet, of course, but the then equivalent. It’s too funny; if one takes out the things like crinolines that obviously date it, it could have been written yesterday. The modern girl uses so much slang that what she says is barely recognisable as English, dresses like a tart and then wonders why she is taken for one and so on and so on…it caused a sensation, but not the kind that ELL expected.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  12th May 2020

              Pathetic, Griff. Stop wasting space throwing Lefty stones at the publishers and address the issues raised.

  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  12th May 2020
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  9. duperez

     /  12th May 2020

    The election over there’s going to be fun.

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    • Pink David

       /  12th May 2020

      The Biden strategy is amusing. The less visible he is, the more popular he becomes.

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  10. Alan Wilkinson

     /  12th May 2020

    Bunnings and Burger King closing some stores.

    My online order from Bunnings made two weeks ago still hasn’t arrived. Hopeless service and communication.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  12th May 2020

      And Winston still paying back (in the pocket of) the racing industry.

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      • I tried to make an order with Bunnings and gave up; it was impossible. I can understand the long wait at the moment, but the impossibility of making an order is a turnoff. I won’t try again. It said that my postcode didn’t exist, then accepted it when I put it in again. But the little black wheel showed no signs of stopping.

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    • Warren

       /  12th May 2020

      My order from Bunnings on the Friday arrived on the following Monday. Magnificent service

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  12th May 2020

        Lucky sod. I don’t even get an email response.

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        • Gezza

           /  12th May 2020

          Could it be your personality? Maybe ask Mrs Al ?

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  12th May 2020

            I just had a phone call from a nice young lady. She is calling Post Haste to see if she can find out what they’ve done with it.

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        • Gezza

           /  12th May 2020

          They’re not allowed to open yet, are they?

          I want to get another small bag of Selley’s No More Cracks Masonry filler to mix with a some swept up sand, grit & stones to do aged-looking concrete patching.

          I didn’t bother ordering it online as I didn’t want to pay a delivery fee when they’re only five minutes away up the main drag & I could do with a big bag of lawn soil too.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  12th May 2020

            Thursday I think

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            • Bostik is better. It has a name like Fill N Fix and it doesn’t dry up like other brands. The Warehouse sells it.

            • Gezza

               /  12th May 2020

              I used this mix to rebuild a join section of kerb along my small front lawn that got broken when a truckie drove up over it, while manoeuvring to back down to a neighbour’s place. It worked well, Kitty so I’ll stick with a product that, modified, gave me the result I wanted.

              I’ve part-filled some cracked & broken pathway at the back. I’d like to ensure other patches are a close match.

  11. Pink David

     /  12th May 2020

    1.4 million health care workers have lost their jobs in the US.
    Health care spending fell 18% in the first three months of the year. That’s hundreds f billions less spent on health.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/05/08/852435761/as-hospitals-lose-revenue-thousands-of-health-care-workers-face-furloughs-layoff

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  12. lurcher1948

     /  12th May 2020

    Sean Plunket is taking a week off next week(he spun it that it was a build up of leave) i think the righty was hauled into the bosses office and told( you sound strident are swearing like a trooper, becoming REALLY abusive, and aggressive to guests,and at times wail about the lack of people who will talk to you, soon as they are interviewed you rip them to pieces,and abuse them) a broadcaster failing, and having mental issues(his words)and needing a weeks break. AND A PMJacinda Ardern CONTINUES ON SAVING THE COUNTRY everyday, why the abuse from the right continues
    An X chippie PM is far tougher than any knuckle dragging righty

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    • Pink David

       /  12th May 2020

      “Jacinda Ardern CONTINUES ON SAVING THE COUNTRY everyday”

      Is there anything this Mary Sue can’t do?

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      • lurcher1948

         /  12th May 2020

        I was going to say(stand up and pee) Pink David BUT i don’t think PG would pass this natural act comment

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  13. Gezza

     /  12th May 2020

    Perils of auto-correct? Possibly?

    I texted a friend with an ailing wife to see if I could come visit them on Friday.

    Just got this text reply:
    Hi I’m getting a covid 19 twat at the moment. I’ll text later when I see E.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  12th May 2020

      His hand either slipped on the keyboard or something else.

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  14. Pink David

     /  12th May 2020

    Outstanding piece from Bill Maher;

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  15. Corky

     /  12th May 2020

    Winston v China…this could be interesting.

    Helicopter money has the chattering class abuzz. They think the budget will deliver 1-2 thousand dollars per person in NZ. Why not? Jacinda would be stupid not to cement an election victory.

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    • Gezza

       /  12th May 2020

      How long have you been a member of the chattering class?

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      • Giving each of us that amount would not even be robbing Peter to pay Paul; it would be robbing Peter to pay Peter. It’s like taking the money from a child’s moneybox and giving it to them as a present.

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  16. Corky

     /  12th May 2020

    According to HDA, Labour hierarchy cannot stand this woman. I can’t either. But our reasons are different. Suffice to say: What Labour says, and what they do, are two different things.

    National needs more of this stuff.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300010672/labour-mp-louisa-wall-pursuing-legal-action-against-her-own-party

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    • Gezza

       /  12th May 2020

      😳

      Not sure how National having its candidates sue their party, like Wall is hers, would be helpful to them?

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  17. Alan Wilkinson

     /  12th May 2020

    Tapeka beach at dusk tonight.

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  18. Missy

     /  13th May 2020

    Hi All,

    I can’t believe it is May already, and I was going to be so much better this year (the road to hell is paved with good intentions).

    Anyway, I thought I would give a quick update (and bust a couple of myths) about the UK, apologies if it has been done already.

    Posted: https://yournz.org/2020/05/13/uk-updates-and-busting-a-couple-of-myths/

    Sorry it’s so long. 🙂

    [Welcome back Missy, thanks for this update – PG]

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