New (stringent) 50 people rule for funerals under Covid Level 2

A new special rule for funerals has been announced, but requires funeral directors to get dispensation from the Ministry of Health and will be required to have stringent health measures in place.

Minister of health David Clark announced the change, which follows a lot of public and political protest about the previous 10 person limit.

Up to 50 to be allowed at funerals – if strict public health measures are in place

From tomorrow, funeral directors can obtain dispensation to allow up to 50 people to attend a funeral, as long as the Ministry of Health is satisfied that a range of public health measures can consistently be met, such as physical distancing, hand hygiene and no food and drink congregations afterwards.

The process will be that funeral directors register funerals with the Ministry of Health and declare that health requirements have been met.

Ministers have been meeting with church leaders, funeral directors and iwi leaders over the past 24 hours.

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Clark seemed confused on the question of whether a funeral director would be required at a marae, passing the question on to Ashley Bloomfield, the director general of health.

“The protocol on the marae for the tangihanga will be with the iwi, and they will be required to abide by the guidelines, which includes the groups of 50 and the very clear public health measures in place … The feedback I got from iwi leaders when I joined their meeting by Zoom earlier today was that the marae committees are very conscious of the need to maintain the protocols and keep people safe as part of the tangihanga.”

That doesn’t answer the question of whether a funeral director has to be involved in a funeral on a marae.

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  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  13th May 2020

    What a pathetic reply. Gezza will have to register as a ngati pakeha marae.

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    • Duker

       /  13th May 2020

      Its was only 10 people previously

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      • It was 100 in the first Level 2.

        This will be the old man and the donkey.

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        • Duker

           /  13th May 2020

          We know a lot more about certain high risk activities now…..unfortunately people have died because 100 person events went ahead at first level 2.
          What was that about a donkey…

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  2. Duker

     /  13th May 2020

    Funeral directors are usually involved in tangi at marae…how else would the person be embalmed for a round 3 day ceremony…then there is moving the body from marae to cemetery.. question doesnt make sense

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    • Gezza

       /  13th May 2020

      For the average Pakeha funeral of a few hours at most the funeral director is usually present at the after gathering & throughout the entire function, thus able to police the rules, and it’s very likely that this was the thinking of the Compromise Committee when agreeing to let funeral directors apply for a dispensation.

      Whether a funeral director is going to be able to stay on a marae for 3 whole days of a tangi & police the rules of social distancing & no sharing food there throughout that period is a different matter altogether.

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  3. Gezza

     /  13th May 2020

    From tomorrow, funeral directors can obtain dispensation to allow up to 50 people to attend a funeral, as long as the Ministry of Health is satisfied that a range of public health measures can consistently be met, such as physical distancing, hand hygiene and no food and drink congregations afterwards.

    @ Possum – if this applies to nga tangi, what’s the Te Reo Maori for … WTF ❗️❗️❓❓ o_O

    And if it doesn’t apply to tangi, then WTF? 😡

    Looks like a stupid policy designed by a dopey farkin Committee; gonna piss everyone off even more.

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    • Duker

       /  13th May 2020

      You speaking for all Maori now ….or is it a revelation

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      • Gezza

         /  13th May 2020

        Nope. I’m asking a regular who’s Maori. She’ll be happy to correct me if required. Otherwise I’ll be happy to wait & see how Maori react.

        Who knows? Hone & compratiots might even deem it necessary to set up checkpoints & roadblocks to stop & turn back any nga pirihimana who might be intent on breaching tikanga?

        I suggest you either change your tone or troll someone else & not me, though.

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        • Duker

           /  13th May 2020

          “The feedback I got from iwi leaders when I joined their meeting by Zoom earlier today was that the marae committees are very conscious of the need to maintain the protocols and keep people safe as part of the tangihanga.” Bloomfield
          Hehehe ..whiners never catch a break
          If the kitchen is too hot stay in the hen house

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          • Gezza

             /  13th May 2020

            Yes, I saw that.
            Foolish boy.

            That does not constitute an explicit agreement that te tangata whenu & manuhiri will be required to observe 3 days of social distancing & no sharing of food & drink, or sleeping quarters.

            Each marae will have its own protocols on this & one suspects breaches will be commonplace in practice. But also that nga pirihana, if present, will turn a blind eye, rather than provoke resentment & reaction from Maoridom at large.

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            • Duker

               /  13th May 2020

              You said wait and see…no need as they have been consulted…. Your paternalim is astounding… Racism even by suggesting Hone will turn back the police ????…he been working with police and seems to have a good relationship…instead of advice from the single maori you know , how about finding a nice Brahms prelude and spare us from your pontifications and ignorance

            • Gezza

               /  13th May 2020

              Wrong again. I personally know more Maori than Possum, connected to different Marae – in Taranaki, Wellington, Porirua, & East Coast.

              Possum is the only one I have met, I can verify is Maori, & who posts here in occasion.

              How about you stop putting YOUR pack on my shoulders, stop pontificating yourself, & go and look in the mirror & give the person you see there a good 5 minute bollocking for making you look like a plonker?

            • Gezza

               /  14th May 2020

              * A small, but important correction

              I personally know way more Maori than just Possum

              I’ll wager that I know, have worked with, have discussed tikanga with & have socialised with, way Maori than you have, btw. And enuf to know that neither you or I can pretend to speak for Maori. Because we are Pakeha.

          • Gezza

             /  13th May 2020

            *on occasion

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          • Gezza

             /  13th May 2020

            And just so I’m clear, I believe that Maori will take great care & follow their own sensible precautions to try & ensure all those present do not contract Covid-19, & especially their precious kaumatua, who they know would be most at risk of fatality from it.

            But they will do it their way. In accordance with those hygene practices that they think are sensible & appropriate. Some may modify tikanga a lot, others a little. On the marae the Pakeha official does NOT rule.

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    • The nearest French expression that I know is ‘Fous le camp.’ which is what I’d like to say to David Clark.

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    • duperez

       /  13th May 2020

      I’m looking forward to someone coming up with a better policy.

      On one end you have no gatherings for funerals and tangis on the other it’s open slather, do what you like. What’s a sensible arrangement? I suspect some in the ‘let people use their judgement’ camp are those who call out judges for using their judgement, or immigration officials. ‘Paint by numbers’ is easier, look up rules, apply them, transgressors dealt with.

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      • The 100 limit was hardly open slather, and if someone in her 80s or 90s doesn’t know to wash her hands, she must be be a bit dim.

        The pettiness of not allowing so much as a cup of coffee is mean-spiritedness at its worst. a

        And ‘fous le camp’ a toi, aussi, mon vieux.

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  4. And the flow on effect problem has started already. People are starting to complain about the ‘unfairness’ of allowing 50 people to attend a funeral in a chapel but only 10 people can go to a standard sort of church service.

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    • Gezza

       /  13th May 2020

      The pre-ads promo for 1 News’s Sports segment just mentioned various sporting codes are also trying to nut out how the rules apply, inlcuding “what is a ‘gathering’?”

      Seems to be a bugger’s muddle at the moment.

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      • Our Dear Leader must know that it won’t be worth having a church service for 9 people (10 with the minister, iman or priest)

        These rules make no sense at all; they seem to be making them as they go along. They are a real pig’s breakfast.

        100 strangers can eat & drink in one place, 100 people who know each other can’t get together to give someone a send-off or have a religious service

        Excuse me, PM, but your prejudice is showing.

        She does seem to be trying to have it both ways; the virus has been conquered, but we are all to be kept under control as if it was rife instead of being 78 active cases. That’s one in 61,538 people who have it,

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        • duperez

           /  14th May 2020

          You keep saying all this stuff about what they’ve come up with is so silly, short sighted, dumb whatever, but didn’t take up my invitation to outline your policy. 100 people is ‘wrong’? Is 101 people okay? Or you think the rule should be ‘do what you need to do’. Open slather.

          This is your big chance to show you know your way around a pig’s breakfast.

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      • Duker

         /  13th May 2020

        Have you ever wondered why sports after 100 years or more have referees, despite the rules being clear?
        Gee …could it be because not everyone one sees the rules exactly the same way
        We haven’t had a chance to develop rules for the type of Covid gatherings over 100 year period
        Duh

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        • Who’s talking about sports ?

          This is a supposed epidemic with 78 people. The PM may feel that if she doesn’t keep us under control we may realise that there wasn’t an epidemic in any sense in NZ. An epidemic affects an inordinate or excessive number, not 1400+ in total out of almost 5,000,000 people and 20 deaths of people who were already ill. How many suicides and people dying because their hospital treatment has been delayed have there been?

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          • Duker

             /  13th May 2020

            Gezza
            But no, 100 people who know each other can’t gather together and socialise…it’s 10. There may be 10 groups of 10 but they can’t a way to get around the 10
            Your problems are caused by your own lack of comprehension.
            You ask how many have died…as opposed to the usual numbers dying waiting for treatment…. And of course a lot of people still die AFTER treatment…I’d like to think the kind version , and that you have your head in the clouds

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            • Gezza

               /  13th May 2020

              Who’s talking about numbers? Not me. Your comprehension problems are caused by your inability to comprehend that I have no comprehension problems. You do.

              Make that a 10 minute bollocking of the idiot you see in the mirror. He seems to be a fast insulter but a very slow leaner.

            • Duker

               /  13th May 2020

              Kitty was numbers
              Gezza was sports
              Age may not weary them….except it does tonight

            • Gezza

               /  13th May 2020

              Yawn. 😴

              You need to take your grizzle up with Sav of 1News’s Sports segment.

              Did the idiot in your mirror tell you to keep on plonking & to report back for some more ego massaging or something?

  5. Gezza

     /  13th May 2020

    As many as 300 biker gang members and affiliates openly broke the coronavirus mass gatherings rules at a Matamata funeral, as several police watched on.
    More…
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121496813/coronavirus-biker-gang-flouts-mass-gathering-rules-at-matamata-funeral

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    • Duker

       /  13th May 2020

      Isn’t it time to retire…..too late
      “Police staff will be following up with those at the service who may have breached the restrictions and enforcement action in the form of warnings or prosecutions is being considered.”

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      • Gezza

         /  13th May 2020

        Wtf are you on about, smartarse?

        I am already retired. And I simply posted a pull quote & an article link.

        Your trolling is boring.

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      • Gezza

         /  14th May 2020

        Update:

        No charges have been laid in relation to a mass gathering of mourning gang members in Matamata and police are still trying to figure out who could be held responsible.

        Prior to the tangi, police had discussed restrictions with those involved, but on the day those people may not have been able to control who turned up, Waikato area commander Inspector Andrew Mortimore told Stuff on Thursday.

        “We are considering if we [press charges] in terms of what — if any — action is appropriate to take under the circumstances.” Police are also trying to figure out who could be held responsible. “Where do we draw the line in terms of what is the level of intervention and to what degree and to what extent do we do that?”

        He sympathised with families who had loved ones die during lockdown and said he knew police officers who went through it. “It’s been really, really challenging for society.”

        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/121511317/coronavirus-no-charges-after-biker-gang-flouts-covid19-mass-gathering-rules-at-funeral

        Reality bites.

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