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  1. Gezza

     /  14th May 2020

    A rare visitor to Pookden Manor’s environs, from the other day – a magpie.

    Haven’t seen one in Tawa’s residential area for more than 20 years; last ones seen used to dive bomb train commuters taking the shortcut past the Blind Institute.

    Weren’t exactly popular birds, but I find them as fascinating as any other creatures of the creator’s handiwork, as long as you’re not having to ward them off with a brolly or a briefcase over your head. 😐

    This one was flying solo. Has a lot more white on it than what I recall as the standard feather colour pattern.

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    • We used to have magpies hanging around but I discouraged them. They tend to scare other birds away. They got the hint, they are now rare and temporary visitors.

      Hawks still keep gliding by. Magpies used to chase them, I’ve also seen plovers chasing them. But yesterday a hawk swooped and chased a kereru less than 50m away from the house. The kereru managed to evade the hawk.

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      • Gezza

         /  14th May 2020

        Just had a look to see if I could find my first comment. Couldn’t believe I’ve been posting on YNZ since at least May 2009. Man time flies when you’re having fun.

        And that comment appears to not be the first as I’m posting to Brownie (& making a cock up I had to correct with another correction post) & clearly it follows earlier comments.

        Are you able to tell me when I first posted, PG?

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        • Gezza

           /  14th May 2020

          🙄 Oops – correction – my earliest comment I could find was May 2016!
          But it doesn’t appear to be my first.

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          • Conspiratoor

             /  14th May 2020

            I remember the day you arrived jazza. Polite, courteous, somewhat lacking in humour if i recall. And long before you had softened al up to the point you could take the proverbial out of him

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            • Gezza

               /  14th May 2020

              That would be correct. And I jousted initially with Al long enuf to spot the finely-tuned sense of humour, the love of his dogs & of nature, & the good heart & the nice guy behind the façade. We’ve gone on to meet & to become good friends in RL.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  14th May 2020

              G, yes you do appear to have a rapport with Al. Reminds me of one definition I saw of a good friend. He is one who talks shit to your face and only good things behind your back. If you’re not a good friend the reverse usually applies

              Do you recall the handle I had when you arrived? I brought it with me when Cam’s lickspittle kicked me to the kerb

            • Gezza

               /  14th May 2020

              No, I don’t actually, c. It took me a while to get to know who were the regulars & the characters & the hit & run temp IDs.

            • Gezza

               /  14th May 2020

              What was it?

            • Conspiratoor

               /  14th May 2020

              Abbreviated it was RoG. But what did it stand for?

            • Gezza

               /  14th May 2020

              No idea, sorry. It didn’t make a lasting impact with me like the handle Conspiratoor did.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  14th May 2020

              Yes, I think I was one of the earliest to move here after CamBelt indicated that only obsequious crap would be tolerated at their place. I soon found out that Gezza was too intelligent to be a real loony Lefty and got him onto a better path – though he is still strangely reluctant to acknowledge the worth of my good mate Trumpy.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  14th May 2020

              Al, I remember you at whale when I choppered in from time to time as RightOfGenghis

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  14th May 2020

              Yes, I don’t think I posted there for very long before CamBelt took over but I’m rather hazy now. I think I was at kiwiblog more. I remember teasing Bernard Hickey at Stuff about his perennial house price crash predictions for a long time.

          • Gezza

             /  14th May 2020

            Oct 2015 would be right. I recall dipping a toe in the water, as it were. Before that I used to comment fairly regularly (not as Gezza; before I settled on Gez) on The Standard, but eventually Prentice’s moderating style & “know-it-all but actually wrong on that” attitude got up my nose.

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      • There’s a flock of magpies in Hamilton who fly around saying ‘Fucking magpies’ over and over. I know someone who’s heard them. Any magpie seen near the bird table is sent off with a stone rattled off his heels.

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    • They vary in their patterns, but not in their evil natures and black, malevolent hearts.The only good one is a dead one.

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  2. Conspiratoor

     /  14th May 2020

    Internationally, Governments have worried that a sudden downturn in revenue caused by Covid-19 could lead to key assets to be sold at bargain prices

    In reality I doubt whether the government can do a damn thing to stop a foreign investor snapping up a formerly profitable tourist operation for a bargain if the only other option is liquidation.

    https://www.interest.co.nz/property/105000/government-introducing-national-interest-test-foreign-investment-stop-strategically

    But more insidious are sales of key exporters and infrastructure to foreign interests. David Parker will need to step up here

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    • Gezza

       /  14th May 2020

      Quite right, c. But no point just telling us.

      Email: david.parker@parliament.govt.nz.

      You know the rules. 😎

      Get in now before Sir Alan puts him crook.

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  14th May 2020

        Haven’t got time G. Corky’s a serial polly-botherer so suggest you get him to do it

        Perhaps he could finish with ‘Cometh the hour, cometh the man. Are you that man Dave?’

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        • Gezza

           /  14th May 2020

          Garn. Are ya a man or a mouse? Just flick him a link to that comment.

          Corky may be busy on a reconnaissance mission today.

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          • Conspiratoor

             /  14th May 2020

            His supermarket observations are priceless, especially from the security of a womans skirt

            Talking about cojones, I’m liking the way scomo is standing up to the central committee. Long overdue but they are showing their true colours and like all good pollies I fear he’ll crumble

            “You want transparency from us, we will kick you where it hurts”

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    • Gezza

       /  14th May 2020

      Scott’s still got it

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      • Con, according to Corky, if he wants a discount in a shop, he goes in wearing a dress and pretending to be a just-released prisoner.

        I suppose he borrows the dress from one of his innumerable ‘nieces’.

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  3. Gezza

     /  14th May 2020

    Simon Bridges loses showdown over lockdown legal advice, question of lawfulness remains

    National Party leader Simon Bridges has lost a showdown over the Government’s legal advice behind coronavirus the lockdown, but a question of its lawfulness remains.

    Bridges, as chair of the Epidemic Response Select Committee, last week summonsed the Government’s top legal adviser, the Solicitor-General, along with the director-general of health and the police commissioner, hoping to compel them to provide the Crown Law legal advice on the lockdown.

    But legal advice is protected by confidentiality and is rarely made public. Attorney-General David Parker, who received the advice from the Solicitor-General, said the summons was a “constitutional outrage” and asked Speaker Trevor Mallard to refer the matter to the parliament’s powerful Privileges Committee.

    Both Parker’s request and the summons were denied on Tuesday. The stoush over the lockdown may now be resolved in the courts, after the Court of Appeal said there were “unresolved questions” about its lawfulness.

    More…
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121504944/coronavirus-simon-bridges-loses-showdown-over-lockdown-legal-advice-question-of-lawfulness-remains

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  14th May 2020

    FYI,my wife made a purchase online with a well known clothing company which has physical and online stores, no problem except on our online Westpac statement, the sneaky buggers added $89.98 to the bill??? and 5 cents…the 5 cents is sent to Mastercard as a check that the cards not stolen but they cannot explain why they added an extra $89.98 to my wife purchase,we have been onto Westpac MasterCharge and the large local firm said it happens regularly adding unknown charges,and gets reversed eventually
    FYI i have a Credit Simple rating of 980 out of 1000,good enough to have my house re-roofed without a deposit, and take been overcharged seriously.

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    • Gezza

       /  14th May 2020

      Sorry to hear that, neighbour.
      Thank goodness I have Visa & don’t bank with Westpac.

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    • Corky

       /  14th May 2020

      Likewise – I’m sorry for you too. But look on the bright side, you have my money to pay your bills. My power company charged me $5 to pay by credit card online. The days on sundries being part of the cost of doing business are gone.

      Heads up on this too, Lurchy…you cannot scratch an instant scratchy in store. You must vacate the premises; look like a dork scratching madly outside, then reenter the premises to check your ticket via the public scanners away from the main counter. I know this because three workers came running towards in a panic when I started scratching inside. I thought I had written my last post.

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      • Only three workers ? Were they in combat gear ? If someone scratches madly anywhere, they’d look like a dork.. Was it a scratchy that you were scratching ? The reaction seems a bit extreme.

        I’m sure that Lurch will have heard that about not scratching scratchies inside on the news like everyone else.

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        • Corky

           /  14th May 2020

          You are a true oracle.. a know-all.😁

          ”Only three workers ? Were they in combat gear ?”

          No, they were wearing Pak n’ Sav uniforms required by all their workers. Strange that.

          ”If someone scratches madly anywhere, they’d look like a dork.. ”

          My apologies. I forgot you perceive everything literally.

          ”The reaction seems a bit extreme.”

          I don’t know. I’m not them.

          ”I’m sure that Lurch will have heard that about not scratching scratchies inside on the news like everyone else.”

          I doubt it. There was a procession of people being told to go outside. All of us were scratching our tickets on the outside entrance window…and having a laugh. I would need another thread to explain to you why we were laughing.

          Can you provide a link to the news item about scratching scratchies outside.?

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          • Of course not. I don’t keep a diary of these things. It was when the level 2 restrictions were announced. How else would I know ? I don’t buy scratchies.

            I forgot that you are incapable of lateral thinking when I said that about scratching. Never mind, don’t bother trying to work it out.

            But the idea of the workers being in a panic and rushing towards you is absurd. So is the sudden memory of there being a procession.

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            • Corky

               /  17th May 2020

              Main point…no scratching scratchies inside. Confirmed by Noel.

              ”Of course not. I don’t keep a diary of these things. It was when the level 2 restrictions were announced. How else would I know ? I don’t buy scratchies.”

              You must have a hotline to the LC then. Why are middleclass folk still being told about this rule? They are generally on to it… and today a sign has gone up. Wonder why that is? Of course your claim you heard it on the news is arrant nonsense unless you can prove otherwise:

              Here’s a skit.( One News). This isn’t real.

              ”In developing news, the Lotteries Commission is advising all Lotto outlets that Lotto counters will remained closed and Lotto scratch tickets will be required to be scratched and checked outside to conform with new Covid-19 measures implemented by the Lotteries Commission.”

              Yeah..nah! 😃

  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  14th May 2020

    Took a trip to Keri dropping off a car for a WoF. Roads are full of locals driving like bloody tourists. They’ve all forgotten how to drive at more than 60km/h.

    Lucky I’m #$%@! patient!

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    • Gezza

       /  14th May 2020

      You can blame 1News at 6 for that, I’m afraid.

      They had an item on last night advising that the police wanted everybody to drive extra carefully because after all these weeks of lockdown many people will have got rusty on their driving skills. And to back them up 1News found two idiots who said they had.

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      • 1 News (and other media) seem to have a ready supply of idiots to dumb down news reports, but this wasn’t even a news report, it was another of their dumb ‘maybe this will happen’ lightweight items.

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        • NOEL

           /  14th May 2020

          When they finished the beat up about the police trialing Clearwater, 2 days after print media, I started laughing as it wound down. Wife said what’s so funny.
          Ahh “the Police claim that the product didn’t add anything to what they already had”.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  14th May 2020

        You manage to watch 1News without a preparatory lobotomy?

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        • Corky

           /  14th May 2020

          I think Kitty has had one..she watches 3 News. I suspect she may also be a secret Kanoa fan.

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          • Don’t be ridiculous and don’t try to be offensive, please. I have said that I never watch The Project and can’t stand the presenters. But, while I felt that Kanoa Lloyd should not have said what she did about her employers and Hannah Tamaki on air, she didn’t deserve the vitriol and being told to kill herself by a leader of Destiny,

            The news I watch is none of your business. Don’t be so intrusive and bad-mannered.

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        • Gezza

           /  14th May 2020

          Not really. If I remember, I put the telly on & usually see whatever the lead items are in the first, sometimes also second, segment, but I can never stand to watch the full programme these days. I’m often reading or commenting here while it’s running in the background. I turn it off at Sports segment – if I haven’t already done so by then.

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          • Ditto. 3 has the virtue of having less sport, otherwise they seem not to vary much. I leave the sports on so that I don’t miss the weather. But while the news has been the Covid Show, I have hardly watched it at all.

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            • Gezza

               /  14th May 2020

              I don’t watch the weather on 1. While I don’t mind Renée on the weekend, I can’t stand Dan with his endless blithering & frenetic arm waving. His antics are so irritatingly distracting its too easy to miss one’s specific forecast amongst the run through the regional cities.

              I get my weather forecasts online, often from the Stuff home page.

            • He’s a really good reason to not watch 1; He looks as if he’s being electrocuted or has St Vitus Dance and his everlasting babble is maddening. How on earth did he get the job in the first place ?

            • Gezza

               /  14th May 2020

              Think he replaced Jim Hickey who, imo, was much the same.

            • He was ghastly but even he was not as bad as Mr Puppet on a String.

              I remember Jim Hickey once wearing a large red rosette on Election Day. This mist have given the producer heart failure. It was when he told us what the weather was going to be in that pointless way that they have before the real weather and was gone when he did that.

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    • Gezza

       /  14th May 2020

      She’s a perfectionist❓ There’s nuthink that would amount to sumpthink meaning there’s anythink to suggest she really is, imo.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  14th May 2020

        If she was a perfectionist I suspect she would be married.

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        • Gezza

           /  14th May 2020

          I used to be a perfectionist. I had to unlearn how to be one. It slows you down, & it makes you miserable because no matter how well others tell you you’ve done something – it’s never good enuf for a true perfectionist. You always missed something or you could’ve done it better.

          That’s what sticks with you, & nags at you. Not the successful result – the cock up you made achieving it, or the little flaw you can see that nobody else ever notices.

          Nothing is ever perfect.These days I’m a try & get it perfect but near enuf is good enuf type of person.

          And must surely hold the record here for post-posting edits, spellos, & typos?

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  14th May 2020

            Yes, you do micro-manage your typos so it’s a challenge to find one you’ve missed. I often spot one of mine as soon as I’ve hit send but usually I just swear and let it go. I’m a generalist rather than a perfectionist or specialist as I like exploring new things though I can be single-minded in tracking down a problem or solution.

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            • Gezza

               /  14th May 2020

              Most of my screw ups happen on the FiP! It’s an early model iPad 2. Small screen, so not easy to proof read when the on-screen keyboard takes up 1/3rd of the screen, prone to inserting a random character if finger drags lightly over one while typing, to suddenly exhibiting a delay in registering typed characters – and too slow responding to Cancel reply bashes on the “cancel” link.

              On my lappy I can usually cancel a “Post Comment” command if I spot something wrong before it executes.

          • Conspiratoor

             /  14th May 2020

            G, would it make you happy if pg gave you control over the edit button?

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            • Gezza

               /  14th May 2020

              Yes it would but we tried that & it only allows me to edit my & others comments if I’m the author of a post. That means I could moderate on my posts. I think PG is a better moderator, more tolerant of fools, so I wouldn’t do that.

    • duperez

       /  14th May 2020

      Josh Van Veen and others prove that humanity can’t be perfected. Ardern gave an indication of the degree to which she wanted something achieved and used a generic word to describe it. Unfortunately she used the word ‘perfectionist.’ It was as if the oracle, the guru had used a word or something which needed investigation, exploration, explanation, and translation. She wanted something done right, or achieved to a high level but it got to the stage of definition, about her.

      She didn’t realise one casual word could be so definitive. The hoards who lament the trite facile media of the country were sucked into playing the same game.

      The Government puts out some material which is far from perfect so it gets tagged in such a a way as to sneer at Ardern.

      The moment:
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/05/coronavirus-jacinda-ardern-reaction-to-hearing-zero-new-covid-19-cases.html

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      • Gezza

         /  14th May 2020

        I reckon it’s important not to take these sorts of reactions – or politicians – too seriously.

        There’s a lot of truth in that saying:

        “Babies’s nappies & governments,need changing regularly, and for the same reason.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  14th May 2020

        I don’t care if she is a perfectionist or not, dups, just whether she and her mostly clueless Cabinet make good decisions.

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  14th May 2020

    Everyone know rightwingers are moaners and whingers,but this whinger takes today’s top prize,on Peter Wiliams show someone moaned about the covid-19 announcement ladies voice,which I think is pleasant.sounded the type that needs medical help

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  8. Judge Sullivan has appointed retired judge John Gleeson as amicus curiae to argue against the US government’s motion to dismiss the charge against Michael Flynn and to address whether the court should issue an order to show cause as to why Flynn should not be held in contempt for perjury.

    Pick your poison. Lied to the FBI or lied to a judge.

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    • Pink David

       /  14th May 2020

      “Flynn should not be held in contempt for perjury.”

      This happens every time someone pleads guilty for something they did not do. The tens of thousands of people who have been railroaded into guilty plea’s all get charged with perjury when the evidence surfaces of their innocence. This is why the US prison population is so high, it’s all the people perjuring themselves by pleading not guilty to crimes they committed.

      This is why the Central Park 5 are still in jail even though they are innocent of the gang rape. They lied in their guilty plea’s, and have been suitably punished for this deceit.

      If only they had plead not guilty, they would have been freed.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  14th May 2020

        More bad news for Dems:
        1. Lost a Calif seat to Republicans
        2. Trump support at all time high
        3. Musk 1, Ca 0: https://nypost.com/2020/05/13/california-reaches-deal-with-tesla-to-reopen-factory/

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      • hahahaha … ObamaGate? … seriously, you need to take your tinfoil hat off.

        The irony of course is that the Trump administration is arguing before the Supreme Court that the president can do anything and is above the law, while simultaneously telling the gullible public that Obama somehow committed a crime in unmasking Flynn’s illegal activities.

        I’m hard pressed to see any massive deep state coup when Obama actually warned Trump face to face that Flynn was a dodgy piece of work – no spycraft there

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  14th May 2020

          Except that Flynn wasn’t convicted of any illegal activities except being trapped in a falsehood by the FBI.

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          • ‘trapped in a falsehood’ – that’s Billy Barr’s line and he’s sticking to it. The problem with that conspiracy theory is the facts don’t support Barr’s assertion.

            “The department’s motion referred to notes that Mr. Priestap wrote around the bureau’s 2017 questioning of Mr. Flynn, who later pleaded guilty to lying to investigators during that interview. His lawyers said Mr. Priestap’s notes — recently uncovered during a review of the case — suggested that the F.B.I. was trying to entrap Mr. Flynn, and Attorney General William P. Barr said investigators were trying to “lay a perjury trap.”

            That interpretation was wrong, Mr. Priestap told the prosecutors reviewing the case. He said that F.B.I. officials were trying to do the right thing in questioning Mr. Flynn and that he knew of no effort to set him up. Media reports about his notes misconstrued them, he said, according to the people familiar with the investigation.

            If it is accurate that the F.B.I. official provided context around those notes, which is materially different from what they suggest, this could be a game changer in terms of how the court views the motivations behind the request to dismiss the case”

            Barr has a track record for misrepresentation, and this looks like another example.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  14th May 2020

              NYT has a track record of being the Deep State mouthpiece trying to take down Trump and this looks like another example.

            • Duker

               /  14th May 2020

              Flynn pleaded guilty 2x
              He was an important general not some dupe pleading quilty.
              Some takedown….where they catch the guilty

        • According to the DNI, NSA received the following numbers of SIGINT unmasking requests:

          2016: 9,200
          2017: 9,500
          2018: 17,000
          2019: 10,000

          Remind me who was in the White House in 2018.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  14th May 2020

            Any from Mueller’s mob?

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            • the 40 or so Flynn unmaskings were mainly 2016. Only 8 in January of 2017 following Flynn’s conversations with Kislyak on 29 and 31 December

              US Ambassador to the UN Samantha Power (1/11/17)
              DNI James Clapper (1/7/2017)
              Secretary of the Treasury Jacob Lew (1/12/17)
              White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough (1/5/17)
              DDNI Michael Dempsey (1/7/17)
              PDDNI Stephanie O’Sullivan (1/7/17)
              CIA/CTMC 1/10/17
              Vice President Joe Biden 1/12/17

              I’m not aware that Mueller’s investigators were empowered to request unmaskings, because the right to request is generally limited to officials within the presidential administration.

              There is nothing illegal about unmasking and Grennell’s covering letter to the declassified document states that proper procedures were followed in the Flynn unmaskings.

              Trump casts unmasking as sinister, but his administration has used the process a lot more frequently than Obama’s.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  14th May 2020

              If you think none came from Mueller’s multi year massively resourced investigation I have a bridge to sell you.

            • Duker

               /  14th May 2020

              In other words you are whistling in the wind

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  14th May 2020

              No, just making the obvious intelligent deduction. You should try it some time. If you think Mueller investigated Russian links without getting unmasked data from the security services you are even thicker than I suapected.

        • MaureenW

           /  14th May 2020

          Cherry picking, and ill-informed. If you haven’t seen it, there were no Russia collusion charges against Trump. The Meuller inquiry which was tasked to investigate all Russian interference, conveniently overlooked the Russia collusion on the Democrats side .. the invented Steele dossier used against Trump was Russian collusion. See where Durhams investigation leads to .. more to come …

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  9. lurcher1948

     /  14th May 2020

    Sean Plunkett before he takes his week long mental holiday break,is on a Maori bashing ,covid-19 shop contact tracing signing in rant,and of course hes whining that not one wants to be interviewed by him,if it wasn’t for Carters tyres,I would think Magic would go belly up.

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  10. Pink David

     /  14th May 2020

    Scale of the deaths in the UK is overwhelming. Oh wait….

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    • Bruce Holt’s reply points out the dishonesty in Drummond’s chart

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  14th May 2020

        Covid19 is a marathon not a sprint. Small picture doesn’t show big picture. We won’t see the big picture for months if not years.

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      • Pink David

         /  14th May 2020

        Good to see you here Islmael. The is nothing dishonest about showing data in context. Hector’s site has all the various views of the data to get to an actual understanding.

        We can compare to previous flu’s and we get an interesting view here;

        There is a large spike in excess deaths in the UK. This spike has a large number NOT due to Covid.

        https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1931

        Lots of interesting things.But overall the evidence is that Covid is not a once in a lifetime event.

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  11. “Flynn was caught in a perjury trap”, “he was railroaded into a guilty plea”, “trapped in a falsehood” – DISINGENUOUS BALONEY!

    December 1, 2017: Mike Flynn pleaded guilty before Judge Rudolph Contreras to lying in a January 24, 2017 FBI interview. In his plea allocution, Flynn admitted:
    – He lied about several conversations with Sergey Kislyak about sanctions
    – He lied about several conversations with Kislyak about an attempt to undermine an Obama effort at the UN
    – He lied about whether his company knew that it was working for the government of Turkey and about whether senior officials from Turkey were overseeing that contract
    – He was satisfied with the services his attorneys had provided
    – No other threats or promises were made to him except what was in the plea agreement

    December 18, 2018: Mike Flynn reallocuted his guilty plea before Judge Emmet Sullivan to lying in a January 24, 2017 FBI interview. In his plea allocution, Flynn admitted:
    – He lied about several conversations with Sergey Kislyak about sanctions
    – He lied about several conversations with Kislyak about an attempt to undermine an Obama effort at the UN
    – He lied about whether his company knew that it was working for the government of Turkey and about whether senior officials from Turkey were overseeing that contract
    – He was satisfied with the services his attorneys had provided
    – He did not want a Curcio counsel appointed to give him a second opinion on pleading guilty
    – He did not want to challenge the circumstances of his January 24, 2017 interview and understood by pleading guilty he was giving up his right to do so permanently
    – He did not want to withdraw his plea having learned that Peter Strzok and others were investigated for misconduct
    – During his interview with the FBI, he was aware that lying to the FBI was a federal crime

    June 26, 2018: Mike Flynn testified to an EDVA grand jury, among other things, that “from the beginning,” his 2016 consulting project “was always on behalf of elements within the Turkish government,” he and Bijan Kian would “always talk about Gulen as sort of a sharp point” in relations between Turkey and the US as part of the project (though there was some discussion about business climate), and he and his partner “didn’t have any conversations about” a November 8, 2016 op-ed published under his name until “Bijan [] sent me a draft of it a couple of days prior, maybe about a week prior.” All those statements conflict with a FARA filing submitted under Flynn’s name.

    Flynn also lied lied to the investigators who interviewed him in 2016 as part of his security clearance renewal.

    Flynn lied to the FBI, Flynn lied to Pence, Flynn lied to the courts, Flynn lied in his security clearance. Flynn was even fired by Trump for lying.

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    • Earlier this month, another federal judge in Washington criticised Barr’s handling of the Russia investigation.

      Judge Reggie B. Walton said that Mr. Barr presented a “distorted” and “misleading” picture of the report by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, before he made it public.

      Walton has questioned whether Mr. Barr “made a calculated attempt to influence public discourse about the Mueller report in favor of President Trump.”

      Barr’s “lack of candor” undermined his credibility “and, in turn, the department’s.”

      Walton’s a Dubya appointee.

      Reply
      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  14th May 2020

        Because Dubya is a Trump fan?

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        • Duker

           /  14th May 2020

          Flynn has walked into a perjury trap he set himself.
          “(Judge)Sullivan said he was seeking Gleeson’s recommendation on whether Flynn should face a criminal contempt charge for perjury because he testified under oath that he was guilty of lying to the FBI but then reversed course and said he had never lied.”

          Hehehe if he didn’t lie to the FBI he then lied to the court ‘under oath’.

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  12. lurcher1948

     /  14th May 2020

    Stuff off all sorts of birds, electric is the way to go,NO Pukahoe or, magpies,or stupid rightwing voters were hurt in this post

    need for speed

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  13. duperez

     /  14th May 2020

    Someone has to be ‘Mr Bad,’ the fall guy. Step up Tony Fauci!

    “Fox News host Tucker Carlson attacked Dr. Fauci on his show last night…
    He played a few examples of seemingly conflicting advice Fauci had given throughout the pandemic. In one clip, Fauci told Americans not to shake hands. In another, he said they should “weigh the risks” of hooking up with strangers, but stopped short of forbidding it.

    “This is buffoon-level stuff, at that point,” Carlson said, going on to label Fauci the “chief buffoon of the professional class”.

    Carlson treats Trump like he’s the Genius God. The GG tells people to wear masks but deliberately won’t wear one himself, he uses his power to float notions of crazy cures. And Fauci is the buffoon? The power of the media, the lack of intellectual power of the audience and Fauci is toast and the Genius God goes higher on the pedestal.

    When the debate is led by such cretinous thinking and logic is a bad result a surprise?

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  14. Duker

     /  14th May 2020

    Who knew
    “The suicide rate in Japan fell by 20% in April compared with the same time last year, the biggest drop in five years, despite fears the coronavirus pandemic would cause increased stress and many prevention helplines were either not operating or short-staffed.

    People spending more time at home with their families, fewer people were commuting to work and delays to the start of the school year are seen as factors in the fall.”

    Where the are chronic moaners on this site who talked up the opposite….. Wait ..they are starting the complaining and negativity engines this site is famous for as we speak
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/14/japan-suicides-fall-sharply-as-covid-19-lockdown-causes-shift-in-stress-factors

    Reply
    • Gezza

       /  14th May 2020

      Who here was predicting that the suicide rate in Japan would go up?

      Reply
    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  14th May 2020

      I told you the lockdown was the good part, Duker. The bad part comes next.

      Reply
      • Duker

         /  14th May 2020

        For you you mean…SAD….people I know are fine, everything is humming.
        Couldn’t believe the money people were spending at Kmart….it was like Xmas
        Tells me they have confidence

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    • Pink David

       /  14th May 2020

      Japan isn’t locked down.

      Reply

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