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  1. Duker

     /  15th May 2020

    US Covid death toll may already be over 100,000 not the reported number 83,000.
    By looking at excess deaths state by state for this period compared to previous years.

    Some states are hardly affected , other have fewer deaths ( less accidents and suicides?)
    Based on numbers compiled by Rafael Irizarry , Professor and Chair of the Department of Data Science at Dana-Farber Cancer Institute and Professor of Applied Statistics at Harvard.

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  2. Corky

     /  15th May 2020

    Maori get a hand up. Tourism…not so lucky. A great glimpse into the core beliefs this government has regarding business, political survival and sovereignty.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/05/coronavirus-how-the-budget-aims-to-help-m-ori-specifically.html

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    • duperez

       /  15th May 2020

      Maybe the Government believes there’ll be a ‘trickle down’ and ‘trickle through’ effect. Apparently that’s a valid phenomenon and strategy.

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      • Corky

         /  15th May 2020

        Only for Labour… if National believes that they get rubbished.

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        • duperez

           /  15th May 2020

          Do National get rubbished because that’s the way politics happens or because it’s a stove they sold you for cooking on that doesn’t heat up?

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          • Corky

             /  15th May 2020

            I don’t know..ask the cooks. Ten years with a non working stove seems a little strange to me.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  15th May 2020

        Doesn’t seem apparent to me. Do you have a link?

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    • Gezza

       /  15th May 2020

      I think it’s a good move putting money into upskilling & trade training for Maori. They’ve been stuck at the bottom end of the wrong kind of stats for too long & it’s better giving their young folk a chance at a hand up to help themselves & their whanau rather than just chucking more benefit money at them.

      Maori businesses seem to be getting increasingly established as entirely comparable to mainstream businesses too, judging by a few news item during the past year, although I’ve heard/seen some express concern maybe too many are focussed on tourism, which will take a big hit, & diversification is desirable.

      With tourism, in fact with a lot of this budget, there seems to be a strong element of wait and see where the recovery gets underway well, & where it doesn’t – and target further spending in the latter area.

      Tourism commentators of late have been remarking that they expect international tourism to take quite some time to crank back up again, that overseas travel holidays are likely to be expensive for some time, & that our tourism operators need to start focussing on internal tourism more.

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      • NOEL

         /  15th May 2020

        When the apprentice system changed quickly the companies apprentice workshop was closed and the apprentices put on the tools like any other tradesman.
        Six months later was at a meeting with management who were perplexed in regard the increase in injuries by first year apprentices.
        Came round to me and all I could offer that in the apprentice workshop they could only work on jobs within their skill level.
        Wasn’t well received.

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  3. Corky

     /  15th May 2020

    I witnessed 3 violent events during the lockdown. One event saw two people laid out cold.

    Journalist Susie Nordqvist witnessed a violent event when out walking with her family. She asks some pertinent questions people should think about given what I believe will be a huge spike in violence across the country.

    The article heading is a little exaggerated. This was at the light end of domestic violence, I’m sad to say.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/05/newshub-s-susie-nordqvist-witnesses-shocking-domestic-violence-incident.html

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    • Why are you sad that the domestic violence incident wasn’t serious ? That is very odd.

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      • Corky

         /  15th May 2020

        The only thing odd is [deleted] – reading the article heading would have been a great help by allowing you to work things out…if at all.

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        • I read the heading and the article, and was glad that the violence was no worse than it was, not sorry that it was. But I’d guess that worse had preceded it.

          It would be shocking for most people to witness this.

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  4. An interesting article on how the Indian state of Kerala responded to coronavirus. Only 524 cases, and 4 deaths, in a population of nearly 40 million.

    The differences between how this Indian state responded and the USA/UK couldn’t be more stark.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/14/the-coronavirus-slayer-how-keralas-rock-star-health-minister-helped-save-it-from-covid-19

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    • Pink David

       /  15th May 2020

      122 million have been made unemployed in India in 4 week. Where is the rock star to save them? Unemployed in India means abject poverty. No problem for a communist of course, but still….

      Perhaps you would like to offer some evidence as to this lockdown having any effect at all. Nowhere in Asia is there much covid at all, regardless of lockdowns or not lockdown.

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    • Pink David

       /  15th May 2020

      Just for fun, 14 days since Georgia opened up. Numbers covid cases have plunged.

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    • We could have done as Kerala did, had the government pulled its finger out and taken the advice to test people at the border. Billions would have been saved, the businesses wouldn’t have gone bust, unemployment wouldn’t have soared and nor would the suicide rate.

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    • Missy

       /  16th May 2020

      The problem that those places that had early and hard lockdowns, and have kept the numbers of cases down, is that they now run a very real risk of a second wave when they lift all of the restrictions – NZ included.

      The Swedish epidemiologist who has managed their response believes that once people from NZ, and other places with strict lockdowns, begin to travel again there will be a second wave.

      Despite the criticisms, and the focus on the number of deaths, I still think the UK had the overall correct strategy for them, the lessons learned will show some errors no doubt, partly from the government, partly from the NHS, and partly from PHE (Public Health England), but what hasn’t been reported, and what people have to remember, is that this virus is still nowhere near as bad as the 2017-2018 flu season in the UK where over 50,000 died.

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      • Missy

         /  16th May 2020

        Oops, my error, those flu deaths for 2017-2018 are the deaths for England and Wales, not the UK as a whole.

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  5. Corky

     /  15th May 2020

    Lurchy’s dream of a CB radio for his scooter is dashed by Winston. But…will Winston be overruled by Grant come election time? Unlikely, but the working class need a carrot to keep them going and producing.

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/budget-2020-winston-peters-rejects-helicopter-cash-payouts-all-kiwis-help-stimulate-economy

    My Chiropractor told me the expensive insurance he had should’ve covered him for the Covid lockdown. The Insurance company disagreed and won’t pay him a cent. Luckily for him Jacinda has come to the rescue. No guesses who gets his vote.

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    • Insurance hasn’t covered things like this for about 20 years. It’s spelt out; he should have noticed it by now.

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      • Corky

         /  15th May 2020

        What would you know? Are you a Chiropractor? How would you know what the status of his insurance cover was? It was spelt out and he was covered in his opinion, and that of his insurance agent. He has two remedial courses of action open to him. Both of which may be cost and time prohibitive.

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  6. NOEL

     /  15th May 2020

    Brilliant blue sky this morning before overcast.
    During that time over pass by an unusually noisy Hughes 300, a usually noisy R22 and gyro copter in addition to two light aircraft. Mind you one of the aircraft was very quiet.

    Yup level one has returned to the sky.

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  15th May 2020

    I’m really confused about our medical system,and PPE, due to an accident my wife had at home, her shoulder popped out, really painfull an ambulance attended(thanks team), afterwards then a followup X-Ray at Bowen hospital Wgtn on 23-4-20and an ultra scan at Bowen hospital on the 7-5-20, NO PPE ie facemask on anyone except an oldie wearing a face mask, I sat in the car, today a followup at Wgtn Hospital, sat in the car for nearly 90 minutes, tight security, my wife reports and again no PPE being worn, no face masks, she bathed in hand sanitiser afterwards,the fumes nearly pushed me over the drink-drive limit

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    • 56 people now have Covid here. The chances are virtually non-existent of catching it.

      My shoulder was dislocated and it and my arm shattered, Every so often it goes out again; it’s blimmin painful when it does this and then goes back in. I know just how it feels to have that happen.

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  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  15th May 2020

    Just had a doggy tragedy. Little Coco got surprise attacked by a visiting dog out at the horses and went into shock which despite Mrs Al’s best efforts at CPR she couldn’t save her. Very sad day at our place.

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    • Gezza

       /  15th May 2020

      Oh God, Alan. I’m so sorry. Sad with you.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  15th May 2020

        Thanks, G. My poor step daughter is distraught. Coco was her baby.

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        • Gezza

           /  15th May 2020

          Yours too. I remember your family was looking after Coco so she could be given to another family. But when the time came, with that cheeky little face & sweet, funnt personality, she’d stolen all your hearts, so you didn’t. My deepest condolences.

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          • Gezza

             /  15th May 2020

            FiP!
            *funny

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  15th May 2020

            Yep, for a tiny little thing she had a huge personality and sense of fun. She’ll leave a big gap here so suddenly.

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            • Poor little doggy, and poor you.

              ‘Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware,
              Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.’

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  15th May 2020

              Very apposite, Kitty. Brought a few tears.

            • I won’t quote any more, it is too heart-breaking. Kipling knew exactly what it’s like.

            • Duker

               /  15th May 2020

              Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our life whole.

            • duperez

               /  16th May 2020

              All the best to you and your family. We’ve lost two in the past 18 months. We still see a movement out the corner of the eye and momentarily it’s them. Those moments have their sadness but also the joy. Enjoy those moments and memories.

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