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  1. Gezza

     /  22nd May 2020

    Stuff:

    What’s going on here?

    They make the image of the challenger chimp look bigger thus visually more dominant than the current leader chimp.

    It’s a piece of piss these days to resize & balance/harmonise twinned images like, even free, online. A child could do it.

    Laziness … or an attempt at subtle manipulation of the public mood to fit Stuff’s preference for something, somebody, new & interesting to break them out of the boredom now being experienced with a well-over-exposed & getting-more-glib-&-boring Ardern?

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    • Hard to know what’s behind the choice of images by media.

      Yesterday Newshub had a report (from Tova O’Brien) claiming that high expenses declared for Muller suggested he had been campaigning against bridges for months. That’s a ridiculous implication. Muller as spokesperson for agriculture needs to do a lot of travelling around rural New Zealand, a simple explanation for higher than average travel expenses.

      MPs’ expenses appear to show Muller has been campaigning for months to roll Bridges

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      • Gezza

         /  22nd May 2020

        Tova O’Brien, imo, & to coin a phrase by my good neighbour South a bit down the motorway, Lurchy, is “a idiot”.

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        • It was Dickens who coined (i.e.invented) that phrase when he made Mr Bumble say that the law was ‘a ass – a idiot’ when he was told that in the eye of the law, his wife acted under his direction and that he was also liable for crimes she had committed. He went on to say that if that was the eye of the law, the law was a bachelor, and that he hoped that eye would be opened by experience; ‘by experience, sir.’

          Dickens coined it almost 200 years ago, long before Lurch was born.

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          • Gezza

             /  22nd May 2020

            Aw come on. Not all that long before Lurch was born. And if Dickens hadn’t invented “a idiot” Lurchy would have, & could’ve got all the credit for it. “Worth ‘is weight in gold” sometimes, is me neighbour Lurch, from just up the motorway a bit.

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            • Well, a few years. Oliver Twist was written in the 1830s, the decade before Lurch was a twinkle in his father’s eye.

            • lurcher1948

               /  22nd May 2020

              Keep me out of your arguments,I’m a living god

      • Duker

         /  22nd May 2020

        Good catch PG
        “Muller is leagues ahead of other MPs in terms of how much they’ve spent, with the next highest being Rotorua MP Todd McClay on $27,118.”

        Todd McClay is Bridges numbers man, so was likely Bridges cotorie knew the push was on and was out to counter it. It would have to be not only MPs themselves but the local electorate chairs and the regional party nomenklatura. Its likely wavering Mps would consult with their local party activists as they dont want to be off side with them

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    • David

       /  22nd May 2020

      I have absolutely no idea what Muller is like, its such a strange place to be. I want to post something erudite but I am lost, I kinda want him to win just to see if it works…maybe I just agree with you Gezza and I am bore stiff with Jacindamania.

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      • I was worse than bored with her giggling response to the people burning cellphone towers and knocking out the cellphone coverage of much of Auckland. Saying ‘Don’t !’ to the vandals in a way that made it sound like a big joke was totally inappropriate in the circumstances.

        I wonder if she’d find it amusing if her own phone was unusable because of this.

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        • Gezza

           /  22nd May 2020

          You’re too hard on her, Kitty. She hasn’t had all your education & life experiences. You even criticise her clothes. You’ll get a name for yourself if you keep this up.

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          • You can talk.

            Seriously, that was an inane response. Having no cellphone coverage in an emergency could be disastrous, and having the PM giggling and acting as if it was hilarious was incredibly inappropriate.

            That puce ‘satin’ outfit that looked like cheap pyjamas several sizes too small was laughed at by a lot of people.

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            • Corky

               /  22nd May 2020

              Kitty. That’s Geeza you are talking to..show some respect.

            • No, it was Gezza.

              Pay someone the respect of getting their name right, please.

            • Gezza

               /  22nd May 2020

              How many people laughed? None that I know.

            • Gezza

               /  22nd May 2020

              … at the satin outfit, I mean.

          • Gezza

             /  22nd May 2020

            You can talk.
            I’ve just been doing my best to help her improve her diction. Teachers failed her. Parents failed her. Lecturers failed her. Hasn’t held her back tho.

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            • Even some in the US did; the outfit made it look as if she hadn’t had time to get dressed. The long brown dress that she wore was much more in keeping with the position of PM than the tacky fake satin.

  2. lurcher1948

     /  22nd May 2020

    Remember folks,according to TV3 AM host Mark Richardson,covid-19 hasn’t caused any hardship in New Zealand,all our problems are squarely on the shoulders of PM Jacinda Ardern,the hatred for her pulsates of this righty.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  22nd May 2020

      Here’s a thought that could be worrying the leech of Epson,David Seymour( leech because he sucks of the generosity of National) Paul Goldsmith might be feeling worried about his position and take on Seymour,there cannot be many gun nuts in Epsom so Goldsmith could dethrone Seymour…

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      • Rubbish, David often criticises National; I have told him it’s not a good idea. He says what he thinks without fear or favour.

        The idea that David favours gun nuts is old and tired and no truer now that it ever was. Repeating something doesn’t make it true.

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    • The PM is the one who shut the economy down for a small number of people with the virus; the only ones who died were old and frail and unlikely to live much longer.

      She has bankrupted businesses and their owners, made thousands unemployed and will be making the unemployment rate at least double. She has given the country an eye-watering debt. She stopped people going to hospital for urgent operations. She made it illegal to visit old people living alone. The list goes on.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  22nd May 2020

        Kitty look at the UK all sorts are falling like flies, The plague is ALL JACINDAS FAULT,,JACINDA ,NOT ENOUGH HAVE DIED….bad bad Jacinda,…KITTY wanted thousands dead, the right moan always moaning,never praising

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        • I never wanted thousands dead; that is a scurrilous untruth, It’s a disgusting thing to say about anyone.

          You must know the damage that she did to the economy and that people who needed to be in hospital couldn’t be. Did you know that, according to the Official Information office, 306 more old people than usual for the time of year have died ? That is too many to be a coincidence.

          All that was needed was testing at the border, which would have cost a tiny fraction of the mega-billions Labour have borrowed because the lockdown cost so many jobs and made businesses go belly-up.

          Did you hear about the parents of a young man who killed himself because of the lockdown whose last sight of him was in a body bag ? No funeral, of course,, They had to kneel in the mud to say goodbye. This was in Invercargill

          Have you heard about the rise in domestic violence because Jacinda decreed that the victims couldn’t leave their houses, even to go to a refuge ? Or the people who were not let to see dying parents ? Or the woman who had to go through a miscarriage alone because the hospital wouldn’t let her husband in ?

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        • Pink David

           /  22nd May 2020

          “Kitty look at the UK all sorts are falling like flies, The plague is ALL JACINDAS FAULT,,JACINDA ,NOT ENOUGH HAVE DIED….bad bad Jacinda,…KITTY wanted thousands dead, the right moan always moaning,never praising”

          Lurcher, it is you who has kill tens of thousands, and destroyed tens of millions of lives. You demand the world goes into lockdown because you are afraid. Hundred of millions loose their jobs, tens of thousands die in care homes because of the fear hospitals will be overrun, so they clear them out into those care homes. Many thousands will die because of delayed medical treatments. NZ only has spent tens of millions for nothing, just thrown the money into the sea. For what exactly?

          Your hysterics have cause massive harm. You are the one demanding not thousands, but millions dead. Just because you are afraid.

          He is baselined data from the UK, where is the falling like fly’s? Where is this thing you are afraid of?

          https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYilVt_WkAA4Z96?format=jpg&name=large

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          • lurcher1948

             /  22nd May 2020

            Pinky D wash your mouth out with dettol before you spray your crap all over me,AND inject yourself with bleach I’m teaching you HOW the real world works,I feel my few posts educate the mentally challenged here.

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            • Pink David

               /  23rd May 2020

              There is nothing anyone needs to learn from your bile filled nonsense except for an understanding of who you really are. Just a mean old man with terrible ideas.

              Your ideas are in the process of destroying millions of lives and there will be a reckoning. All because you are afraid. A bed wetter.

          • Speaking to a “bile filled … mean old man with terrible ideas,” Pink David, how’s your defence of Tara Reade going?

            Here are a few developments in the past week to factor into your “thinking”:

            ~ California defense attorneys are now challenging the convictions of their clients amid questions about whether Reade misrepresented her “expert witness” credentials under oath. Six cases involving Reade’s testimony are already under review by the 6th District Appellate Program.

            ~ Reade’s lawyers have parted company with her evidently because they were able to establish she was misleading them

            ~ Twitter cheerleaders for Reade, Peter Daou, Shaun King, and Ryan Grim have all deleted their Tara Reade tweets

            Looks like another shabby campaign hatched by conservative scum to taint Joe Biden has fallen flat on its face.

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  3. David

     /  22nd May 2020

    The CDC now say catching Covid from touching a surface is very unlikely which is good news for the worried folk out there.
    My gym gives us a bottle of sanitizer and we are to spray down every surface after touching it, they have limited the capacity to 75 people and you have to book an hours slot then they clean the whole place down once an hour. Its bloody ridiculous and the kind girl behind the counter whom I enquired if the booking system and rigid hours are necessary given there are only 15 people here she scolded me and admonished me for wanting to spread the virus. Sweet girl and clearly happy to be on the team of 5 million and doing her bit, shame the gym will shortly have no customers as we all go somewhere with sane management.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  22nd May 2020

      “Following the science” when no-one knows what it is. Too stupid for words.

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      • Gezza

         /  22nd May 2020

        Ridiculous, Sir Alan.
        Those ARE words.
        Sir Gerald

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  22nd May 2020

          I am resigned to living amongst idiots, Sir Gerald.

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      • “Too stupid for words”

        and yet here you are … wording

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  22nd May 2020

          Eye rolling and head shaking require video.

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          • Gezza

             /  22nd May 2020

            Not necessarily.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  22nd May 2020

              Looks like video to me but at least no advts.

            • Gezza

               /  22nd May 2020

              Must beca long time since youbwatched a video is all I can say.

            • Gezza

               /  22nd May 2020

              Aw…shit.

              Nope. I can say more. In fact I probably should say that again!

              Must be a long time since you watched a video.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  22nd May 2020

              Just the last time I turned one into a gif for you. Cold and mostly grey here. Need more global warming.

            • Gezza

               /  22nd May 2020

              Been cold & grey here in North Welly too. Cool northerly wind, a bit gusty. Sun’s just come out, but think I heard (from out in the kitchen) that the wind’s supposed to turn to a Southerly later today – at the tail-end of ZB’s midday news. 😕

    • NOEL

       /  22nd May 2020

      Aint that information going to ignite all those multitudes of hindsight experts David?

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      • Pink David

         /  22nd May 2020

        “Aint that information going to ignite all those multitudes of hindsight experts David?”

        This was never hindsight. It was clear at the beginning. Crying ‘hindsight’ at anyone who points out the incredible stupidity of the last 12 weeks isn’t going to get you out of responsibility.

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        • NOEL

           /  22nd May 2020

          Your have studies that proved it was there from the beginning???

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          • Pink David

             /  22nd May 2020

            The onus of proof is those making the claim. Where is the evidence it was ever the case?
            We know how respiratory illnesses transmit, it’s almost always close contact indoors. There was never any evidence that Covid was any different.

            Nul hypothesis applies.

            Follow the science everyone screeched. There was no science behind any of this, just fear and bullshit.

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            • NOEL

               /  22nd May 2020

              Did you make a song and dance when the claim was first made.
              Nah one of many hindsight experts.

            • Pink David

               /  22nd May 2020

              Check my posts at the time. I have been consist on this from the beginning. This has been a mass delusion from the start.

              The computer models are bullshit
              The lockdown has no science that supported it
              The cost in lives from the lockdown would always be much higher than any possible deaths from Covid.

              Hindsight my ass,

            • Gezza

               /  22nd May 2020

              Hindsight my ass

              Sorry to correct you, Pinky. But I think that would be hindquarter sight.

            • bahahahaha,

              In January 2020 you were a self-anointed impeachment expert
              In April 2020 you were a self-anointed Tara Reade expert
              Now you’re a self-anointed pandemic expert

              Gezza and Noel get it – PD, you’re just full of your own hindquarter expertise

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  23rd May 2020

              The science has been full of crap from the start. There is a long way to go to shake it all out and identify the culprits. Pink David has been far more right than wrong with his scepticism about both the science and the politics.

            • Pink David

               /  23rd May 2020

              You seem very confused Ishmael, or are you gaslighting me bro?

              I care nothing about Reade, the only thing I did was point out the truth behind the #metoo movement, it was always a political vehicle and nothing to do with protecting women. My only real interesting was to troll you, and point out your comical hypocrisy.

              Care you point out where I said anything much about the impeachment, other than it was, again nothing but a political movement with nothing behind it? I’m looking forward to Flynn being appointed head of the FBI. That will be a good day.

              I know a lot about pandemics. I cleaned up the mess left from the response to one in the UK a couple of decades ago. There has been one in the South Island that NZ has completely failed to deal with for the last 3 years that I watched from the sidelines, and I was an early investor in a startup company making treatments for Rinovirus and Flu. It’s an interesting topic. I also know how to think, which you clearly do not know.

              In the last 3 months the data, layer by layer, is that Covid has been around longer than assumed, is less deadly than the Flu and has a very specific group of people that it puts at risk. That was clear at the beginning.

              If you where not so busy wetting your bed, anyone with an once of sense could see the lockdowns would make things worse. Just one look at the UK and New York shows that.

            • Pink David

               /  23rd May 2020

              “Pink David has been far more right than wrong with his scepticism about both the science and the politics.”

              I’m actually not skeptical about the science at all. Where good science has been done, it’s very close to the mark.
              Wittkowski’s paper was spot on;
              https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.28.20036715v5

              Professor Gupta was spot on;;
              https://unherd.com/2020/05/oxford-doubles-down-sunetra-gupta-interview/

              ICL, who have been the main adviser where profoundly wrong, exactly the same way they were in 2001.

              There were two triggers for me;
              1. Media presenting ‘exponential’ graphs without any context or baseline. That should be a crime. They were never what they presented them as. That is something Ishmael will never understand.

              2. Ferguson’s computer models. They have been proven profoundly wrong time and again. When I dealt with that team at ICL, they were all single function thinkers. If they had been allowed too, they would have carried on killing until every living animal in the UK was on a burning heap.

              Once you dug into this, there was no science. Just fear led decisions made by very ill-informed people.

              People will study the reaction to Covid for a hundred years. Covid will be a footnote, the hysterical reaction is what will be studied.

  4. lurcher1948

     /  22nd May 2020

    David i presume you signed in under the name”Mickey Mouse” ? sort of sums up your attitude to your fellow New Zealanders.

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    • Corky

       /  22nd May 2020

      What about your attitude towards mankind, Lurchy? Every time you park your scooter up at Joe’s Cafe n’ Bar, go in and order a Avocado and Bacon grilled sandwich, you are supporting what is being done to these poor Chilean folk. No scooters for them…and no water. ⚠

      I have a clear clear conscience. I have planted my own trees.

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      • Really ? Why do you buy avocadoes from the supermarket and hang around seeing who else does?

        They have been grown in NZ for a very long time.

        We call them ‘toasted sandwiches’ in NZ.

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        • Corky

           /  22nd May 2020

          ”They have been grown in NZ for a very long time.”

          The things you learn every day.😮

          ”We call them ‘toasted sandwiches’ in NZ.”

          We can call them anything we like as long as the person behind the counter understands our korero.

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      • Corky

         /  22nd May 2020

        The things you learn everyday. Grown in NZ for a very long time…uh huh!

        As long as the person behind the counter understands our korero, we can call toasted sandwiches anything we like. I wouldn’t want to come across as a pedantic busybody.

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        • Too late, you already have come across as one. Grilled sandwich is what they are called in America.

          And it’s ‘every day’; ‘everyday’ is an adjective (an everyday occurence)

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          • Corky

             /  22nd May 2020

            ”And it’s ‘every day’; ‘everyday’ is an adjective (an everyday occurence)”

            One point…and one spelling check for you to work out.

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            • Typo; occurrence. If we could edit, I would have corrected it. But I didn’t think that you would know this word, anyway.

  5. Looks like the “Swedish Experiment” is not delivering the widespread immunity the country’s epidemiologists hoped for.

    “Just 7.3% of Stockholm’s inhabitants had developed Covid-19 antibodies by the end of April, according to a study, raising concerns that the country’s light-touch approach to the coronavirus may not be helping it build up broad immunity.

    The research by Sweden’s public health agency comes as Finland warned it would be risky to welcome Swedish tourists after figures suggested the country’s death rate per capita was the highest in Europe over the seven days to 19 May.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/21/just-7-per-cent-of-stockholm-had-covid-19-antibodies-by-end-of-april-study-sweden-coronavirus

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    • Corky

       /  22nd May 2020

      Herd immunity. Interesting concept. Apparently, percentage wise, that’s how vaccinations should work.

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      • Duker

         /  22nd May 2020

        Will still have clusters but they would be smaller and community transmission much rarer.
        Doesnt mean individuals are immune if they come in close contact to a ‘spreader’
        Some diseases like measles are just so much more contagious ( 10X?) than Sars-CoV-2 that the herd immunity level is up around 95% which is achieved by vaccinating everyone. This virus has a much lower level say 35% so its difficult to get the right level of around 1 in 3. Elderly should aim for blanket immunisation, front line workers in hospitals, dental surgeries and care homes the same. For others , maybe essential if you travel overseas or participate locally in team sports etc

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  22nd May 2020

      I don’t think that’s conclusive. Children seem to ward off the infection with so few antibodies some other mechanism was suspected. All the instant antibody tests failed because levels could be so low.

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      • I don’t think its conclusive either but the science – remember science? – and the economics is starting to indicate that the Swedish approach hasn’t been as successful as some suggest.

        The Swedes wanted to preserve their economy but the transaction data for 830,000 Danes and Swedes from the second-largest Scandinavian bank found aggregate spending dropped by 25% in Sweden without a lockdown and only 4% more in Denmark, which instituted a lockdown.

        Click to access press-release-corona-pandemic-increasing-risks-to-financial-stability.pdf

        And the underlying idea behind herd immunity is to build anti-bodies in the population – but only 7.3% of Stockholm’s inhabitants had developed Covid-19 antibodies by the end of April.

        Denmark has had 10,713 cases of Covid-19 and 537 deaths, while Sweden has seen 28,582 cases and 3,529 deaths. Sweden has had nearly four times the number of deaths per capita and their economy is in dire straits.

        Still early days yet but the Swedish experiment using their population as guinea pigs is starting to look like a failure

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        • there’s a link in my comment above to Sweden’s Riksbank that isn’t displaying corectly. I’ve broken it below – just get rid of the space after https
          https ://www.riksbank.se/globalassets/media/nyheter–pressmeddelanden/pressmeddelanden/2020/press-release-corona-pandemic-increasing-risks-to-financial-stability.pdf

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  23rd May 2020

          I doubt aggregate spending is a relevant measure when governments are throwing cash at the population. The test will be in the economic recovery and total deaths over the duration.

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  22nd May 2020

    Proud to say the record continues on another week ends without me hearing a word from Hosking or Hawkesby…it not hard to do

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  22nd May 2020

      Well done, Lurch. How is your blood pressure now?

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      • Duker

         /  22nd May 2020

        Now NZME has pulled its “application’ to overide the courts and get the government to allow its takeover over for Stuff, someones removed the sock from teh Hosk as the anti gov. invective is back to normal

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        • Gezza

           /  22nd May 2020

          Who’s the third party that doesn’t need ComCom aporoval?

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          • Duker

             /  22nd May 2020

            Heard of monopoly ….thats what NZME would be .
            Unknown 3rd party , sweet as

            Some say it will be TVNZ, but these fast money guys can make even more money from distressed asset.
            With $270 mill revenue Stuff is still a major business

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  7. Gezza

     /  22nd May 2020

    Having a terse email exchange with ma’s former Rest Home. Two weeks into lockdown & they still won’t release her personal effects. Blaming Health Dept. Given them till Tuesday. After that I’ll hsve to chase down Health Dept of the DHB & findvout wtf’s going on. Bloody ridiculous. God help them all if they try to charge me storage.

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    • Gezza

       /  22nd May 2020

      Fkit.
      *Two weeks into level 2

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        • Gezza

           /  22nd May 2020

          Know where it’s stored? I do. Been in the place? Since Lockdown? I have.

          Talk about something you actually know something about instead of trying to pretend you know everything anyone needs to know about everything via your remote learning on Google.

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          • Duker

             /  22nd May 2020

            Hint “Blaming Health Dept.” is a clue that its not them whos the Covidiot

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            • Gezza

               /  22nd May 2020

              See below. Back to your mirror. Tell the idiot in there he’s making you look stupid again.

          • Gezza

             /  22nd May 2020

            Hint: No, it’s you. I can find nothing in there that explicitly covers this situation.

            Or it may be the manager. Let me share with you & readers her reply to my email enquiry this morning asking when I might be able to collect ma’s effects, seeing we have now been in level 2 for two weeks & she has not updated me as promised.

            “Hi [Gezza]
            What don’t we aim fof Mkndwe have been saved on tighter restrictions thank the normal public.
            But we anticipate monday we should be able to get around rgus
            How would the afternoon suit to follow y Vdls personal effects,
            I am seen fid these inconveniences
            Rega6cher”

            I kid you not. The Administrator had to ring me after she got copied in. I will probably contact the DHB as it is by no means certain there are rules & if so whether they know level 2.1 means I can now be provided with her effects. They are supposed to bevin a storeroom. All they have to do is bring them outside. It’s a shambles there, admin-wise.

            Sit down, please. You know nothing relevant & are blocking my view of intelligent comments.

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  8. Pink David

     /  22nd May 2020

    Here is the new normal for pubs. No social contact allowed.

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  9. Gezza

     /  22nd May 2020

    Bloody Herald! Ridiculous ad.

    How many of us can also donate $1million? 🙄

    Corky? Lurch? Anyone?

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    • NOEL

       /  22nd May 2020

      Is there a Kiwi Captain Tom?

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      • Why is the helicopter needed for the virus, especially now ?

        They seem to be cashing in, which is disappointing. I have donated in the past, but didn’t this year because they were doing that.

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    • Corky

       /  22nd May 2020

      Sorry, my donations are going to our local hospice who are in critical need of funding. Moronism is a growth industry in Aotearoa.

      I have just received an email from my health supplement provider. They are advising their Auckland retail shop will close for good as they restructure. 13 people onto the dole queue.
      We can’t fill out Lotto forms at Lotto outlets…and social distancing is making pubs and clubs look ridiculous as it defeats their purpose for being. Talk about Russia 1950s style.

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      • Gezza

         /  22nd May 2020

        Jacinda & Ashley will have to go ! 😡

        Who else have they got ? 😳

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      • lurcher1948

         /  22nd May 2020

        Corky stop pulling our tails,you are not the sort of person who helps ANYONE i could say, in your world its Corkys way or the highway unless you are a fine upstanding,gun toting neanderthal….just saying but you never appear charitable

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        • Corky

           /  22nd May 2020

          I give plenty of money to charities, Lurchy. The more I give, the more I receive. That’s
          the law.

          Next time you are near a charity box…try it. Yes, your chompers will be rattling a mile- a minute and you may have to change your strides when you get home…but you will be able to say: ”for the first time in my 80 years I have given to charity. A warm fuzzy feeling with envelop you as you think about the good your 10 cent donation has made.

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          • If you think that 10c is a generous donation, you are behind the times. No wonder you say that you give plenty of money to charities.

            I have several automatic payments going out, and no, I am not going to say how much or what they are.But they are not the risible amount that you suggest as a generous donation,

            As you are a great-uncle many times over, you can’t be any chicken yourself.

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            • Gezza

               /  22nd May 2020

              He’s everywhere ! He’s everywhere !

            • Corky

               /  22nd May 2020

              ”If you think that 10c is a generous donation, you are behind the times. No wonder you say that you give plenty of money to charities.”

              😂😂😂🔱

            • Nooooooo…….

  10. Bye Bye Simon… :/

    Hello ‘Team-Muller/Kaye’ ?

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  11. Conspiratoor

     /  22nd May 2020

    Farewell Hong Kong, it was good to know you. Now who’s next? Taiwan, please hand over the keys…

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/21/china-proposes-controversial-national-security-law-for-hong-kong

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    • Corky

       /  22nd May 2020

      It had to come, Con. Taiwan is going to be a problem child for the West and China.

      Reply
    • Gezza

       /  22nd May 2020

      Shit. As a country, what should we do now? What are your reckons? 😐

      Reply
      • Conspiratoor

         /  22nd May 2020

        We had this out 2 days ago. I would rebuild trade alliances and side with our traditional allies, you are happy to sit on the fence citing for some fucked up reason your dislike of trump

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        • Gezza

           /  22nd May 2020

          I don’t recall us “having it out”. And I am not sitting on the fence. As I have said. We are far too exposed to China economically. It can pressure us to support them in situations where this is not in our national interest. Although it is inconceivable that we would agree to go against our national interest where they coincidecwith those of our traditional English-speaking allies.

          As I have said, we need to build alternative & additional trade markets. And my understanding is that those are being worked on. When is Trump going buy all that China currently buys from us? At the price they pay or better? Or Britain? Canada? Oz?

          What about India?

          What’s your plan for transitioning our market from China to the US ? Wtf do you think Trump knows or cares about NZ?

          Reply
  12. lurcher1948

     /  22nd May 2020

    This is for the departed Paula Bennett

    not a very nice person by shafting every solo mother who tried to follow her lead

    Reply
    • What a ridiculous statement. She did no such thing.

      The two who were bleating lost a lot of sympathy when people heard what their income was !

      Reply
      • lurcher1948

         /  22nd May 2020

        YAWN

        Reply
      • Duker

         /  22nd May 2020

        Who removed ladder for solo mum’s to study for a degree while on benefit like she did….Paula
        Who removed assistance for solo mum’s to buy their own home like she did…Paula
        Who said his party was compassionate conservative while lauding the increased numbers of mum’s on benefit with 3 yr olds we’re working part time..Bill English

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  13. Gezza

     /  22nd May 2020

    YNZ Reader/Poster Survey:

    Will Simon Bridges now retire from politics or try to stay on?

    Retire … upvote

    Stay on … downvote.

    Reply
    • Duker

       /  22nd May 2020

      After English and Joyce failed to be inundated by commercial offers and Jenny fouled the nest on the Chinese owned companies…..hmmm …
      Hell stay and plot revenge with his new bestie Judith Anne

      Reply
      • Gezza

         /  22nd May 2020

        You don’t seem to be capable of reading simple survey instructions.

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        • Duker

           /  22nd May 2020

          Survey doesn’t predict anything it’s just a gimmick..Bridges isn’t going anywhere except down revenge St.
          Old saying …Politics teaches you to really hate, as politicians are so duplicitous and dishonest
          Rodders will tell you how he moved to Wellington after parliament …after being dumped by his ungrateful caucus…waiting for a juicy government job from Key…and got zilch ,zero nothing. Key washed his hands of him, no longer useful and had no real ability….goodbye. Eventually got a low level job in Christchurch with that Henderson dude who was having difficulties with official Assignee…what a let down
          His crime ? Saying Key was a hands off and lazy (politically) PM. It was true enough but the punters can’t be told about what really happens

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  14. lurcher1948

     /  22nd May 2020

    Have a thought for Simon Bridges

    been given the boot is hard ….i know but you move on

    Reply
  15. on the same day I hear that the Natl party changed their leadership to Muller & Nikki, I also heard a poll found only 25% now support the ‘reeferendum’.. oh dear, never mind :/

    we still have 4 months to convince another 40% that they have it wrong: we want Regulation not a ‘free-for all’ ie R20 & only sold on licensed premises, personal use on licensed premises & private property etc. just like booooze
    * not for kids

    that word again ‘Regulation’ 🙂

    Reply
    • Duker

       /  22nd May 2020

      Hehehe …too late the voters know that nice white Stoner Shoppee will be in Ponsonby Rd while South Auckland will still have tinny houses on every second St….a bit like the grog shops which proliferate there as well.
      Massive mistep in getting the so called medicinal and the health pathways approach for the tiny number of marijuana convictions all done as it’s taken the heat out of the rec use reeferedum…..bye..

      Reply

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