Cape Reinga closure “cultural mumbo jumbo” as authorities puihi foot

Cape Reinga has remained closed (with a gate across the road) since lockdown, with some local Māori saying the area needs to be blessed and cleansed due to Covid-19, because after death people’s spirits travel there to depart to the afterlife.

Tourists are being blocked from visiting Cape Reinga by local Iw, with the puihi footing support of DOC and compliance of NZTA.

Earlier this week National MP Matt King tried visiting the Cape with his wife and parents and a man threatened to “knock him out” if he tried to get past the gate.

NZ First MP Shane Jones has called the claims ‘rubbish” and “cultural mumbo jumbo”.

On Wednesday (1 News):  National MP in confrontation with members of local iwi after being refused access to Cape Reinga

Dozens of tourists are being turned away from Cape Reinga by local iwi, despite tourism and hospitality in the region trying to encourage visitors to the area.

Northland MP Matt King made a video of a confrontation that took place with iwi as he tried to access the location.

“It’s my customary rights and I’m prepared to knock you out if you pass that gate,” a person blocking access says in the video.

Mr King talked to 1 NEWS about his experience.

“This is not about Covid-19, they gave me a range of reasons as to why the road was blocked. One was that DOC was doing maintenance up there, then they said it was their land.

“Northland is a beautiful place with beautiful people in it and we’ve got a lot to offer and I just want to see the roadblocks taken down and us just getting back to business”.

Ngāti Kuri says that is what it wants too, but first the sacred site must be cleansed. Māori tradition holds that after death spirits travel there to depart.

“There is a responsibility and obligation and opportunity to move us through to Level 1 by having an appropriate opening so spirits can move toward te rerenga wairua,” Harry Burkhardt of Ngāti Kuri says.

NZTA say its working with the iwi and the Department of Conservation who are restricting access until facilities are cleaned.

“Working with” appears to be allowing the road block to continue as long as those involved from Ngāti Kuri choose.

DOC fully supports Ngāti Kuri’s management of the area and says it’s working to undertake physical safety checks at the site, including walking trails, campgrounds and facilities.

A reopening ceremony will take place on May 29.

Also from NZ Herald:  `This isn’t about Covid 19′

Northland MP Matt King set off for Cape Rēinga, with his wife and parents, on Tuesday, but he didn’t get there. State Highway 1 was blocked several kilometres south of the cape, and the four people manning it had no intention of letting him past.

“I got them to admit that it was about Māori land. They told me they owned the land, and they weren’t going to let me past.”

One of those manning the gate, he said, had threatened to knock him out, while another said one phone call would bring 500 reinforcements to the gate, and that they would “eat me alive”.

A police officer was present, but did not intervene, and left when King did, following him south. (Police have given an undertaking that officers will be present at every Covid-19 checkpoint).

“He said he had been told not to take action, so he was in an impossible position, but his role had been to keep the peace. If he hadn’t been there it could have become quite ugly.”

King said he had been contacted by numerous people, including tour operators, who were concerned and upset by the road closure.

Most of them were afraid to speak publicly, so he was speaking for them.

Shane Jones never seems afraid to speak, even when criticising Māori.

Saturday (1 News): Shane Jones calls iwi’s reason for barring access to Cape Reinga ‘cultural mumbo jumbo’

“Cape Reinga has been hijacked by Ngāti Kuri and their cultural mumbo jumbo,” says Shane Jones.

“This notion that the spirits need to slumber post Covid is rubbish, this notion that the spirits are travelling to Cape Reinga to hibernate.”

The MP is of Te Aupouri and Ngai Takoto descent and says the Cape belongs to the nation and has significance to all Māori tribes.

“It’s a place of national significance that’s being tainted by people that don’t know what they’re talking about and who have no mandate.“

Jones says the iwi organisation overseeing the closure is like, “children without books, they haven’t learnt anything.”

The closure coincides with Northland industry leaders calling for people to come and visit the region.

Police wouldn’t comment on the road block instead referring the matter to the New Zealand Transport Authority which says it’s working with the Iwi and the Department of Conservation who are supporting the restricted access.

Authorities puihi foot around the issue.

If Matt King had referred to the road block as ‘rubbish’ and the need to let spirits slumber as ‘mumbo jumbo’ he would likely have been condemned by some Māori. These days it seems that only Māori  can be critical of Māori actions and cultural beliefs.

Ngāti Kuri have said they  will reopen the road with a ceremony on May 29.

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  1. Gezza

     /  24th May 2020

    Yup. Posted about that last night after seeing “Matua” Shane ripping Ngati Kuri a new one. Quite rightly. Covid 19 is pretty clearly being used by some members of some iwi to flex their muscles & see what they can get away with.

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    • It’s being used by others as well; look at the Westpac helicopter which is hardly likely to be used in this situation. I was very disappointed by their cashing in on it.

      Then there are the designers making masks. Let’s hope that they are landed with them as so few are still wearing masks.If I had to wear one (ghastly thought) I would run a few up myself, I wouldn’t buy a ‘designer’ one made by someone like Karen Walker.

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  2. NOEL

     /  24th May 2020

    Aw dunno Covid came out of cultural practice in China.

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    • Duker

       /  24th May 2020

      All flu viruses come out of China, its the ducks, chickens, pigs and people in close proximity. Europeans stopped living with their domesticated animals a long time ago.
      Africa has its own viruses in the animal population which have the potential to create outbreaks

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      • Griff.

         /  24th May 2020

        All flu viruses come out of China ?

        The swine-origin influenza A (H1N1) virus that appeared in 2009 and was first found in human beings in Mexico, is a reassortant with at least three parents. Six of the genes are closest in sequence to those of H1N2 ‘triple-reassortant’ influenza viruses isolated from pigs in North America around 1999-2000.

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        • Duker

           /  24th May 2020

          Yes thats correct but not the full story
          “together with differences in provenance support the conclusion that S-OIV[first identified in Mexico] had three parents; one from North America, one from Europe and the third from Asia.”
          From where did the 2009 ‘swine-origin’ influenza A virus (H1N1) emerge?
          https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-6-207
          We have exported live animals to Mexico , are they importing live pigs from other countries?

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      • “Europeans stopped living with their domesticated animals a long time ago.’

        Really? When I was in Germany ten years ago their village based farming where barns and houses are in close proximity was obviously still going on.

        ‘It’s medieval’: why some cows are still living most of their lives tied up

        A farming practice where cows are tethered and restricted to sitting or standing is still commonplace, particularly in southern Germany.

        Jürgen Weber points to a lesion on the hind leg of one of his cows, a common health problem in “tie stalls”, where the animals are kept permanently restrained in one position. His herd of 30 cows face each other in two rows inside the dim, low-ceilinged barn on the side of the family home in the town of Boxberg, in the southern German state of Baden-Württemberg.

        German vets say keeping cows this way is a violation of the country’s animal protection laws leading to a “significant restriction of the natural behaviour of cows, lack of social hygiene and social contact with other cows”. Yet more than one third of cows in the country are still kept in this manner, particularly in southern German states such as Baden-Württemberg (30% of dairy farms) and Bavaria (60%).

        Weber, 50, says he has no choice; his farm is stuck in the middle of a town with no additional space to build an open barn or allow his cows outside. “I think people would prefer the cows in the field, but what should I do? I have the stable and I have the milk.”

        https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/08/its-medieval-why-some-cows-are-still-living-most-of-their-lives-tied-up

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        • Aren’t cats and dogs domesticated animals ?

          Some people near me have two dear little piggies who go for walks like dogs. Others have an organic lawnmower a.k.a. a goat, and it’s not the only one.

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          • Gezza

             /  24th May 2020

            I’ve got 6 purple ones. But one of them’s got an irritating habit of pulling a few clumps of grass right out, out as well as trimming the grass It’s most likely Aspen II.

            Almost caught in the act this morning. He was the only one still there on the lawn after the others had all had breakfast & gone back to the stream. There were no new uprooted clumps when they departed.

            Very hard to get thru to pooks what’s allowed & what’s not with lawn grass. Down on the stream banks pulling up & eating grass roots sometimes is perfectly normal, natural pook behaviour.

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        • Duker

           /  24th May 2020

          The birds-pigs- humans combination is the primary factor. The reservoir of avian viruses, the bird droppings, the pigs rooting around in the ground and the ability of pigs to incubate viruses that are especially suited for human transmission.
          Grass fed cows on their own isnt enough , although cow-pox was closely related to and may have been the origin for human small pox. Cowpox was the starting point of the first human vaccine, the word coming the latin for cow.

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  3. lurcher1948

     /  24th May 2020

    I think a Ford Ranger with a chain could sort the problem out,unless you get eaten in the process.

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    • Gezza

       /  24th May 2020

      The problem, if you’d want to zip up there in your XTrail & give it a shot, is that the bro dude who said he would, on telly – until he sort of backed down – MIGHT just knock you out because he said exercising his cultural rights means he can do that, Lurchy. Take the dogs. And hope he doesn’t have any himself.

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    • Corky

       /  24th May 2020

      Lurchy, `the bro wasn’t joking. They are prepared for someone to give it a go. They know there are a few folk out there who are as aggressive as they are. Once you had been hemmed in, you would be dragged off your scooter and given the hobbies.

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      • Given knitting needles and wool or a Lego set ? 😀 😀 😀

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        • Or some paints and canvases ? Woodwork tools ? Seeds and potting mix ?

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          • Gezza

             /  24th May 2020

            Took me a couple of secs to get that. 😀

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            • Corky

               /  24th May 2020

              She’s on fire today. You may be witnessing the zenith of her blogging career.🙄

            • Gezza

               /  24th May 2020

              I suspect the burning smell you’re picking up might be your indignation, bro?

            • Corky

               /  24th May 2020

              She’s a big girl who believes hobbies is Laugh Central. Maybe it is…and my indignation blinds me to that reality.🤔

              I personally would have gone with ‘hemmed.” More of a challenge.

            • Gezza

               /  24th May 2020

              I personally would have gone with ‘hemmed.”

              Well you might have, but probably would’ve caused puzzled looks and some head-scratching.

              More of a challenge.

              For what ? A hobby, pl hobbies, is an excellent pun. Your use of your fave “hobbies” for hobnailed boots just created an opportunity for a bit of witty repartee.

            • Corky

               /  24th May 2020

              OK.

            • Corky

               /  24th May 2020

              Not again. There be hoodoo in the wires, man!

              My post has posted as from Gezza.

            • Gezza

               /  24th May 2020

              PG? is Gezza now one allowed ID for Corky’s email addy? Can it be cancelled ?
              Weird that it hasn’t happened with anyone else that I’ve ever seen.

            • It was another comment that went to moderation with Corky’s email address (I didn’t notice that initially) but your gravatar URL and name. Next time it happens I’ll have a closer look before releasing it, I know what to look out for now.

    • Gezza

       /  24th May 2020

      So, we’re at level 2.1 now tho, NOEL. Movement is possible again.

      What’s your point? Covid-19 targets Maori specifically? Why aren’t all iwi closing roads?

      Maori make up a high proportion of residents of some main city suburbs & other areas of the country. We should get them to close all roads where they live?

      What?

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  4. NOEL

     /  24th May 2020

    Chill

    and a touch of acupuncture.

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    • Gezza

       /  24th May 2020

      Still no clearer what your point was. Do you KNOW what your point was?

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  5. NOEL

     /  24th May 2020

    Chill

    and add a touch of acupuncture.

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  6. NOEL

     /  24th May 2020

    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Cultural Mumbo Jumbo. Yah have to see the irony?

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  7. artcroft

     /  24th May 2020

    Open the dam road- its public land.

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  8. Corky

     /  24th May 2020

    Nothing to see here, folks. I explained that situation weeks ago. That a police officer was present should send shivers down your spine. And to think Winston is protesting China’s proposed intervention in Hong Kong.

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    • You think you explained it, you mean.

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      • Corky

         /  24th May 2020

        No, I did explain it in very simple terms. You just don’t have the street sense, or intellectual ability to extrapolate what a police officer standing by while thugs block a public road, foretells about future events in this country.

        Instead of your continuous stream of inane comments…let’s here your take on this issue.

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        • It was discussed at length, I have no intention of starting it again.

          Intellectual ability ? One needs a certain amount of that to gain an MA (Hons), so your statement is nonsense. What is your highest educational attainment ? How many languages have you learned ? One (and that imperfectly) ? (…let’s HERE your take…

          There have been blocked roads before, which you have obviously forgotten.

          Yes, if you ‘explained’ it, it would have been in VERY simple terms, I fear. Simplistic would be a better word.

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          • Corky

             /  24th May 2020

            Yes, we have heard your story a million times. Languages…honours.. education.
            Then you, as always, compare your intellectualism with my lack of education. Well, it’s true, my education is very mediocre. However, in the raw intelligence stakes, it’s you who’s the mediocrity. Your posts expose your limitations. And those limitations are easily manipulated. Here’s an example:

            ”One (and that imperfectly) ? (…let’s HERE your take…”

            Anyway, I must point you back to my original question. One you have tried to deflect:

            ”Instead of your continuous stream of inane comments…let’s here your take on this issue?”

            Past – Present – Future?

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            • Don’t be ridiculous. An unintelligent person wouldn’t have a chance of getting an MA Hons (1st Class) Or being accepted for Mastermind.

              You have to put this down because there’s not the slightest chance of your getting any sort of degree. Having a small command of cliches isn’t a qualification.

  9. Alan Wilkinson

     /  24th May 2020

    A bunch of thick pricks. Stop giving them money.

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  10. duperez

     /  24th May 2020

    If I get my brother and sister to along with me phone an MP about an issue, the MP can legitimately say they have had been ‘contacted by numerous people.’ I have seen other occasions where Matt King has used the expression.

    Cape Reinga can be a very spiritual place, a place for contemplation. It’s a lovely drive to take when you want to contemplate sad poll results. Losing to Winston might be the end of the road. It’s a bit of a bugger when you take the drive knowing there’s a road block and the video you take might unfortunately end up in the media.

    Getting publicity as a crusader for the people? That can’t be bad can it? The region is in Tai Tokerau and the local Maori voters will largely be on that roll. No need to ingratiate oneself to those locals when there is far more profit to be had elsewhere. Anyway, a good opportunity to get out in the sun after the lockdown and get a bit of colour onto the neck.

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    • Gezza

       /  24th May 2020

      What do you make of the need to “spiritually cleanse” it becos of the dead spirits who’ll be all be passing that way before kicking off from the point into the wild blue yonder? How come it needs to be spiritually cleansed now? Do you think it should be closed off & spiritually cleansed every time someone dies? Be the end of travel up to visit there, wouldn’t it?

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      • duperez

         /  24th May 2020

        I don’t know. Quite a few people do things (often on Sundays) that others call ‘mumbo jumbo.’
        Cultural and spiritual customs around death, burial and farewelling are universal too. What is seen as normal and essential by some is seen as bizarre by others.

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        • Gezza

           /  24th May 2020

          Let me make it easier for you to work out. Do you believe access to Cape Reinga should be closed off by Ngati Kuri from everybody else whenever:

          somebody in NZ dies?
          or
          somebody Maori in NZ dies?

          Shane Jones, who’s tangata whenua credentials are good, says no. It’s bullshit. I agree with him. Which doesn’t happen all that often.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  24th May 2020

      Take a trip to SA to see where this goes, dups. Roadblocks, stoning and burning trucks, burning down schools (65+ this year). Poverty, illiteracy, killings, corruption no hope.

      We should let this happen?

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      • duperez

         /  24th May 2020

        I get what you mean. And that’s the sort of seed that Matt King would want planted in people’s heads.

        Saying that roadblock is a harbinger of stoning and burning trucks, burning down schools, poverty, illiteracy, killings, corruption and no hope?

        You know the social stats for that part of New Zealand are not good. That’s not new. Maybe disenchantment and feelings of alienation grow in such circumstances. And even stroppy actions like roadblocks.

        The northernmost electorate MPs since 1943 except for Vern Cracknell’s one term in the ’60s and Peters’ stint after the 2015 by-election, have been from Matt King’s party. The majority of that time it has been the governing party.

        Do situations like this latest one arise because of or in spite of the stewardship over years?
        (In asking that I acknowledge the seeming impossibility of getting leaders of Tai Tokerau on the same page.)

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  24th May 2020

          Political leadership of Maori is deposited in the Labour Party. Presumably this incompetent and destructive bollocks should be sheeted home there?

          You are aware of course that the Maori roll does not vote for National and Mart King does not represent them, nor is he the Government.

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          • duperez

             /  24th May 2020

            Who has pulled the strings for Ngāpuhi down the years? Politicians of the Labour Party? Or other Maori leaders?

            Of course I realise the Maori roll does not vote for National candidates because they don’t put them up. I do know is he isn’t in Government. It’s obvious he’s desperate. The best thing that could have happened for him is Muller getting the job.

            As far as not ‘representing them’? One would have thought that he’s duty bound to represent all the constituents of Northland. If I needed his help I wouldn’t expect him to ask me if I voted for him and on hearing I didn’t, telling me to bugger off. You can imagine him wanting to though can’t you?

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  25th May 2020

              Evasion. Labour owns this mess. No sign of them dealing with it.

            • duperez

               /  25th May 2020

              Matt King is on a publicity stunts bender. The evasion is ignoring the how and why of behaviour up North

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  25th May 2020

              That’s exactly what you are ignoring – Labour’s responsibility and disinclination to do anything about it – which Matt King is exploiting. Suck it up.

  11. Gezza

     /  24th May 2020

    @PG

    PS: I liked your having a go at “pussyfoot”. Puihi is a vaild transliteration for pussycat; but if you’re interested & you ever want to use a genuine Maori verb for “pussy foot” again – here are some choices:

    https://maoridictionary.co.nz/search?idiom=&phrase=&proverb=&loan=&histLoanWords=&keywords=vacillate

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  12. PartisanZ

     /  25th May 2020

    Matt King MP, aka ‘The Okaihau Village Dullard’, just loves to generate this sort of publicity. What basically can only be described as *SHIT* publicity. Publarceny* or something?

    He’s already done climate-change denial by copy-and-paste from Muriel Newman’s NZCPR site – with its “Daughter Slaughter” associations to the maggots at KiwiFrontLine – and she in turn copied-and-pasteed direct from NRA HQ in the US … FFS! “Come in Pauline Hanson, are you there!?” King’s every media utterance reels in unforeseen backlash and confirms the bias only of the morally and ethically bankrupt.

    King-Matt, aka Ding-Matt, knew full well the kaiwaha rahui was in place to protect the distant, remote, tiny and deprived, almost entirely hapu-iwi Maori communities of Te Aupouri in HIS OWN electorate. If he knows individually which of the resident tangata whenua are on the General or Maori Rolls I might ask: How? Should he know this? Why? They’re all people aren’t they Matt?

    These are nga kainga full of mostly elderly people and tamariki mokopuna, who are 4 hours away from Kaitaia Hospital by ambulance if you count the ambulance taking 1.5 hours to get there from Kaitaia.

    Anyone on here actually LIVE in a place like Te Kao? Matt will have offended some people who voted National last time, rest assured. The Far North is very Catholic Catholic Party (CCP!) and that loyalty surpasses nearly all else in some cases. There are people living in rough sheds who vote National for only this reason. Or there WERE! He’ll have risked that for sure.

    He didn’t need to go there with his folks during Level 3 LockDown … I mean FFS!!! What sort of example is that for an MP to set?

    He could support the Maori people who reside in the Northland Seat he holds by a thread using Billboards that pollute the landscape, interminable ads in every newspaper, “transport” lift-outs and whole New Blue Front-and-Back pages. (They have no idea how this backfires on them. The Independent Fourth Estate? … Yeah, RIGHT! “National must own these papers dear! They dominate them so in composition and in content both.”)

    But he doesn’t support his people, which means he doesn’t believe in One People after all, does he? He constantly derides them to appease his cronie capitalist mates sprinkled across the farmland and local government by polarizing (bipolarizing?) the issue along racial lines – in perpetual Opposition, as always, to what the government is doing, even in their as Te Karauna, the Crown I have no doubt he says he supports. Whether that’s possible along with being a CCP Franchise Agent I don’t know any longer? Anyone care to comment?

    Unlike Dame Whina knowing full well she would be greeted in Wellington by Bill Rowling (or someone) holding The Treaty of Waitangi Act (or whatever its called) in 1975, Matt King’s little Sunday drive with the family was a “how low can you stoop” publicity stunt.

    “How low can you stoop” is National’s MO.

    Te Kaiwaha Rahui (my name for the “Checkpoints”) are a very rare manifestation of Te Tiriti o Waitangi functioning as it should. (As it did when Governor Fitzroy found in favor of Te Rauparaha and Te Rangihaeata over “The Wairau Affray”). Simple Te Tiriti process: Hapu-iwi Maori exercise te tino rangatiratanga granted them BY RIGHT under Article Two. Te Karauna consults – as partners in a relationship do – and they decide to support each other on this critical occasion. (Not the only Te Tiriti process obviously).

    Where Te Karauna failed its own “Settler” people miserably – Tangata Tiriti, Ngati Pakeha o Tiriti o Waitangi – over and over again at Parihaka, Maungapohatu and Bastion Point (and other places) – loading us with more unnecessary Colonial Grief and unwanted racial ‘division’ – here we have a similar thing, in time of crisis for all, but not all the same crisis exactly, aka racial and cultural difference, being sanctioned by the government on behalf of Te Karauna.

    This is like State-sanctioned Parihaka!!! It’s extraordinarily and exquisitely wonderful and beautiful! “So, there’s a road in the way? So?” This is the fulfillment and consequence of Rua Kenana’s Pardon at the end of last year. Just in time, as to speak. JUSTICE in time!

    It happened entirely outside the Treaty Settlements process I believe? A matter of English Law justice. I knew it had set a most impressive precedent. Law & Lore combine. Another False Dichotomy is ONED! But to come to fruition so soon in such extraordinary circumstances – where the protagonists* KNOW their actions will save whanau-hapu-iwi lives – kaumatua & kuia – tamariki me nga mokopuna – here is a kind of cultural magnificence almost beyond compare.

    I predict it shall soon become commonplace. There is no turning back now. Shall we have another Bastion Point? I won’t be staying home if we do. (183 Police personnel resigned after that shameful day, and things have PC’d quite a bit since then, even for Pirihimana.). People, real human beings that is, will finally “have the moral strength to withhold their collaboration”.

    It’s no wonder *Fortocracy* Pakeha like Matt and most of you on here are running scared and making for the Re-doubt! You have good cause to re-doubt your position. Cause to fear for the *Fort* itself. The *Fort* long ago dismantled and made irrelevant except in its maintenance by the paranoid psyches of institutional, casual, everyday and residual racists.

    Load those muskets men … Old Right White Men … The natives are revolting … Boys reload. Women and children prepare food for a siege.

    Well their not revolting! The natives – tangata whenua – are doing what they agreed to do by Treaty.

    King might very well lose more votes than he’s gained in this publarceny stunt, depending on the levels of Critical & Appreciative Thinking (CAT) in the Northland mindscape? Especially all the artists, who very often WorkLive in that inter-conscious creative space where ethics roams free-range, with no natural predators.

    As for Shane “kupapa” Jones, if he thinks he can slight all the people of Northland just because he’s giving out putea to some of them I think he’s got another thing coming. Between the Ding-Matt and Uncle Tom’s Mammon, Willow-Jean Prime is starting to look like she might take the Pakeha seat …

    And Pete, what the fuck does “puihi footing” around mean? Is that “pu ihi” meaning pu urine? Pu doesn’t seem to be a te reo syllable at all? Pukana? It must be? Is this kinda like a “piss on your own feet” insult or something? I can’t get a translation of that anywhere. “Pussy” is topanga?

    *Publarceny = new word #472

    *protagonists? Ae enei, make no mistake, he tangata rahui are the heroes of this narrative, one Pakeha cannot control (Ani Mikaere comes to mind): Not by foul means or fouler. Matt King is the villain here, of this there can be no doubt. He, and by association indisputably his National Party, are not supporting he tangata, he tangata, he tangata, or even their own Crown’s actions. The consequence of the dominant narrative being disrupted by ComradeCovid#19’s bizarre ‘event horizon’. Mother Nature dictates “STOP this madness!”

    Ψ PartisanZ Ψ “An Ethical World or I DISSENT!”

    Tena koutou katoa (It’s only “Freedom of Speech”, you know?)

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  25th May 2020

      Maybe read before you rant, PZ. This is happening on level 2 not 3. There is no risk from visitors unless the locals create one.

      And even if Labour did take the seat they would do as little for the locals as they have already done with all the Maori seats.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  25th May 2020

        Alan, fair enough calling my mistake on Levels there. You’ve scored a tiny hit in a battle you’ve already lost.

        The exact precise ‘Level’ changes nothing! Tangata Whenua once again have the support of Te Karauna, correct?

        They continued to act, the Crown re-consulted, as it must BY RIGHT, and “together as two” they agreed to continue. Te Tiriti o Waitangi functions beautifully in action, does it not? Perfectly?

        Rere Tiriti … The Flying Treaty 😆 🤔 😎 Soar my Treaty, soar !!! Arise …

        And by-the-bye, NO-ONE, bar NO-ONE, can ever claim to, or will ever, have done as little for Northland as John Carter … even bringing shame upon his own people in a talkback radio ‘trick call’ gone awry.

        🤣🤨😂 “Creative” by comparison to anything Matt King has done or could do.

        Hardly praise though, is it? “You don’t even make Complete Dick Matt.”

        nga mihi mo te whakarongo ki aku korero

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        • Duker

           /  25th May 2020

          PZ , ask them about when National party MPs do ‘illegal stuff’ when they drive tractors up the steps of parliament, to the cheers of their colleagues
          Following the laws is just a when it suits us call
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          • Gezza

             /  25th May 2020

            When National Party members drive tractors up the steps of Parliament, they get get charged with disorderly conduct by the police.

            When Labour Party members do it, they get off scot-free.

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          • Gezza

             /  25th May 2020

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          • Gezza

             /  25th May 2020

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            • PartisanZ

               /  25th May 2020

              Most excellent and totally expected false equivalence Duker & Gezza.

              My Heritage Oranges compared to your Rotten Apples. What “Labour Members”? What are yous talking about?

              The Kaiwaha Rahui weren’t a protest against anything, not really, except incidentally against lack of action by the government to protect isolated, vulnerable hapu-iwi communities.

              When the government representing Te Karauna did engage they agreed with the Rahui. Pirihimana partnered with the Rahui personnel in some places.

              How could they not? It’s simply the exercise of tino rangatiratanga under Article Two of Te Tiriti o Waitangi.

              The Kaiwaha Rahui people are heroes of LockDown every bit as much as any other “essential workers”.

            • Gezza

               /  25th May 2020

              Me? Not making an equivalence statement, Parti.

              Responding to a whatabout squirrel.

              One’s a tractor with a Labour MP at the wheel. The first one to naughtily drive a tractor up the steps of Parliament.

              The other’s an overconfident high flyer crashing & burning after not googling properly before throwing a whatabout squib.

    • PartisanZ

       /  25th May 2020

      Aotearoa New ZeaLand never has and never will be One People, “Together as One”.

      Its a logical AND intuitive fallacy. More than one thing can’t come together as one thing.

      At our VERY VERY BEST we shall be “Together as Two” AND “Together as Many”

      Bicultural AND Multi-Ethnic.

      One might rightfully ask: “What prevents this from happening?”

      And one might justifiably and evidentially answer in plain truth: THE NATIONAL PARTY.

      The *Fortocracy* – The Legion of Frontiersmen …

      NATIONAL and ACT – The NACTs – and NewCons and NZFirst, NZ Outdoors, AdvanceNZ and most of the others – The Judeo-Christian Arch-Conservative Centre-Right-Alt-Right-Far-Right Neo-Colonial Neoliberals … Catholic Catholic Party … (CCP translates here as “Universal” Catholic Party, or Universal Christian Party, or Universal Church Party or “BroadChurch” … or Broadmoor?)

      https://teara.govt.nz/en/catholic-church/page-3

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  25th May 2020

        Good God, PZ, the lockdown has sent you over the edge.

        Time to leave fantasy behind and start doing something real.

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        • PartisanZ

           /  25th May 2020

          kaore koe e tika ki te whakahe i taku wairua, te hinengaro hinengaro, ki to tinana

          You have no right to pass judgement on my spirit, my mental health or my body

          This is not what we’re discussing. We’re discussing the ethics of Kaiwaha Rahui. An honourable thing. And Matt King’s and Shane Jones’s dishonourable actions towards them.

          You’re aspersions upon me are dishonourable too. As is your claim to know what’s “real”. Everything I do is real. I do my Life’s Work.

          So I can argue I don’t live in a fantasyland, that you do, and call it “in reality” but I think it’s HollyWorld … a narrative you’ve constructed which is irreconcilable with Natural Ethics … Where the heroes are villains and the villains are vilified heroes.

          It’s an illness every bit as real as ComradeCovid#19 Alan, called Wetiko Disease

          https://www.kosmosjournal.org/article/seeing-wetiko-on-capitalism-mind-viruses-and-antidotes-for-a-world-in-transition/

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  25th May 2020

            I call it as I see it, PZ. You are free to use it or lose it.

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            • PartisanZ

               /  25th May 2020

              Use WHAT!? Your “wisdom”?

              So you have nothing to contribute to the content-base. Okay …

          • Corky

             /  25th May 2020

            Damn..you are back with a bang, Parti. And Maorified, too. To be fair…apart from Alan and I…who isn’t?

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            • PartisanZ

               /  25th May 2020

              Massive contribution to the discussion there Corky.

            • Corky

               /  25th May 2020

              Point taken. I withdraw and depart.

    • Gezza

       /  25th May 2020

      And Pete, what the fuck does “puihi footing” around mean? Is that “pu ihi” meaning pu urine? Pu doesn’t seem to be a te reo syllable at all? Pukana? It must be? Is this kinda like a “piss on your own feet” insult or something? I can’t get a translation of that anywhere. “Pussy” is topanga?
      … … … …
      puihi
      1. (loan) (noun) cat, pussy, Felis catus.

      He pai ake te kurī i te puihi, he moe noa iho te mahi a te puihi (PK 2008:698). / A dog is preferable to a cat as all a cat does is sleep.

      https://maoridictionary.co.nz/search?idiom=&phrase=&proverb=&loan=&histLoanWords=&keywords=puihi

      Scroll down.
      … … … …

      It’s an obvious and clearly a Maori transliteration of pussy, for pussycat – just to head off any smutty connotations.

      Are you banning Maori from using transliterations now, on behalf of Northern Maori, Parti? By whose fiat?

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