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  1. Gezza

     /  26th May 2020

    “The Government’s announcement that it will introduce a new payment of up to $490 a week for people who lose work because of Covid-19 will be welcome to the thousands of people expected to find themselves out of a job in the coming months.”

    Posted: https://yournz.org/2020/05/26/big-boost-to-covid-unemployment-benefit/

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    • Gezza

       /  26th May 2020

      Muller also said in that 1News item that the focus should be on businesses and how to keep them afloat to keep people in jobs. Newshub’s picked it up too:

      “We support supporting New Zealanders in a moment of significant need, but our concern with that announcement is it’s ill-defined and ill-directed,” he said on Monday during a press conference.

      “What would’ve been better is a stronger focus on businesses to keep them in business… When we build together our economic plan, our focus will be on what do those small businesses actually need to be able to stay afloat. And I think that’s where the focus should be.”

      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/05/todd-muller-slams-government-s-income-relief-payments-as-ill-defined-and-ill-directed.html

      Suspect PG will post on this.

      Yes – https://yournz.org/2020/05/26/big-boost-to-covid-unemployment-benefit/

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    • David

       /  26th May 2020

      Lots of things being done primarily to get Ardern re elected with the economy a secondary concern.
      Be nice to see some effort made to help businesses who give these people jobs in the form of a much better designed probationary wage before hitting the minimum wage perhaps. Maybe a less stringent 90 day trial period. Some more RMA reform and fast tracked consenting expanded to the private sector.
      There seems little thought beyond blowing out the debt.

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      • Gezza

         /  26th May 2020

        Because I haven’t had to wrestle with these behemoths I don’t understand if or how the Building Code & RMA interrelate? Do they?

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        • David

           /  26th May 2020

          Lets say you have an older building and you could expand with a refrurb and an extension, spend a bit and modernize etc. then you have to bring your building up to earthquake standards, move to the latest fire regs, put in a disabled access toilet, some councils insist on a shower for the bicyclists.
          In normal times perhaps you could justify it but suspending some of this would have many business owners champing at the bit. I have friends who specialize in buying great buildings really cheaply because its too arduous for the existing businesses to go through a pretty complicated and costly process so they just shut and retire.
          Its often not so much the cost of updating fire systems its the hideous cost of the fire engineers and their interaction with council as they insist on gold plated everything because someone else is paying.

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          • Gezza

             /  26th May 2020

            So it’s the RMA – or councils utilising it – that mandates these “extras”?

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            • Griff.

               /  26th May 2020

              Fire hazard reduction has nothing to do with the RMA .
              It is under the building code.
              Yes fire regulation is captured by people that have a single issue mindset so ignore the finical ramifications of their gold plated solutions.
              When we went for building consent here we were required to have 40,000 l of dedicated to fire fighting tank water including a fire dept compatible outlet this cost us well over $7,000 to comply with. Our farm pond is only a few meters over the maximum distance they allowed for and it contains over 400,000 liters.
              Multiply that $7,000 by tens of thousands of households and the cost soon becomes far more than buying a few extra tanker trucks and or pumps for the fire service .
              Sanity prevailed.
              Since then the local council has reexamined the regulations and no longer require such costly solutions to fire risk .

            • David

               /  26th May 2020

              Never said anywhere that fire hazard was an RMA thing.
              I guess you had to pay thousands in consultants fees or thousands in your own hours to not have to do something so the council can cover its butt.
              I get sick of paying $660 to the council for an exemption, they call it cost recovery but when 30% of council staff make over 100k a year and they work in 6 star building with enormous rent its a lot of cost to cover and no incentive to be less costly.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  26th May 2020

              Yep, the Fire Service is another glorious quango full of incompetent bureaucratic arseholes with power and no responsibility for costs.

            • Griff.

               /  26th May 2020

              Building code is not from council they have have no choice but to comply with its rules .
              Who makes the rules? Theoretically MBIE but it is mostly BRANZ who actually make the rules.
              The same industry organisation that should be held legally responsible for the entire cluster fuck that was leaky homes instead of lumping the costs on rate payers .

              It is industry capture of regulation that you should be ranting about not those who are forced to enforce industry created and protecting rules .

              BRANZ and Standards New Zealand charge like wounded bulls to access the rules they make you comply with.
              The entire Building code and NZ specifications referred to should be 100% free to all . As long as you comply to the standards and get it inspected there should be no restrictions on who does work. Instead BRANZ and MBIE hand trades a monopoly so they can rip us off .
              For instance.
              Joining plastic pipe is not a trade level skill Paint on cleaner then solvent push pipe home …..Yet you must pay a drainlayer or plumber $100 an hour for this monkey level job .
              Plumbers regularly charge you a 400%mark up on the goods they use .
              6m 100mm sewage pipe is less than $30 a length trade and plumbers are screwing the public for about $120. They should only be making on their hourly rate not ripping every one off with the huge mark ups the entire monopoly industry is built around .

            • David

               /  26th May 2020

              Couldnt agree more Griff.

            • Pink David

               /  26th May 2020

              Best post Griff has ever made.

            • Gezza

               /  26th May 2020

              Yep. And I claim credit for the 1st upvote. (Feeling competitive today.)

        • David

           /  26th May 2020

          The RMA should be suspended totally in urban areas, most of the breaches and fines from regional councils are for city councils breaching something or other.
          You need something for pollution and water discharge etc. but something simpler and more suited to what we are which is a small country with a tiny population that grows protein.

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          • Duker

             /  26th May 2020

            Not possible as it contains the background to District Plans.
            often the objectors to a business application for resource (actually planning) consent are competing businesses.
            Oil companies, supermarkets, shopping malls are all active in opposing a consent for competitors.

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  2. David

     /  26th May 2020

    While we have been distracted by the grossly sexist Green list the Labour Party are busy recruiting yet more trade unionist with Angela Roberts now popping up as a candidate.
    With Ardern largely untouchable, thank you media mother hens, there are some rich pickings as Labour are looking more like the CTUs political wing and NZ a Union movement with a country attached.
    All very well having a diversified list but what is the point if there is no diversity of thought or opinion. Labour should try harder to attract talent for its own sake, Ardern isnt going to be there forever and they are currently struggling with a pretty awful caucus and cabinet outside the top 2.

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    • duperez

       /  26th May 2020

      While we have been distracted by the Labour party busy recruiting trade unionists the grossly racist National party front bench has been named.

      What is the point if there is no diversity of thought and opinion?

      Just saying. And in saying, immediately there would be competition for the ‘Post of the Day.’

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      • David

         /  26th May 2020

        Nikki and Todd are very different. National have accountants, political.people, rural, urban, overseas private and public sector backgrounds through the whole caucus.

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        • duperez

           /  26th May 2020

          I realise that. And with the depth and richness of that diversity it’s the NZ Europeans who’ve made their way to the top.
          Meanwhile over the other side they’re all trade unionists. And yet they’re out recruiting even more of the same to stand in September.

          Maybe Todd could exponentially expand their base by getting someone from the Taxpayers Union to stand. Hell, a gimme seat like Botany would’ve been a good one.

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        • Duker

           /  26th May 2020

          Nikki is none of those, shes a party cadre like Bishop, Willis and to some extent Muller as well – often with some secondments as government lobbyists in ‘a business’
          Out of interest how many labour Mps you say are ‘trade unionist’

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          • duperez

             /  26th May 2020

            Aren’t they all? It’s an easy thing to say and it’s an easy thing for those like Farrar to imply. So must be true. Very easy then for simpletons to build into their garbage repertoire.

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  3. lurcher1948

     /  26th May 2020

    From what I see Mullar has lost the Maori vote,and being an old looking conservative catholic voting against female issues, a large proportion of the female vote,3 steps back 1 forward.

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    • Gezza

       /  26th May 2020

      Maybe, but you’re assuming most women have a liberal mindset. And that’s not necessarily the case. There’s a range of female views, & Nikki’s a liberal on some controversial issues I gather.

      Also, as PG notes:
      Notable is that positions two to four are women, his deputy Nikki Kaye, Amy Adams who has changed her mind about quitting politics this year, and the formidable Judith Collins who has challenged for the leadership herself in the past.

      So now three of the top four National MPs are women, four of the top eight, and seven of the top sixteen, female MPs have become a significant part of the National caucus.

      https://yournz.org/2020/05/26/mullers-reshuffle-of-national-caucus/

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      • Duker

         /  26th May 2020

        Pumping Mullers pillows….. just as expected from a [deleted]

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        • Gezza

           /  26th May 2020

          Deleted? Glad I missed that. Not another flamin bullshit ad hom assertion I hope. Why can’t you grow up & cut out pretending to know & telling me what my politics are. You have no idea. You don’t seem able to even grasp the concept of politically neutral.

          And this is not The Standard. There’s a different vibe here.

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    • Corky

       /  26th May 2020

      I assume they are there because they bring something to the table, and not because of some gender or racial quota. National tried that nonsense a while back with Hekia Parata. Didn’t work out well. Maori woman have a propensity for bullying.

      Just heard Peter Williams say something like: ” it seems a crime to be pakeha nowdays.”

      And apparently Laila Harre has said something along the lines that the new National lineup looks like they have all been sprayed from the same white spray can.

      Did take long,eh, Lurchy? The feral racist Left.

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    • Gerrit

       /  26th May 2020

      Cant lose something you never had. Maori vote has only ever gone to Labour or the Maori Party. Maori Party had an agreement with National but the Maori vote was through the Maori Party never directly with National.

      With 30% of the Labour electoral seats being in Maori only electorates, the Maori vote is ever only going one way away from Labour. The way is certainly not to National so no loss to National.

      The Maori vote could become a burden for Labour as 30% of their electorate vote is from Maori but Maori only are 15% of the voting public.

      If the Maori vote goes to the Maori party, Labour needs the Maori party greater than they need Peters support.

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  4. duperez

     /  26th May 2020

    While we have been distracted by the Labour party busy recruiting trade unionists the grossly racist National party front bench has been named.

    What is the point if there is no diversity of thought and opinion?

    Just saying. And in saying, immediately there would be competition for the ‘Post of the Day.’

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    • David

       /  26th May 2020

      Diversity should be more than ones chromosomes and melatonin levels.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  26th May 2020

        Is there any diversity in Labour’s Maori MPs?

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  5. Conspiratoor

     /  26th May 2020

    How consistent are the guidelines for reporting covid deaths within nz, and elsewhere in the world?

    90+ year old admitted to dhb with covid. Discharged a few weeks later and dies within days. Cause of death not recorded as covid

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    • Gezza

       /  26th May 2020

      That’s one of the reasons I don’t pay much attention to the statistical arguments here, Con. It’s clear there are multitude of factors that make comparisions with other countries unreliable, including country demographics. Unless & until everybody is reporting on all the same factors with specific agreed criteria the arguments will continue.

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      • Duker

         /  26th May 2020

        Some are clearly using Trumpidemiology, but use false data that the US daily infection rate is falling quickly when its been a plateau (20k new per per day)for some weeks.

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      • It seems to me that anyone who dies WITH it is reported as dying OF it. They can have heart failure, cancer, emphysema or hypertension or several of these, be 90+ and are still reported as dying of covid.

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        • Duker

           /  26th May 2020

          Works the other way was well, die at home and had covid but not tested then it wont be as covid related. The killer part is mostly pneumonia which comes as a consequence of flu and covid19
          The Doctors are saying the Flu season in NZ is already well down, and because of social distancing and the lockdown, restricted travel etc will save a few hundred lives over the whole winter flu season

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          • Gezza

             /  26th May 2020

            Ma’s death certificate lists two causes. One of them is straight out wrong. But not worth doing anything about. She’s dead & it doesn’t matter.

            Dad’s death certicate listed multiple causes too.

            If this is done overseas as well then Covid-19 I guess may be counted where it gets mentioned.

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            • Corky

               /  26th May 2020

              I have yet to see an accurate death certificate. Babies dying shortly after being given vaccinations and not autopsied to see if encephalitis of the brain was present is a classic example of negligent medical practice resulting in the cause of death POSSIBLY being misrepresented.

          • How many death certificates have you seen ? How many babies dying soon after being vaccinated ? If encephalitis was the cause, it would be obvious.

            I think it’s irresponsible to give covid as a cause unless it’s a certainty. The last thing we want or need is larger numbers which aren’t accurate.

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            • Corky

               /  26th May 2020

              ”How many death certificates have you seen.”

              Sadly, way more than a person should have to.

            • That is not an answer.

            • And if you’re not a doctor, you wouldn’t know if they were ALL inaccurate.

              Encephalitis could hardly go unnoticed, look it up.

            • duperez

               /  26th May 2020

              “That is not an answer” would go down well with that White House press Secretary McEnutty or whatever her name is. 😊

  6. Duker

     /  26th May 2020

    So Nikki Kaye claimed Goldsmith as maori…….even Paula let out a squeal of surprise at that one. Even Goldsmith was surprised.
    Me thinks they will continue to stumble. Kaye isnt a sharp as she thinks she is. She only got the Education job as shes a woman- ( they have a highly qualified former principal as an Mp) being a party cadre doesnt qualify you for knowing anything about the education sector

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    • Gezza

       /  26th May 2020

      Yes, she’s stumbling a bit early on. In that interview in-corridor where she said Goldsmith’s Maori, she’s obviously not yet relaxed & comfortable speaking when as the number 2.

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      • Duker

         /  26th May 2020

        Yep, promoted on being Mullers deputy from central casting. Identity politics, as until Bennett National never had the male/female leadership duo…conincidence ?
        . Other partys work from the same consultants playbook

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        • Gezza

           /  26th May 2020

          Question Time coming up in a few minutes. Might watch it live.

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      • Gezza

         /  26th May 2020

        But nevertheless:

        Following her re-election in 2011, Nikki held the role of Chair of the Education and Science select committee where one of her achievements included leading a parliamentary inquiry into Digital literacy and 21st-century learning environments successfully ensuring almost all recommendations were adopted by the National Government in 2012.
        And
        In November 2014, Nikki was given responsibility for Ministerial portfolios of ACC, Civil Defence and Youth Affairs and Associate Minister of Education with responsibility for school infrastructure. Some of her achievements during her time included progressing the largest ever capital upgrade of school infrastructure, helping ensure schools were connected to fast uncapped internet connections…

        So she’s now had time to get a good grounding in the Education portfolio.

        It’s not always necessary to have a background in a Cabinet portfolio or spokesperson role, as long as the individual concerned is smart & knows how to find out about the area & get familiar with it. Incoming Ministers all get BIMs & can take it from there. The good ones ask questions of their officials, request briefings & thoroughly read departmental papers & submissions of interest.

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  26th May 2020

    Gezza im a ZULU warrior,im anything National says i am…to win the election

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    • Gezza

       /  26th May 2020

      But you’re not. At least Paul Goldsmith said he wasn’t Maori. Not like he was anything Nikki wanted him to be to win the election. Very embarassing for her tho. Must do better. Can’t just misunderstand what you hear & wing it.

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    • Corky

       /  26th May 2020

      No, Lurchy. You are a menace on a scooter. The nearest you have come to being Zulu warrior is when you cleaned your chimney and terrified the neighbours who saw a dark shadow coming towards them with huge chompers.

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  8. Corky

     /  26th May 2020

    Listened to some talkback and felt a little guilty. I went to the supermarket and saw a 2kg plastic bag of shoestring chips. At the time I thought it was strange, a phrase I saw on the bag – Frites Allumettes. Get home, have a good look, the product was from France. Turn on the radio and some dude representing NZ spuds growers said 150 Kiwis could be out of a job thanks to people like me eating foreign product. I felt really bad until I tasted the chips ‘I’d’ deep fried in organic coconut oil mixed with lard. Damn these Europeans grow a good spud.

    In other talkback news. Winston gave Peter Williams a hard time. Winston said he had been assured by the police the Northland road block was gone. Not true. Winston will now take the matter up with the Police Commissioner. I don’t know why. The buck stops with the commissioner, who should be sacked in my opinion for not doing his job. Has there been political pressure applied to him?

    I see Paul Goldsmith is/isn’t a bro? But worse, and as I predicted, Muller is a wimp. He will not be displaying is Maga caps. That was an issue he could have made a clear statemented on..he could have told liberal woswers to fugg off. Of course, he needs middle ground votes, or mush as I call it. Middle ground equals mediocrity. Mediocrity is something we can ill afford at the moment.

    Time for Luxton to start planning

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    • Gezza

       /  26th May 2020

      Drat. Reply went below.

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    • Duker

       /  26th May 2020

      Isnt the peninsula around Cape Reinga The DoC owned Te Paki Recreation Reserve.
      I was looking up FNDC mapping and it seems the legal road ends before the actual road which extends to the Carpark not far from the lighthouse.
      Its not clear where the ‘gate’ was that the locals were using to prevent further acess.
      Apart from that I think the long term game plan is to establish local hapu ownership/control so they can charge a toll as it used to have a lot of visitors

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      • Gezza

         /  26th May 2020

        Well if it turns out they own the actual final access road, and they want to charge admission to a tourist magnet site, I’ve got no problem with that. Non-locals pay more to visit the Waitangi Treaty Grounds. Local Pakeha AND Maori are charged less, which I was perfectly ok with.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  26th May 2020

          If they own the final access road, why did the taxpayer pay to build it and all the facilities?

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          • Duker

             /  26th May 2020

            DOC reserve in ‘partnership’ with Tangata Whenua or something like that.
            Just because its DOC land doesnt give any ‘rights’ to Mr & Mrs Tourist

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  26th May 2020

              DoC land is public land. I know the bureaucrats act as though they own it but they don’t.

          • Gezza

             /  26th May 2020

            If they own the final access road, why did the taxpayer pay to build it and all the facilities?

            Presumably to encourage Kiwi & foreign tourists to visit it. And ensure ease of access for maintenance, building etc. No reason it can’t be a win-win. If access is priced too high they’ll get reduced income. I don’t think its fair to complain Maori hapu iwi don’t do anything to earn their own way & rely on too much on “handouts” when, if they actually own an asset, they can legally financially exploit it the same way any other asset-owner can.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  26th May 2020

              If the taxpayer builds the access and facilities then s/he is entitled to use them.

            • Gezza

               /  26th May 2020

              The taxpayer didn’t. Contractors or maybe MoW did. And if Ngati Kuri want to change the arrangements they’ve had up until now, then that could be part of the deal; they pay for the upkeep & facilities. It also maybe depends what other benefits the government’s coffers and locals get from the visitor traffic. The taxpayer poured money into the America’s cup. Did the public get free access to everything? (I ask cos I dunno, I wouldn’t go up to Aucks to have a look round.)

            • Duker

               /  26th May 2020

              The taxpayers are paying an art shoppe in Paihia, what’s the rights that go with that?

  9. Gezza

     /  26th May 2020

    Interesting that the Frogs call them matchstick fries. Dunno why we call them shoestring chips. They ain’t anything like shoestrings.

    Someone needs to stir up the Police Commissioner & get him to make a clear statement they are adopting different standards for tangata whenua – and why. Once that’s done the matter can be sensibly discussed at all levels.

    Probably a good idea re the MAGA caps. Trump doesn’t appeal to every National voter, & why risk a few swing votes over a cheap tawdry red cap bauble?

    He needs to have detailed answers to WHAT would he do to help small businesses? Otherwise he’s just barking at cars; not what people want to hear. That saw both Bridges & Little off – out of the Parly Party leaders’ seats.

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    • Corky

       /  26th May 2020

      They should be in your supermarket. The importer has a huge volume to get rid of.

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      • Gezza

         /  26th May 2020

        Well I hope he does. Anyone looking to encourage reciprocal trade with NZ gets a thumbs up from me. Too much reliance on China is a recipe for trouble. Hopefully the French are loving our spuds & think they’re exotic. The upper classes are hopefully quietly appraising some of our finer wines & buying a few crates for their cellars.

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        • They’re not in Pak & Save or Countdown, although shoestrings are. What brand are they ?

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        • Corky

           /  26th May 2020

          ”Hopefully the French are loving our spuds & think they’re exotic.”

          I don’t know about that…but to my taste buds these imported chips are better all round than the standard Kiwi fare that either become hard and chunky on cooking; or go soggy.

          What about the Kiwi workers who MAY lose their jobs?

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          • Gezza

             /  26th May 2020

            The problem these days with buying spuds is finding a variety that cooks well whether boiled, baked, roasted, fried or whatever. NW has them in bags with labels that describe them as best for one or two cooking methods but not others.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  26th May 2020

              I’ve switched to the red ones after getting too many crappy glassy or bad spotted white ones.

            • Gezza

               /  26th May 2020

              Lol. Why on earth would some wanker downtick a completely inoffensive comment like that one of mine about potato varieties above? 🙄 😀

          • Gezza

             /  26th May 2020

            What about the Kiwi workers who MAY lose their jobs?

            How many Kiwi workers actually work the fields and market gardens here now? Seem to be dozens of employers saying young Kiwis won’t do this work. But trade’s a balancing act. As I say, if we’ve got product that other countries’s buyers also like, why does it follow there’ll be job losses here?

            And personally, as a matter of nationalist sentiment & desire to keep NZ employers / employees in jobs, when it comes to food I’ll generally favour NZ-grown product. I find taste-wise NZ fruit & veg the most appealing. I do like those Chilean seedless grapes tho. Can’t find a Kiwi equivalent when I go on a grape binge.

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            • Griff.

               /  26th May 2020

              Can’t find a Kiwi equivalent when I go on a grape binge.

              Plant a vine.
              Not those tasteless not actually grapes from Chile.
              I recommend Albany surprise.

              After a year or two you will be able to absolutely stuff your face on lovely tasty real grapes for two months of every year and still give plenty away to friends,relatives and your tweeting little feather buddies.
              The northland drought limited my crop this year I did not get that many good bunches.
              last year I got about ten twenty liter buckets of good quality eating grapes off one vine.

            • Duker

               /  26th May 2020

              Potatoes are machine harvested these days. I can see their point but ist just special pleading and Todd isnt to go in for bat for veggie farmers, yet Im sure he’ll bang the drum for his favourite horticulture – Kiwifruit and Avocado

            • Gezza

               /  26th May 2020

              @Griff

              Why not plant my own vine? There was one here when we moved in. It was a mess, the grapes didn’t taste nice, & the watering system the owner had put in had made all the fences it ran along green & slimy. So I got rid of it, & the watering system.

              I don’t eat enuf of them often enuf to make it worthwhile replanting a vine and as I’m not a gardening fan it would have to thrive on neglect. I’m happy enuf to buy a few clumps of grapes when I feel like having some for a while. I go on & off grapes; it depends what other fruit’s available. They got Strawberries? Plums? Forget the grapes!

          • As Mr Chips is an NZ company that only uses spuds grown in NZ, it’s all in the mind that they are better.Importing frozen chips would be senseless as we make them here in such large quantities. It would be like France importing frogs’ legs.

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            • Duker

               /  26th May 2020

              The world has changed…food especially comes from all over and hardly ever makes sense, NZ fish is sold in Europe yet they have their own fishing fleets

            • Pink David

               /  27th May 2020

              ” It would be like France importing frogs’ legs.”

              The French do import frogs legs. Almost all of them come from Indonesia. Hardly any are produced in France.

            • Pink David

               /  27th May 2020

              “and hardly ever makes sense”

              Of course it makes sense. It would not be done if it didn’t make sense.

  10. Alan Wilkinson

     /  26th May 2020

    Bob Jones makes a modest proposal:

    THE FIRST ACTION TAKEN IF I WAS A DICTATOR

    First, by a country mile, trace the screamingly wet and bound to be bearded, cowering bastard responsible for the “Be Kind” neon signs on our motorways. They’re absurdly infantile and massively insulting. I’d take him on a nation-wide tour to be dragged naked, slowly through the main streets for everyone to pelt him with rotten tomato and eggs.

    I like his restraint.

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    • Corky

       /  26th May 2020

      Bob Jones – time to be inducted into the Rightie Hall Of Fame for services to Leftie mental instability.

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      • Duker

         /  26th May 2020

        Lives on the hogs back with many of tenants in his buildings being government departments.
        Corky misses the obvious again- Its Jones whos having a minor brain explosion -“trace the screamingly wet and bound to be bearded, cowering bastard responsible” ….watch your blood pressure Jonesy.
        This is the guy who threw a tanty on a plane and was kicked off for ‘not following instructions’
        I hope they dragged him ” dragged naked, slowly through the main streets for everyone to pelt him with rotten tomato and eggs.”, as he was the classic rich prick/ dont you know who I am poster boy for Narcissism, Entitlement, and Incivility
        Yes I know he got a pathetic little plane for himself , like to see that land in Wellington during a normal ‘bad hair day’ , the pilot would say we are returning to where we took off.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  26th May 2020

          Well, that’s a change. Duker responds with ad hominems. Quelle surprise.

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          • Duker

             /  26th May 2020

            And Jones words were about what?
            “trace the screamingly wet and bound to be bearded, cowering bastard responsible”
            If the cap fits he can wear it….I can’t think of a ‘kind’ thing he’s said for years.

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        • Corky

           /  26th May 2020

          Case in point for you and Gezza

          You mean from a classic socialist environment, to one of being a success.. Otherwise he would be a sniveling ill tempered nobody like those journalists who worked National over( deservedly so) on One News tonight.

          Wiki:

          ”Growing up in the Lower Hutt state housing suburb of Avalon, Jones attended Naenae College (1953–57). He was one of the c200 foundation pupils, and one of the ten who stayed to the sixth form, where he recalled a brilliant history teacher Guy Bliss (most pupils left as soon as they turned 15 to work in factories)”

          As did many of my school mates a little over two decades later.

          Everyone has an equal opportunity in New Zealand to be successful. It’s not Sir Bob Jones’s fault most don’t make the cut.

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          • Gezza

             /  26th May 2020

            It’s not his success that I have an issue with (altho I worked for 2 years in an earthquake risk building he briefly owned, did nothing to, & just flicked on at a profit); it’s his abusive attitude to others whose circumstances, personalities, abilities & priorities are different so they ain’t going to ever have his wealth. You shouldn’t treat people like shit unless they ARE shit.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  26th May 2020

              At least he didn’t punch your dad-in-law, G – could have been worse.

      • Gezza

         /  26th May 2020

        Ahh…. That might be HIS private commuter jet I’ve seen coming over on landing approach to Welly Airport when there’s no wind or a Southerly flow & we’re near the flight path for a South end landing.

        Very rare. We don’t see many of those going over in a year. Aircraft another interest of mine.

        RNZAF C-130, Fri 3 April 2020. The damn cell-camera wouldn’t open on tapping & swiping the screen icon, so I missed the best views of it curving in to start this approach as I had to enter the password & then open the cellcam icon.

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        • Gezza

           /  26th May 2020

          My late dad-in-law, a big but thoroughly inoffensive & gentle man, had a run-in years ago with Bob Jones while working doing decorating on one of his buildings. He’d parked his car somewhere Jones claimed was his.

          His account of how Jones informed him of this fits perfectly with duker’s description of Jones above as: “classic rich prick/ dont you know who I am poster boy for Narcissism, Entitlement, and Incivility”.

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          • Gezza

             /  26th May 2020

            Wot? No upticks for our Air Force Pilots? I wish them all the best every time they manage to get one of their aircraft in the air & land it safely. Poor buggers. Their equipment’s as old as the hills & embarrassing breakdowns are pretty commonplace.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  26th May 2020

              Spare a thought for the Swiss airforce which can only fly for 15 minutes before turning around at their border – assuming invading Germany, France, Italy or Austria is off the agenda.

    • Gezza

       /  26th May 2020

      Nah. Complete overreaction altho I’m getting used to his in ya face grumpy old man humour.

      My initial reaction on seeing those was how nauseatingly bloody twee – & that it’s free political advertising for Jacinda, since she’s all but trademarked those words; should they even be promoting her brand like that?

      But. They’re trite but they’re not offensive. If a lot more folk were actually a lot kinder as their default setting there’d be a damn sight fewer ills in our society.

      I’ve forgotten his website for these arch conservative stir-ups. Think it’s No Punches Pulled. I’ll have a google for a giggle.

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      • Gezza

         /  26th May 2020

        Yup. It’s a short one. Here’s the rest:

        Now if instead of me, Jacinda was to order that to happen and furthermore, throw the first tomato, I’d join in the “great leader” clamour. Copying to the letter what nearly every country in the world has done, doesn’t constitute leadership. Passing across totalitarian authority, not even matched in wartime, to an unelected official is not only an affront to democracy but the total abdication of leadership.

        All things considered, probably it’s best if I take over.

        His thoughts are getting shorter. He’ll soon qualify for Twitter.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  26th May 2020

          Why.does objecting to road safety resources being coopted for political campaigning rank as arch conservative? They are worse than trite, they treat the public like children who must be taught lessons. F.O. is my response.

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          • Or B.O.

            I agree. The slogan has become meaningless with endless repetition and it’s unlikely that an unkind person will see it and have a change of personality.

            I also detest ‘stay safe’, ‘a team of 5,000,000’, ‘stay home and save lives’ and being told that we have made sacrifices; we were not given the choice. We were the sacrifices.
            And then there are all the lost jobs being blamed on ‘the covid crisis’.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  26th May 2020

              The utterly ridiculous nonsense about not being allowed to move freely outdoors and in cars had nothing to do with staying safe and everything to do with controlling the public for the convenience of the bureaucrats. The insane supine and spineless compliance of the population was stomach-churning.

            • Gezza

               /  26th May 2020

              I positively cringe whenever Jacinda says “go hard & go early” now. She said it again in response to an Oral Question from Muller today.

              It got utterly over-used & it’s certainly debateable whether she was going hard enuf & early enuf when she first started using this mantra. The border checks or lack of them in the first few days were a shambles.

              It’s used as a boast too often.

            • Duker

               /  26th May 2020

              Daily arrivals were in the region of 10,000 per day as kiwis flooded back . A day’s worth might fill all hotel rooms in Auckland, and they would have to stay 14 days, next day another 10k for another 14 days….
              So it would take 100s of thousands of hotel beds….
              Once the numbers were managble with the hotels we have ( Auckland isn’t Los Vegas) that’s what happened.

              What was the shambles you are talking about or an is it a ‘yes I got that wrong’

            • Gezza

               /  26th May 2020

              Yes. You did get it wrong. While Ardern was telling the nation checks were hapoening at the borders & people of risk were being required to self-isolate pax were coming off planes saying there were no checks, not even handouts, and others were saying they had no itention of self-isolating. The resources and systems we were told were in place were not actually there.

    • duperez

       /  26th May 2020

      Signs could be put up saying ‘Be an arsehole’ but would Jones need one of those?

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  26th May 2020

        Would be as irrelevant to road safety but less political and patronizing.

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  11. Duker

     /  26th May 2020

    lets hope Corky passes my comments ” dont you know who I am poster boy for Narcissism, Entitlement, and Incivility” onto Jonesy and lets see him explode again.
    he couldnt even win a court case he instigated – ‘ended up with his tail between his legs’, for something I thought he had a justification. But what killed it was him ‘taking to the stand to expand at length in his own words’.
    I read about these types of personalities in courts, the judges and lawyers just let them talk their way into an even deeper hole.

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    • Gezza

       /  26th May 2020

      Tossed up whether to open that. I’d have pasted a teaser:

      MADRID (Reuters) – Spain’s health ministry revised the country’s coronavirus death toll down by nearly 2,000 to 26,834 on Monday after checking data provided by regions.

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  12. Gezza

     /  26th May 2020

    The administrator at ma’s Rest Home rang early this afternoon to say they were able to release ma’s personal effects to me now, when did I want to come & get them? She goes at 3 so I’ve arranged to go & collect them at 9am tomorrow. Which reminds me, I must go up to ma’s & swap the cars over tonight after dinner. Have set a reminder in me mobile. The Colt Plus has more room in the back & it’d then be only a single trip.

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