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  1. artcroft

     /  2nd June 2020

    Discovered this info on Kenya and covid last night. Interesting.

    Kenya is continuing its measures to control the spread of Covid-19. Travel between infected
    counties is not allowed, international borders are closed, everyone is required to wear masks when leaving the house and there is a 7pm-5am curfew. The government finally has the equipment for mass testing and has now done 78,000 tests, with the percentage of positives jumping up to 4-5%over the past few days. But while Covid-19 is around and some people are getting sick, the hospitals aren’t being overrun and there aren’t the high numbers of people getting seriously sick or dying thatthere has been in Europe or the US. There are a few theories about why that is – the younger population, the elderly at home with relatives rather than in rest homes, people’s robust immune systems and people generally spending more time outdoors.

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    • artcroft

       /  2nd June 2020

      Doctors in Italy are now saying the virus is proving much less potent.

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      • David

         /  2nd June 2020

        There is a lot of scrambling to discredit the Doctor, authorities are desperate for people to comply. There must be something to it given the lack of a second wave, Europeans were forced to lockdown and did and the spread stopped so why now they have been out and about for 3 weeks or so there is no surge in new cases ?
        Its either burnt itself out and only effects a percentage of the population or mutated to something less problematic.

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  2. Gezza

     /  2nd June 2020


    Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters agreed with Seymour from his Facebook page: “If the authorities allow this to occur then we should be at level 1 tomorrow.”

    When Stuff asked the Prime Minister’s office to respond to her parliamentary colleagues’ comments, a spokesman said: “policing of the marches is entirely an operational matter for the police, the Government doesn’t involve itself in operational decisions.”

    Police told Stuff they were not aware of any arrests at the protests.
    … … … … …

    Odd. The PM has normally been very free with her comments on the need to observe Bloomfield’s edicts, like the need for social distancing. Suddenly she doesn’t want to comment?

    And the Police Commissioner? Where’s he? Bush would be on the tv issuing threats of police enforcement.

    What’s the difference?

    People have had enuf maybe – & they know it? They won’t tolerate police heavy handedness any more – maybe?

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    • Gezza

       /  2nd June 2020

      Ardern commenting to Hosking live on NewstalkZb now … hopefully it’ll be up on their website layda. She says “The economy is back”. He’s ripping in to her over that.

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      • Gezza

         /  2nd June 2020

        Sounds like we might be at level 1 by Wednesday next week?

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      • lurcher1948

         /  2nd June 2020

        Hell Gezza do you listen to
        hosking,that’s time you have lost forever*
        *proud to never have wasted time hearing him.

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        • Gezza

           /  2nd June 2020

          No, not normally. Just that copying some text from a Herald article I noted a banner headline appeared saying Ardern was being interviewed live on ZB by Hosking, so I switched on the radio I keep tuned to that station.

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        • Corky

           /  2nd June 2020

          Sad to say, it shows, Lurchy. Mikey predigests most of my information. All I have to do is post…and not carry on about liberals, liberal drips and liberal fuggwits.

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          • Digests and regurgitates information like a seagull feeding its chicks, I suppose.

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            • But of course not everyone wants to (or can) analyse information and come to logical conclusions, so ready-made info is welcome to these people. The danger is that accepting it without question means that one might be undiscriminating and unable to tell whether it has any value.

            • Corky

               /  2nd June 2020

              Garbage information for garbage posts. Serious posts deserve more attention.

    • David

       /  2nd June 2020

      She is staying in 2 for NZ firsts electoral benefit. No other earthly reason.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  2nd June 2020

        No one sensible gives a damn anymore. Only the facade is apparently necessary.

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    • Gezza, she’s also dropping Ashley B right in it. The lockdown was his mistake now that it’s increasingly obvious that it was a less than inspired idea. She was happy to accept praise here and abroad when it was feted as a brilliant move.

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  3. Gezza

     /  2nd June 2020

    Peters talking out both sides of his mouth.

    “Thousands of people attended events around the country yesterday – where Covid-19 social distancing rules were clearly broken – over the death of George Floyd in the United States and in solidarity with the Black Lives Matter movement.

    Level 2 rules limit gatherings to 100 people, but at least 4000 were estimated to be at the Auckland protest, and several hundred in Wellington.

    Peters said he was concerned people were flouting Covid-19 guidelines and the event organisers should be prosecuted given New Zealand was still at alert level 2.”

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12336356

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  4. Alan Wilkinson

     /  2nd June 2020

    Roger Stone on the Obama Deep State and its campaigns to bring down Trump:
    https://dailycaller.com/2020/05/31/stone-now-that-im-ungagged-id-like-to-say-a-few-things-about-my-prosecution/

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  2nd June 2020

    The right are a strange bunch,with neanderthal views.Duncan Garner wants the police to go around to arrest the Maori protest leaders,who were protesting police brutality against blacks and Maori here in NZ…David Seymour could attend the arrests for photo opportunities for his white rightwinger base.

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    • Gezza

       /  2nd June 2020

      Who’s this Brenda Wallace idiot? If some armed offender breaks into her house – what? Is she expecting a Cabinet Meeting to first be called to decide if a couple of cops can arm themselves & come round to her place?

      It’s perfectly clear that the police are not considering general arming of all police at all times.

      And I would expect that adoption of any policy about Armed Response Teams would be referred up to the Police Minister & to Cabinet.

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      • duperez

         /  2nd June 2020

        Brenda Wallace just wants it simple.

        All Police armed at all times, or no police armed at any time. No decisions to be made by police.

        Maybe she has said which she prefers.
        Clearly our government has already decided that police can have lethal weapons.

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  7. Corky

     /  2nd June 2020

    Just been looking at George Floyd’s criminal record. If TRUE this man doesn’t deserve to be put on the pedestal he currently is.

    I also notice on One News a black chap was interviewed at the Auckland protests. He just happened to know George. Hmm…a glory hound?

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/01/bob-kroll-george-floyd-minneapolis-police-union-chief

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    • Gezza

       /  2nd June 2020

      Hang on, I’ll have a look. 😐

      This was an interesting read for me the other day:

      George Floyd: What happened in the final moments of his life
      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52861726

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      • duperez

         /  2nd June 2020

        I can’t be bothered checking. Which one did he get the death penalty for?

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        • Corky

           /  2nd June 2020

          More sarcasm? To be fair I prefer that to the gibberish posts.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  2nd June 2020

        The most interesting part of that record is that it stops. Why? Someone did something right.

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    • Gezza

       /  2nd June 2020

      But then, there’s also this one:

      George Floyd, the man whose death sparked US unrest
      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52871936

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    • A police UNION official? Aww feck. Come off the grass, Corks.
      … … …
      “The president of the Minneapolis police union has written to its members calling George Floyd a “violent criminal”, describing those protesting over his death as terrorists and criticizing the city’s political leadership for not authorizing greater use of force to stop the rioting.

      The letter drew a swift rebuke from a former Minneapolis police chief who called it a disgrace.

      Lt Bob Kroll, president of the Police Officers Federation of Minneapolis, defended the four officers involved in Floyd’s death, including Derek Chauvin, who kneeled on Floyd’s neck for more than eight minutes in the lead-up to his death on 25 May. Chauvin is facing murder and manslaughter charges, and the three other officers have been fired.

      “What is not being told is the violent criminal history of George Floyd. The media will not air this. I’ve worked with the four defense attorneys that are representing each of our four terminated individuals under criminal investigation, in addition with our labor attorneys to fight for their jobs. They were terminated without due process,” wrote Kroll, according to a copy of the letter obtained by the Star Tribune.

      Floyd had served time in prison for aggravated robbery but Chauvin could not have known that when he detained him. Video footage shows that Floyd was not behaving in a violent manner during his arrest, was not armed, and was not suspected of a violent crime.”
      ….

      And Floyd hasn’t been “put on a pedestal”. He just was someone black casually killed by an arrogant & callous-seeming Minneapolis white police officer.

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      • Corky

         /  2nd June 2020

        “What is not being told is the violent criminal history of George Floyd. The media will not air this.”

        Well, has our media detailed his full criminal history? Like Duperez, I can’t be bothered checking.

        ”And Floyd hasn’t been “put on a pedestal”.

        Yes, he has…by default of his race and police action. I have been asking myself if this situation had involved a white feral, would the public odium have been the same?

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        • Gezza

           /  2nd June 2020

          What violent criminal history? Look how long ago that armed robbery was. And most of his early offences were minor – petty stuff, & in another state. Keep it in perspective bro.

          It’s time America took another good look at itself & how its cops treat folk.

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          • Pink David

             /  2nd June 2020

            “It’s time America took another good look at itself & how its cops treat folk.”

            Completely agree.

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          • A friend of mine was a bank robber in his youth until he got 7 years for it and decided that it was a mug’s game and has gone straight ever since.

            George Floyd’s armed robbery was years ago. Even if he knowingly passed on a dud note, it’s not a capital offence.

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        • duperez

           /  2nd June 2020

          If the situation involved a white feral? Would three trained, armed cops hold him down down on his back, while he was handcuffed, with another officer on hand, and keep a knee on his neck for 8 minutes 46 seconds?

          Would they do the same? How long would they keep the knee on the neck? Until he died?

          Would they keep the knee on the neck for a couple of minutes after he’d died ‘just to make sure?’
          https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/4ayvew/george-floyd-was-held-down-for-almost-3-minutes-after-he-went-unresponsive-and-had-no-pulse

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            • Corky

               /  2nd June 2020

              Notice the time line before police approached the downed offender?
              Yep, just like a knee on the neck.🤔

            • Gezza

               /  2nd June 2020

              Dunno wtf that comment’s even supposed to mean.

              And that’s LA’s Long Beach PD.

              “Published on Dec 14, 2010
              Police officers in Long Beach, Calif. shot and killed a man on Sunday that they believed was wielding a gun. The 35-year old was sitting in a courtyard holding a water nozzle. The family of the man shouted at officers during a press conference Monday after learning that officers had not identified themselves or told the man to surrender, and that they had shot him 8 times with shotguns and handguns. The family plans to sue.”

              US cops are fked up by too many of them watching Dirty Harry & tv cop shows. That country needs to look at its police culture generally. Doesn’t help the country’s full of gun nuts & crims with easy access to guns legal or otherwise. Nothing will change. It never does. We’ll be seeing more of these riots again when there’s another flash point police murder.

          • Pink David

             /  2nd June 2020

            Here is the answer to all your questions;

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            • Gezza

               /  2nd June 2020

              No. Nobody’s ever heard his name & started rioting because no bystanders videoed it & put it on social media & sent it to the networks. And the Dallas PD refused to release the arresting officers’ vidcam footage for 3 years. So nobody ever heard abput it. Look hard enuf you’ll probably find more of these victims nobody knows about – black white brown red & yellow.

            • Pink David

               /  2nd June 2020

              Correct. The Police in the US do no discriminate in their violence.

              That premise in these riots is untrue.

    • Pink David

       /  2nd June 2020

      “Just been looking at George Floyd’s criminal record. If TRUE this man doesn’t deserve to be put on the pedestal he currently is.”

      This is not about George Floyd. No one is putting him on a pedestal. There are some simple truths;

      He should not have been treated that way, the force was excessive and all too commonly used by US police.

      The officer involved also has a history of poor behavior, badly trained Police are a major problem in the US.

      It’s not a race issue, this happens to people regardless of race. The likelyhood of being killed by Police in the US is, roughly, proportionate to ones contact with them regardless of race.

      The media are entirely focused on ramping up the race conflict side of this problem.

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      • Corky

         /  2nd June 2020

        ”This is not about George Floyd. No one is putting him on a pedestal. There are some simple truths.”

        That’s for real. Those looters and trouble makers couldn’t give a fugg about George Floyd.

        But I ask again…would this have happened if the victim was white?

        To answer my own question: No! Why? Because there’s no political mileage to be had. Blacks couldn’t loot with impunity because no one would believe they cared about a white.
        And agenda mongers would look ridiculous protesting about the killing of a white. White is not in fashion in case you haven’t noticed.

        It is a race issue for the simple reason, the average person thinks along racial lines when it come to the crunch…therefore George is on a pedestal. He has to be otherwise everything falls apart.

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        • Gezza

           /  2nd June 2020

          It is a race issue for the simple reason, the average person thinks along racial lines when it comes to the crunch

          The average racist does. The average person is not the average racist.

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          • Corky

             /  2nd June 2020

            I disagree. People move towards familiarity when things are tough, or they are unsure. And the most familiar thing to all people is their race. They know the rules. Know what to expect…qnd hopefully know how to defend themselves against their own.

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  8. Corky

     /  2nd June 2020

    Had the pleasure -for a while – of being given a packet of Rooibos tea. Apparently from South Africa, I couldn’t wait to give it a go. Brewed it up; tasted it, and was annoyed to discover it’s just another species of Australian Red Bush Tea. Not recommeneded.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  2nd June 2020

      I drink it all the time just with a dash of milk. No bitter aftertaste like normal tea.

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      • Corky

         /  2nd June 2020

        It has little caffeine present. Not enough kick for me.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  2nd June 2020

          I just find it refreshing and thirst quenching. I don’t need a kick. You soon get used to it.

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          • I don’t like it much; it has a slightly oily aftertaste, It was a disappointment to discover that the red bush tea that the Ladies in the No 1 Ladies Detective Agency series like so much was the one that I’d had and not liked much.

            I like ordinary tea, black and preferably with lemon.

            Alan, I did a Bad Thing today.

            I signed myself in as S Holmes, 221B Baker St, London. I hope it gives someone a laugh.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  2nd June 2020

              Our bakery had a signature book for one day and then painted some arrows on the floor and got rid of it. Sounds like we have another week of this nonsense and our glorious leaders pretending it matters.

  9. lurcher1948

     /  2nd June 2020

    Never waste a white power symbol,in the middle of a riot

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    • Gezza

       /  2nd June 2020

      “Throws down” meaning “shows” (moronic US street talk slang) Tarrant made that sign in Court. If that’s what it looks like (not enough video for full context) no wonder NY cops are hated.

      Still, cool thing about mobile cellcam is both those cops will now be identified & their arses booted out the precinct door. If they want to stay cops they’ll have to move to a Southern state with a racist sherrif – if they can find one.

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    • Pink David

       /  2nd June 2020

      Irony lost on you lurcher.

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  10. Pink David

     /  2nd June 2020

    Covid update from Sweden. In short, almost over. Slightly short of the 80,000 the models predicted.

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  11. lurcher1948

     /  2nd June 2020

    For Corky and Gezza

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    • Gezza

       /  2nd June 2020

      Xlnt! Compare that to yaw average Rolling Stones concert & you see how sloppy The Stones are playing live.

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      • Corky

         /  2nd June 2020

        Yes, they really are becoming bad. But they still seem to atrract the crowds. I think they fear not being the Rolling Stones. What’s left? Gold standard age care in a mansion?

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    • Corky

       /  2nd June 2020

      Thanks, Lurchy. One of the first songs I learnt on geetar. Em, Amaj, Dmaj and Gmaj if I remember correctly. Apparently Anderson is a Grade One arsehole.

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  12. Gezza

     /  2nd June 2020

    Todd Muller is the gift to Ardern & co that keeps on giving.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/300026216/jacinda-ardern-schools-todd-muller-in-parliamentary-battle

    Even Bridges had more flair. The poor Nats.

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