Trump pushes for more force, military, as protests continue in US

Protests against the killing of George Floyd by a police officer continue across the not very united States. It quickly widened to being protests against police brutality, against white vigilantes, and against a culture of racism that has plagued the US for centuries.

Meanwhile President Donald Trump is encouraging authorities to deal with the protests with more force. He is trying to sound tough from an apparent position of impotence.

Stuff: Donald Trump berates US state governors, urges them to use force to ‘dominate’ protesters

After pockets of the United States descended into chaos – after another day of protests over the death of yet another black man in police custody led to another night of fire and fury – President Donald Trump urged the nation’s governors to use force and take back the streets.

During a conference call Monday (Tuesday NZ time), Trump berated the state leaders, calling them “weak,” and urged them to “dominate” protesters, according to officials familiar with the president’s remarks. The conference call followed another turbulent night across the nation, as protests that began peacefully exploded into mayhem.

Some conservative commentators are urging the president to address the nation, but the White House press secretary said Trump is focused on the far-left “antifa” movement that he believes is behind the violence. “A national Oval Office address is not going to stop antifa,” Kayleigh McEnany said.

Trump typically likes to focus on a culprit, but the situation is far more widespread and complex than being the fault of Antifa.

Trump berated the nation’s governors on a conference call, telling them to take back the streets and use force to confront protesters and said if they did not, they would look like “fools,” alarming several governors on the call as they communicated privately, according to the officials.

“If you don’t dominate, you’re wasting your time,” Trump said, according to a person on the call. A second person on the call said Trump praised Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, D, and thanked Defense Secretary Mark Esper for his assistance.

The president told the governors that “you have to use the military” and “we have a wonderful military,” said the person on the call.

The president said that people arrested at the protests should serve a 10-year prison sentence, according to another person familiar with the call.

More force and using the military is likely to further inflame a volatile situation. Trump has been criticised for inflaming things with his language.

Difficult times for the US, and they seem to be far from over.

Even Fox News has mixed coverage that isn’t particularly pro-Trump:

This won’t help calm things: Family releases independent autopsy results indicating cause of death

Attorneys for George Floyd‘s family released the results of an independent autopsy report Monday showing that Floyd’s death was caused by asphyxia due to neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain.

Fox News contributor and forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden was one of two doctors hired by the Floyd family to conduct an independent review after prosecutors said a preliminary finding from the official autopsy concluded the combined effects of being restrained, potential intoxicants in Floyd’s system and his underlying health issues, including heart disease, likely contributed to his death.

A video showing a white officer was kneeling on Floyd’s neck for eight minutes before his death has sparked national riots in major cities from San Francisco to Boston.

Baden has conducted other independent reviews in similar cases of police brutality including that of Eric Garner, a black man who was placed in a chokehold by New York police who were attempting to arrest him for selling loose cigarettes and would not relent even as he pleaded that he could not breathe.

Floyd fell to the ground as police were attempting to put him in the squad car, saying he was claustrophobic, according to the complaint.

Floyd can be heard on video saying “I can’t breathe,” numerous times.

Video taken of Floyd’s arrest over a suspected counterfeit $20 bill shows former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin, 44, kneeling on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes, 46 seconds, including nearly three minutes after Floyd stopped moving and talking.

It sounds and like a casual callous killing.

Chauvin was arrested on Friday and charged with third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter. Three other officers who stood by and watched the incident unfold without intervening have not been arrested or charged in the case despite cries from the community for swift legal action.

It’s going the very difficult for the US to repair the damage caused by this.

 

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  1. Patzcuaro

     /  2nd June 2020

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  2nd June 2020

      Kaepernick’s peaceful protest was squashed by white America because it was beamed weekly into their living rooms. If you block pressure relief valves without addressing the underlying issue you end up with USA today.

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      • duperez

         /  2nd June 2020

        The Kaepernik incident was an affront, he was seen to be disrespecting the nation. The Floyd one likewise.

        After all, he was alleged to have tried to use counterfeit money.

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        • Patzcuaro

           /  2nd June 2020

          Elements of white America have been disrespecting black America for centuries

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          • Pink David

             /  2nd June 2020

            White America disrespects Kaepernick by giving him $125 million dollars to be the worst quarterback in the NFL.

            He is one of the wealthiest people to have ever lived.That’s how disrespected he is.

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            • Patzcuaro

               /  2nd June 2020

              Kaepernick did sign a $126 million deal over 7 years, but only ever got $39 million.
              https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-athletes/nfl/colin-kaepernick-net-worth/

              Jeff Bezos is one of the wealthiest people to have ever lived with a fortune of over $100 billion, Kaepernick’s net wealth at about $20 million doesn’t fall into one of the wealthiest people to have ever lived.

            • Pink David

               /  2nd June 2020

              “only ever got $39 million.”

              Fuck me, the poverty!

              “Kaepernick’s net wealth at about $20 million doesn’t fall into one of the wealthiest people to have ever lived.”

              The difference between being richer than 99.9999999% of the world and being richer than 99.99999% does not seem that great.

              The fact remains Kaepernick is wealthier than almost everyone who has ever lived. The fact that there are a few people richer than him does not change this.

              This is your victim.

              Next thing you will be posting about how much of a victim Taylor Swift is because someone said she was fat.

            • Patzcuaro

               /  2nd June 2020

              I think your eyes might need testing if you think Taylor Swift is fat. She has more serious wealth though at $300+ million, not quite in Jeff Bezos’ s league even after his rather sizeable divorce settlement.

            • Fight4nz

               /  2nd June 2020

              Next you might explain wtf Kaepernick‘s salary has got to do with his abundantly justified protest.
              Would you be in that minority for whom morality has a price tag?

        • lurcher1948

           /  2nd June 2020

          Killed because of a fake $20,A rightwingers value of a black adult life,a teenagers life is only worth $10

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          • Pink David

             /  2nd June 2020

            How much was Tony Timpa’s life worth lurcher?

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            • artcroft

               /  2nd June 2020

              Start a riot for him then.

            • Gezza

               /  2nd June 2020

              The Dallas police sat on the officers’ bodycam footage & wouldn’t release it for 3 years. Nobody was on hand to video it & put it on social media & send it to the networks. That’s why there were no riots.

            • Pink David

               /  2nd June 2020

              “Start a riot for him then.”

              I’m not going to take this spectacularly stupid advice. Did you know that rioting is the single best way to make absolutely everything even worse?

              Do you see the US getting better because of the riots in progress?

              Take a stab at this, will thing for black americans be better, or worse, following these riots? What have they actually achieved.

              Pathetic. Seriously,

            • Fight4nz

               /  2nd June 2020

              “ I’m not going to take this spectacularly stupid advice. ”
              More a giver then.
              And a prophet, already know the outcome from the protests. Obviously no protesting is the way forward.
              “ Pathetic. Seriously”

        • If he did use a counterfeit note, there’s no reason to suppose that he knew it was one.He wouldn’t be the first person to have one given to him and used it not knowing. Who looks at notes to see if they’re real or fake ?

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          • Patzcuaro

             /  2nd June 2020

            Exactly

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  2nd June 2020

              Not exactly. He seemed very drunk and brawled with police in the back of the police car. That’s how it escalated.

    • Pink David

       /  2nd June 2020

      If you think what is now happening in the US is anything to do with George Floyd, you are a fool.

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      • duperez

         /  2nd June 2020

        If George Floyd stayed home that day would these images be everywhere?

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        • Pink David

           /  2nd June 2020

          If it was not George Floyd, it would just be another flash point elsewhere.

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          • Patzcuaro

             /  2nd June 2020

            So you agree that the USA was a tinder box just waiting for igntion. Too much injustice over too many years.

            George Floyd a black man is dead over a fake $20 note and a con artist is in the White House.

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  2. Corky

     /  2nd June 2020

    ”More force and using the military is likely to further inflame a volatile situation. Trump has been criticized for inflaming things with his language.”

    Trump didn’t learn from past events and riots. The National Guard and military should have been mobilized within 24 hours of the event happening. Trump would have been demonized no matter what he did. He had nothing to lose. And he would have been covering his arse.

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  2nd June 2020

      He might need to cover more than his arse, the emperor as no clothes on.

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    • Duker

       /  2nd June 2020

      The national guard in each state isnt Trumps to ‘activate’, its the Governors. Other than Washington DC where he acts in lieu of a Governor.
      “In addition to Minnesota, states that have activated troops include Colorado, Georgia, Kentucky, Ohio, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas and Washington, the Guard said in a statement.
      Federalising the NG is a very rare thing to do….which he wont do because ” what happens with the NG actions becomes his problem”

      Trump is all ‘foam’ talk …ask Iran whom he ‘struck 50 targets’ or North Korea where he brought down ‘fire and destruction’ or even those suing him over fake courses at Trump University…he folded.

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  3. Gezza

     /  2nd June 2020

    George Floyd protests: Misleading footage and conspiracy theories spread online
    https://www.bbc.com/news/52877751

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    • Pink David

       /  2nd June 2020

      Not about the US, but it’s always amazing how two media sources can take exactly the same source and send totally different messages. All news is misleading to some degree.

      This is a perfect example.

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  4. Pink David

     /  2nd June 2020

    America is wonderful

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  2nd June 2020

      Interesting that white America is able to enter the state capital building in Michigan to protest the COVID lockdown openly carrying firearms. Imagine what would happen if the black lives matter protesters were openly carrying firearms.

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      • Pink David

         /  2nd June 2020

        “Interesting that white America is able to enter the state capital building in Michigan to protest the COVID lockdown openly carrying firearms.”

        Yes. Exactly no one was harmed, and not a thing was damaged, nor was anything stolen. A peaceful protest.

        “Imagine what would happen if the black lives matter protesters were openly carrying firearms.”

        You do not need to imagine it. Plenty of examples of US citizens of all stripes openly carrying firearms. Do you want me a post some so you can shove your attempt at a racist narrative up your own arse?

        Can I also point out that given the US is so heavily armed, how many incidents do you know of ‘whites’ using the weapons against the protesters? Where is your racism and oppression that you so desperately want?

        You are part of the problem. Actually, I think you, and the people who think like you, are the problem.

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        • Patzcuaro

           /  2nd June 2020

          Thank you, I’ll wear being part of your problem as a badge of honour.

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          • Pink David

             /  2nd June 2020

            I’m glad you are proud you have put the cause of racial equity in the US back decades. Black Americans could have no worse enemy that you.

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            • Patzcuaro

               /  2nd June 2020

              Or better friends than you?

            • Pink David

               /  2nd June 2020

              See I don’t care about race. You do.

              I just don’t understand why you hate black people so much.

    • Corky

       /  2nd June 2020

      In New Zealand….you invite the crooks in. Let them beat you to a pulp. Then say goodbye. You don’t dare invoke your right to self defense because most times you will wind up in court regardless.

      God bless the American way. Rational laws. Rational response to bad people.

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      • duperez

         /  2nd June 2020

        What are ‘bad’ people? Who are ‘bad’ people? Who decides and how quickly? Let everyone have a loaded gun just in case someone bad does something bad. “He was going to rape me so I shot him first, officer.”

        There are lunatics in the world. Some of them might harm us. Some are lunatics who don’t get a chance to act out in the extreme. Answer? Give everyone a gun. Then all lunatics will have a gun.

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        • Corky

           /  2nd June 2020

          I have already covered your concerns in previous posts. Suffice to say, owning a gun for self defence under my terms would be a very thorough. Also legislation surrounding self defence would be updated.

          Meanwhile, Stuart Nash has said NZ Police Officers have a subconscious bias. ( or he has been told that by officers?)

          You and Nash would make a good team, Duperez.

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          • Do you know how many people are shot by family members in the US because they are mistaken for burglars ? But that’s the American Way. As are the number of mass shootings. What a good advertisement for lax gun laws those are.

            It’s insane to say that people invite villains in and let themselves be beaten to a pulp before saying goodbye because doing anything to stop it will result in a court case.

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  5. Patzcuaro

     /  2nd June 2020

    Apparently there is an inserrection in the USA, Trump has invoked an 1807 Act allowing him to deploy troops within the USA.

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    • Pink David

       /  2nd June 2020

      inserrection;

      a violent uprising against an authority or government.

      Fair call don’t you think?

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  2nd June 2020

        Turns out the correct spelling is insurrection, the Boston tea party was a insurrection.

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        • Gezza

           /  2nd June 2020

          God is every American politicians’ & presidents’ plaything. Even the godless ones like Trump & Nixon & Clinton @ Bush.

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          • MaureenW

             /  2nd June 2020

            Beat me to it Gezza.

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          • I don’t recall church leaders denouncing Nixon or Clinton or Bush in this way:

            “Everything he has said and done is to inflame violence. We need moral leadership, and he’s done everything to divide us, and has just used one of the most sacred symbols of the Judeo-Christian tradition.”

            ~ The Right Rev. Mariann Budde, the Episcopal bishop of Washington

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            • Gezza

               /  2nd June 2020

              How hard have you looked though.

              What these God botherers need to remember is that if God didn’t want America run by a narcissistic, pathologically lying con artist President he wouldn’t have invented Donald Trump.

  6. Patzcuaro

     /  2nd June 2020

    Law enforcement agencies in DC have cleared a peaceful protest outside the White House so Trump can have a photo opportunity at a nearby church.

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    • Pink David

       /  2nd June 2020

      What action do you think Trump should have taken? Please be specific.

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  2nd June 2020

        He could have just stayed in the White House rather than having an cheap photo op.

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        • Pink David

           /  2nd June 2020

          So your preferred action from the President is ‘do nothing’. Have I got this correct?

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          • Patzcuaro

             /  2nd June 2020

            No you don’t, having teargas and rubber bullets fired at peaceful protesters so Trump could pretend he is a Christian outside a church isn’t taking action, it’s just a cheap photo op.

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    • Let’s be clear about what Trump did. On his order his federal police tear-gassed lawful and peaceful protesters so that Trump could misappropriate a nearby church for a photo opportunity. Because nothing says good Christian like gassing and firing on citizens expressing their pain.

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  7. Pink David

     /  2nd June 2020

    Greta is really something.

    Climate Change
    Covid-19
    Black Lives Matter

    There is no bandwagon moving so fast she cannot jump on it.

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    • Gezza

       /  2nd June 2020

      Had her 15 minutes of fame.

      Greta who?

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    • Corky

       /  2nd June 2020

      Wow ..this 17 year old doesn’t need PR training – she’s a natural!?

      ”Centuries of structural and systematic racism.”😂

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  2nd June 2020

        Are you suggesting that there hasn’t been centuries of structural and systematic racism?

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        • Patzcuaro

           /  2nd June 2020

          I would suggest that the fact that George Floyd was killed because of a forged $20 note backs up the claim of structural and systematic racism. A very expensive 20.

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          • Pink David

             /  2nd June 2020

            “I would suggest that the fact that George Floyd was killed because of a forged $20 note backs up the claim of structural and systematic racism. A very expensive 20.”

            Does it? Care to detail the crime Tony Timpa committed to be killed at the hands of police? Do you know?

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        • Corky

           /  2nd June 2020

          No, I’m suggesting Greta is a puppet speaking others missives on a variety of topics.

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          • Gezza

             /  2nd June 2020

            Greta is running around looking for bandwagons to jump on because she’s old news.

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        • FarmerPete

           /  2nd June 2020

          There is systemic prejudice everywhere. It’s just that some folk can only see a small portion of it.

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  9. Fun Fact: On this day in 1927, Trump’s father Fred Trump was arrested at a KKK rally.

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    • Pink David

       /  2nd June 2020

      Fun fact. The 2nd June is not Memorial Day, which is in fact May 30th.

      “On Memorial Day in 1927, the Ku Klux Klan marched in Queens to protest Protestant American citizens being “assaulted by Roman Catholic police of New York City.”[19] Trump and six other men were arrested “on a charge of refusing to disperse from a parade when ordered to do so.”[20][21] All seven arrested were referred to as “berobed marchers” in the Long Island Daily Press; Trump was the only one not held on charges”

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    • FarmerPete

       /  2nd June 2020

      Fun fact. Somewhere in your ancestry you probably have forebears you wouldn’t want to acknowledge. This is just drivel. Lowers the tone all round.

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    • FarmerPete

       /  2nd June 2020

      Politifact reports that 1000 KKK clansmen and 100 police had a confrontation. It also says that many citizens were involved in resisting the parade. Trump according to records was the only person immediately released and not charged. Politifact concludes this is probably untrue.
      but don’t let facts get in the way of a good story.

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      • I don’t think that I have anything as bad as KKK members in my family; the worst might be UDR members, which isn’t that bad.

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  10. “Everything he has said and done is to inflame violence. We need moral leadership, and he’s done everything to divide us, and has just used one of the most sacred symbols of the Judeo-Christian tradition.”

    ~ The Right Rev. Mariann Budde, the Episcopal bishop of Washington

    The Episcopal church has disassociated itself from the messages offered by Trump.

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    • duperez

       /  2nd June 2020

      Police gas forced out peaceful protesters so Trump could pose for photos at a church. Holding a Bible no less. Such a religious man. “The sudden use of force left protesters bruised, bleeding and in shock. Although the previous night’s demonstrations had turned violent after dark, with fires set and stores looted, the scene in front of the White House on Monday had been smaller and calmer. People danced and sang to a woman playing a guitar instead of knocking over barricades — a stark contrast to the “violent mobs” and “professional anarchists” Trump invoked in his speech.”

      The awful images from the past few days captured the spirit of what was happening and said something dire about the US. This one here is grotesque for what it says about the US today.
      Photo Washington Post (Tom Brenner/Reuters)

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  2nd June 2020

        Good to see Trumpy practising social distancing.

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        • Patzcuaro

           /  2nd June 2020

          Is Trump practicing social distancing or is everybody else practicing social distancing?

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  2nd June 2020

            Nope. The cops are much closer than 2m apart. Trump’s the only one obeying the rules.

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  2nd June 2020

        It’s not social distancing at all, just hard working police officers taking time out from more important matters to stroke Trumps ego so Trump can walk from the White House for a cheap photo op at a nearby church.

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  11. Pink David

     /  2nd June 2020

    Nothing says justice for George Floyd like loading up your Rolls Royce after looting a shop

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  12. Patzcuaro

     /  2nd June 2020

    Question, what have happen if a black police officer had kneeled on the neck of a white man until he died, while 3 black police officers did nothing?

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  2nd June 2020

      The cop would have been arrested and charged but no riots or protests would have followed. Most of the MSM would have ignored the story. Hollywood would be raising funds for the cop’s defence. Corky would have reported it here and Ishmael would call him racist.

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    • Pink David

       /  2nd June 2020

      “Question, what have happen if a black police officer had kneeled on the neck of a white man until he died, while 3 black police officers did nothing?”

      Fired and charged with 3rd degree murder,

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      • Duker

         /  2nd June 2020

        Minneapolis had a very similar situation, a black officer shot and killed an unarmed white woman who had called the police to report a suspected rape in a lane outside her home.
        8 months later the policeman was charged with 3rd degree murder…
        But there isnt the drum beat of week after week of police killings of unarmed ‘whites’, in their homes, on their front steps , in their cars, while out jogging.

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  13. Patzcuaro

     /  2nd June 2020

    Ladies and Gentlemen, the President of the “United” States flashing a bible outside a boarded up church near the White House.

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    • Duker

       /  2nd June 2020

      The Bishop of the diocese says Trump never asked or was given permission to come onto the ( Episcopalian) church grounds for his photo op

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  2nd June 2020

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