New Conservative, old bull and division

The New Conservative party emerged when Colin Craig and his Conservative Party were wrecked by Jordan Williams, Cameron Slater and John Stringer on the now defunct Whale Oil blog.

They are trying hard too be controversial to attract attention, and have a bit of a following, but are unlikely to get anywhere near the 5% threshold that would get them into parliament. Craig’s Conservatives got 2.65% in 2011 and 3.97% in 2014 after the party secretary resigned just before the election.

The New Conservatives don’t have the money or the profile of Craig. They have been given a bit of publicity at The BFD blog, but that’s largely seen as toxic for politics these days, especially after Slater resurfaced there, but he seems more intent on promoting Winston Peters still (which is probably negative promotion for NZ First).

And the New Conservatives seem intent on a toxic divisive approach to politics. They have tried to use the George Floyd killing and demonstrations and riots to gain some support from the political and social fringe.

That’s just conspiracy theorist divisive bull that will struggle to gain any traction in New Zealand.

It is more likely to ensure they don’t build popular support. The party has mostly polled under 1%, only twice getting to 1.1% (the last time in February 2019).

 

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  1. lurcher1948

     /  6th June 2020

    Vote NC,oldies expect to lose part of your pensions so the rich suits gain at the other end.Turkeys voting for thanksgiving(NC voters)

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    • Corky

       /  6th June 2020

      Nonsense. You will only lose all those lush entitlements Jacinda is giving you. Entitlements future generations will pay for. Unproductive people like you should be thankful you get Super. Learn gratitude and thankfulness that taxpayers are FORCED to support you.😓

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  2. Gerrit

     /  6th June 2020

    In an inclusive democracy all voices are valuable. Be they New Conservatives or Communist, Both have equal chances to be elected but we should celebrate the freedom to choose.

    Please show a little Ardern like kindness.

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    • In a democracy allowing different voices is important, but equally condemning crappy claims and divisive drivel is an important voice.

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      • Corky

         /  6th June 2020

        Can I ask you, Pete…what crappy claims? Seems all those claims may be backed up with SOME degree of facts…similar to any given counter claim.

        I do agree their chances of any type of success are slim to none. But I won’t writing them off yet. After all, posters on this blog were writing ACT’s eulogy not that long ago. And we live in very weird times…times that are becoming more divisive. Maybe not too far down the road people may have to choose what side of the fence they are on. Or, when the money runs out and you are looking at your starving kids, religion and conservatism my be the last card you have left to play? That’s how Jehovah Witness and the Mormons keep their ranks filled.

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        • They say that people who support Black Lives Matter have murderous ideas, as do far left bloggers and NZ politicians.

          This is arrant nonsense, of course.

          And their use of the flag as a logo shows a certain arrogance.

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          • Corky

             /  6th June 2020

            Maybe Conservatives are talking about abortion?

            ”They say that people who support Black Lives Matter have murderous ideas.”

            Conservatives may be wrong on that. BLM have murderous actions..maybe?

            https://www.9news.com.au/national/black-lives-matter-protests-warning-mass-marches-in-australia-carries-coronavirus-risks/6ea6d433-e850-45bd-b652-227074c8f980

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            • That is scraping the bottom of the barrel (the mass marches risk) as it is highly unlikely that spreading a virus is the main aim and there is no guarantee that someone with it is among the protestors. Given the survival rate of Covid, this would be a very clumsy way of attempting to commit mass murder.

              There is also no way of knowing the political views of the marchers.

              Definitely barrel bottom scraping there.

              People of all political persuasions support abortion, alas, so that idea is a non-starter.

            • Corky

               /  6th June 2020

              No, I was starting at the bottom of the barrel. But it’s a fair point, given I believe, the marches have been outlawed. These people are showing no respect for the law. The Conservatives are right.

              ”There is also no way of knowing the political views of the marchers.”

              Let’s play a game. A gun is held to your head. You have to give a ball park figure of the political persuasion of the majority of folk in the crowd?

              That would be…?

              Definition:

              ”A ballpark figure is a rough numerical estimate or approximation of the value of something that is otherwise unknown. Ballpark figures are commonly used by accountants, salespersons, and other professionals to estimate current or future results.”

            • That would be….pointless and unknowable. Who’d waste time on guessing something that they will never know ? It’s idiotic.

              I know what a ballpark figure is, thank you, most people do. Just as I know what a hermaphrodite is and what gender diverse means; things that you seem unaware of.

            • Corky

               /  6th June 2020

              This is where I tap out. You are starting to flounder and post inanities. I posted that definition just in case you tried to weasel your way out of things. And as your first paragraph shows, I was correct.

              For the record, the majority of the marchers would be liberal. Just accounting for the age and dress of the protesters SHOULD have given you I heads up.

            • I take it that you have never heard of groups like the Young Nats.

              Why you had to define an old American cliche is anyone’s guess. Perhaps it was new to you.

              Are you saying that being right wing means not caring about civil rights and innocent people being murdered? It sounds like it. This is ridiculous. You have no idea what the political persuasion of the marchers is. Looking at someone can’t tell you that. These are people who care that an innocent person was publicly murdered. Leftwing people are not the only ones who care about human rights. What do you expect people to wear to a demo ? Suits and ties ? Top hats ? Ball dresses ?

  3. duperez

     /  6th June 2020

    This morning we got the New Conservative pamphlet in our letterbox. The question, ‘Are you conservative’ has indicator statements to agree or disagree with. You’re a conservative if you believe:
    “It is a scientific fact that there are only two biological genders. Gender ideology should not be taught in school.”

    Wouldn’t it be lovely if things in life were simple.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sex-redefined-the-idea-of-2-sexes-is-overly-simplistic1/

    https://www.joshuakennon.com/the-six-common-biological-sexes-in-humans/

    I read some of their stuff online.

    The deputy leader of the party Elliot Ikilei begins his statement in their pamphlet with, “It’s time to stop worrying about being polite…” and a later comment is that he is about ‘pushing back against political correctness.’

    In the spirit of that, good for them putting their money where their mouths are, but fuck off.

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    • How do they explain hermaphrodites ? These occur in animals as well as people and are a fact of life.

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      • Corky

         /  6th June 2020

        You tell us. We are all ears. First, how do hermaphrodites present physically?

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        • Surely you know what a hermaphrodite is. The name comes from Hermes and Aphrodite and means someone with characteristics of both sexes. I’d say use your imagination if you had any. But you must know the difference between men and women as far as their bits go.

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          • Corky

             /  6th June 2020

            I asked a simple question that you haven’t answered.

            Here’s the question..again.

            . ”First, how do hermaphrodites present physically?” Maybe you are just concentrating on one area? Pretend they are dressed up in casual attire. How would they present?

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            • They would present themselves in whatever they felt was the right clothes for them, of course, the same as other people do. They are individuals, not clones. It would be absurd to try to guess what millions of people worldwide would wear as casual attire.

            • Corky

               /  6th June 2020

              No.
              THE MAJORITY( not all) PRESENT AS EITHER MALE OR FEMALE.

    • Corky

       /  6th June 2020

      “It is a scientific fact that there are only two biological genders. Gender ideology should not be taught in school.”

      I agree. School is not the place to discuss such issues with impressionable youngsters. They are already being bombarded by gay lifestyle advocates. No surprises that there are so many fucked up kids going off the rails. Liberalism was meant to be the cure for repressive Conservatism. It now seems to be the disease.

      Legally there are only two sexes, as far as I know. Wow, just imagine if legally three defined sexes will be acceptable on official documents.

      Quote from Duperez’s link:

      ”Vilain, Harley and Achermann say that doctors are taking an increasingly circumspect attitude to genital surgery. Children with DSDs are treated by multidisciplinary teams that aim to tailor management and support to each individual and their family, but this usually involves raising a child as male or female even if no surgery is done. Scientists and advocacy groups mostly agree on this, says Vilain: “It might be difficult for children to be raised in a gender that just does not exist out there.” In most countries, it is legally impossible to be anything but male or female.”

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      • Where are they being bombarded by gay lifestyle advocates ?

        This would be waste of time as someone who isn’t gay or straight can’t be talked into being the opposite. If this was possible, there’d be no gays as it’s only in comparatively recent times that being gay has been accepted as normal; it would have been unthinkable not long ago to show same sex couples in ads. It used to be taught that gayness was perversion, not normal, but gays didn’t stop being gay and anyone who has spent time with animals will know that gay sex occurs in nature.

        Many forms ask if one is male, female or gender diverse now. Do keep up.

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        • In fact, NZ was the first country to legally accept ‘gender diverse’ as an addition to male and female for gender classification; this happened years ago.

          Do try to keep up.

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        • Corky

           /  6th June 2020

          ”Where are they being bombarded by gay lifestyle advocates ?”

          The Rainbow Coalition/ Rainbow Youth. At late primary and college.

          I have a whole box. Literally hundreds of condoms handed out to my young rellies.They gave them to me. ( over a 5 year period.)

          ”This would be waste of time as someone who isn’t gay or straight can’t be talked into being the opposite.”

          Well, that’s nonsense. Read my post again, and find the pertinent part. It’s not about being talked into being gay.

          ”It used to be taught that gayness was perversion, not normal.”

          It’s not normal..are you for real? Although I would only call it a perversion of creativity. It’s common in black magic and debased tantric sex magic to used homosexual acts to generated negative destructive energy.

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          • I can’t even begin to imagine why someone would keep a box ot old condoms. This is utterly bizarre.

            I did not say that it wasn’t normal; basic comprehension skills would have shown that in the context. I said that it was considered a perversion, not normal.

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            • Griff.

               /  6th June 2020

              Cocky keeps condoms on the hope he might actually get laid… one day .
              Has not happened yet but you never know eh Corky.

              In reality even genetically there is a range of possibility genders greater than binary males and female.
              https://www.who.int/genomics/gender/en/index1.html
              Genetic Components of Sex and Gender

              Humans are born with 46 chromosomes in 23 pairs. The X and Y chromosomes determine a person’s sex. Most women are 46XX and most men are 46XY. Research suggests, however, that in a few births per thousand some individuals will be born with a single sex chromosome (45X or 45Y) (sex monosomies) and some with three or more sex chromosomes (47XXX, 47XYY or 47XXY, etc.) (sex polysomies). In addition, some males are born 46XX due to the translocation of a tiny section of the sex determining region of the Y chromosome. Similarly some females are also born 46XY due to mutations in the Y chromosome. Clearly, there are not only females who are XX and males who are XY, but rather, there is a range of chromosome complements, hormone balances, and phenotypic variations that determine sex.

              If you have read the Hite reports you would know that human sexuality is extremely wide and deep .This is illustrated by the fact any perversion you can possibly imagine is out there somewhere on the web.

              I dont give a fuck about anyone’s else gender identity.Live and let live.
              Haggards law suggests.
              Those who get wound up about gender identity are not secure with their own.

            • Griff.

               /  6th June 2020

              Its drinks with the mother in law tonight .
              Sorry for the typo cocky Corky it was unintentional.

            • Corky

               /  6th June 2020

              ”I don’t give a fuck about anyone’s else gender identity.Live and let live.
              Haggards law suggests.
              Those who get wound up about gender identity are not secure with their own.”

              Yeah, neither do I. Of course, having a debate and personal moral codes or opinions CAN be two different trains of thought and beliefs.

              ”Its drinks with the mother in law tonight.”

              Like you say, each to their own.

          • And it would be news to Rainbow Youth that they bombarded schoolchildren and gave them condoms,they don’t. What sort of primary school would allow young children to be given condoms ? The parents would be furious.

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            • Corky

               /  6th June 2020

              ”I can’t even begin to imagine why someone would keep a box ot old condoms. This is utterly bizarre.”

              Yes, I can undestand that. Plus the worthless comment.

              As a matter of fact, not bizarre at all, I use them as protection for germinating seedlings.

              ”I did not say that it wasn’t normal; basic comprehension skills would have shown that in the context. I said that it was considered a perversion, not normal.”

              I did not suggest you said that. Although the inference in your comments suggests otherwise.. that gayness exsistes in nature, which is true, but not in the same way as it does in man..you probably missed that subtly of a social organisation of homosexuality in man..not just the act.

            • Corky

               /  6th June 2020

              ”And it would be news to Rainbow Youth that they bombarded schoolchildren and gave them condoms,they don’t.”

              What would you know about children and school in the modern era? Nothing!

              I said:

              ”The Rainbow Coalition/ Rainbow Youth. At late primary and college.”

              My apologies. I didn’t allow for a logical conclusion as to when condoms would be handed out. Next time I spell it out chapter and verse,

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