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  1. David

     /  6th June 2020

    No way he should have been murdered but he had meth and fentynal in his system and was passing off forged money. Apparently he had been to jail 5 times with his last crime being a particularly awful home invasion with 5 other guys where Floyd held a gun to the stomach of a pregnant woman.

    “The final straw for Floyd came after serving five years in prison in 2009 for aggravated assault stemming from a robbery in 2007 where he entered a woman’s home, pressed a gun into her stomach and searched the home for drugs and money, according to court records.

    Floyd pleaded guilty to the robbery where another suspect posed as a worker for the local water department, wearing a blue uniform in an attempt to gain access to the woman’s home, according to the charging document.

    But when the woman opened the door, she realized he was not with the water department and attempted to close the door, leading to a struggle.

    At that time, a Ford Explorer pulled up to the home and five other males exited the car and went up to the front door.

    The report states the largest of the group, who the victim later identified as Floyd, ‘forced his way inside the residence, placed a pistol against the complainant’s abdomen, and forced her into the living room area of the residence.

    ‘This large suspect then proceeded to search the residence while another armed suspect guarded the complainant, who was struck in the head and sides by this second armed suspect with his pistol while she screamed for help.’

    Not finding any drugs or money at the house, the men took jewelry and the woman’s cell phone and fled in their car. A neighbor who witnessed the robbery took down the car’s license plate number.

    Later, police tracked down the car and found Floyd behind the wheel. He was later identified by the woman as the large suspect who placed a gun against her stomach and forced her into her living room, the document states. “

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    • David

       /  6th June 2020

      One of the coppers had literally just started on the job, hard to see any charges against him being succesful as he asked if Floyd should have been put on his side a couple of times and was told no by his senior officer.

      https://www.insider.com/fired-minneapolis-police-officer-thomas-lane-had-criminal-record-2020-6

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    • Duker

       /  6th June 2020

      Meth and fentanyl is irrelevant
      “What these cases have in common is often drug use, pre-existing health conditions, and police restraint. Any emergency doctor sees patients with drug use and pre-existing health conditions. The key ingredient in most of these deaths is ongoing police restraint of patients in respiratory failure. In layman’s terms, they can’t breathe.
      With a weighted knee on his neck partially obstructing his airway, and knees on his back impeding his chest expansion and preventing his diaphragm from moving up and down, George Floyd’s ventilation would have gradually failed. During those 8 minutes and 46 seconds, a lack of sufficient oxygen getting in and carbon dioxide getting out would have turned the blood acidic and oxygen-poor. This would have taxed Floyd’s diseased heart, likely to the point of heart failure and cardiac arrest. With blood flow and oxygen delivery to the brain halted, he would have stopped moving, stopped breathing, and become unresponsive. Neck and torso pressure continued to be applied for minutes after this”
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12337644

      ” Neck and torso pressure continued to be applied for minutes after this” The video is just too damning and shows the timeline that an autopsy doesnt and would support a pathologist giving testimony like the above.

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      • David

         /  6th June 2020

        What are you going on about now, nowhere did I say that meth and fentynal killed him just that he had it in his system. He was pretty clearly killed by the copper I dont think anyone is disputing that at this stage.

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        • Duker

           /  6th June 2020

          The autopsy said he had caffeine and a byproduct of smoking tobacco in his system too. And like the fentanyl proves what ?
          I can play this game too “where did I say meth and fentanyl killed him” , I said its irrelevant, which it is. But if you read the link, fentanyl can kill you but again is irrelevant in this context

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          • David

             /  6th June 2020

            The fentynal and meth prove he is taking illegal drugs which fits in with his criminal history of drug possession and supply. You are crapping on about the autopsy which you are free to do but do it on your own post if you feel you have something interesting to say, which would make for a change.

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      • Pink David

         /  7th June 2020

        “Meth and fentanyl is irrelevant”

        Does fentanyl effect the respiratory system?
        Does methamphetamine effect the respiratory system?

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    • lurcher1948

       /  6th June 2020

      The [deleted] POTUS 45 Donald Trump hiding in his bunker gets his wall built and no, Mexico didnt build it….trump relates with ALL Americans
      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8391985/Fortress-White-House-Tall-black-fences-1600-Pennsylvania-Ave-protests-continue.html

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  2. Patzcuaro

     /  6th June 2020

    The mayor of Washington pushing back renaming the area outside the photo op church Black Lives Matter Plaza. Also painting it on the road.

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  3. David

     /  6th June 2020

    Astra Zenneca have started manufacturing the Covid 19 vaccine being developed by Oxford University which if true is pleasing news. I think they have just started phase 3 trials and are doing some of those in Brazil with health workers as its running pretty rampant there at the moment.
    There are a couple of Italian Dr,s observing less severe symptoms in new patients so maybe its mutating as these things tend to do. The WHO is pushing back hard on this but they have got very little correct and wont want the fear level to drop or their funding either.
    We are seeing a big jump in cases and a fall in deaths so this could be either better testing or the virus is less potent. Early days but some good news potentially.

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    • Much more testing picking up less severe cases will change the cases/deaths ratios, but it does look like the rate of deaths has reduced.

      However there are questions about unreported deaths, especially inn places like Brazial, Russia and India, distorting the numbers.

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    • BBC: AstraZeneca to begin making potential vaccine

      Drug company AstraZeneca is to start producing a potential vaccine for coronavirus, its boss has told the BBC.

      Trials of the drug are under way but Pascal Soriot said the firm must start making doses now so that it can meet demand if the vaccine proves effective.

      “We are starting to manufacture this vaccine right now – and we have to have it ready to be used by the time we have the results,” he said.

      AstraZeneca says it will be able supply two billion doses of the vaccine.

      Speaking to the BBC’s Today programme, Mr Soriot said manufacturing was beginning already because, “we want to be as fast as possible”.

      “Of course, with this decision comes a risk but it’s a financial risk and that financial risk is the vaccine doesn’t work,” he added.

      “Then all the materials, all the vaccines, we’ve manufactured will be wasted.”

      https://www.bbc.com/news/business-52917118

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      • David

         /  6th June 2020

        Quite encouraging….or they can see the virus getting weaker and want to sell as much vaccine as possible just in case its not needed.
        I think on the face of it more testing is the reason but its always interesting to hear from front line Drs who will be the first to notice a change.

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      • Pink David

         /  6th June 2020

        We need to lock everyone in their homes to keep them safe, but a vaccine with most of the safety steps removed from the process is perfectly fine?

        Is AstraZeneca vaccinated against the liability?

        I do wonder why they just don’t send out a harmless placebo and claim victory.

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  4. David

     /  6th June 2020

    Stunning employment numbers out of the US, as I thought/hoped we wouldnt get a severe recession and the bounce back would be pretty quick and more like after 9/11 than 2008.
    Still pretty bouyant in the garden city, even my publican has a spring in his step.

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    • Duker

       /  6th June 2020

      So you like computer models that validate your thinking.
      Appraently the survey response rate they use in the model is down 13% because of the covid situation. A lot of the jobs are recovered jobs for bar restaurant etc and others who were furloughed during shutdowns and were deemed unemployed ( 0 hrs that week).
      Its part of the US system to lay people off in bad times and bring them back in good, just this time round broad shutdowns had many more laid off at once but with some chance of getting back to work.
      Still 13% is more than twice our rate

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      • Pink David

         /  6th June 2020

        ‘Still 13% is more than twice our rate”

        NZ is spending tens of billions to subsidies these jobs. What happens when the money runs out?

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      • Pink David

         /  6th June 2020

        Just in case anyone doesn’t realise this, 45% of NZ jobs are currently being subsided by the government. $585.80 per week.

        Unemployment benefit is <$200/week.

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        • I hate to think what will happen when the money runs out.

          All this because Dear Leader’s instinct told her to lock us all in rather than testing and quarantining people coming in and easing the lockdown when it was obvious that the virus was under control here.

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    • Hahahahaha, no.

      The only thing the US job numbers show is that the employment numbers that came out yesterday were faked. Companies reopening and calling back about 5% of the 42 million laid off is NOT “jobs growth.” furloughed employee’s returning to work aren’t new jobs .

      Then we learned even the 2.5 million was wrong. In fact, permanent job losses increased in May.

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      • Pink David

         /  7th June 2020

        “https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1269414091329867776”

        What happened to that Lancet article about Hydroxychloroquine that you posted a little while ago. Care to give us an update?

        Yes, jobs are returning. That is a good thing don’t you think? Are you against these people getting their jobs back?

        Anyone who supported this lockdown should have some serious questions to answer about why 40+ million americans needed to lose their jobs, but rioting and street marches with tens of thousands are perfectly fine.

        Would you care to explain this to everyone?

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  6th June 2020

    When the money runs out Kitty,the weak and useless will fail,the people who had a goal will succeed, and the mouthy worker hating useless rightwing business owners will go the way of the dinosaurs….AND WHO WILL CARE only David Farrar and his donating slave drivers.Hell i had a useless boss once who worked elsewhere, he was called”beds are us”thats what everyone called him,never his name, as we were printers and he worked somewhere elsewhere before us,,beds i think….didnt know a thing about printing or staff but paid handsomely

    [Deleted – if I had less time I would just delete the comment, making comments like that doesn’t help make your case – PG]

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    • Pink David

       /  6th June 2020

      What did you do to help him become a better boss?

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    • lurcher1948

       /  6th June 2020

      Pink David we all laughed at (beds are us) an arrogant women’s sex organs and he never stepped up to be worth anything,got sacked eventuly

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      • I heard of a miseryguts called Les who was known as Les Miserables, pron. as if it was English.

        One of the local busdrivers should be called that; his name is Les and he’s a miserable git.

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  6th June 2020

    PS HI PG there’s a few more posts that you are scared of,JUST SAYING,BUT NOT LURCHER1948

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    • I’m not scared of anything, I just get to decided what I think is appropriate and what’s not here. And I choose to limit derogatory comments and personal attacks and unsubstantiated allegations in particular.

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