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  1. David

     /  8th June 2020

    Bit of a shock on this cold Monday morning to find Stuff tip toeing around the ministry of health lying its butt off about recently arrived film crew. Its fairly obvious they didnt have anyone there supervising the arrival of the film crew into isolation, its been widely speculated that a few of them headed down to the Floyd protest and to be frank this is not acceptable given we had just indebted a whole generation to get through this thing.
    I had a friend, a nurse, just go through the isolation in Auckland who likened it to a short jail spell and she wasnt impressed but she just got on with it. Now why is her isolation different than a group of people who have just arrived from a Covid hotspot and she had just arrived from Queensland.
    I am glad they are here and we are earning but rules should be rules and apply to everyone and where the bloody hell is our dopey health minister.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/121746854/surprise-sequel-to-avatar-hotel-saga-as-guests-claim-stuffup

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    • Gezza

       /  8th June 2020

      Promoted out of sight?

      Hang on, I’ll have a read. But I hope you’re not going to bang on & on about all these demonstrations following poor George Floyd’s murder, like Pinky. It’ll all blow over soon & things will just get back to the normal overzealous authoritarian policing in the US.

      Folk who’ve jumped on the bandwagon all round the Western World seem to be mainly the feckless & idealistic young folk with bugger all life experience who just get carried away with their perrs over whatever liberal progressive issue is topical & anti-establishment, just as ours did when we were that age.

      (Which is not to say that those issues didn’t need addressing. But all you need is love & world peace & no nukes never actually happened & probably never will.)

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      • Gezza

         /  8th June 2020

        Whoops
        *perrs = peers

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      • Gezza

         /  8th June 2020

        Sounds right. Sounds like a pretty typical Kiwi lackadaisical approach to quarantine requirements at hotel check in time. Nobody thought to isolate them off on arrival; just focussed on managing them once they were in their rooms?

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        • David

           /  8th June 2020

          In Auckland they are isolated right through to their rooms by security guards it seems in Wellington there are different rules. No excuses really its not a complicated process.

          As far as the protests, in the US I can understand it the place is little better than a penal colony for some. The coppers are brutal and officious, the justice system is terrible and the prison system is little different from slavery.
          Nothing will change because nothing changes in America particularly if its the black community that are affected. Its a local problem and screaming at Trump only shows the failure of their woeful education system as they clearly dont understand how government works. Policing and courts (aside from the FBI and Federal crimes) are local issues and the Governors responsibility, a clue might be that the President doesnt have in his cabinet a police minister, a courts minister, a prisons minister. Change your governor and then things will change, things were shit under Obama and they are still shit under Trump.

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          • artcroft

             /  8th June 2020

            Right in part, but the protests and riots show they do understand how the American political system works. It works for the wealthy.

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            • artcroft

               /  8th June 2020

              very wealthy.

            • David

               /  8th June 2020

              The political system as in the constitution. No point protesting in Washington against something happening in Minnesota and if you are in Washington you should be at Pelosi,s office as she runs the part that legislates and provides funding. The President has almost no power to change anything.

            • artcroft

               /  8th June 2020

              Although when the southern states decided to sit desegregation out in the sixties, it was the feds who sorted the issue.

          • artcroft

             /  8th June 2020

            And nothing moves in Washington without the presidents signature unless you have a veto proof majority (which no one does). So Trump will have to be part of the change for good, lol.

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            • David

               /  8th June 2020

              Sure but Pelosi has to write the legislation and Mitch has to sign it off then it gets to the President.
              The policing issue is very much a local issue and can only be solved locally under the constitution. I dont think there is any law on the statute books, aside from the Biden authored crime bill and its minimum jail terms for crack cocaine and not powdered cocaine that was racist, that discriminates against anybody.
              The Governors could literally better fund the police, train them properly, discard union rules that stop them being held accountable, fund education and rehabilitation in prisons, restrict access to firearms and on and on.

  2. David

     /  8th June 2020

    Let me make a prediction that today with miraculous timing the one active Covid case will have been cured just in time for Ardern to deliver her press conference on the move to level 1.
    I think we are being somewhat manipulated and there is a little more than just a health agenda.

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    • Gerrit

       /  8th June 2020

      We are for all intends and purposes already at level 1. The reality is, no one seems to be taking any notice of what Ardern wants. The people are simply ignoring the Ardern advice.

      her time in the limelight is now up and hopefully she will focus solely in getting unemployment down and the economy striding again.

      Question will be does she have the smarts to know what to do and does she have a cabinet to support her?

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      • Gezza

         /  8th June 2020

        Yep. I held the memorial get together for ma on Saturday. I got everyone to sign the contact tracing register. Didn’t need to remind everyone to wash their hands & use the sanitisers I dotted around the kitchen lounge dining room area.

        My sister & sister in law just took over in the open plan kitchen & the next minute the food wine coffee tea were magically all beautifully laid out on the dining room table when I went to help.

        There were handshakes & hugs all round; social distancing went right out the window from the first minute. Everybody was healthy & glad to be there & meet people they didn’t know or hadn’t seen for monthscor years.

        We had ended up having a party in ma’s honour in her house. She would approve, even though she told me it wouldn’t be necessary.

        I wouldn’t say things are back to normal completely yet. Those present, and especially the elders there, were grateful to and supportive of Ardern’s actions to protect them. But among people they could trust would never knowingly infect them they were completely relaxed & glad to able to socialise; the elders have been lonely in their isolation bubbles.

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    • Yes, David, you are 100% right.

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      • duperez

         /  8th June 2020

        Bloomfield explained how the numbers are done and about the one case. He didn’t say, “With miraculous timing the one active Covid case has been cured just in time for Ardern to deliver her press conference on the move to level 1.”

        You don’t believe Dr Bloomfield, you believe someone on here. Do you think Bloomfield has a political motive for his utterance and the one on here doesn’t?

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  3. Corky

     /  8th June 2020

    Received my last Iwi package on the weekend. There was about $80 worth of groceries, and as a special gift, two mutton birds accompanied by a huge bunch of watercress. Having not eaten mutton bird for many years, I couldn’t wait. I rushed into town and bought a cheap pot and some utensils. Cooked the birds up and feasted. Simply divine.

    Thanks guys. I think it’s called brown privilege. Talking of things brown, I wonder if Pickled Possum was supported by her Iwi.🤔

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    • Gezza

       /  8th June 2020

      If she wants you to know, no doubt she’ll tell you.

      Occasionally you can buy muttonbird in the NW supermarket here. I’d love to try it. How do you cook it, Corks?

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      • Corky

         /  8th June 2020

        ”If she wants you to know, no doubt she’ll tell you.”

        It’s a tribal thing.

        First you must accept the smell and tainting these greasy salty birds leave. Hence me buying a cheap pot. Everything was chucked when I finished. Others aren’t fussy… I am.

        Cover the birds with water and allow the the birds to boil for 2-4 hours. Once the flesh is soft, and comes off the bone easily, it’s time to feast. If you have greens, they can go into the pot 20 minutes before eating. The flesh is like stringy mutton from those Sunday roasts of yesteryear.

        Other folk have different cook times and methods. There’s no ‘one way.’

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        • Gezza

           /  8th June 2020

          I’d never buy a cheap import pot without running a geiger counter over it first.

          Cheers for the recipe.

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          • Corky

             /  8th June 2020

            Funny you mention that. I’m fairly sure the pot was alright. It was cheap spun stainless steel, made in India. Although lead may have been used in it’s production. I made sure to have a couple of charcoal capsules to be on the safe side.

            It’s the mugs made in China, with the dark heavy paint that have me concerned. I had one that chipped, and the paint was flexible like the old time lead paint.

            I have thrown away 3 other similar cups and will now look for something NZ made.

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            • Gezza

               /  8th June 2020

              I don’t bother with charcoal capsules. I just reheat toast until its got some burnt bits. Quite nice if it’s not overdone.

      • Gezza, muttonbird is fatty and oily. I have only had it once, when I still ate meat, and never wanted to have it again. The people who called it muttonbird can’t have had mutton for a very long time. If you don’t like fatty, greasy, oily food, you won’t like this.

        I wonder why someone as rich as Corky makes himself out to be accepts charity and food parcels.

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        • Corky

           /  8th June 2020

          ”I wonder why someone as rich as Corky makes himself out to be accepts charity and food parcels.”

          More romancing? I don’t know why you like bring down the tone of threads.

          ”The people who called it muttonbird can’t have had mutton for a very long time.”

          What the hell is that meant to mean? You want me to write Titi?

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          • Corky

             /  8th June 2020

            *bringing.

            And it wasn’t charity, it was a gift. I did not ask for it. Just because you received nothing…please don’t take it out on me.🤣🦾

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  4. Gezza

     /  8th June 2020

    Brr. 5°C here & all the rooves are white with frost, but the sun’s out, the sky’s blue & it kooks like it’s going to a stunning day. Cake all round for the pooks after their bread chunk main breakfast.

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    • It was here except for a few hardly there showers; the sparkly kind. I was in jeans and a longsleeved t-shirt and was nearly cooked in the sun. It was better than June in England which was supposed to be summer.

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  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  8th June 2020

    Major power outage – whole of the Far North network is down. Relying on trusty gas and gravity water for my morning coffee.

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    • How annoying. I have a tiny fondue set that will boil water in an emergency. I once had to boil water in a tin over a candle when I was desperate for a cup of coffee.

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      • Gezza

         /  8th June 2020

        Yes I’ve got mains gas to the kitchen hob & lounge heater. It’s rare to get a power outage down here for long, but when they have occurred (in Winter), the mains gas that I didn’t really want proved to be a real asset. And cooking with gas gives far superior instant heat control to any electric hobs I’ve tried.

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  6. Pink David

     /  8th June 2020

    This will be interesting experiment to watch from a distance.

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    • Corky

       /  8th June 2020

      Please stand by for a train wreck. Criminals will love this.😃

      Emotionalism and decisions made under crisis conditions lead to lunacy.

      Citizens should demand all councillors disclose their IQ. This surely cannot have been a unanimous decision by all councillors?🤔

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    • Gezza

       /  8th June 2020

      Keeping it real.

      “Community activists have criticised the department for years for what they say is a racist and brutal culture that resists change.

      The state of Minnesota launched a civil rights investigation of the department last week, and the first concrete changes came on Friday when the city agreed to ban chokeholds and neck restraints.

      A more complete remaking of the department is likely to unfold in coming months.

      New Jersey and California PDs have been disbanded
      Disbanding an entire police department has happened before.

      In 2012, with crime rampant in Camden, New Jersey, the city disbanded its police department and replaced it with a new force that covered Camden County.

      Compton, California, took the same step in 2000, shifting its policing to Los Angeles County.

      It was a step that then-attorney-general Eric Holder said the Justice Department was considering for Ferguson, Missouri, after the death of Michael Brown. The city eventually reached an agreement short of that but one that required massive reforms overseen by a court-appointed mediator.”
      … – ABC

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      • Duker

         /  8th June 2020

        Yes, those sorts of places put the entire police force on ‘intensive supervision’…just like they do for probation cases

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      • Pink David

         /  8th June 2020

        Camden PD did not disband because of corruption. It was a run-around unions. Average salary was just under $200k/year.

        It was reformed and the officers rehired on new contracts at much lower pay, i.e. half.

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      • Pink David

         /  8th June 2020

        Even some actual source material.

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        • Gezza

           /  8th June 2020

          You’re missing my point. The point is, disbanding the local fuzz & starting over anew can & has been done. And if this force has been union-driven change-averse, they now may find themselves having to negotiate a carefully supervised re-establishment. I very much doubt that suddenly there’ll be no police.

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  7. Pink David

     /  8th June 2020

    I should add, that the UK police likely need to be defunded, look at this total incompetence. Add to that a total vacant government, The UK is on the same path as the US.

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    • Pink David

       /  8th June 2020

      The Police take orders from the mob now.

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      • Gezza

         /  8th June 2020

        You got anything showing they apprehended him? Just as likely they went after him to protect him from being set upon by some in that low-rent rabble (judging by their accents & diction).

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      • Corky

         /  8th June 2020

        The idiots don’t realise that statue is a mnemonic device ( provided you know history) of Britain’s past. They had no right to remove it.

        But then, when you see the British police trying to hold back a hostile crowd, as seen on One News, without batons, you just know the country is fugged.

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    • Duker

       /  8th June 2020

      UK Police were defunded by the new Conservative government in 2011
      “Police forces to cut more than 34,000 officers and staff
      https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jul/21/police-cut-30000-officers-staff

      Apparently its only bad when the left wants to do it.

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      • Pink David

         /  8th June 2020

        Not that this is a surprise, but as usual you miss the point. I’m all for them being defunded if this is the performance.

        By defunded, I mean zero. Let’s run the experiment.

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    • The man is an idiot in spite of his obvious gifts and intelligence. Something in him won’t let him go straight, except straight to prison.

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  8. Gezza

     /  8th June 2020

    This isn’t a great sign of good will & good faith from the EU re a free trade deal:

    Trade Minister David Parker is accusing the European Union of agricultural protectionism and questioning whether the trading bloc is committed to completing a free trade deal.

    Over the weekend European trade publications revealed details of what they said were being offered by European Union trade negotiators to New Zealand officials for dairy quotas under a possible free trade agreement.

    Although details of the offer are unclear, one commentator said it included tariff rate quotas for 15,000 tonnes of cheese over a decade.

    Parker, speaking at a trade event in Wellington on Monday, was scathing, describing the offer as “paltry”.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12338156
    … … …
    Good to see David Parker baring his teeth at them over it.

    Let’s hope Boris’s lot is a damn sight more accommodating.

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