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  1. lurcher1948

     /  15th June 2020

    So Todd Muller says hes going to lean on his Catholic roots,well good luck trying to win an election with the slogan”its the Catholic way or the highway”.

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    • Gezza

       /  15th June 2020

      Don’t be daft Lurch. He’s hardly likely to be advocating for the Catholic church. No doubt he means he’ll be a conservative Christian type in his approach to issues. One suspects he means that in the sense that he’ll be an advocate for truth, honesty, tolerance, forgiveness, performing the occasional miracle, & for feeding the masses with loaves & fishes, after telling them uplifting if sometimes logically puzzling stories.

      Altho I agree that these days going to the NZ electorate trumpeting that you’re a Catholic is probably a vote-loser rather than a vote winner. As a long-term ex-Catholic it fascinates me how those who still adhere strongly to this priest-driven cult seem totally oblivious to the fact their religion has now garnered itself considerable public odium as an organisation of clerical sexual abusers & longstanding excusers.

      If I was him I’d have played it down, not up.

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  2. A nasty bout of pneumonia in Florida this season? Or is someone hiding COVID deaths?

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    • Other states appear to be hiding their COVID deaths as well – passing them off as pneumonia

      Pneumonia kills about 50,000 people each year in the U.S., according to the CDC.
      This year, at least 89,555 deaths have been attributed nationwide to pneumonia between February and mid-May.

      It tends to follow a typical flu season, coming on in December and peaking in January and February before declining in March to April.

      But preliminary CDC data from this year show pneumonia deaths steadily climbed in March to peak in April, mirroring the trend line for deaths linked to the coronavirus outbreak.

      States other than Florida are also seeing death counts several times greater than normal:
      Indiana: 1,832 COVID-19 deaths; 2,149 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 384)
      Illinois: 4,856 COVID-19 deaths; 3,986 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 782)
      Tennessee: 336 COVID-19 deaths; 1,704 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 611)
      Ohio: 1,969 COVID-19 deaths; 2,327 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 820)
      Virginia: 1,208 COVID-19 deaths; 1,394 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 451)
      West Virginia: 72 COVID-19 deaths; 438 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 117)

      There’s a deeper dive into the numbers here:

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      • duperez

         /  15th June 2020

        That invites a considered intelligent response of course, so research will need to be done. A fitting response can then be made.
        There you go, I’ve done it.
        ‘FAKE NEWS!!’ Isn’t that how it works? 🙃

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        • Pink David

           /  15th June 2020

          Well, you could show it in a context that means something.

          5 year averages are not much use given pneumonia deaths spike every year for around 40 days during winter. How does it look peak to peak?

          You also can give good context looking at total mortality. Are this states seeing excess deaths week-to-week? If you really were looking to show this with confidence, that’s where it would show up.

          That gives a clarity that would bring some credibility, rather than just vague conspiracy.

          Match this;

          https://hectordrummond.com/2020/06/15/week-22-graphs-from-christopher-bowyer/

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    • Pink David

       /  15th June 2020

      Where is the spike in cases following all these lack of social distancing?

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  3. Patzcuaro

     /  15th June 2020

    We could be on the cusp of world domination.

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    • Pink David

       /  15th June 2020

      Being fair to Arden, she could not have done any worse.

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      • They must be clowns if she could do better than them. I take it that the writer hasn’t heard of the massive debts and the rise in business closures and unemployment, let alone the cruelty of some of the lockdown rules. If the UK’s worse, it must be really bad,

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        • Pink David

           /  15th June 2020

          Yes, it is worse. They are all over the place and the teachers unions are effectively vetoing schools reopening until September.

          Scotland is even worse, they are after a wage subsidy for two years paid for by the English. Given the vast majority of the deaths are from them sending people into the rest homes, it’s shameless.

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          • Did you see the news item about the pubs that are likely to close ? I think it was 1/3 if they are not let to open before September. A Kiwi who owns 3 and a hotel was trying hard to stay positive. The hotel was full of his workers, now homeless, staying there free of charge.

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  4. Gezza

     /  15th June 2020

    “Protesters set fire to the restaurant where the shooting happened”, says Melissa Stokes, on the 1News item embedded in the story.

    I beg to differ. Arsonists set fire to that restaurant. There was no need for that. It’s hardly likely to be owned by the policeman who shot the victim dead. One hopes they track down & prosecute the arsonist(s).

    Two wrongs don’t make a right. And it’s one thing to protest yet another US police shooting where the neither officer’s nor anybody else’s life was under threat. It’s another to indulge in criminal behaviour that itself hurts the community more through loss of jobs & a food outlet.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300034641/atlanta-police-share-bodycam-video-fire-officer-after-fatal-rayshard-brooks-shooting

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    • The fact that he was more or less legless from drink is no justification for killing him, even if he had grabbed a taser which he was unlikely to be able to use, especially in that condition.

      But the insanity of burning down the burger bar is beyond belief. As you say, the rozzer is unlikely to own it.

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  5. Pink David

     /  15th June 2020

    Well, I never, even the Guardian is beginning to realise the lockdowns are a bonkers idea. This was obvious from day one, but at least they are getting there.

    “Governments now know the economic, social, health and educational costs of full Covid-19 lockdowns scar too deeply”

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/14/the-past-three-months-have-proved-it-the-costs-of-lockdown-are-too-high?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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    • When one sees what two months (or all but) did here, the thought of three months (so far; 6 if it takes in September) is appalling.

      We had 360 more deaths of 80+s than usual for that time; what will the UK have ?

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  6. Pink David

     /  15th June 2020

    This is some funny shit.

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  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  15th June 2020
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    • Pink David

       /  15th June 2020

      Black Lives Matter is all about white people. Get with the program.

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    • Gezza

       /  15th June 2020

      Hit by the Random WordPress Wilkinson Effect. Reply below.

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  8. Gezza

     /  15th June 2020

    …A number of videos of the attack and hordes of young people running towards the train station have since surfaced on social media sites including Instagram, Snapchat and TikTok.

    Many youths can be seen throwing up gang signs.

    It is understood De La Salle is holding a special assembly today to address the incident and to speak about being safe while going to and from school.

    Principal Myles Hogarty has been sought for comment.

    The other school whose students are thought to be those involved said “no comment” when approached by the Herald.

    Police are due to give an update on the situation – including whether or not any charges have been laid – late this morning, a police spokesman said.
    ….

    How long has this shit been going on for up there now? A decade?

    District Commander: Get off your fat politically & ethnically correct arse and lauch a major bloody police investigation. Devote full resource to it. All of these bloody scroats & every one of their gang thug rellies need to be paraded in court asap.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  15th June 2020

      Quite. What the heck are the police doing when a principal has to advise students on how to hide from attacks when they leave school?

      Where is that idiot Muller while these outrages continue?

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      • Corky

         /  15th June 2020

        He’s talking about how whanau is important to him. And climate change…that has to be tackled.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  15th June 2020

        Oh, police are now disappointed about that violence and are investigating. Not sure what it will take to make them alarmed and angry like the parents.

        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12339991

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        • Gezza

           /  15th June 2020

          Time for the new wishy-washy police commissioner to show some gonads & let it be known that putting the ARTs off the agenda is not giving the gangs the go ahead to receruit at & terrorise even the bloody schools.

          Has he got the balls or is he another paper tiger dead loss?

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      • Gezza

         /  15th June 2020

        Where is that idiot Muller while these outrages continue?

        Not just Muller. I want reporters asking for comment from Ardern, Peters, Davidson, & the Maori Party too. How can any party excuse this shit?

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    • Gerrit

       /  15th June 2020

      Been going on for over 60 years this conflict between the Otahuhu College blues team and the reds for De La Salle.

      Otahuhu have equal hatred for neighbours Kings College but cant do much as most pupils from there dont rely on public transport as much as the De La Salle boys do.

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    • Corky

       /  15th June 2020

      When it comes to the crunch, people know who they can rely on…and it’s not the police.

      https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/gun-sales-may-record-coronavirus-riots

      What worries me is many of these first time buyers will be white middleclass folk who have a natural antipathy towards firearms to start with, and no training. That’s a bad space to be in. First, you have to develop a real feel for the gun you are going to use. Second, you really need training to discharge a gun safely.

      I wonder how many of these new gun owners believe black lives matter?

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      • Corky

         /  15th June 2020

        Gremlin in the works. That should have been a stand-alone comment.

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      • It’s equally irrelevant either way. We don’t live in America and don’t have their slack gun laws. What they do has no bearing on what we do.

        Speculating about the new gun owners is pointless. You never will know this unless it’s published, so why waste time over it ?

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        • Corky

           /  15th June 2020

          Human nature. Stretching my knowledge. Wondering if parallels may surface in the future. Wondering what happens if America collapses both economically and socially.
          Wondering if those buying guns live a double life: protesting by day, and drawing their guns at night if they see a black person walking by.

          Learning and mulling over things isn’t a waste of time.

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          • That’s not learning; it’s not stretching your knowledge as you can’t possibly know the answer unless you’re psychic which you claim to be although it lets you down every time when it comes to me.

            You can only learn when there’s something to be learned. Pointless speculation is not learning, it’s wild guessing.

            Learning and wondering are not synonyms.

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            • Corky

               /  15th June 2020

              I’ve just realised how circumspect your thinking is. Almost like someone scared of the light.

              Learn to know your cultural heritage. Learn to paractice those gifts. Learn not to be ignorant.

              ”The Socratic method (also known as method of Elenchus, elenctic method, or Socratic debate), is a form of cooperative argumentative dialogue between individuals, based on asking and answering questions to stimulate critical thinking and to draw out ideas and underlying presuppositions.”

              What if you played this game with yourself?

            • Corky

               /  15th June 2020

              * practice.

            • For starters, a dialogue is by definition a discussion and it’s hard to have it with one person. You may be able to, of course.

              I have read Socrates, which I suspect you haven’t. Don’t quote his supposed words about the young people of his day; it’s a false quotation that he never said.

              Who was his wife, and why and when did he say ‘After the thunder comes the rain?’

              How do you think that the sort of person you insultingly and falsely describe could become an MA Hons (1st Class) or be one of the 32 chosen for Mastermind out of thousands of applicants ? Do you even know know what Honours are ?

              Do you have any idea what a thesis and annotated bibliography are, or the amount of research required for an MA is like ?

              Have you learned as many languages as I have (10), lived in three countries and visited 13 ?

              ‘Learning’ doesn’t mean pointless speculation about things that you can never prove.

          • Duker

             /  15th June 2020

            Protesting by day and drawing a gun by night……ha?
            Majority of homes don’t have a gun..
            Guns are used to kill the gun owner or families, more likely to draw their gun over dispute with neighbour over leaves from a tree on boundary

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    • duperez

       /  15th June 2020

      Yeah, it happens every day outside just about every Auckland school. Who needs
      “fat politically & ethnically correct arses” and major investigations. Let’s just get hysterical.

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      • Corky.

         /  15th June 2020

        What would you suggest be done?

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        • duperez

           /  15th June 2020

          I’d just go with your method, let everyone have a gun. We can’t rely on the police.

          The survivors? Well we just chuck them in jail, that always works. They’ll be off the streets and when they get out they’ll be good to go. Should be plenty of work for them building more prisons.

          This morning after flicking the radio dial I came to a station with Peter Williams on doing talkback. I gave up after about 10 minutes.

          It was like listening to builders and architects complaining, having a bitchfest when buildings they’d designed and constructed didn’t work or were falling down.

          We have constructed a society. It’s all right to lash out when parts of it don’t operate how we want it to. (We could build gated communities, live inside them and not use any news media so we’re don’t have to face the crap aspects about what we’ve created.)

          Some of the lashing out is guilt. The way to solve it is to get a bit of Ruthanasia into us and a bit of serious policing. We mightn’t want cops knocking on our particular doors acting as though it’s a police state but it’s okay if it’s someone else’s door. Maybe when Crusher is installed as leader we’ll get on the right rack.

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        • Corky

           /  15th June 2020

          Translation: I have no solutions..but hey, lets’s not waste an opportunity to put a smug boot into the RIGHT, and people who think like Corky.

          First up. One reason I was a fan of Raptor Squad was it had the possibility to be configured to outbreaks of certain crimes, not necessarily involving lethal force.

          First up, I would reintroduce borstal training. That first step allows something to be done with vicious school age offenders. What’s the use of tackling this problem when all offenders get is a family group conference and some limp wrist sentence.

          School routes and known trouble spots would be policed by plainclothes officers in unmarked cars. Really bad schools will have, IF POSSIBLE, plainclothes officers embedded.

          Any trouble will be shut down quickly using whatever force is necessary. A clear message will be sent to parents, pupils and schools.

          All young offenders will receive a mandatory three months in borstal. Their education will continue inside. Entertainment will be books and crafts. No electronics. Limited TV.

          Parents will be accessed by social workers. Those deemed feral will be warned once.
          Should their child offend once realised from borstal, and they have been remiss with their parenting, they will be arrest and charged.

          That’s the broad outline. Of course some things aren’t straight forward, like accessing parents ability etc.

          But the take home message all would receive is ” zero tolerance.” Regardless of what liberals think. That message would be rammed home time and again.

          Those kids fight and carry on for two reasons:

          1- They have no fear of the law.
          2- They have no fear of consequences.

          Under my system they would learn to fear both.

          Your turn, Duperez? 🤔

          ps ..why didn’t you engage Gezza? He insulted you. I didn’t. Strange world.

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          • Corky

             /  15th June 2020

            ”This morning after flicking the radio dial I came to a station with Peter Williams on doing talkback. I gave up after about 10 minutes.”

            I have told you…stick to NSR.

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          • duperez

             /  15th June 2020

            I apologise for not engaging Gezza. When I read the stuff it was down as far as your comment. He would probably be delighted to be included as part of a ‘job lot’ comment as was intended. I apologise to him.(or her.)

            My suggestion is to leave things as they are. Develop processes to suit the circumstances. Talk to people who know stuff. Trust people charged with doing jobs to do them. Obviously things always need to evolve and be refined through experience, environments and circumstances. Formulate approaches.

            Some like the approaches used on Esther Abrahams or other strategies.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esther_Abrahams
            https://www.newsweek.com/worlds-most-barbaric-punishments-74537

            It’s a fragile world to comment in. Some guy in Christchurch put a video up about cops coming to talk to him about his guns. Apparently he was known to them and had posted things about gun laws and police in social media. What happened was seen by some as the signs of a ‘police state.’ I wouldn’t say the ‘crazies went crazy’ just that there was an emotional response to the police going to talk to him.

            You suggest that secret cops stake out ordinary places in communities, plainclothes officers be embedded through society just in case something happens and there be Raptor Squads “not necessarily involving lethal force.”
            There might be some around who’d judge those approaches as being indications of a police state.

            Do you ever ring Peter Williams? He’d welcome your views.

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            • Corky

               /  15th June 2020

              ”My suggestion is to leave things as they are. Develop processes to suit the circumstances. Talk to people who know stuff. Trust people charged with doing jobs to do them. Obviously things always need to evolve and be refined through experience, environments and circumstances. Formulate approaches.”

              Yes, but what?You sound like a Labour Party Policy analyst.😨

              More piss taking, but not so funny this time..someone may have been killed.

      • Gezza

         /  15th June 2020

        Sorry if I woke you up. Please, ignore the gang thuggery component & the stabbing & just go back to sleep.

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  9. Corky

     /  15th June 2020

    Any competent National Party would wipe the floor with this lot. Some unbelievable choices have been made by Jacinda. One thing has been confirmed: Labour doesn’t pick ministers on talent.

    Meanwhile, Andrew Little has apologized for his white privilege. Lol Lol Lol!!

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12339921

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    • Gezza

       /  15th June 2020

      “The highest-ranking MP without an electorate is Andrew Little – he has been placed at number seven.”

      He has to be. He hasn’t ever been able to win an electorate seat.

      Phil Twyford has been moved up a place, and is at number four – he was number five before the 2017 election.

      Christ! 🙄 Ardern’s hopeless at assessing talent:

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  10. MaureenW

     /  15th June 2020

    Talking Cancel Culture, when is peak stupid being cancelled?

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  11. Gezza

     /  15th June 2020


    Former National government minister Steven Joyce has been awarded costs of nearly $269,000, after winning a defamation case last year against NBR publisher Fourth Estate Holdings Ltd, and its owner Todd Scott.

    “High Court Justice Pheroze Jagose released his decision following a defamation trial centred on a column written by commentator Matthew Hooton, and tweets about it from Scott. Written in March 2018, the article was critical of Joyce’s time in government.

    Hooton issued an apology as part of a legal settlement with Joyce. But NBR and Fourth Estate Holdings Ltd continued to defend against defamation claims from Joyce.

    Joyce did not make a claim for damages, so none were awarded, but Justice Jagose has awarded Joyce costs against Fourth Estate and Scott.”
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/121832280/steven-joyce-awarded-269000-in-costs-after-suing-nbr

    Guess it wasn’t “pretty legal”.

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  12. Pink David

     /  15th June 2020

    It appears being left wing protects you from Covid.

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  13. lurcher1948

     /  15th June 2020

    So my rescued farm breed tri coloured heading dog JESS hasn’t forgotten how to weave after months(hard for a dog as its not natural), SHES A GOOD GIRL
    https://scontent.fpmr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/103416429_10217192043689261_940753873177027701_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=b9115d&_nc_ohc=THXBYDiHKjcAX_-cXN3&_nc_ht=scontent.fpmr1-1.fna&oh=6bebb8f2a1acfcb9f57a432f9d9876de&oe=5F0B1605

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  14. Gezza

     /  15th June 2020


    Black Lives Matter protest organiser Guled Mire said people using the “All Lives Matter” slogan needed to be called out.

    Wrong !


    Race Relations Commissioner Meng Foon says the “All Lives Matter” slogan is provocative.

    Wrong !

    The fact is, they DO ! That Mire & others want to claim this statement has been used by white supremacists to suggest that black or brown lives don’t matter, so it mustn’t be said or used is bullshit.

    That Meng Foon can come out with:
    “The statement is politically loaded and has been used to justify ignoring racial disparities, such as the over-representation of African American communities in police shootings.” to also suggest it shouldn’t be said is a bloody disgrace. BLM is every bit as politically loaded when it gets used in this country, including by him. Race relations concilitation doesn’t start by blaming Pakeha for every non-Pakeha’s grizzles.

    I think the last decent RRC we had was probably Hiwi Tauroa.

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