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  1. lurcher1948

     /  18th June 2020

    So the righties are leaping with joy,PM Ardern must resign they crowThe fish rots from the head they say,due to the two moble covid-19 cases well righties you have one big problem,Mr Muller,who isn’t setting the world on fire being catholic and is very conservative and wants overseas students to flood back in.Jacinda should call a snap election and stir up all the posters on nearby rightwing blogs,she would be a shoe in.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  18th June 2020

      Be happy Lurch. The sainted one proves she has teeth.

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      • Not just two, Lurch. Don’t you watch the news ?

        Some did a runner in Hamilton, others turned up at a funeral…it does on and on.

        The students will be in strict quarantine in hotels. Do try to keep up. It’s been on the news. Queenstown is a probable place as so many hotels are empty. They won’t be flooding in

        Jacinda is making NZ and our much-vaunted covid system a laughing-stock. She took the praise, she must take the blame when it’s shown to be a ballsup.

        What on earth do you think that ‘shoe in’ means ? It’s meaningless. You must mean a shoo-in.

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  2. John J Harrison

     /  18th June 2020

    Lurch, you appear to have gotten out of bed on the wrong side this morning.
    What a rant !
    We have been told for the last month that NZ has the most secure border in the world.
    That has now been shown to be nothing but a load of BS — and your hero hates being shown that she has no clothes.
    Our team of 5 million have borrowed $50 Billion to save our economy with many businesses going broke and 10’s thousands going on the dole.
    At least a further 100,000 will suffer the same fate prior to Christmas.
    To top it off we are rapidly heading into a depression , worse than that of the 1930’s.
    And all you can do by way of comment is to belittle those who are suffering and those about to.
    Pathetic !

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    • Gezza

       /  18th June 2020

      You must be relatively new to viewing this site if you think Lurch’s rant is noteworthy. That’s a relatively tame effort on his part. The bulk of his efforts apparently don’t even make it thru the gate.

      He’s right about one thing though. Muller & those of his team who’ve been calling for more open borders now need to back-pedal fast as it’s clear our Health Ministry officials responsible for managing quarantinees would have ensured a disastrous 2nd round of Covid-19 outbreaks.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  18th June 2020

        Thanks for the kind words of support Gezza one takes them from any source,you can…put in a good word to PG for me
        Ps must be pretty bleak in Tawa today

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        • Gezza

           /  18th June 2020

          Yep, been raining solidy since last night and still doing so, neighbour. The stream’s in full flood flow. No sign of me pooks & the Eel Spot’s well underwater.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  18th June 2020

            Snuck in a dog walk here before the drizzle turned into solid rain. Holed up with my coffee with a light amidst the gloom.

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            • It’s done it in reverse here.

              I am feeling ghastly and didn’t crawl out of bed till midday.

              But I still fed the birds. Ciabatta, breadcubes and apple. I can’t disappoint them; they stand with their beaks pursed and wings on their hips, tapping their claws and saying ‘Where IS it ????’ The ciabatta was well received.

            • 20mm in the gauge, less than I thought as some was there before. It peed down this morning.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  18th June 2020

              Ours cleared up about 2pm with some sun. Got out to the cabins with my wire but still no joy getting thru the pipe. Have a target area to dig for the blockage having tracked it from both ends.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  18th June 2020

        The borders need to be managed properly. That may well mean opening them to selected countries while strictly quarantining others.

        A shame National doesn’t have a leader capable of proper leadership so we have Labour’s bewildered mob by default.

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        • Patzcuaro

           /  18th June 2020

          Cometh the hour, cometh the man. Is it too late for you to offer your services to the National Party as their saviour?

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  18th June 2020

            Never been a member, Patz. I’m afraid they are on their own and probably too cautious for their own good.

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  3. Patzcuaro

     /  18th June 2020

    It looks like advance copies of John Bolton’s book are circulating. Set to be published on the 23rd June.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53086042

    This will be followed up by Trump’s niece, Mary Trumps book which will be published late July coming out of the same publishing house.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/16/mary-trump-book-too-much-never-enough-trauma-neglect-abuse-family-details

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  18th June 2020

      Another day, another round of anti-Trump media coverage, Patz.

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  18th June 2020

        Just trying to maintain some balance.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  18th June 2020

          Unintentionally ambiguous, Patz. I meant that every day MSM coverage is anti-Trump, not that you post it every day. Though perhaps you do?

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  4. Gezza

     /  18th June 2020

    More fun from the Trump Circus

    “Former National Security Adviser John Bolton alleges in his book that US President Donald Trump supported China’s building of camps for Uighur Muslims [File: Leah Millis/Reuters]

    President Donald Trump’s former National Security Adviser John Bolton writes in his upcoming memoir that Trump sought Chinese President Xi Jinping’s help in winning re-election during a closed-door meeting in June 2019, according to a report in the New York Times on Wednesday.

    Trump reportedly asked the Chinese leader during trade negotiations at a summit in Osaka, Japan to buy more agricultural products in order to help him win farm states in the November general election.

    “He stressed the importance of farmers and increased Chinese purchases of soybeans and wheat in the electoral outcome,” Bolton wrote.

    The book, The Room Where it Happened: A White House Memoir, is due to be published on June 23, but the Trump administration has sued to block its distribution, claiming that it contains classified information and would compromise national security.

    Publication of the book “would cause irreparable harm, because the disclosure of instances of classified information in the manuscript reasonably could be expected to cause serious damage, or exceptionally grave damage, to the national security of the United States,” according to the lawsuit.

    Both the Times and the Washington Post obtained advance copies.

    The Post said in the same meeting with Xi, the Chinese leader defended the building of camps holding up to a million Uighur Muslims. “According to our interpreter,” Bolton wrote, “Trump said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which Trump thought was exactly the right thing to do,” the Post reported.

    Bolton resigned in September 2019 after roughly 17 months as national security adviser. Trump, however, claims he fired him after the two clashed over policy towards North Korea, Iran, Ukraine and the Taliban in Afghanistan.

    Publisher Simon and Schuster said the lawsuit is an attempt by the Trump administration to stop “publication of a book it deems unflattering to the President”. It said Bolton has fully cooperated with the National Security Council pre-publication review.

    In the book, according to the Times, Bolton described several episodes when the president expressed willingness to halt criminal investigations “to, in effect, give personal favours to dictators he liked”. The investigations in question are said to involve Turkey’s Halkbank to curry favour with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey or China’s ZTE to favour Xi.

    “The pattern looked like obstruction of justice as a way of life,” Bolton wrote.

    Among the other accusations levelled by Bolton according to the Times:

    Intelligence briefings with the president were a waste of time “since much of the time was spent listening to Trump, rather than Trump listening to the briefers,” Bolton alleges.

    Trump explicitly linked aid to Ukraine to investigations there involving his presumed rival in November, Democrat Joe Biden. Trump “said he wasn’t in favour of sending them anything until all the Russia-investigation materials related to Clinton and Biden had been turned over,” Bolton says.

    During one meeting, Trump seemed surprised to learn that the United Kingdom was a nuclear power and asked whether Finland was part of Russia.

    The Times describes the book overall as “a withering portrait of a president ignorant of even basic facts about the world, susceptible to transparent flattery by authoritarian leaders manipulating him and prone to false statements, foul-mouthed eruptions and snap decisions that aides try to manage or reverse.”

    SOURCE: AL JAZEERA AND NEWS AGENCIES

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  18th June 2020

      You are guilty of posting anti Trump media coverage.

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    • Pink David

       /  18th June 2020

      “He stressed the importance of farmers and increased Chinese purchases of soybeans and wheat in the electoral outcome,”

      This is truly damning. Speaking up for American farmers in international trade negotiation is shocking beyond believe. Not only Americans, but Americans who vote for Donald Trump! The deplorable’s no less.

      Treason I say!

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  18th June 2020

        Hilarious really. The Left greeted Bolton’s appointment with howls of outrage and predictions of imminent war with everyone and now Bolton is their hero and Trump negotiating instead of fighting is disgraceful.

        What a shower.

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        • Bolton is no hero of mine. He had his opportunity to become “Honest John” when he was invited to testify during the impeachment inquiry. He declined.

          Everything then and since was motivated by money. Bolton may be an author – albeit bloated with self-importance – but he’s no patriot.

          Just another facilitator of Trump’s federal crime spree.

          I’m more concerned about the Trumpagandists who think that it’s ok for Trump to endorse China’s concentration camps, or to execute journalists who criticise him. That’s the bigger issue than a piss-weak closet-fascist like Bolton.

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          • Pink David

             /  18th June 2020

            “I’m more concerned about the Trumpagandists who think that it’s ok for Trump to endorse China’s concentration camps, or to execute journalists who criticise him. That’s the bigger issue than a piss-weak closet-fascist like Bolton.”

            The hilarious thing is that you think this is credible.

            “Trump said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which Trump thought was exactly the right thing to do,”

            Really? Trump has been strongly challenging China from the start of his Presidency and somehow you believe this little annotate?

            Let’s see the left wing activities protesting enmass outside Chinese embassies around the world, demanding companies boycott China and putting pressure on sports stars to boycott China before I buy a word of this.

            Just look at your triumphant post yesterday. Not on China. It was on getting a news business you did not agree with losing their income because of the work of another, competing news business.

            Very Chinese.

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  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  18th June 2020

    Reddell takes Muller apart:
    https://croakingcassandra.com/2020/06/16/me-too/
    (Stole my #metoo line as well.)

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  18th June 2020

    How do you think i feel folks when i say i respect PG, and it is moderated and never appears, BUT someone posts, UNMODERATED, i hope tooth fairy dies AND THE KNUCKLEDRAGGERS APPLAUSE,,I KNOW HOW BLM feel, i feel down, PG runs a good blog, but I’m a freak, and it would be good to be able to respond, to haters like Corky
    PG i feel worn down, moderation is winning

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  18th June 2020

      Lurch, if you would just divert your hatreds and invective to things (actions, ideas) instead of people you would find much less resistence to publication.

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    • Corky

       /  18th June 2020

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  7. Patzcuaro

     /  18th June 2020

    Republican Party are playing wack a mole, having managed to get of Rep Steve King (R-Iowa) deselected after years of racist remarks up pops Marjorie Taylor Greene who is running to be the Republican candidate for Georgia’s 14th district.

    “The House’s highest-ranking Republicans are racing to distance themselves from a leading GOP congressional candidate in Georgia after POLITICO uncovered hours of Facebook videos in which she expresses racist, Islamophobic and anti-Semitic views.”

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  18th June 2020

    SHIT HITS THE FAN, Chris Bishop NATIONALHUTT MP wanted the 2 COVt-19 ladies to leave Quarantine, SO NATIONAL CAUSED THIS FUCKUP, good one Chris Bishop, stick to chatting up young girls online on social media….a worry

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    • Gerrit

       /  18th June 2020

      Advocating for members of ones constituency is a long way away from asking the Ministry and/or Minister of Health to grant favourite treatment and break protocals. It is a far stretch to think a National MP would be granted favours from the establishment hell bent on command and control of the populace.

      “Mr Bishop’s advocacy for those people did not infer that unsafe practices should be followed,” Woodhouse said. ”

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/121874465/claims-in-parliament-national-mp-lobbied-for-leave-for-sisters-who-have-covid19

      Still if it gives Lurcher a “gotcha” moment, it has probably made his day.

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      • Gezza

         /  18th June 2020

        Well the fun part for me is Maggy’s post earlier today saying claims wwre being made on Kiwiblog that these two women were somehow connected to someone with political clout. The implication obviously being someone in the coalition. I’m waiting to hear what they’re saying now.

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        • Gerrit

           /  18th June 2020

          Does Bishop have political clout in the COL? He will be surprised I would think if anyone in the COL took a blind bit of notice from him.

          He may have asked, but did he receive and if so by whom?

          This has more legs than a centipede.

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          • Gezza

             /  18th June 2020

            It’s got no legs at the moment. More like egg on someone’s face.

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  9. This is on par for the nasty right. Up there alongside photoshopping images to support their false claims about BLM.

    Fox News’ official position – IN FEDERAL COURT – is that Tucker Carlson lies on air and his viewers know it.

    “Tucker Carlson doesn’t have an obligation to investigate the truth of statements before making them on his show and his audience doesn’t expect him to report facts a lawyer for Fox News told a New York federal judge on Wednesday.”

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/fox-news-defends-tucker-carlson-karen-mcdougal-slander-suit-1298999

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  18th June 2020

      It’s pretty standard practice for interviewers to put propositions to their subjects that may or may not be true.

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