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  1. lurcher1948

     /  19th June 2020

    The two covid-19 sisters are residing in the Hutt valley at the moment,I feel Mr Bishop the National party go to person for covid-19 suffers,could tell us the area so we oldies can avoid going anywhere near it

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    • Gezza

       /  19th June 2020

      You need to ask Ashley Bloomfield for that information, neighbour. Or maybe Mike Bush? They’re the ones responsible for managing quarantinees.

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      • You can’t catch it from just being in the area or even the street.

        If it was that easy to catch, everyone on the plane would have it.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  19th June 2020

      The National Party thinks they are fit to rule.Woodhouse for political points,put NZs at risk from Covid-19 to score points and was Mr Bishop in on the plan?????
      https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2020/06/19/must-read-snakes-and-mirrors-national-sat-on-covid-19-infection-information-for-hours-before-dropping-political-bombshell-in-parliament/
      National,SHAME SHAME….

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      • No, it wasn’t National who let two women with covid go out with nothing more than ‘Are you okay?’ by way of a test. That was because Labour stuffed up

        Please do not defame Chris Bishop who has been shown to have done nothing more than forward an email to the appropriate people. That really is defamation to say that he had anything to do with the stuff-up.He sent on an email; he couldn’t know that the women had covid and were released untested to risk spreading it. Even if he’d wanted to, he couldn’t have made this happen. Nor could any National MP. The blame is 100% Labour’s for their incompetence which could have had deadly consequences.

        The ‘bombshell’ was released at the appropriate time and place and only after it was verified. If it was a bombshell, it was one because some fool allowed these two women to leave untested. It was not malicious gossip, it was something that needed to be said.

        How is Labour and the MoH’s ballsup National’s shame ? They are not the ones who made tests voluntary and let these women (one of whom was obviously ill) go out completely unchecked.

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        • Duker

           /  19th June 2020

          How is putting down a question in morning for oral answer and then waiting till later in the afternoon ‘proper’
          Verified is rubbish , Bishop was at the heart of the family’s travails , so was doing much more than ‘assisting’ an otherwise unknown constituent.
          I wonder if the email chain will reveal Bishop do much much more than just ‘forward an email to the right people’

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          • Missing the point again.

            What email chain ? Do you know these women and Chris Bishop and know something that no one else does…because it’s a fantasy ?

            The ‘bombshell’ was the melodramatic term used for the revelation that the two women had had contact with people on their journey; one of them contacted Michael Woodhouse who verified this and asked justified questions in a totally undramatic way. Should he have kept quiet and risked these women’s unsuspecting contacts so as to save Labour’s face ?

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      • Trevors_elbow

         /  19th June 2020

        Dont be silly… Labours MOH staffers knew.. they just lied to the NZ Public… so someone with a conscience leaked to National..

        No danger except from Labours totally incompetent handling of the whole process

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        • In the case of the contacts along the way, one of them made this known. But people must have known that an ill person was sent on her way without a test beyond a casual question !!!

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  2. Gezza

     /  19th June 2020

    Stuff’s Thomas Coughlan praises Simon Bridges and does a poorly argued partisan hatchet job on David Clark.

    He also identifies who else’s heads should be on the block:

    Ashley Bloomfield, John Ombler – responsible for coordinating the whole of government response, & Mike Bush – as he’s the one responsible for management of the quarantine facilities.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/300037837/heads-have-to-roll-over-border-catastrophe-but-whose-head-should-it-be

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  3. Gezza

     /  19th June 2020

    If you live on an East coast of NZ don’t buy or eat any currants today.

    Some coast areas may experience strong currants and unpredictable surges.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300037999/74-magnitude-earthquake-overnight-felt-across-new-zealand

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    • NOEL

       /  19th June 2020

      Took a few seconds to remember what woke me up. So it was a real not a dream.

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    • When someone in the ACT office made a typo about welfare in its currant state being a failure, I sent it to Metro’s stuff-ups section.

      They printed it with the inspired headline ‘And they wouldn’t even consider raisin taxes.’

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  4. Patzcuaro

     /  19th June 2020

    It is official, Fox News lawyers admit audience doesn’t expect to hear the truth.

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    • Gezza

       /  19th June 2020

      Damn straight Joe

      “He’s tellin’ us this, tellin’ us that – says it doesn’t matter…”

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  19th June 2020

        This brings back some memories of a great time to be alive

        The year Jo Walsh was running for president …and none bothered to tell him!

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    • David

       /  19th June 2020

      His is an opinion show, have you ever watched any of the opinion shows on cable TV. Carlson has worked at CNN, MSNBC etc. and now he is at Fox he is the devil. His opinion on trade is the same as James Shaws, his immigration stance is the same as our current administration, like Ardern he wants to regulate big tech and he is no Trump sycophant.

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    • Pink David

       /  19th June 2020

      This is any different to any of the other ‘news’ hosts. All of them operate this way.

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  5. John J Harrison

     /  19th June 2020

    This week marks the beginning of the end for [Deleted, use correct names, not derogatory nicknames].
    Increasingly voters are seeing the gross misrepresentations from our leaders with Jacinda stating that there will be no “ witch hunt “ for those who have ignored protocols in protecting our country.
    No one has asked for a “ witch hunt “ , simply accountability— something the [deleted] knows nothing about.
    Our economy is now on it’s knees and will officially go into a depression once the 2nd quarter numbers are released in September.
    We are now 5 times worse off than Australia, as confirmed by our GDP numbers.
    Little wonder when their government is headed by people who have successfully run businesses while ours is comprised of ex union officials and ex civil servants plus [deleted].
    At last the silent majority are having the scales lifted from their eyes.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  19th June 2020

      The fish and chip server is the PM and is in the top job so shes far better than you,and your cheap shot,Mr Harrison,but National would be proud of the post.

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      • I take it that you don’t read the paper or watch the news, Lurch.

        She has ruined the economy, decided that her instinct to lockdown NZ for 2 months and put tens of thousands out of work, increase mental health problems and domestic violence, borrow tens of billions and put us in recession was better than the ‘science and evidence’ which could have saved all this.

        Not to mention the current fiasco……

        National would be dying of collective shame if their PM had done that.

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  6. Griff.

     /  19th June 2020

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  7. Gezza

     /  19th June 2020

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  8. Pink David

     /  19th June 2020

    Peter Hitchen’s ‘chased’ by a mob of BLM protesters from Oxford Uni, Staying Alive remix….

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  9. Pink David

     /  19th June 2020

    The BLM mask slowly slips….

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  10. Pink David

     /  19th June 2020

    This is great news. Australia has taken the very interesting step towards ‘de-woking’ it’s universities.

    “The cost of studying humanities at university is set to double, but “job-relevant” course fees will be slashed under an overhaul of tertiary education to be announced by the Federal Government today.”

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-19/university-fees-tertiary-education-overhaul-course-costs/12367742

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    • How to create a generation of philistines.

      Will bookshops be doubling the cost of books not related to work ?

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      • Pink David

         /  19th June 2020

        You very clearly have no idea what the humanities in a modern university teaches.

        Mostly, they get taught everything about western culture is bad, and must be torn down and burned.

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        • Groan, it was heading that way when I was there. Waikato is painfully PC and its standards of education seem to have slipped badly.

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  11. Corky

     /  19th June 2020

    I see an armed incident in West Auckland developed exactly as I predicted a few weeks back when debating arming the police. The blood of these officers is on the hands of the Police Commissioner and the government. Both need the boot… the sooner the better.

    70% of officers want to be armed at all times…what is the fugging hold up?

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/09/police-carrying-guns-at-all-times-may-be-inevitable-police-association.html

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    • Conspiratoor

       /  19th June 2020

      Watch our gutless politicians run for cover

      I was pulled over by a cop in Nevada for failing to stop, actually I was looking for a safe place to pull over. In the first few seconds of the encounter he made it very clear he only wanted one thing, and that was to see both hands on the wheel. The unholstered gun reinforced the message

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      • Corky

         /  19th June 2020

        Nothing like cold steel to clear the sinuses and cure constipation.

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        • Nothing like not knowing that ‘cold steel’ means blades, not guns.

          Nothing like repeating dodgy, generalised ‘predictions’, safe in the knowledge that no one will know whether these were made or not….or care.

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    • duperez

       /  19th June 2020

      The hold up is that most people in New Zealand don’t think that in every routine stopping of a vehicle at least two cops should approach the vehicle, weapons in hand, ready to use, just in case.

      Is the blood more on the hands of those who didn’t put high octane in and high traction tyres on the vehicle now at the bottom of the cliff or those who pushed it over the cliff?

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      • Corky

         /  19th June 2020

        The facts are police are tasked with stopping and approaching vehicles – not the general public. Most police want to be armed if my article is correct. What’s the problem?

        ”Is the blood more on the hands of those who didn’t put high octane in and high traction tires on the vehicle now at the bottom of the cliff or those who pushed it over the cliff?”

        I wouldn’t have a clue. Maybe if we concentrate on what’s before us; get that under control, then we can muse on political and public views regarding this situation.

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        • ‘I wouldn’t have a clue.’

          You said it. Finally.

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        • duperez

           /  19th June 2020

          Yes, maybe if we concentrate on what’s before us, deal with tat properly then we might muse on not having to have heavily armed police and everyone in the community being armed.

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          • Corky

             /  19th June 2020

            Utopian dreaming.. not matter what, bad guys will always be with us. You need to understand that, and get with the programme. The problem is people like you who hold similar views are embedded right through our bureaucracy and government. You now see the result – dead cops.

            You and Parti would get on well. Your views are so similar.

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            • One dead cop and it didn’t happen in the incident quoted/predicted by you. That one happened on Saturday and the fatal shooting happened today from the sound of it.

            • duperez

               /  19th June 2020

              Bad guys have always been with us, always will be.

              I don’t apologise for thinking that society doesn’t have to be formed on the basis of us being on a war footing, being fearful and being in permanent survival mode and letting those ones control our existence.

              I should get with the programme? What’s that programme? That to get people to act how you want them to act you threaten them and punish them if they don’t obey or do the wrong thing?

              Some think beating the shit out of people to make them obey and treating them like dogs will make them toe the line – “That’ll learn ’em.” Yeah, they learn to be violent. They learn to act like the scummy dogs they’ve been treated as.

              It’s interesting seeing animals being trained to do what owners want them to do. 99.9999% of training is by way of positive reinforcement. Punishment turns them off, makes them fearful and hesitant, uncertain. In humans it can put them retributive mode.

              And what makes the bad guys the bad guys? Maybe they are the big brave types who really when it gets down to it are gutless, and weak and scared. How did they get to be like that?

              There are some problems to be understood. I don’t think the answer is to have everyone locked inside their citadels with their guns.

          • Conspiratoor

             /  19th June 2020

            Spending the day bashing away at a keyboard enables you to live in a fantasy world my friend. Spend a day with a traffic unit (or better still a night) in South Auckland and you might appreciate what our police have to deal with

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            • Rubbish. I am fully aware of what our police deal with. But most traffic cops are not shot at; we have an extremely low rate of police murders by the public. No, this doesn’t make it any better when one happens. I do not spend all day at the keyboard; an absurd statement.

              Whenever anything like these incidents happen, Corky claims to have predicted it, knowing that no one will bother to ask for proof.

            • Gezza

               /  19th June 2020

              @ Kitty

              If you scrolled up carefully you would have noted that Con is replying to duperez, not you.

            • Gezza

               /  19th June 2020

              Con also has a daughter who is a police officer in Auckland.
              I would ask you to consider how he feels as a parent today.
              Either of those two cops shot today could have been her.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  19th June 2020

    • Their blood is on no one’s hands, as this would mean that they were dead, and they are not.

      Having someone’s blood on your hands means that you were responsible for their death; it can only mean that, just as cold steel can only mean blades (knives, swords, bayonets etc)

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    • Duker

       /  19th June 2020

      “I see an armed incident in West Auckland developed exactly as I predicted a few weeks back when debating arming the police. The blood of these officers is on the hands of the Police Commissioner and the government.”

      It was a routine traffic stop in suburban streets , ( they do them around my suburb as well) police are NOT armed for those , neither would the previous Armed Response group be there. The police would standing on the road stopping each passing car, normally busy short cuts known by locals rather than arterial roads.

      Not its not like you said, but in is a ongoing trend. No blood on anyones hands , just hyperbole on yours , as usual

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      • Corky

         /  19th June 2020

        ”It was a routine traffic stop in suburban streets .”

        Yep, that’s what I wrote…just an ordinary traffic stop.

        Not, it’s not like you said, but it is a ongoing trend. No blood on anyones hands , just hyperbole on yours , as usual.

        ‘An ongoing trend.’ What does that tell you???

        Of course there’s blood on their hands… you are just too liberal to see that. You lot are great at arguing the negative against people like me. But when the shite hits the fan( read: real world) you go to pieces and start posting inanities.

        I can see I need to do more bookmarking.Especially against chronic spinners like yourself.

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        • Duker

           /  19th June 2020

          a single SUV with 4 armed cops makes no difference , as the residents said they saw armed police within minutes.
          Its normal for police to have the rifles in the boot and nearby police responded with those rifles.
          Your inanities are whats expected from a crisis actor like your self….every thing is end of days … armed roving gangs …barricades …blood on hands etc etc.
          You should have your reality show ..Master BS Rules

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        • There was nothing ordinary about this traffic stop, Corks; don’t try to make out that this kind of violence is commonplace. It isn’t.

          Not Master BS Rules, Duker; My BS Rules.

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  12. Corky

     /  19th June 2020

    Sean Plunket deals to the government and the Police Commissioner. Apparently this commissioner went to a a BLM meeting at a church wearing civilian clothes. What a joke. . Resign. The police need a leader; not a handwringer.

    https://www.magic.co.nz/home/news/2020/06/-labour-s-promise-of-an-open-government-is-in-absolute-tatters–.html

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    • lurcher1948

       /  19th June 2020

      Corky how come you didnt add 10″WOKES’ to your comment and whine and moan about the only person who will be on his woke rant show is David Seymour,or total no bodies

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      • You obviously don’t know David Seymour at all, your ideas could not be more unlike what he’s like.

        Come to an ACT meeting and meet him; he’s a lovely friendly bloke and not remotely PC. He doesn’t rant or do any of the things you say he does.

        Has he ever spoken to Sean Plunkett ? Poor him if he has.

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      • Corky

         /  19th June 2020

        My, how things have changed. Can’t wait for the next political poll. I still expect Labour to be in the lead, but things have changed. National now has some sort of chance with a coalition partner. Should National win, I expect your energy payment to be removed..and any other largess this worthless government has given the unproductive. Time we celebrated winners and doers…not whiners and losers like those people who attended BLM protests.
        .

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        • Duker

           /  19th June 2020

          Have you seen the ratings for Plunkett ? Its targetted at 50+ …check
          Most are listening to the Magic Music not old farts talk

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          • Corky

             /  19th June 2020

            Google:

            ”Colmar Brunton Executive Director Chris Vaughan says New Zealand is home to just under one million baby boomers (980,000 or 23% of the population). That’s 21% more than in 2006 and represents 35% of the country’s total household expenditure.”

            http://www.superseniors.msd.govt.nz/about-superseniors/media/key-statistics.html

            Sometimes before trying to get a cheap point in, it might pay to engage your brain.

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            • Duker

               /  19th June 2020

              Yeah right , then why arent more stations and shows aimed at that demographic …apart from funeral insurance and various ‘exercise aids’ for the home bound.
              When I checked the GSK ratings numbers MW dont break out the talk numbers from the music side for obvious reasons, its tiny
              I would say RNZ has the lions share of that demographic you suddenly have interest in, as they bigger cumes than ZB

            • Corky

               /  19th June 2020

              ”Yeah right , then why aren’t more stations and shows aimed at that demographic …apart from funeral insurance and various ‘exercise aids’ for the home bound.”

              You seriously underestimate the power of talkback. That’s why political parties monitor talkback stations.

              However, given the amount of people I have heard who are switching their political alliances, and the performance of this government..wail away. Things are about to become interesting by the looks of it.

            • The power of talkback ? Don’t make me laugh.

              Stu Pid and ‘Big’ Ot roll home from the pub and turn on Radio Redneck…

            • duperez

               /  19th June 2020

              The people calling Plunket to say what’s wrong with the world, are they the ones who created it? This has happened and that has happened and we have a feral underclass and people whose only way of life is to be in gang? The existing social conditions are the result of the way we’ve built our society. We’ve created these monsters and now we’re going to deal to them. Is it a bit like parents who think they’ve done a good job bringing up their kid and find they’ve raised a fiend? Or were the signs there that we were doing a shit of a job? And how about those who could see an inevitability about crap happening down the line but were hushed up? Have you considered we could be witnessing what was promised but it just looks a little different than it was made out to be – the good old ‘trickle down’ effect?

  13. Alan Wilkinson

     /  19th June 2020

    Sad day when an unarmed cop is shot. All lives matter but those who kill wantonly matter least.

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    • gezza

       /  19th June 2020

      Two cops shot, Alan. One dead, one in a serious condition.

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    • Gezza

       /  19th June 2020

      Just watched Commissioner Coster’s press briefing update. The usual irritating array of “not in a position to disclose” most details – but it sounds like they’ve got the two bastards involved & have located the firearm used.

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      • Duker

         /  19th June 2020

        And yet the Herald will be full of details in morning …they just disclose to favoured outlets.
        Police News is a commodity , like the weather and dairy prices and those who often buy get the best deals.
        Ill update you tomorrow with the very details that they wont disclose tonight…. so predictable

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      • They can’t go into details. but catching the murderers already is brilliant work.

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      • It seems that the murderers haven’t been caught, but that it shouldn’t be too long.

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        • 11 years since the last cop killing…

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        • Gezza

           /  19th June 2020

          Watch Coster’s full press update briefing. It’s pretty clear the two “persons of interest” are the likely offenders.

          It is annoying, after watching that briefing, to be seeing 1News – who had a reporter present – continually referring to it being “a routine traffic stop”.

          Coster clarifies in the briefing that the officers spotted a police-recorded “vehicle of interest”. They turned on their lights. The vehicle took off. When they caught up with it, it had crashed. One of the occupants got out & started shooting, hitting the unarmed police, before fleeing & somehow getting into another vehicle.

          That is NOT a “routine traffic stop” to most people.

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    • Gezza

       /  20th June 2020

      Stuff reports: A 24 year old man was arrested late on Friday night, and charged with multiple serious offences including murder, attempted murder and dangerous driving causing injury.

      Earlier on Friday evening, Police Commissioner Coster advised that police were speaking with two “people of interest”, but did not confirm whether those being spoken to were those who shot at police.

      The investigation into the incident is ongoing, and police were not able to rule out the possibility of further charges being laid, Coster said.

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  14. artcroft

     /  19th June 2020

    Very bad news about that cop. But pales into insignificance when you hear that the POTUS run 88 facebook ads which feature an inverted red triangle. The first sentence of each ad was 14 words in length which is also significant. Just wow.

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  15. Corky

     /  19th June 2020

    Just watched the` Commissioner on One News. I’m sorry….the guy needs to go. Do not be surprised if over the next few weeks grumblings of discontent from police rank and file is reported.

    A retired police negotiator interviewed said words to the affect of: ”who would have thought this could have happened at a routine road stop?”

    Well, I did. I will now explain why I previously wrote that scenario so keyboard warriors can learn a thing or two.

    I have 3 members of my family in the Mob; ditto 2 Black Power and one Head Hunter. Everyday gang bangers are criss-crossing Auckland running drugs, collecting debts, committing crime and generally hanging out. Any movement potentially means crossing rival gangs turf. Rival gangs aren’t the only danger.. ethnic Islander gangs and the police add another level of danger to be considered.

    So, many gangs carry weapons at all times. If they stop in a known rival gangs area, and let’s say one banger wants to go into a dairy, his mates will wait in the car with a loaded weapon ready to fire should the need arise. Maybe a middleclass P head needs a reminder about his ticks. A weapon will be produced to scare him. So, you have all these vehicles with loaded weapons just waiting for their unlucky number to come up when they are stopped. Consider the vehicles moving properties. There’s way more chance of a chance police encounter on the roads then a police visit to your house, all things considered.

    I still haven’t got to non gang members who are armed just like the gangs. That’s a lot of guns in cars at any given time in Auckland.

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    • Gezza

       /  19th June 2020

      Yes. I believe this will be correct. And, as I have noted above, from the Commissioner’s press update briefing, the shot officers spotted a recorded “vehicle of interest”, turned on their lights, & it fled, That is not “a routine traffic stop”.

      They were shot when they caught up with it & the murderer got out & opened fire at them, firing multiple shots.

      I am waiting for the reporters to advise what comments Marama Davidson & the Maori Party have made when they were asked for their Party’s reactions.

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    • Corky

       /  19th June 2020

      From Gezza’s post:

      ”Coster clarifies in the briefing that the officers spotted a police-recorded “vehicle of interest”. They turned on their lights. The vehicle took off.”

      That’s a classic example of what I mean. Once you run into trouble on the streets, your options are limited. If you have a gun…??

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